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1. 07:16 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: MV 2006 (willuribe@aol.com)
2. 07:19 AM - MV Initial Report (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
3. 08:22 AM - Re: Emergency landing in water (George Myers)
4. 08:23 AM - Re: Best thing next to popcorn (pat ladd)
5. 08:35 AM - Re: MV Initial Report (George E. Thompson)
6. 08:54 AM - Re: WWII story (pat ladd)
7. 09:54 AM - Miss B FOR SALE website (Bob Brocious)
8. 12:17 PM - Matronics BBS Forums (Matt Dralle)
9. 05:06 PM - test (Robert Noyer)
10. 06:34 PM - Re: test (Terry)
11. 08:07 PM - Re: Emergency landing in water (Bill Peterson)
12. 08:10 PM - Re: Emergency landing in water (Masqqqqqqq@aol.com)
13. 09:27 PM - Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (R. Hankins)
14. 10:02 PM - Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (possums)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: MV 2006 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: willuribe@aol.com
Greetings everyone,
Departed MV on Sunday and got as far as Grants, NM. Today it is raining so it looks
like I will be here another night. FireStar is running good.
Regards,
Will Uribe
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| Subject: | MV Initial Report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gherkins Tim-rp3420" <rp3420@freescale.com>
Uncle Craig and I just returned from Monument Valley fly-in, and let me
tell you what a turn out! There had to have been 15 to 20 planes tied
down on the flight line. Two Ch701's, Rans Ariale, Sky raider, Drifter,
Cesnna 175 and about 12 Kolbs. Weather was good, bit gusty on thur
night, friday afternoon we got a good 45 minute rain to cool things
down. We left saturday late morning, when the winds started to pick up.
People came from everywhere including North Dakota, Alabama, Texas, New
Mexico, Utah, Oregon, California and Arizona. Can't post photos now,
but as more Kolbers get home, I'm sure photo's will be posted very soon.
Tim
FSII
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Myers" <gmyers@grandecom.net>
The following is from the archives:
Unbuckling your harness before you hit might be a bit uncomfortable, but
then again it depends on which window your body is ejected through.
But, if you're forced to make a water landing, here are some things to keep
in mind.
The trick is not to panic and no - I not telling you do die calmly.
And that is probably the most least-likely-to-be-followed advice you'll
ever been given.
1. Take a deep breath before you hit, you'll be under water very soon, and
won't be coming back up for at least a few seconds. It helps to count, you
know, " 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, etc. It's nice to know how long
you're really under, it might seem a lot longer than it really is.
2. Don't try for shallow water (of course, your in the "Channel" - so I
suppose that won't be a problem). When the wheels grab, the nose will
dolphin, just like Flipper, and dive about 6 feet before the wings stop the
momentum of the plane. Actually it's a rush; kind of like being hit by an
airbag in a car. It only takes a second to go from 40 mph to 0. Don't know
how many Gs that is. It also only takes a second for the cockpit to
completely fill with water.
3. The worst part is that it feels like the plane is sinking, it's not.
You're only a few feet under water, and the plane is actually slowly coming
up.
4. The rest is pretty simple, unbuckle your harness, leave your helmet on
but pull the wires loose from the radios, etc. Not having anything to
judge this against, I supposed I was doing rather well until the shoulder
harness tangled in my helmet/earphones. Just a noted this, because I could
not remember how to unbuckle my helmet. Had to pull it off from the back -
over my head. Perhaps it was the oxygen deprivation, but I was rather lost
in my own little world for a while - about 10 seconds, I think.
5. If you have a full enclosure, it probably will still be locked, so
unlock it or kick it out. By this time the plane will be floating, but you
will still be under water.
6. Now just climb out onto the wings and wave down someone to pick you up,
you've got about 10 minutes before the plane sinks. I was in a FireStar,
and yours may act completely different. We've had a two-seater like yours
go in since my adventure. It touched one wheel down and did kind of a
half-turn and proceed to sink, neither of us flipped over.
>At times the only open area I fly above is water; what is the proper
>procedure for an engine out landing in water with a Firestar II?
>Do I unbuckle my seat beat? Should I get the plane a few inches above
>the water then stall it in? Does it want to turn upside down when the
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| Subject: | Re: Best thing next to popcorn |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
possible reason for the US Pacific commander not giving supply aid to the
Brits during WW2.>>
Sorry this is going to the whole list but you didnt include your address.
Other lists which I am on respond to `Reply` by sending the reply to the
sender NOT to the whole list. If you want to include the whole list then it
must be c.c A better system I think.
Hi Edward,
thats interesting. Not heard it before. Perhaps it was because we didn`t
have much to start with. The Lend Lease programme was an incredible gesture
but in spite of that there were niggles, on both sides no doubt. The one
which usually comes up is the trade you made by letting us have 13
superannuated destroyers that would only just float and took in return all
our holdings, bases etc in the Carribean. This at a time when we were
losing thousands of tons of shipping ( and crews) to the U boats every
month. Tough business.
You seem to have quite a sprinkling of Brit hating Commanders. The guy who
controlled your coastal shipping refused to adopt the convoy system for
months because we suggested it. There was no way any Brit was going to tell
him how to run things.! This of course cost many lives (yours) which is a
high price to pay just from spite.
Another great gesture was the Marshall Plan. This was set up to get Europe
back on its feet at the end of the war. Unfortunately England which had been
knocked about by bombers in the early days and by doodlebugs and V2`s
towards the end of the war was excluded. The upshot was that we, with our
production entirely centred on war material and with old repaired machinery
and buildings left over from 6 years of war found ouselves in competition
with brand new factories and machinery in Europe all supplied by the US.
Made our recovery from the war long and hard. We still had sweet rationing 6
years after the war and food rationing went on for several years after the
end of hostilities.
I have a friend who was in Germany during the Allies advance. In the area in
which he worked there was a rebellion of the German workers because the
Russians were taking all the machinery from their factories. My friend
contacted his HQ for instructions and was told `Let the Russians have it.
There are ships in Antwerp full of new machinery which we will be sending up
shortly.` All very well but Birmingham and Manchester and Coventry which had
been bombed to bits and still had machinery held together with baling wire,
got nothing.
Glad you enjoyed your trip to the UK. If you are coming West on your next
trip, Bath, Salisbury, Stonehenge, the Cotswolds area get in touch perhaps
we can have a beer together..
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: MV Initial Report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
I returned from MV Sunday morning. Without a doubt, this was the biggest MV
gathering yet. I counted 21 aircraft on the flight line one time (Not all
Kolbs but also some other ultralights).Got to give some real credit to one
Skyraider with a 447 and the women in a Max air Drifter who flew as a team
from Oregon in 5 days. While eating at the restaurant one day with Az. Dave,
we asked the waitress, "Do you have this many planes here often?"She said
" No, only once a year". So you see we are the biggest flying event they
have up there. The Indians like us and give a lot of credit for that to Dave
Raines who flew some Indian Kids for there first time.
Much thanks must go to Az Dave's wife Eve for putting on the wonderful
feed Saturday evening. A tremendous amount of food and a very good time was
had by all.
For all of you who were not there, Sorry, For those who were, "See you
next year".
Az Bald Eagle
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From: "Gherkins Tim-rp3420" <rp3420@freescale.com>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:19 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: MV Initial Report
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gherkins Tim-rp3420"
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> Uncle Craig and I just returned from Monument Valley fly-in, and let me
> tell you what a turn out! There had to have been 15 to 20 planes tied
> down on the flight line. Two Ch701's, Rans Ariale, Sky raider, Drifter,
> Cesnna 175 and about 12 Kolbs. Weather was good, bit gusty on thur
> night, friday afternoon we got a good 45 minute rain to cool things
> down. We left saturday late morning, when the winds started to pick up.
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> People came from everywhere including North Dakota, Alabama, Texas, New
> Mexico, Utah, Oregon, California and Arizona. Can't post photos now,
> but as more Kolbers get home, I'm sure photo's will be posted very soon.
>
> Tim
> FSII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Since we are busy playing hooky while the Tall Dawgs are away doing
Monumental Things,>>
Hi Bob,
isnt this a strange phenomenon. On the jazz list I belong to as soon as a
few of them go off to the French Quarter Festival N.O. or to Sacremento Jazz
Festival all the ones left behind suddenly seem to have a rush of blood to
the head and off topic messages begin to fly around like snow. Perhaps we
should employ a shrink!
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Miss B FOR SALE website |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
For those interested, I've put up a website with photos of Miss B and
frequently asked questions.
http://kolb-mark-3.blogspot.com
Bob Brocious
Tenacity Farm
Carrollton, Kentucky
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| Subject: | Matronics BBS Forums |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Hello Listers,
I just wanted to send out a reminder to all of the Listers regarding the new-ish
BBS (Bulletin Board System) Forums that are available at Matronics for the Email
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respective email list.
Basically, the BBS Forums give you yet another method of accessing the Matronics
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can have it either way or both with the Matronics Lists!
You'll have to register for a login/password on the BBS Forum to _post_ from the
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Register for an account, look for the link at the top of the main BBS Forum
page entitled "Register". Click on it and follow the instructions. Site Administrator
approval will be required (to keep spammers out), but I will try to
get these approved in less than 24 hours.
If you haven't yet taken a look at the Matronics Email List content over on the
BBS Forum, surf on over and take a peek. Its pretty cool. The URL is:
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I want to stress that the BBS Forums are simply an adjunct to the existing Matronics
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: " Terry" <terrytunz@bellsouth.net>
it worked
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From: "Robert Noyer" <a58r@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: test
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Peterson" <b1bookie@lycos.com>
Hi Bill...........I don't post very often, but I can give you some insight on 'water-landings.
First we need to understand that we are flying 'Anchors with Wings'
and therefore we go down with the ship. My experience was in a Quicksilver
returning from Ventura Ca. to Camarillo Airport. I was flying with a buddy
who was just ahead of me and above me about 50 feet. I was doing approx 50 mph
about 10 feet above the water having a great time when 'silence set in'. The
shoreline was almost all rock clifts in that area. I had just enough time to say
to my buddy "I'm going in Harold" and headed very gently for the shore to get
to shallow water. I tried to flair as much as I could but going down wind it
wasn't easy. All of a sudden there was a 'rush' of water and straight to the
bottom I went. This Quicksilver had a pod in front which saved being fliped over
on my back. No flotation at all. I was sitting on the bottom in eight ft.
of water which was over my wings. I just sat there for a moment or so just trying
to realize this really was happening. I got out of my seat belt and radio
gear and floated to the top of the wing. Had a problem getting my helmet off but
remained calm and tried to wave for help. The tide was now bring the plane
closer to shore and I am standing in about 4 ft. of water. Finally, a young man
jumps in to help me and is telling me I am going to loose my plane. I finally
convinced him to help me drag the plane about a hundred yards to the west where
there was a small beach area. To make this short, we were able to save the
'Bird' with a good fresh water bath and a few broken tubes. Earlier in the day
I had been distracted while changing spark plugs and had only hand tightened
them. It took about one hour for the plug to come out of its hole to bring the
silence.
If you are in deep water, you can kiss the bird by-by, but you can save yourself
if you have some kind of vest flotation available to you. The floats for your
plane would be the best solution, but also practice emergency water landings
so you will be ready if it were to happen.
Hope this helps your decision.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Emergency landing in water
> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 18:23:04 -0500
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
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> Hi Gang
> If I remember correctly, a few of you on the list have had engine
> failures and had to land in the water.
> At times the only open area I fly above is water; what is the proper
> procedure for an engine out landing in water with a Firestar II?
> Do I unbuckle my seat beat? Should I get the plane a few inches above
> the water then stall it in? Does it want to turn upside down when the
> front wheels hit the water?
> Thank you in advance
> Bill Vincent
> Firestar II
> Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com
Landing on water is a scenario that I've gone through in my mind a
hundred times, but never actually done. If I know i'm going to be flying over
water, I always wear a lightweight kayaking life jacket.
I fly an UltraStar with no enclosure. One of the methods I've
considered is to unbuckle, toss my helmet, and just before the machine touches
water,
just get out. Can't be much different than falling off water skis.
Another method, and probably the best idea, is to deploy the BRS. Won't
flip, cuz you're coming straight down. And the chute is going to be ruined by
the water anyway, might as well use it. And if the plane sinks, maybe all
those lines connected to it might aid recovery.
Of course, until it happens, if it happens, I'll never know how I'll
react.
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| Subject: | Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
I have had a very fortunate incident. A week ago Saturday my tailwheel assy broke.
I had flown for 2.6hrs, done three off field landings and returned home without
incident. I folded up as I always do, but as I slipped the hairpin clip
into the wingfold tube on the second wing, both wingtips hit the ground. The
down tube that the tail wheel is mounted on folded back.
Inspection shows that there had been a crack on the edge of the weld underneath
the crossbar at the leading edge of the downtube for a while (no rust, but darkened
metal.) After the days flying and 322hrs, the extra weight of the wings
on the tailwheel spread the crack to the end of the tube and that was that.
I have since tigged up a new one with thicker 4130 tubing using ER80S-D2 filler
rod and some pre-heat. The new one is painted a light color so that any cracks
will show up easily.
Just a heads up to the list. Chances are there may be other cracks out there.
I have included a couple of pictures below.
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 12:25 AM 5/23/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
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>I have had a very fortunate incident. A week ago Saturday my
>tailwheel assy broke.
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Yes Sir - Me too.
Modified tail wheel assembly. Took this picture in 1999 - before I went flying.
Second flight - and it fell-off in the air somewhere?
"You" might notice that the axle has already slipped half out of the
bracket (I didn't).
I was just taking pictures of my new plane for the "Kolb List".
Forgot the cotter pins. No harm done....grass strip.
There goes another $5 "grocery cart" wheel and a $20's worth of bearings.
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Tailwheel.jpg
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