Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:54 AM - MV-2006 was a Success! (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
2. 09:18 AM - Re: Emergency landing in water (JetPilot)
3. 09:25 AM - Re: bent ultrastar (JetPilot)
4. 10:35 AM - Electric fuel pump installation (Richard Girard)
5. 10:47 AM - Re: Electric fuel pump installation (Robert Laird)
6. 10:59 AM - Re: Electric fuel pump installation (John Murr)
7. 02:43 PM - Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
8. 02:55 PM - Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (David Lehman)
9. 03:00 PM - Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
10. 04:15 PM - Re: Electric fuel pump installation (jerb)
11. 05:07 PM - Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (ElleryWeld@AOL.COM)
12. 05:16 PM - Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
13. 05:17 PM - Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (David Lehman)
14. 05:17 PM - Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (R. Hankins)
15. 05:50 PM - Publishing (Larry Bourne)
16. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (HShack@AOL.COM)
17. 06:25 PM - Re: Publishing (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
18. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (possums)
19. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (Denny Rowe)
20. 07:10 PM - Re: Electric fuel pump installation (Ralph Hoover)
21. 07:12 PM - Re: Electric fuel pump installation (Steven Green)
22. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
23. 07:16 PM - home from MV (boyd)
24. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (possums)
25. 08:54 PM - Re: Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! (Richard Girard)
26. 08:56 PM - Re: Publishing (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | MV-2006 was a Success! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Kolb Friends -
I am happy to be one of the first to report on the excellent outcome of this
year's Monument Valley Kolb group gathering!
About 20 airplanes were there for the event - 15 of them Kolbs. Slightly
more than half flew in; the others trailered their planes there.
(I don't want to list names, because I'm sure I will inadvertently forget to
mention someone. You'll see pictures with and names details posted on
somebody's website soon, I'm sure).
Plus, a few other light sport planes joined our group. There were two
Zenith 701's that flew in from Phoenix, a 1939 Luscombe from Louisiana, a
Murphy Rebel from New Mexico, and a pair of adventurous pilots who flew a
5-day flight down from Oregon; one lady in her 503 Drifter, and another
fellow in a 447 Ridge Runner ultralight. And of course, Dave Rains flew in
with his Cessna-175 heavy iron.
We were blessed with beautiful weather all weekend long. Folks began
arriving on Thursday afternoon, and filtered in thru Friday. The Saturday
flight line was a bustling activity center of colorful little airplanes,
cheerful people, and lots of that special comradery and socializing that is
unique to aviation people. Always a group of seated folks gathered in the
shade of somebody's wing, visiting. Oh, yeah - the flying scenery was
pretty good, too. Most of the flying was either in the morning, or late
afternoon, when the air was smooth, the shadows long, and the red rock
spires glowed red from the low sun angles.
I think it's important to mention two Kolbers' specifically who really
helped make this event special. Arizona Dave, and his gracious wife Eve,
hosted an amazing and vast spread of food for the entire group (30+) on
Saturday evening in the shade of a big cottonwood, next to their big motor
home in the campground. Thanks again, Pelletier's!
Also Dave Rains (who, incidentally, instigated the first MV gathering 4
years ago), who spent most of his free time giving rides in his Cessna.
Dave was giving rides to many of the Navajo locals who live there and are
employed by Goulding's. They were thrilled to see the monuments from the
unique perspective of a little airplane, having only seen them from ground
level all their lives. Talk about good PR for our group - good work Dave!
By Sunday noon, there was one, lonely Kolb left on the airstrip (Arizona
Dave's; they were still cleaning up from the previous evening's
festivities).
In all, the rally was a resounding success. It was enjoyable to meet
several Kolbers in person, where previously we only knew each other in the
virtual sense through the Kolb List. Watch for pictures to be posted over
the next few weeks.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912, flew 5.5 hours this weekend at MV
Cedar Crest, New Mexico
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Kolb Friends
– <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I am happy to be
one of the
first to report on the excellent outcome of this year’s Monument
Valley
Kolb group gathering!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>About 20 airplanes
were
there for the event – 15 of them Kolbs. Slightly more than
half flew in;
the others trailered their planes there. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>(I don’t
want to list
names, because I'm sure I will inadvertently forget to mention
someone. You'll
see pictures with and names details posted on somebody's website soon,
I'm
sure).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Courier New"><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Plus, a few other
light
sport planes joined our group. There were two Zenith 701's that
flew in from
Phoenix, a 1939 Luscombe from Louisiana, a Murphy Rebel from New
Mexico, and a
pair of adventurous pilots who flew a 5-day flight down from Oregon;
one lady
in her 503 Drifter, and another fellow in a 447 Ridge Runner
ultralight. And
of course, Dave Rains flew in with his Cessna-175 heavy iron.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Courier New"><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>We were blessed
with
beautiful weather all weekend long. Folks began arriving on
Thursday
afternoon, and filtered in thru Friday. The Saturday flight line
was a
bustling activity center of colorful little airplanes, cheerful people,
and
lots of that special comradery and socializing that is unique to
aviation
people. Always a group of seated folks gathered in the shade of
somebody's
wing, visiting. Oh, yeah - the flying scenery was pretty good,
too. Most of
the flying was either in the morning, or late afternoon, when the air
was
smooth, the shadows long, and the red rock spires glowed red from the
low sun
angles.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I think it's
important to
mention two Kolbers' specifically who really helped make this event
special. Arizona
Dave, and his gracious wife Eve, hosted an amazing and vast spread of
food for
the entire group (30+) on Saturday evening in the shade of a big
cottonwood,
next to their big motor home in the campground. Thanks again,
Pelletier's! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Also Dave Rains
(who,
incidentally, instigated the first MV gathering 4 years ago), who spent
most of
his free time giving rides in his Cessna. Dave was giving rides
to many of the
Navajo locals who live there and are employed by Goulding's. They
were
thrilled to see the monuments from the unique perspective of a little
airplane,
having only seen them from ground level all their lives. Talk
about good PR
for our group - good work Dave!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>By Sunday noon,
there was
one, lonely Kolb left on the airstrip (Arizona Dave’s; they were
still
cleaning up from the previous evening’s
festivities).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>In all, the rally
was a
resounding success. It was enjoyable to meet several Kolbers in
person, where
previously we only knew each other in the virtual sense through the
Kolb List.
Watch for pictures to be posted over the next few
weeks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Dennis
Kirby<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Mark-3, 912, flew
5.5 hours
this weekend at MV<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Cedar Crest, <st1:S
tate
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">New
Mexico</st1:place></st1:State><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Do not
archive<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency landing in water |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
I bet with those skis on your firestar you could do a pretty good landing on the
water, then just sink when you lose the last little bit of speed [Laughing]
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: bent ultrastar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Pulling the BRS for an engine failure is a bad idea. There is no guarantee of
a good deployment, it can tangle in the prop etc. etc. The BRS is a good last
resort, but only if there is no other way to save yourself, there are just
to many things that can go very wrong in a BRS deployment. Now instead of
maybe bending your airplane you may be looking at hitting the earth very out of
control and losing your life [Shocked]
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Electric fuel pump installation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
I'd ordered almost everything on my list to do a parallel Facet fuel pump o
n
my MkIII, when I came to check valves. The nice person at CPS informed me
that they had stopped carrying the little cheap plastic jobs because their
inferior quality made them dangerous. It was then that I realized that a
primer bulb has check valves in both ends. It will be a clunky install, but
it gets the job done. Functionality wins over elegance again.
--
Rick Girard
"Pining for a home on the Range"
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| Subject: | Re: Electric fuel pump installation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
I haven't confirmed it myself, but supposedly both pumps already have
check valves in them, so you won't need another point-of-failure
(primer bulb). (I do know my Facet pump has check valves in it, I'm
just not sure about the mechanical pump.)
-- Robert
On 5/23/06, Richard Girard <jindoguy@gmail.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
>
> I'd ordered almost everything on my list to do a parallel Facet fuel pump o
> n
> my MkIII, when I came to check valves. The nice person at CPS informed me
> that they had stopped carrying the little cheap plastic jobs because their
> inferior quality made them dangerous. It was then that I realized that a
> primer bulb has check valves in both ends. It will be a clunky install, but
> it gets the job done. Functionality wins over elegance again.
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Pining for a home on the Range"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electric fuel pump installation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" <jdm@wideworld.net>
Aren't the check valves in the primer bulb prone to failure? I was told
this some time ago and incorporated a bypass loop around the bulb. When I
squeeze the bulb I pinch the bypass shut to force the fuel to the carbs.
I'm looking at adding a pump also as a backup. Id be interested in knowing
what check valves you find and how reliable they are.
John Murr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:33 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Electric fuel pump installation
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
>
> I'd ordered almost everything on my list to do a parallel Facet fuel pump
> o
> n
> my MkIII, when I came to check valves. The nice person at CPS informed me
> that they had stopped carrying the little cheap plastic jobs because their
> inferior quality made them dangerous. It was then that I realized that a
> primer bulb has check valves in both ends. It will be a clunky install,
> but
> it gets the job done. Functionality wins over elegance again.
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Pining for a home on the Range"
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
You must have cought it on something I had the same problem 2 years ago but
it was because I cought it on some Crusty snow and Ice and it broke the same
way yours did but Now I have the full swivel tail wheel and that worry is gone
Ellery in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Ellery...
How about picture(s) of your full swivel tailwheel?...
David
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On 5/23/06, ElleryWeld@aol.com <ElleryWeld@aol.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
>
> You must have cought it on something I had the same problem 2 years ago
> but
> it was because I cought it on some Crusty snow and Ice and it broke the
> same
> way yours did but Now I have the full swivel tail wheel and that worry is
> gone
>
> Ellery in Maine
>
> do not archive
>
>
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"Ultralight flying isn't about transportation; it's about the ma
gic of
pure, simple flight." - Scott Wilcox
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I will get you a picture in a few minutes its sexy ...
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Electric fuel pump installation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
This primer bulb with their "sticky" check valves have brought down
more than one plane which is why if you install one in your fuel line
it is recommended you install a bypass line around them, when you use
the primer you pinch off the by pass, although I found I didn't have
to on my plane. This is where redundancy creates more potential
problems than they solve. Remember to KISS-it.
I believe NAPA auto parts stores sell the check valves for the Facet
fuel pumps.
jerb
At 12:33 PM 5/23/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
>
>I'd ordered almost everything on my list to do a parallel Facet fuel pump o
>n
>my MkIII, when I came to check valves. The nice person at CPS informed me
>that they had stopped carrying the little cheap plastic jobs because their
>inferior quality made them dangerous. It was then that I realized that a
>primer bulb has check valves in both ends. It will be a clunky install, but
>it gets the job done. Functionality wins over elegance again.
>
>--
>Rick Girard
>"Pining for a home on the Range"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Do they Look as Sexy as mine? if not Call TNK and Order Yours today
Ellery in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I dont think the pictures made it her so I sent them to the Photo share for
you to see
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Ellery, I don't see any pictures...
DVD
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On 5/23/06, ElleryWeld@aol.com <ElleryWeld@aol.com> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
>
> Do they Look as Sexy as mine? if not Call TNK and Order Yours today
>
>
> Ellery in Maine
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --
> "Ultralight flying isn't about transportation; it's about the
magic
> of pure, simple flight." - Scott Wilcox
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
[quote="You must have caught it on something" [/quote]
Not that I know of. I have come home with a few weeds in the tailwheel, but not
on this trip. The landings were off field, but not on rough ground or with
tall weeds. The crack was no older than 2 or three weeks, as I washed the plane
about that long ago, and there was no rust in the crack. In my area, bare metal
rusts in a hurry. I still can't believe it waited till I was folded to give
up. Good luck is hard to come by. I'll take it when I can get it.
Possum, What do you have for a wheel now? I was thinking of using one of those
little scooter wheels that come in cool colors.
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
How long should it take to have the online email published ?? I sent a
message with a couple of pictures a few hours ago, and it still hasn't
shown up. What gives ?? Lar. Do not
Archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 5/23/2006 8:18:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rphanks@grantspass.com writes:
Possum, What do you have for a wheel now? I was thinking of using one of
those little scooter wheels that come in cool colors.
That's what I use. There are 2 sizes; 100 mm & 120 mm [I think]. I used the
big one. They appear to have a good bearing in them. I believe the axle
needs to be an 8 mm bolt.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Lar
Picky Picky. Maybe the computer that is publishing your E-mail is related to
the builder of that plane that rimes with moose.
Welcome back from MV. Sounds like every one had a good time.
Please do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:49 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Publishing
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> How long should it take to have the online email published ?? I sent a
> message with a couple of pictures a few hours ago, and it still hasn't
> shown up. What gives ?? Lar. Do not
> Archive.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 08:17 PM 5/23/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
>
>
>Possum, What do you have for a wheel now? I was thinking of using
>one of those little scooter wheels that come in cool colors.
Not me .... I to, have the full swivel tail wheel now - $200. Got
tired of picking the tail up
every time I wanted to get it into tight spot - my back is worth the money.
Besides - It's kinda neat to just push it around from the back - by
the prop - and
steer it with your knees. Plus - I like doing the Cub maneuver -
Lock a brake
down and spin that bad boy around into your slot at the airshows. I
was worried
about the weight (that far back), but it didn't make a bit of
difference. You young guys
use the scooter wheels -
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Possum, What do you have for a wheel now? I was thinking of using one of
> those little scooter wheels that come in cool colors.
>
> --------
> Roger in Oregon
> 1992 KXP 503
>
> Roger,
I built a tailwheel assembly for my Mk-3 with two forks instead of one. I
also used a scooter wheel bought on sale at Walmart for $1.
The color matches my plane and I used an AN-5 bolt for the axle which is the
same as 8mm and a castle nut and cotter pin. Other than the extra fork leg
and the bolt for the axle, it looks just like the Kolb unit.
I purchased the 4130 tubing from Aircraft Spruce.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Electric fuel pump installation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Gosh, I really hate to start this over again, but here goes. You all right and
some of you are wrong.
NOT all facet pumps have check valves. Ask and make sure. Second, redundancy brought
down my instructors Challenger, that and a faulty internal facet check valve.
I will attempt to take pictures of my assemblies as soon as possible. I am presently
building this onto my Kolb.
Solution, at least for me as I write, I am doing this as is my instructor in his
Challenger (I in my Kolb Firestar KXP 503).
Check valves from Mc_Master Carr. Check valve is 1/8" NPT . I probably would consider
a slightly larger check valve next time because of the restriction. However,
for my instructor and myself, the system still delivered more than enough
fuel into a bucket in a given time to exceed any demand the 503 with duel carbs
will require.
7775K61
Brass Spring-Loaded Piston Check Valve 1/8" Nptf Dryseal Male Connections, Viton
Seat
$10.89 You will need two of these.
Next:
from
aircraftspruce.com
40105 40105 FACET SOL ST FUEL PUMP 2.00 0.00 28.60 you will need one if you are
also using the mechanical one that came with the engine.
04-00202 MANIFOLD AL FITTING FAB-2-0-2 2.00 0.00 12.900 Yu will need one of these.
Now what we did. You may choose to do otherwise. Connect check valve on manifold
there are as you will note 2 pieces check valve, with viton seals. One manifold.
The manifold has 5 holes. One from one end, two on top and two on bottom.
Plug side hole with 1/8" NPT pipe plug or install pressure gauge (0-6 P.S.I.)
install the check valves with any necessary elbows. Install Female 1/8" NPT
x 1/4" hose barb. TOne line goes back to a "T" at the output of the mechanical
pump on the engine. The other check valve connection goes to the electric fuel
pump. Remember to install before the suction side of both pumps, a proper filter.
Be sure to put the filter where you can look at them on some frequency.
If not you will have a new problem to deal with. Now out of the two remaining
1/8" NPT holes, install a 1/8" NPT male to 1/4" barb fitting. Install the line
from these to the two pumps.
NOW, If a pump fails ,it's pumping or lack there of will be nipped at the manifold
and the other pump will continue to do it's job.
In starting the engine, turn on electric fuel pump switch. watch gauge. It should
show pressure. Start the engine, turn off the electric fuel pump, watch gauge,
it should show pressure. Bob's your uncle.
Now this is the "skinny version". I have made a cutout in the back of my fuselage
on top and installed a door. I can remove this door and look down into the
back of the framework where I have mounted my electric fuel pump, and its fuel
filter and the fuel filter for the mechanical pump is mounted right next to it.
It doesn't get any simpler than that. I don't believe.
Had I just not posted our problem on the site, I would not have concerned myself
with this because well, the factory pump on the 503 seems to satisfy many of
the posters. And ironically many of the facet users have not faced a problem
with two pump systems. This isnt bulletproof by any stretch of the imagination,
but it is better to put check valves close to the use point than , IMHO, at
the pump.
"Disclaimer::: Warning! This is working for me. It does not mean it will work for
you. This is installed by me on my plane. My plane is an experimental. I am
experimenting. Your experimentation with like components on a like aircraft may
not deliver the same results. Certain side effects can occur, way past nose
bleeding or upset stomach. Always ask an aeronautical engineer before attempting.
Death may result in misuse! I take no credit for any of the information contained
above. There is no warranty implied or expressed. This "Warning" covers
all my responsibility and I will not become responsible for any damage derived
from the outcome of the above, even if used correctly.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36127#36127
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| Subject: | Re: Electric fuel pump installation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
Rick,
No need for more check valves. There is a check valve at the discharge of
each pump already.
Steven
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:33 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Electric fuel pump installation
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
>
> I'd ordered almost everything on my list to do a parallel Facet fuel pump
o
> n
> my MkIII, when I came to check valves. The nice person at CPS informed me
> that they had stopped carrying the little cheap plastic jobs because their
> inferior quality made them dangerous. It was then that I realized that a
> primer bulb has check valves in both ends. It will be a clunky install,
but
> it gets the job done. Functionality wins over elegance again.
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Pining for a home on the Range"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
>. Got tired of picking the tail up every time I wanted to get it into tight
>spot - my back is worth the money.
> Plus - I like doing the Cub maneuver -
> Lock a brake down and spin that bad boy around into your slot at the
> airshows. I
> was worried about the weight (that far back), but it didn't make a bit of
> difference. You young guys use the scooter wheels -
>
Amen, brother, Amen!
AzDave
Do Not Archive
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Just made it home from MV this afternoon... stayed under our wings on
Sunday night,,, wind and rain kept us on the ground Monday. high wind
warnings prompted us to see about a hanger for our planes and ourselves on
Monday night, had only been in the hanger about 15 to 20 min, before the
wind started. the awos reported 49 gusting to 56.. we were real happy to
be inside.. john w and john h went west to the Alvord desert and I went
north to home..
Boyd
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 10:13 PM 5/23/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
><pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> >. Got tired of picking the tail up every time I wanted to get it into tight
> >spot - You young guys use the scooter wheels -
> >
>
>Amen, brother, Amen!
>
>AzDave
See there - use old guys stick together.
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| Subject: | Re: Gentlemen, Check your tailwheels! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
I too rejected the full swivel tail wheel due to its weight, then flip
flopped and bought the 6" version so it would be proportiional to the 18"
nerf tires on the mains. Man, it's just slick. I can lock a brake and spin
around the locked wheel, and when I want to put the plane back into its
hangar, it just swivels around and makes for very easy manuevering.
On 5/23/06, possums <possums@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 10:13 PM 5/23/2006, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
> ><pelletier@cableone.net>
> >
> > >. Got tired of picking the tail up every time I wanted to get it into
> tight
> > >spot - You young guys use the scooter wheels -
> > >
> >
> >Amen, brother, Amen!
> >
> >AzDave
>
> See there - use old guys stick together.
>
>
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Rick Girard
"Pining for a home on the Range"
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, we all had a great time, especially after the tremendous dinner that
Arizona Dave and Eve Pelletier put on. Didn't occur to me till later that
we shoulda donated to that cause. It had to be a pretty hefty expense.
Thanks a lot, Dave and Eve.....it was great. Maybe I can do something in
return next year.......or before.
I, too, hafta say thanks to Dave Rains for the ride he gave my cousin and I
in the C-175 Skylark. It was Guip's 1st ride in a small airplane, and he
loved it. Now, I hafta work at getting my cousin - his wife - into a small
plane. So far, no luck.
In all serious-ness, I am a little frustrated by that mailing. I sent it
1/2 day ago as a test. Not much point in sending more if'n they don't
publish. Lar.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Publishing
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> Lar
>
> Picky Picky. Maybe the computer that is publishing your E-mail is related
> to
> the builder of that plane that rimes with moose.
>
> Welcome back from MV. Sounds like every one had a good time.
>
> Please do not archive
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:49 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Publishing
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>>
>> How long should it take to have the online email published ?? I sent a
>> message with a couple of pictures a few hours ago, and it still hasn't
>> shown up. What gives ?? Lar. Do not
>> Archive.
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