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1. 03:51 AM - My First "Fly-in" (planecrazzzy)
2. 05:00 AM - Best thing next to popcorn (Edward Steuber)
3. 10:37 AM - Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (Ralph Hoover)
4. 10:47 AM - Re: My First "Fly-in" (Ralph Hoover)
5. 11:49 AM - Re: bent ultrastar (Masqqqqqqq@AOL.COM)
6. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! aka SOLO! (Robert Noyer)
7. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! aka SOLO! (robert bean)
8. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! aka SOLO! (Robert Noyer)
9. 04:26 PM - Emergency landing in water (Bill Vincent)
10. 05:13 PM - Re: Emergency landing in water (ElleryWeld@AOL.COM)
11. 05:30 PM - Re: Emergency landing in water (Chris Mallory)
12. 05:34 PM - Re: Emergency landing in water (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
13. 05:38 PM - Re: Emergency landing in water (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
14. 05:56 PM - Re: Emergency landing in water (David Lehman)
15. 05:56 PM - Re: Emergency landing in water (Chris Mallory)
16. 06:00 PM - Re: Emergency landing in water (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
17. 06:03 PM - Re: Emergency landing in water ()
18. 08:18 PM - Site with interesting photos of the month (jerb)
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| Subject: | My First "Fly-in" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
I Flew my plane to a Fly-in today.... The weather was a little "iffy".....
It was a little windy and I flew back in the rain....( light rain...not too light
)
I took some pictures there....The guy has alot of race trucks...and other expensive
toys....
He catered some food in....We had chicken, beans, chips, rolls, pop....I had wings
( Pilot food ) and I brought
my scraps back to Jaz ( my Min Pin ) She didn't fly with me today , but I've got
a good collar for her
( neck & chest collar ) So she WILL be flying in the future....
The Fly-in was about 20 miles away....Not too far , not too close ....
Here's an address where I posted the pictures I took today...
http://frogflyers.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=183
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Best thing next to popcorn |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Pat and all,
I have a little info about the possible reason for the US
Pacific commander not giving supply aid to the Brits during WW2... My
father-in -law was in a B-24 squadron flying from North Africa and later
Fougia, Italy . Whenever they tried to get any US supplied materials
from the Brit supply system -including gasoline- the Brits would charge
Uncle Sam many times over what it was worth. According to him ,the lions
share of supply used by the Brits was US supplied at the time ...May
have had something to do with Lend -Lease...I know it really ticked -off
my father in law because his squadron had given freely to the Brits up
till the time they had tried to get something in return. After that ,no
more sharing.....I do know the Lend-Lease agreements were later
"forgiven"....Seems to be simmering emotions on both sides of the
Atlantic ! ........
The most disturbing outcome of the war for me ...was how our two
leaders gave "big Joe" the Polish nation to appease him after the war.
...That was a disgrace for both England and the US....As you said , we
owe the Poles a huge debt....The stealing of the "enigma" machine by the
Poles is another important feat that is overlooked by history....
Don't read any animosity directed at the British from this
source....After having visited England this spring I have a different
perspective from my previous one....Planning another trip..... at least
my wife is !
Ed in Western NY
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| Subject: | Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Jerb, It is precisely the part you speak of:
"Tip over and fall many times then suddenly all
of a sudden it just comes to you and you ride away, kind of shaky but
staying on it upright."
I only have one Kolb and one body! ha, ha!
"I found that same magic moment occurred when it came near my soloing."
You know that I still feel the feelings of the first time I rode a bike, just like
it was yesterday. And I feel about (excuse this unmanly word) "giddy" about
my first flight, though I have played it over and over in my dreams. I get us
in the morning making airplane sounds, my wife says it sounds more like snoring
and I have to correct her into understanding that these are two-cycle and
sound very much like snoring!
"Just like riding a bike, it all came together all at
once. Like the bike that first day I wasn't ready to ride between
two closely spaced trees on the first day. Like the bike, I found no
problem landing the plane thereafter. "
And you know, I know exactly what your saying. I am becoming again childlike in
this new, yet old interest. But is sure feels good to hear it repeated and stated
with the confidence you fellows state it with. I told my instructor that
it may take me longer than most to get into my own Kolb, but when I am there,
look out. I will fly often and well!
I hope that our brothers in flight are having good weather, great companionship
and healthy planes to fly in. I hope John gets his hot sauces and his stomach
holds up well, but then again, he used to fly helicopters. I hope all the others
are enjoying their trip out and back and would pray for their safe return.
Ohio Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: My First "Fly-in" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
I' matie, I seees that ol Ralph has the signature hat of the pirates life on him.
He must be a member of that roustbout flying club using the one legged, one
eyed, one handed frog as their luckey charm. So's, pass another pint of grog
and tell the crew the capin be up to water skying after lunch in the skiff!
Ohio Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: bent ultrastar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com
For what it's worth, I got away with a successful forced landing in tall hay
by flaring just above the hay, holding off the landing until she stalled and
flopped down with the tail low. Full back stick at landing, and she didn't go
nose over. Didn't even bend the gear, but from the impact i'm surprised at
that.
If it happens again, I'm seriously going to consider pulling the BRS. I
think a chute replacement might be less costly than repairing damage caused
by flipping over.
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| Subject: | Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! |
aka SOLO!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
My first solo in '40:
My instructor, weighing some 231 lbs, announced one Fall day that
"...you oughta take it around by yerself." So he levers his fatness
outa the hopped up J-3 (hopped up to a Big 50 hp from the then-
standard 40), carefully avoiding the ticking prop. "Don't leave the
airport, and try to get 'er down like you've done before, full stall
landing" I climbed into the rear seat, buckled the seat belt (no
shoulder straps then), checked the mags, eyeballed the bouncing gas-
gage-on-a-stick, and advanced the throttle. WOW, the tail came up,
and too-soon I was off the sod and climbing at a very steep angle.
With Mister Grover's 231 lbs missing it was like I had JATO! Easing
off on the stick, less throttle I was quickly at 600'. After the
slight terror of my steep ascent, a great sense of calm came over
me... I was actually alone, still alive, and enjoying the fruits of
my several...and many Dilbert lessons. (The Dilbert here isn't the
present-day goofball...he's the old Navy AvCad who did almost
everything wrong)
OK, enough euphoria. Time "to get 'er down." Checking the windsock,
which hung limp, probably due to my mother's intercession with her
Devine Person, I made the gentle turn towards the same beaten-down
tire tracks in the grass, carb heat on, back on the throttle. Watch
the airspeed. Watch the altimeter, which was then always set for zero
on the grass. Back on the stick. Keep looking ahead and left a bit,
and at the place you hoped to encounter the grass. Back, Baack, back
somemore. Wheeeel landing. Cue the slight shakes.
Mister Grover kinda waddled over, his belt and suspenders (very
careful guy) holding his beer tank against gravity. "Well, Bob, plane
looks useable! Nice wheel landing, but how about the full stall
landing I asked for?" Sir, I had the stick all the way back... Mister
Grover stuck his head into the cockpit and pointed to the front edge
of my seat, where my seat pack parachute had inched forward and
blocked the stick! He laughed, then I laughed. "OK, Bob, do another
without the 'chute." He meant without the 'chute impeding the stick.
That second solo had all the thrills of kissing yer sister.
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! |
aka SOLO!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Nice story Bob.
In the more recent past (1970) I was taking PP lessons at Hawthorne
airport near LAX. Package deal. Somewhat beat up C 150s.
An instructor who was not even close to my wavelength but by the
time I figured that out I was too far into the deal to change matters.
I guess I was a slow learner. I don't remember which landing
it was but I asked him if he had ever had a student bounce more than
I had just done. He informed me that I had set a record.
Somehow I got my license.
I did love flying in the basin though. Santa Paula and its antiques and
homebuilts, an excursion to Kern Valley with my wife that turned out
to be without gas -and a return to Bakersfield through zero slant
visibility
and a gas tank on empty. Going out over the ocean past Pres,
"tricky Dick's" place to avoid San Clemente. Doing my version of
aerobatics off Palos Verdes with Catalina island out the window.
Coming back in to LA over the San Jacinto mts. at night with the lights
spread out in front.
A bit slower pace these days.
-BB do not archive
On 21, May 2006, at 3:46 PM, Robert Noyer wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
>
> My first solo in '40:
>
> My instructor, weighing some 231 lbs, announced one Fall day that
> "...you oughta take it around by yerself." So he levers his fatness
> outa the hopped up J-3 (hopped up to a Big 50 hp from the then-
> standard 40), carefully avoiding the ticking prop. "Don't leave the
> airport, and try to get 'er down like you've done before, full stall
> landing" I climbed into the rear seat, buckled the seat belt (no
> shoulder straps then), checked the mags, eyeballed the bouncing gas-
> gage-on-a-stick, and advanced the throttle. WOW, the tail came up,
> and too-soon I was off the sod and climbing at a very steep angle.
> With Mister Grover's 231 lbs missing it was like I had JATO! Easing
> off on the stick, less throttle I was quickly at 600'. After the
> slight terror of my steep ascent, a great sense of calm came over
> me... I was actually alone, still alive, and enjoying the fruits of
> my several...and many Dilbert lessons. (The Dilbert here isn't the
> present-day goofball...he's the old Navy AvCad who did almost
> everything wrong)
>
> OK, enough euphoria. Time "to get 'er down." Checking the windsock,
> which hung limp, probably due to my mother's intercession with her
> Devine Person, I made the gentle turn towards the same beaten-down
> tire tracks in the grass, carb heat on, back on the throttle. Watch
> the airspeed. Watch the altimeter, which was then always set for zero
> on the grass. Back on the stick. Keep looking ahead and left a bit,
> and at the place you hoped to encounter the grass. Back, Baack, back
> somemore. Wheeeel landing. Cue the slight shakes.
>
> Mister Grover kinda waddled over, his belt and suspenders (very
> careful guy) holding his beer tank against gravity. "Well, Bob, plane
> looks useable! Nice wheel landing, but how about the full stall
> landing I asked for?" Sir, I had the stick all the way back... Mister
> Grover stuck his head into the cockpit and pointed to the front edge
> of my seat, where my seat pack parachute had inched forward and
> blocked the stick! He laughed, then I laughed. "OK, Bob, do another
> without the 'chute." He meant without the 'chute impeding the stick.
> That second solo had all the thrills of kissing yer sister.
>
>
> regards,
> Bob N.
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! |
aka SOLO!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
yeah, Bob,
Had many delightful hrs In The LA Basin, '67-69, based at VNY.
Landing at Catalina Is. brought me back to Navy days. Used to take
guests up to Santa Ynez and rent-a-wreck for $5 to go 4 mi. to
Solvang for Danish "culture." Landed at Barstow in July, oiled
gravel strip. Dang near didn't get off with pax and couple suitcases.
Strip felt like a water bed.
Had to file IFR with Burbank to depart VNY when smog around. " Climb
to 4000 over VNY, report VFR if able, Cancel IFR" and there was
usually the top of the smog layer.
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Gang
If I remember correctly, a few of you on the list have had engine
failures and had to land in the water.
At times the only open area I fly above is water; what is the proper
procedure for an engine out landing in water with a Firestar II?
Do I unbuckle my seat beat? Should I get the plane a few inches above
the water then stall it in? Does it want to turn upside down when the
front wheels hit the water?
Thank you in advance
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Bill
Install floats First land second
If I was flying over water all the time and that nervous of a engine
out I would replace the wheels with Floats
I got a second set of floats if your interested
Ellery in firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
Ellery,
Do you have any pictures of a Firestar on floats.
If you do would you please post then on or off list.
Thanks
Chris Mallory
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I think all I have for pictures of a firestar on floats might be one in my
shop I will look around and see if I can come up with something for you to look
at
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
these are not to good but it gives you an idea
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Look here at Steve Boetto's beautiful Firefly on floats, it's the
inspiration for my Firestar on floats...
http://www.skyshops.org/FLOATSHOME/floats%20kob%20firefly.htm
David
On 5/21/06, ElleryWeld@aol.com <ElleryWeld@aol.com> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
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> these are not to good but it gives you an idea
>
> Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
Thanks
Chris Mallory
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----- Original Message -----
From: <ElleryWeld@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Emergency landing in water
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
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> I think all I have for pictures of a firestar on floats might be one in my
> shop I will look around and see if I can come up with something for you
> to look
> at
>
> Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Yea I have seen Steve Boettos firefly on floats
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Are there not some floatplane instructors in your area with whom you could
consult?
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-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Emergency landing in water
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
>
> Hi Gang
> If I remember correctly, a few of you on the list have had engine
> failures and had to land in the water.
> At times the only open area I fly above is water; what is the proper
> procedure for an engine out landing in water with a Firestar II?
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| Subject: | Site with interesting photos of the month |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Here's a site with some interesting photos.
jerb
http://www.eaa724.org/PhotoOfMonth.html
http://www.eaa724.org/Resources/HandPropPhoto.html
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