---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/27/06: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: Nose Repairs Needed (Chris Mallory) 2. 06:55 AM - Re: Nose Repairs Needed (John Bickham) 3. 07:40 AM - Kolb Mark III (Bruce Chaisson) 4. 08:47 AM - Re: Nose Repairs Needed (planecrazzzy) 5. 08:50 AM - Re: Nose Repairs Needed (planecrazzzy) 6. 08:54 AM - Re: Kolb Mark III (robert bean) 7. 09:07 AM - Re: Kolb Mark III (Jack B. Hart) 8. 11:52 AM - Re: Kolb Mark III (David Key) 9. 01:37 PM - [ Ellery Weld ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 10. 03:33 PM - Re: Kolb Mark III (Richard Pike) 11. 07:36 PM - Hard to turn Mark III (Bruce Chaisson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:29 AM PST US From: "Chris Mallory" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Nose Repairs Needed --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" That's because his "hoop" wasn't the same diameter as a 55 gal. oil drum. do not archive > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" > > I was looking at the "BEFORE" picture......It has a "hoop" but yet the > nose was damaged.... ( Bickham's ) > > Gotta Fly... > Mike / N381PM > > -------- > . > . > . > . > .Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36738#36738 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:25 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Nose Repairs Needed From: "John Bickham" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Bickham" Just in case there is some confusion. I think we are talking about two different incidents. The damage to my nose cone (before & after pics) was the result of an engine out, off-field landing in a hayfield. Due to bad pilot decision making. It dropped in from 8 -10 feet. Not a simple nose over. I was lucky nothing hurt me. First thing I checked for while the dust was settling was if a broken piece of tubing was sticking in me somewhere. No hoop would have minimized the damage in my case. I concede that my situation was my own fault. However, engine outs are part of the business. I'm not sure I would want that long piece of tubing down there aimed at my nasal cavity - like a pungee stick. Not being critical of the large hoop idea. Think it may be good for taxi test. Just sharing my perspective and limited bad experience. To each his own. Be safe. It just takes a few small wrong decisions to put you in a terrible spot. The first mistake is usually "nothing like that will ever happen to me". -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C "Using my Repairman Certificate" St. Francisville, LA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36824#36824 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:34 AM PST US From: Bruce Chaisson Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bruce Chaisson Has anyone had with the Mark III Classic turning to the right? Left turns seem normal, but try to turn back right from a left turn almost requires two hands. From level flight not to bad, but still harder than left turn. On ground everything feels and looks normal. Thanks ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Nose Repairs Needed From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote: > That's because his "hoop" wasn't the same diameter as a 55 gal. oil drum. > > . > . > . > > > My Hoop isn't that big , But THANKS for being a "SMART" Azz Gotta go now..... -------- .. .. .. .. .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36841#36841 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:34 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Nose Repairs Needed From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" John Bickham wrote: > Just in case there is some confusion. I think we are talking about two different incidents. The damage to my nose cone (before & after pics) was the result of an engine out, off-field landing in a hayfield. Due to bad pilot decision making. It dropped in from 8 -10 feet. Not a simple nose over. > > Oouch ! I hope that was all that was damaged.... Well, it probly bent the gear too... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN PS Yesterday was the first day that I could fly my plane without a coat... -------- .. .. .. .. .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36842#36842 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:45 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Are you trimmed out for zero pressure, straight and level? I also had a heavier left wing (which can be partially attributable to sitting on that side) until I stuck a trim tab on my right aileron. Even though it flies properly now I still consider it a stopgap measure. My first attempt at correction will be to tweak the tailfeathers a little to induce some right roll. After that I'm going to drill new holes in my spar attach tabs above the originals to decrease the angle of incidence. If I still need any lift differential I'll make the hole centers slightly different to decrease the right wing a little more than the left. BTW, on my MkIIIc, largely due to having considerably less hp than a 912 version, I have no nose over problems at full throttle (solo) unless the wheels are chocked. According to my prop calc program I'm getting 58 hp during lift off and early climb/ 4700 rpm At WOT/level flight I read about 5100 rpm which translates to about 62 hp. I could get a little more out of it with a finer pitch but I like the economy range as it is. -BB, one liter suzuki, 65" powerfin, 45+ hours. tomorrow looks like a good day here in the NE. On 27, May 2006, at 10:38 AM, Bruce Chaisson wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bruce Chaisson > > Has anyone had with the Mark III Classic turning to the right? Left > turns > seem normal, but try to turn back right from a left turn almost > requires two > hands. From level flight not to bad, but still harder than left turn. > On > ground everything feels and looks normal. Thanks > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:16 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" At 09:38 AM 5/27/06 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bruce Chaisson > > Has anyone had (trouble?) with the Mark III Classic turning to the right? Left turns >seem normal, but try to turn back right from a left turn almost requires two >hands. From level flight not to bad, but still harder than left turn. On >ground everything feels and looks normal. Thanks > Bruce, Do you have a ball slip indicator? It sounds like you could have a combined yaw and Power-Factor problem. If the propeller is catching more air on the up swing as apposed to the down swing during cruise attitude you have a P-Factor problem. You should solve this problem first and then attack the yaw problem with a tab on the rudder. An explanation of how to correct P-Factor can be found on: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly56.html In my case with the FireFly and the Victor 1+, I was able to correct the yaw problem by rotating the drive reduction unit. But in your case, I believe you will have to use a tab on the rudder. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:03 AM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" I had a problem with mine wanting to go left, as I remember I lowered the left flap or raised the right flap a little I don't remember which and that worked. >From: Bruce Chaisson >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III >Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:38:54 -0500 > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bruce Chaisson > > Has anyone had with the Mark III Classic turning to the right? Left >turns >seem normal, but try to turn back right from a left turn almost requires >two >hands. From level flight not to bad, but still harder than left turn. On >ground everything feels and looks normal. Thanks > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:00 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Ellery Weld ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Ellery Weld Lists: Kolb-List Subject: Sexy Tailwheel From TNK http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/ElleryWeld@aol.com.05.27.2006/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:14 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Kolb ailerons tend to be a bit on the heavy side anyway, here is a mod that makes them much lighter. http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg7.htm Have flown it this way for years and love it. No loss of aileron authority. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Bruce Chaisson wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bruce Chaisson > > Has anyone had with the Mark III Classic turning to the right? Left turns > seem normal, but try to turn back right from a left turn almost requires two > hands. From level flight not to bad, but still harder than left turn. On > ground everything feels and looks normal. Thanks > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:13 PM PST US From: Bruce Chaisson Subject: Kolb-List: Hard to turn Mark III --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bruce Chaisson Thanks to everyone for the input. Can't wait to try the remedies.