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1. 02:08 AM - Re: Where's the love? (Dave Bigelow)
2. 05:33 AM - Re: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? (Eugene Zimmerman)
3. 05:36 AM - ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (Jack B. Hart)
4. 05:50 AM - Re: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? (russ kinne)
5. 06:10 AM - Re: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? (John Hauck)
6. 06:18 AM - Interesting aircraft accident map (Richard Pike)
7. 06:18 AM - Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (David Lehman)
8. 07:24 AM - Re: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? (Dallas Shepherd)
9. 07:41 AM - Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (robert bean)
10. 07:48 AM - Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (David Lehman)
11. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (FS2Kolb@aol.com)
12. 07:56 AM - Re: Adjustment of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (Jack B. Hart)
13. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (J.D. Stewart)
14. 08:18 AM - Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (Jim Hauck)
15. 09:36 AM - Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (robert bean)
16. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (BOB BROCKMAN)
17. 10:17 AM - strobes (Larry Cottrell)
18. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
19. 10:39 AM - Re: strobes (Jim Hauck)
20. 10:50 AM - Air bowling (Edward Steuber)
21. 11:05 AM - Re: strobes (John Cooley)
22. 11:11 AM - Re: Where's the love? (Ralph Hoover)
23. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (FS2Kolb@aol.com)
24. 11:17 AM - Re: strobes (J.D. Stewart)
25. 11:49 AM - Re: Air bowling (Ed Chmielewski)
26. 11:59 AM - Re: strobes (Guillermo Uribe)
27. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (Chris Mallory)
28. 01:33 PM - Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... (David Key)
29. 02:00 PM - Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... (George Myers)
30. 02:41 PM - Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... (Chris Mallory)
31. 04:06 PM - Re: # 1 Firefly (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
32. 04:17 PM - Re: Where's the love? (Max Stanford)
33. 04:26 PM - Re: # 1 Firefly (Herb Gayheart)
34. 04:33 PM - Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... (planecrazzzy)
35. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (Chris Mallory)
36. 04:49 PM - Hey Max, You Bastage (planecrazzzy)
37. 05:12 PM - MaxStanford = JetPilot (David Key)
38. 05:16 PM - Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... (Ralph Hoover)
39. 05:37 PM - Enough! - READ THIS (Matt Dralle)
40. 05:44 PM - Kolb Folded wing dolly. (Ralph Hoover)
41. 05:47 PM - Re: # 1 Firefly (Jack B. Hart)
42. 05:53 PM - MV06' (Bob Dalton)
43. 06:40 PM - Re: Enough! - READ THIS (Eugene Zimmerman)
44. 06:46 PM - Great Weekend (Charles Davis)
45. 07:59 PM - Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (David Lehman)
46. 08:45 PM - Re: Preservation oil (DAquaNut@aol.com)
47. 08:51 PM - Re: strobes (Larry Cottrell)
48. 08:56 PM - Re: strobes (Larry Cottrell)
49. 09:15 PM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (DAquaNut@aol.com)
50. 09:34 PM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (DAquaNut@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the love? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" <up_country@hotmail.com>
Guys - take a look at Max Stanford's email address. It's a freebe from Yahoo.
Anyone can register a fake name and email address there (or on Hotmail).
Whoever the idiot is, you can bet his name is not Max Stanford. I'm thinking someone
who has made himself unpopular on the list, and is back with an alias messing
with people's minds.
We really need to ask Matt to ban anyone who "flames" on this list. The "flamer"
will probably show up with another alias. Thing is to ask Matt to ban anyone
who flames another on the list, and do not reply to the ignorant dolt. He'll
soon get tired of being ignored and go away.
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Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38616#38616
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| Subject: | Re: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Hey Matt,
I second that.
All in favor say Aye.
On Jun 5, 2006, at 5:04 AM, Dave Bigelow wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow"
> <up_country@hotmail.com>
>
> Guys - take a look at Max Stanford's email address. It's a freebe
> from Yahoo. Anyone can register a fake name and email address
> there (or on Hotmail).
>
> Whoever the idiot is, you can bet his name is not Max Stanford.
> I'm thinking someone who has made himself unpopular on the list,
> and is back with an alias messing with people's minds.
>
> We really need to ask Matt to ban anyone who "flames" on this
> list. The "flamer" will probably show up with another alias.
> Thing is to ask Matt to ban anyone who flames another on the list,
> and do not reply to the ignorant dolt. He'll soon get tired of
> being ignored and go away.
>
> --------
> Dave Bigelow
> Kamuela, Hawaii
> FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI
>
>
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| Subject: | ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
FireFlyer's
Since I bent a landing gear leg I have had ample opportunity to adjust wheel
camber. The straightened leg survived another landing on a rough grass
field, but camber was lost, and a new leg had to be installed. I found that
the original leg's OD that fit into the axle assembly was turned smaller
than the new leg. When I fit the new leg, I found that I had too much
camber in that the wheel leaned out much to much at the top.
I found my axle bender pipe and this time I took some photos. If you would
like to see how I made camber adjustments, they can be seen at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly126.html
Yesterday there was a fly-in breakfast at my home airport (I22). Rolled the
FireFly out and I had a fun morning talking to all ages. It is fun to be
around people who love to fly and love airplanes.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
AYE!
do not archive
On Jun 5, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
> <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>
> Hey Matt,
>
> I second that.
> All in favor say Aye.
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2006, at 5:04 AM, Dave Bigelow wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow"
>> <up_country@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Guys - take a look at Max Stanford's email address. It's a freebe
>> from Yahoo. Anyone can register a fake name and email address
>> there (or on Hotmail).
>>
>> Whoever the idiot is, you can bet his name is not Max Stanford.
>> I'm thinking someone who has made himself unpopular on the list,
>> and is back with an alias messing with people's minds.
>>
>> We really need to ask Matt to ban anyone who "flames" on this
>> list. The "flamer" will probably show up with another alias.
>> Thing is to ask Matt to ban anyone who flames another on the list,
>> and do not reply to the ignorant dolt. He'll soon get tired of
>> being ignored and go away.
>>
>> --------
>> Dave Bigelow
>> Kamuela, Hawaii
>> FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| > All in favor say Aye.
| >> list.
Folks:
Please leave the Kolb List alone.
It has worked great for the last 8+ years that I know of. It has had
a few agitators along the way, but they soon get bored and go
somewhere else to try for attention. Let's not try for more
regulation, but more freedom.
Matt has more to do than baby sit this List.
john h
PS: One always has the freedom of hitting the delete key.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Interesting aircraft accident map |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Non-Kolb related, but aircraft related, and kind of unique.
A friend sent me a link to an interesting aircraft-related web site that
might be of interest.
It is out of Hungary, and show aircraft accidents and incidents
displayed on a US map.
It also shows earthquakes, biohazard, nuclear and other notable
events/incidents.
If you mouse over the accident/incident icon, it shows (amidst the
Hungarian) the aircraft type.
If you scroll down the page and click on the blue-colored links within
the aircraft accident/incident section, it takes you to the FAA
preliminary report.
Which have a link to Google Earth, which if you click on it, shows a
satellite picture of the accident area.
One caveat: Microsoft Internet Explorer does not work right when you
click on the link to the FAA site, however, Mozilla Firefox works
perfectly. (Not surprising)
Here is the link:
http://visz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/usa_alert.php?lang=eng
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly |
After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle fittings on
my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are incorrect... I used the
existing mounting holes not realizing that apparently the holes are drilled
by the installer, not Kolb and consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike...
Now I need to move the gear up further in the socket and drill new holes...
Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?... If a 5-6' 5/8"
rod is slid in the axle sockets so that the axles are in alignment and then
the mounting holes drilled, is that sufficient?...
Thanx...
David
On 6/5/06, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>
> FireFlyer's
>
> Since I bent a landing gear leg I have had ample opportunity to adjust
> wheel
> camber. The straightened leg survived another landing on a rough grass
> field, but camber was lost, and a new leg had to be installed. I found
> that
> the original leg's OD that fit into the axle assembly was turned smaller
> than the new leg. When I fit the new leg, I found that I had too much
> camber in that the wheel leaned out much to much at the top.
>
> I found my axle bender pipe and this time I took some photos. If you
> would
> like to see how I made camber adjustments, they can be seen at:
>
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly126.html
>
> Yesterday there was a fly-in breakfast at my home airport (I22). Rolled
> the
> FireFly out and I had a fun morning talking to all ages. It is fun to be
> around people who love to fly and love airplanes.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
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"Ultralight flying isn't about transportation; it's about the ma
gic of
pure, simple flight." - Scott Wilcox
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| Subject: | Re: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? |
I vote aye on this one.
Dallas Shepherd
Norfork, Arkansas
Do not archive
-------Original Message-------
From: russ kinne
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
AYE!
do not archive
On Jun 5, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
> <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>
> Hey Matt,
>
> I second that.
> All in favor say Aye.
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2006, at 5:04 AM, Dave Bigelow wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow"
>> <up_country@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Guys - take a look at Max Stanford's email address. It's a freebe
>> from Yahoo. Anyone can register a fake name and email address
>> there (or on Hotmail).
>>
>> Whoever the idiot is, you can bet his name is not Max Stanford.
>> I'm thinking someone who has made himself unpopular on the list,
>> and is back with an alias messing with people's minds.
>>
>> We really need to ask Matt to ban anyone who "flames" on this
>> list. The "flamer" will probably show up with another alias.
>> Thing is to ask Matt to ban anyone who flames another on the list,
>> and do not reply to the ignorant dolt. He'll soon get tired of
>> being ignored and go away.
>>
>> --------
>> Dave Bigelow
>> Kamuela, Hawaii
>> FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly |
That will do ok. Stick some weight in the airplane first because
angles change with
load. I prefer to locate the imaginary centerline of the plane on the
garage floor,
about 10' in front, then align a chalk line down the tire sidewall to
the corresponding
mark ten feet out. -Then drill either the hole fixing the leg in the
airframe
-or in the axle adapter. Perfectly parallel wheels will track just
fine.
On 5, Jun 2006, at 9:18 AM, David Lehman wrote:
> After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle
> fittings on my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are
> incorrect...- I used the existing mounting holes not realizing that
> apparently the holes are drilled by the installer, not Kolb and
> consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike...- Now I need to move the
> gear up further in the socket and drill new holes...
> -
> Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?...- If a
5-6'
> 5/8" rod is slid in the axle sockets so that the axles are in
> alignment and then the mounting holes drilled, is that sufficient?...
> -
> Thanx...
> -
> David
>
>
> -
> On 6/5/06, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> wrote: --> Kolb-List
> message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" < jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>>
>> FireFlyer's
>>
>> Since I bent a landing gear leg I have had ample opportunity to
>> adjust wheel
>> camber.--The straightened leg survived another landing on a rough
>> grass
>> field, but camber was lost, and a new leg had to be installed.--I
>> found that
>> the original leg's OD that fit into the axle assembly was turned
>> smaller
>> than the new leg.--When I fit the new leg, I found that I had too
much
>> camber in that the wheel leaned out much to much at the top.
>>
>> I found my axle bender pipe and this time I took some photos.--If
>> you would
>> like to see how I made camber adjustments, they can be seen at:
>>
>> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly126.html
>>
>> Yesterday there was a fly-in breakfast at my home airport
>> (I22).--Rolled the
>> FireFly out and I had a fun morning talking to all ages.--It is
fun
>> to be
>> around people who love to fly and love airplanes.
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| Subject: | Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly |
Thanx Robert...
That looks like the easiest way to do it...
DVD
On 6/5/06, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> That will do ok. Stick some weight in the airplane first because
> angles change with
> load. I prefer to locate the imaginary centerline of the plane on the
> garage floor,
> about 10' in front, then align a chalk line down the tire sidewall to
> the corresponding
> mark ten feet out. -Then drill either the hole fixing the leg in the
> airframe
> -or in the axle adapter. Perfectly parallel wheels will track just
> fine.
>
> On 5, Jun 2006, at 9:18 AM, David Lehman wrote:
>
> > After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle
> > fittings on my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are
> > incorrect... I used the existing mounting holes not realizing that
> > apparently the holes are drilled by the installer, not Kolb and
> > consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike... Now I need to move the
> > gear up further in the socket and drill new holes...
> >
> > Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?... If a 5-6'
> > 5/8" rod is slid in the axle sockets so that the axles are in
> > alignment and then the mounting holes drilled, is that sufficient?...
> >
> > Thanx...
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/5/06, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> wrote: --> Kolb-List
> > message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" < jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
> >>
> >> FireFlyer's
> >>
> >> Since I bent a landing gear leg I have had ample opportunity to
> >> adjust wheel
> >> camber.The straightened leg survived another landing on a rough
> >> grass
> >> field, but camber was lost, and a new leg had to be installed.I
> >> found that
> >> the original leg's OD that fit into the axle assembly was turned
> >> smaller
> >> than the new leg.When I fit the new leg, I found that I had too much
> >> camber in that the wheel leaned out much to much at the top.
> >>
> >> I found my axle bender pipe and this time I took some photos.If
> >> you would
> >> like to see how I made camber adjustments, they can be seen at:
> >>
> >> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly126.html
> >>
> >> Yesterday there was a fly-in breakfast at my home airport
> >> (I22).Rolled the
> >> FireFly out and I had a fun morning talking to all ages.It is fun
> >> to be
> >> around people who love to fly and love airplanes.
> >> =============================
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the love? |
Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to the
Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer.
I would not be in favor of censoring the list.
Do not archive.
In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes:
The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the Challenger
group are a better buch than we have here.
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| Subject: | Re: Adjustment of Wheel Camber on a FireFly |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly
Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at onlyinternet.net
After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle fittings on my early
Firestar, both my camber and caster are incorrect... I used the existing
mounting holes not realizing that apparently the holes are drilled by the installer,
not Kolb and consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike... Now I need to
move the gear up further in the socket and drill new holes...
Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?... If a 5-6' 5/8" rod
is slid in the axle sockets so that the axles are in alignment and then the mounting
holes drilled, is that sufficient?...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
David,
In my case with the FireFly, I initially adjusted the camber with 200 pounds
of bagged sand in the seat and the gas tank half full. I kept bending until
the wheels were straight up and down and parallel with the load in the seat,
with the FireFly standing on its wheels, and after rolling the FireFly
forward to seat the wheels. After removing the 200 pounds of sand and
rolling the backwards and FORWARDS to seat the wheels I measured the camber
and found it to be 2.5 degrees with the top of the wheel away from the
fuselage.
I am not sure I remember this correctly, but I believe that after the sand
was removed the wheels had a barely noticeable slight tow-in.
Before I made these adjustments, the FireFly was very squirrelly on hard
surfaces, especially so in gusty cross winds. With these adjustments, the
FireFly is very stable on the ground and goes where you expect it for a
given rudder and stick input.
In your case you do not need to move the leg up in the socket and drill a
new hole. Leave the leg length exposed the same and align the axle, clamp
it in position and drill a new hole slightly above the old one through the
socket.
I took some photos while I replaced the bent gear leg with a new one. I will
try to put them up in the near future.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the love? |
There is no Max Stanford on the Challenger list (I'm the owner of it).
So, the previous poster is probably correct, in that it's a fake name and
address. I doubt he's a Challenger dealer, though. Being a member of both
lists for almost a decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is very well behaved.
We've had our brawls on the C list, but since I'm right there and have
several moderators, we can usually put out the fire pretty fast.
Matt can probably track his IP address and find out who he is (I'm an
ISP also).
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
Challenger e-mail list
http://challenger.inebraska.com
Titan e-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of FS2Kolb@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:53 AM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to the
Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer.
I would not be in favor of censoring the list.
Do not archive.
In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes:
The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the Challenger
group are a better buch than we have here.
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| Subject: | Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly |
Y'all;
A simple method that I use, is to slide a piece of tubing through one
axle socket out through the other axle socket. A piece of rigid wall
conduit works fine.
This will align the axles to the airframe.
Drill your mounting holes.
I always set camber at 7 degrees with the weight of the aircraft on the
wheels.
When you set your skinny or fat butt in the aircraft you have about 0 to
2 degrees camber.
I always use 0 degrees toe in or toe out.
Jim Hauck
On 6/5/2006 10:48:09 AM, David Lehman (david@davidlehman.net) wrote:
> Thanx Robert...
>
> That looks like the easiest way to do it...
>
> DVD
>
>
> On 6/5/06, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net [link:
> mailto:slyck@frontiernet.net]> wrote:That will do ok. Stick some
weight
> in the airplane first because
> angles change with
> load. I prefer to locate the imaginary centerline of the plane on the
> garage floor,
> about
> 10' in front, then align a chalk line down the tire sidewall to
> the corresponding
> mark ten feet out. -Then drill either the hole fixing the leg in the
> airframe
> -or in the axle adapter. Perfectly parallel wheels will track just
> fine.
>
> On 5, Jun 2006, at 9:18 AM, David Lehman wrote:
>
> > After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle
> > fittings on my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are
> > incorrect... I used the existing mounting holes not realizing that
> > apparently the holes are drilled by the installer, not Kolb and
> > consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike... Now I need to move the
> > gear up further in the socket and drill new holes...
> >
> > Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?... If a
5-6'
> >
> 5/8"
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| Subject: | Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly |
On the subject of gear legs, having straightened one so far in a
neighbor's
hydraulic press; Harbor Freight has a 12 ton hydraulic pipe bender for
$70
I got one last week for the next time I may need it. It has different
size
adapters for pipe size. I figure it can easily be adapted to use as a
regular
press too, for such duties as pushing piston pins, etc.
-BB
On 5, Jun 2006, at 11:17 AM, Jim Hauck wrote:
> Y'all;
> -
> A simple method that I use, is to slide a piece of tubing through one
> axle socket out through the other axle socket. A piece of rigid wall
> conduit works fine.
> -
> This will align the axles to the airframe.
> -
> Drill your mounting holes.
> -
> I always set camber at 7 degrees with the weight of the aircraft on
> the wheels.
> -
> When you set your skinny or fat butt in the aircraft you have about 0
> to 2 degrees camber.
> -
> I always use 0 degrees toe in or toe out.
> -
> Jim Hauck
> On 6/5/2006 10:48:09 AM, David Lehman (david@davidlehman.net) wrote:
> > Thanx Robert...
> >
> > That looks like the easiest way to do it...
> >
> > DVD
> >
> >
> > On 6/5/06, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net- [link:
> > mailto:slyck@frontiernet.net]> wrote:That will do ok.- Stick some
> weight
> > in the airplane first because
> > angles change with
> > load.- I prefer to locate the imaginary centerline of the plane on
> the
> > garage floor,
> > about
> > 10' in front, then align a chalk line down the tire sidewall to
> > the corresponding
> > mark ten feet out.- -Then drill either the hole fixing the leg in
the
> > airframe
> > -or in the axle adapter.- Perfectly parallel wheels will track
just
> > fine.
> >
> > On 5, Jun 2006, at 9:18 AM, David Lehman wrote:
> >
> > > After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle
> > > fittings on my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are
> > > incorrect... I used the existing mounting holes not realizing that
> > > apparently the holes are drilled by the installer, not Kolb and
> > > consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike... Now I need to move the
> > > gear up further in the socket and drill new holes...
> > >
> > > Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?... If a
> 5-6'
> > >
> > 5/8"
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the love? |
I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total
bunch of whiner with nothing else to do.
I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a
better airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger.
They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here.
bob
----- Original Message -----
From: J.D. Stewart<mailto:jstewart@inebraska.com>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com<mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
There is no Max Stanford on the Challenger list (I'm the owner of
it). So, the previous poster is probably correct, in that it's a fake
name and address. I doubt he's a Challenger dealer, though. Being a
member of both lists for almost a decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is
very well behaved. We've had our brawls on the C list, but since I'm
right there and have several moderators, we can usually put out the fire
pretty fast.
Matt can probably track his IP address and find out who he is (I'm
an ISP also).
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com<http://www.ultrafunairsports.com/>
Challenger e-mail list
http://challenger.inebraska.com<http://challenger.inebraska.com/>
Titan e-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/<http://groups.yahoo.com/grou
p/Titanaircraft/>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
FS2Kolb@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:53 AM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to
the Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer.
I would not be in favor of censoring the list.
Do not archive.
In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes:
The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the
Challenger group are a better buch than we have here.
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Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my
firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the
name and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the love? |
Bob:
As many often say..... "Don't be too quick to judge." If you have only been
on this list a week, you are not getting a representative sample of the
value of the list or its contributors. With all due respect to the members
of the Challenger list (or any other for that matter) with human beings as
participants, the anonymity of the Internet and a host of other factors, the
Kolb list is as good or better, overall, than any of them. Granted there
are occasional bumps, a few egos to contend with, a few pranksters, a couple
of wise guys, and even a couple of town clowns. But on the whole a really
great bunch of people who contribute a lot of knowledge (and pleasure) to a
lot of us.
My view is that the key is to be able to take each message for what it is
worth to you as an individual. If it isn't worth your time, hit the delete
key or set your filters or whatever it takes. It isn't that much trouble to
get to the good stuff. Or if you would rather, you can whine about the
whiners and/or go someplace else.
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BOB BROCKMAN
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:57 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total
bunch of whiner with nothing else to do.
I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a better
airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger.
They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here.
bob
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Larry;
This is Dicks number
Jim
KUNTZELMAN ELECTRONICS 610-326-9068
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: strobes
Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my
firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the
name and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site.
Larry, Oregon
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I've had this idea of starting a new contest to add to the flour
bombing and spot landing events at our local fly-in cook-outs. It could
be called Air Bowling . All that would be recquired is a bowling ball
and a pin. Put the pin in the middle of the runway and have a designated
release point for the ball and your in business. A suitable pin (or
pin-head) is the only other thing needed....I was wondering if Max might
be available ?
Any of you pilots on the Kolb list want to be included as bowlers
? .............sign up early cause I bet there is gonna be a long
line....
Ed in
Western NY
For sure........ Do not archive ....
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Larry,
Here=92s the web address http://www.kestrobes.com/
John Cooley
_____
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:17 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: strobes
Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my
firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the
name
and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the love? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
George, You took the words right out of my mouth, with the exception of the "town
Clowns"! I don't believe we have any of those, with the exception of that English
guy "Pat something"! Ha. HA.
Wha'd I do with them big rubber feet I always keep around. Wife must be using
my make-up!
Lost my red nose in Ohio, Ralph!
And P.S. THere ain't no way on this green earth that I would rather own anything
but a Kolb. Except maby a helicopter. But thats only if I could get it in the
air and keep it there.
Do not arechive!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38714#38714
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the love? |
In a message dated 6/5/2006 10:59:03 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
packerbeagle@msn.com writes:
I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total bunch
of whiner with nothing else to do.
Hi Bob,
Going by your judgmental whinnying, do we meet at Monument Valley and whine
all day long with nothing else to do?
do no archive
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Hi Larry;
www.kestrobes.com
I'm a dealer for Dick, and can get you a decent price on a set of strobes.
The Dual Magnum wingtip strobes normally list at $228~$229.95. I sell them
to list members for $214.95 (Non CC price). Shipping is usually right at
$10 for most of the US.
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
Challenger e-mail list
http://challenger.inebraska.com
Titan e-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:17 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: strobes
Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my
firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the name
and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site.
Larry, Oregon
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Hi Ed,
Air bowling in the summer is a great idea. In the winter, it's
downright scary. The dang ball bounces back at you, looks like it's
coming back into the cabin!
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Steuber
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:49 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Air bowling
I've had this idea of starting a new contest to add to the
flour bombing and spot landing events at our local fly-in cook-outs. It
could be called Air Bowling . All that would be recquired is a bowling
ball and a pin. Put the pin in the middle of the runway and have a
designated release point for the ball and your in business. A suitable
pin (or pin-head) is the only other thing needed....I was wondering if
Max might be available ?
Any of you pilots on the Kolb list want to be included as
bowlers ? .............sign up early cause I bet there is gonna be a
long line....
Ed in
Western NY
For sure........ Do not archive ....
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These are the type of strobes I installed in my FireStar II
http://www.kestrobes.com/CUSTOMERS_INSTALLATIONS.html
_____
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:17 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: strobes
Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my
firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the name
and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the love? |
Well, I'll be damned ........... Max Stanford is back, This time as Bob
Brockman.
do not archive
I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total
bunch of whiner with nothing else to do.
I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a better
airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger.
They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here.
bob
----- Original Message -----
From: J.D. Stewart
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
There is no Max Stanford on the Challenger list (I'm the owner of
it). So, the previous poster is probably correct, in that it's a fake name
and address. I doubt he's a Challenger dealer, though. Being a member of
both lists for almost a decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is very well
behaved. We've had our brawls on the C list, but since I'm right there and
have several moderators, we can usually put out the fire pretty fast.
Matt can probably track his IP address and find out who he is (I'm
an ISP also).
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
Challenger e-mail list
http://challenger.inebraska.com
Titan e-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of FS2Kolb@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:53 AM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to the
Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer.
I would not be in favor of censoring the list.
Do not archive.
In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes:
The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the
Challenger group are a better buch than we have here.
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| Subject: | Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
People leave unique signatures when they compose. The phrases they choose
to use, the way they say things, and how they say it. There aren't many
posts and they were both short but there are a lot of signatures in Bob's
two posts. While one signature doesn't point to anyone necessarily multiple
distinct signatures can.
Sounds like a group of boys with toys that need to grow up. I'm out of this
whiney bunch. I doubt if you'd help each other unless you could criticize
the other guy for what ever he did wrong.
I make by a Kolb but, I won't deal with this group.
Challanger people are VERY different but, then they don't seem to have
ATTITUDES!
have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total bunch
of whiner with nothing else to do.
I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a better
airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger.
They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here.
bob
Is Bob a real person.... Yes he is...
Is he a Challenger owner like he claims... I don't think he could misspell
the name of plane he owns do you?
Who makes multiple posts before anyone replys?
Who else writes with such emotion?
Who uses the phrase "I'm out"
Who used the phrase "sounds like"
Who capitalizes "VERY"
Who Uses won't and never uses wont.
Who uses the phrase "I'll go with"
Who ends the sentence with a capitalized phrase?
Who writes with emotion...
Perhaps the most interesting signature is Who misspells "what ever"
I have some answers.
"what ever"
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=54448863?KEYS=what_ever?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=5?SERIAL=1255569832?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
"I'll go with"
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=27251762?KEYS=i'll_go_with?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=4?SERIAL=13094617391?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
I'm out
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=19380455?KEYS=i'm_out?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=25?SERIAL=1253258855?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
"VERY" - in caps
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=53073590?KEYS=planecra?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=32?SERIAL=13013413671?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
"Capitolized phrase ending a sentence"
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=54484571?KEYS=planecrazz?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=17?SERIAL=13112817998?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
"Sounds Like"
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=42850253?KEYS=sounds_like?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=169?SERIAL=1137167544?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=42850253?KEYS=sounds_like?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=169?SERIAL=1137167544?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
Please don't create new email accounts, my filters wont automatically delete
your posts.
I have way too much time!!
>From: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
>Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:00:00 -0400
>
>Well, I'll be damned ........... Max Stanford is back, This time as Bob
>Brockman.
>
>do not archive
>
>
> I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total
>bunch of whiner with nothing else to do.
> I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a
>better
>airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger.
> They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here.
> bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J.D. Stewart
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:06 AM
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
>
>
> There is no Max Stanford on the Challenger list (I'm the owner of
>it). So, the previous poster is probably correct, in that it's a fake name
>and address. I doubt he's a Challenger dealer, though. Being a member of
>both lists for almost a decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is very well
>behaved. We've had our brawls on the C list, but since I'm right there and
>have several moderators, we can usually put out the fire pretty fast.
> Matt can probably track his IP address and find out who he is (I'm
>an ISP also).
> J.D. Stewart
> UltraFun AirSports, LLC
> http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
> Challenger e-mail list
> http://challenger.inebraska.com
> Titan e-mail list
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of FS2Kolb@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:53 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
>
>
> Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to
>the
>Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer.
>
> I would not be in favor of censoring the list.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
>maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes:
> The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the
>Challenger group are a better buch than we have here.
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| Subject: | Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... |
By Jove....I think he's got it!
-------Original Message-------
From: David Key
Subject: Kolb-List: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing...
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
People leave unique signatures when they compose. The phrases they choos
e
to use, the way they say things, and how they say it. There aren't many
posts and they were both short but there are a lot of signatures in Bob's
two posts. While one signature doesn't point to anyone necessarily multip
le
distinct signatures can.
Sounds like a group of boys with toys that need to grow up. I'm out of th
is
whiney bunch. I doubt if you'd help each other unless you could criticize
the other guy for what ever he did wrong.
I make by a Kolb but, I won't deal with this group.
Challanger people are VERY different but, then they don't seem to have
ATTITUDES!
have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total bunc
h
of whiner with nothing else to do.
I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a better
airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger.
They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here.
bob
Is Bob a real person.... Yes he is...
Is he a Challenger owner like he claims... I don't think he could misspel
l
the name of plane he owns do you?
Who makes multiple posts before anyone replys?
Who else writes with such emotion?
Who uses the phrase "I'm out"
Who used the phrase "sounds like"
Who capitalizes "VERY"
Who Uses won't and never uses wont.
Who uses the phrase "I'll go with"
Who ends the sentence with a capitalized phrase?
Who writes with emotion...
Perhaps the most interesting signature is Who misspells "what ever"
I have some answers.
"what ever"
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script
cgi?INDEX=54448863?KEYS=what_ever?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=5?SERIA
L=1255569832
SHOWBUTTONS=YES
"I'll go with"
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=27251762?KEY
S=i
ll_go_with?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=4?SERIAL=13094617391?SHOWBUTTONS
=YES
I'm out
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=19380455?KEY
S=i
m_out?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=25?SERIAL=1253258855?SHOWBUTTONS=YE
S
"VERY" - in caps
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script
cgi?INDEX=53073590?KEYS=planecra?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=32?SERIA
L=1301341367
?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
"Capitolized phrase ending a sentence"
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script
cgi?INDEX=54484571?KEYS=planecrazz?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=17?SER
IAL=13112817
98?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
"Sounds Like"
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script
cgi?INDEX=42850253?KEYS=sounds_like?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=169?S
ERIAL=113716
544?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script
cgi?INDEX=42850253?KEYS=sounds_like?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=169?S
ERIAL=113716
544?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
Please don't create new email accounts, my filters wont automatically del
ete
your posts.
I have way too much time!!
>From: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
>Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:00:00 -0400
>
>Well, I'll be damned ........... Max Stanford is back, This time as Bo
b
>Brockman.
>
>do not archive
>
>
> I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a tota
l
>bunch of whiner with nothing else to do.
> I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a
>better
>airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger.
> They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that he
re.
> bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J.D. Stewart
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:06 AM
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
>
>
> There is no Max Stanford on the Challenger list (I'm the owner
of
>it). So, the previous poster is probably correct, in that it's a fake n
ame
>and address. I doubt he's a Challenger dealer, though. Being a member
of
>both lists for almost a decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is very well
>behaved. We've had our brawls on the C list, but since I'm right there
and
>have several moderators, we can usually put out the fire pretty fast.
> Matt can probably track his IP address and find out who he is (
I'm
>an ISP also).
> J.D. Stewart
> UltraFun AirSports, LLC
> http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
> Challenger e-mail list
> http://challenger.inebraska.com
> Titan e-mail list
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of FS2Kolb@aol.co
m
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:53 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
>
>
> Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to
>the
>Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer.
>
> I would not be in favor of censoring the list.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
>maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes:
> The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the
>Challenger group are a better buch than we have here.
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| Subject: | Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... |
Good work, it's all starting to make sence now.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Myers
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing...
By Jove....I think he's got it!
-------Original Message-------
From: David Key
Date: 06/05/06 15:38:04
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing...
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
People leave unique signatures when they compose. The phrases they
choose
to use, the way they say things, and how they say it. There aren't
many
posts and they were both short but there are a lot of signatures in
Bob's
two posts. While one signature doesn't point to anyone necessarily
multiple
distinct signatures can.
Sounds like a group of boys with toys that need to grow up. I'm out
of this
whiney bunch. I doubt if you'd help each other unless you could
criticize
the other guy for what ever he did wrong.
I make by a Kolb but, I won't deal with this group.
Challanger people are VERY different but, then they don't seem to
have
ATTITUDES!
have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total
bunch
of whiner with nothing else to do.
I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a
better
airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger.
They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that
here.
bob
Is Bob a real person.... Yes he is...
Is he a Challenger owner like he claims... I don't think he could
misspell
the name of plane he owns do you?
Who makes multiple posts before anyone replys?
Who else writes with such emotion?
Who uses the phrase "I'm out"
Who used the phrase "sounds like"
Who capitalizes "VERY"
Who Uses won't and never uses wont.
Who uses the phrase "I'll go with"
Who ends the sentence with a capitalized phrase?
Who writes with emotion...
Perhaps the most interesting signature is Who misspells "what ever"
I have some answers.
"what ever"
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=54448863?KEYS=what_ever?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=5?SERIAL=1255569832?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
"I'll go with"
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=27251762?KEYS=i'll_go_with?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=4?SERIAL=13094617391?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
I'm out
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=19380455?KEYS=i'm_out?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=25?SERIAL=1253258855?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
"VERY" - in caps
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=53073590?KEYS=planecra?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=32?SERIAL=13013413671?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
"Capitolized phrase ending a sentence"
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=54484571?KEYS=planecrazz?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=17?SERIAL=13112817998?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
"Sounds Like"
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=42850253?KEYS=sounds_like?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=169?SERIAL=1137167544?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=42850253?KEYS=sounds_like?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=169?SERIAL=1137167544?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
Please don't create new email accounts, my filters wont
automatically delete
your posts.
I have way too much time!!
>From: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
>Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:00:00 -0400
>
>Well, I'll be damned ........... Max Stanford is back, This time
as Bob
>Brockman.
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
> I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a
total
>bunch of whiner with nothing else to do.
> I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly
a
>better
>airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger.
> They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see
that here.
> bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J.D. Stewart
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:06 AM
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
>
>
> There is no Max Stanford on the Challenger list (I'm the
owner of
>it). So, the previous poster is probably correct, in that it's a
fake name
>and address. I doubt he's a Challenger dealer, though. Being a
member of
>both lists for almost a decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is very
well
>behaved. We've had our brawls on the C list, but since I'm right
there and
>have several moderators, we can usually put out the fire pretty
fast.
> Matt can probably track his IP address and find out who he
is (I'm
>an ISP also).
> J.D. Stewart
> UltraFun AirSports, LLC
> http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
> Challenger e-mail list
> http://challenger.inebraska.com
> Titan e-mail list
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
FS2Kolb@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:53 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
>
>
> Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more
members to
>the
>Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger
dealer.
>
> I would not be in favor of censoring the list.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight
Time,
>maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes:
> The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that
the
>Challenger group are a better buch than we have here.
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Does anyone know when the First Firefly kit was sold ? (sorry no prize for
the correct answer )
Jim in Rocky Ford seems to have # 35 Firefly in 1998.
I have the # 35 Firefly in 2003 . .... Kolb seems to start over every year
with the I D #.
What say You ?
Stephen
Kolb Firefly 03035
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the love? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Max Stanford" <maxstanford77@yahoo.com>
[quote="Bob Brockman
I'll go with the Challenger.
They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here.
bob
[/quote]
I agree with you 100 % Bob, you are the third person in a few days to make the
observation of how much nicer the Challenger people are. The people here in
the Kolb list are in such denial they will probably accuse you of being someone
else or trying to sell Challengers also. I am frankly tired of seeing this
group of guys ganging up on anyone that disagrees or offends anyone in their little
clique. For years they have demanded that others show respect and be on
their best behavior, while ignoring some of the worst posts and attacks ever
seen on this list by members of their own little group. I have never seen any
other group try to intimidate and run people off the list like the Kolb group
has. Not all the Kolb people are guilty of doing this, but there is a small,
very vocal group that has made the entire Kolb community look bad.
The Challenger list has a far better group of guys that welcome others, and treat
them with respect even if you are not a member of their clique. They most
definitely do not gang up and try to intimidate others even when a disagreement
arises. And to answer your question, no I do not sell Challengers, the people
here on the Kolb list do a better job of selling people on Challengers than
I ever could.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38783#38783
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Old Kolb sn's vs The New Kolb sn's I think? I have sn FF03200032 from
TNK. Herb
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:03:42 EDT Flycrazy8@aol.com writes:
Does anyone know when the First Firefly kit was sold ? (sorry no prize
for the correct answer )
Jim in Rocky Ford seems to have # 35 Firefly in 1998.
I have the # 35 Firefly in 2003 . .... Kolb seems to start over every
year with the I D #.
What say You ?
Stephen
Kolb Firefly 03035
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| Subject: | Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Dohkey,
Keep me outa your Witch hunt....
I like big Lar, we talk off list all the time....I wouldn't say those things about
him....
I tried to do a reverse email search to find out "who" this Max is...No luck
If your trying to find "clues"....Find out who makes LOOOONG post...
I can't type , so I keep it short...
I see your still pissed off about the Joke " practice at the Great Salt Lake
( But watch out for those mountains on the edges) He he he
It was a JOKE.....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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.Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the love? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
Max,
According to your post you have been lurking on this list for years
......... why?
Seems like you don't have anything positive to add to this list. Are you
some kind of self appointed "Hall Monitor? In all likelihood you don't own
an airplane of any kind and don't have anywhere where you actually "fit in"
so you lurk, pretending to be part of something that you can't.
Please do yourself a favor and get away from all of these horrible people
before they taint you.
You don't seem to like anyone here (except maybe Bob, who is just a carbon
copy butthead just like you) and we sure as hell don't like you, we don't
even like you just reading what we write, so go somewhere ...... the
Challenger list is good, the Jiffy store, Walmart, anywhere .... just not
here.
Bye Bye now
----- Original Message -----
From: "Max Stanford" <maxstanford77@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:16 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Max Stanford" <maxstanford77@yahoo.com>
>
> [quote="Bob Brockman
> I'll go with the Challenger.
> They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here.
> bob
> [/quote]
>
> I agree with you 100 % Bob, you are the third person in a few days to make
> the observation of how much nicer the Challenger people are. The people
> here in the Kolb list are in such denial they will probably accuse you of
> being someone else or trying to sell Challengers also. I am frankly tired
> of seeing this group of guys ganging up on anyone that disagrees or
> offends anyone in their little ?oclique?. For years they have
> demanded that others show respect and be on their best behavior, while
> ignoring some of the worst posts and attacks ever seen on this list by
> members of their own little group. I have never seen any other group try
> to intimidate and run people off the list like the Kolb group has. Not
> all the Kolb people are guilty of doing this, but there is a small, very
> vocal group that has made the entire Kolb community look bad.
>
> The Challenger list has a far better group of guys that welcome others,
> and treat them with respect even if you are not a member of their
> ?oclique?. They most definitely do not gang up and try to intimidate
> others even when a disagreement arises. And to answer your question, no I
> do not sell Challengers, the people here on the Kolb list do a better job
> of selling people on Challengers than I ever could.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38783#38783
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Hey Max, You Bastage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Thanks alot Max,
You got these Witch Hunters on my back.....
I don't know WHY Matt doesn't treat your ass like spam and flush the toilet.
Kiss My Azz,
Mike in MN
Your probly just another wantabe....just pissed off that you CAN'T
Tell ya the truth, I find it hard to believe that ANY list would put up with
you for long....I've had MY fill
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.Do not archive
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| Subject: | MaxStanford = JetPilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
It's in.
Max Stanford = JetPilot
BOB BROCKMAN = PlaneCrazzy (mike)
I'm not going to spend much time on this anymore.
Signatures are;
Attacks
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=53243257?KEYS=attacks?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=5?SERIAL=1702581919?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
Talks about organized groups which attack
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=53098642?KEYS=attacks?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=14?SERIAL=1702581919?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
>From: "Max Stanford" <maxstanford77@yahoo.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love?
>Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:16:47 -0700
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Max Stanford" <maxstanford77@yahoo.com>
>
>[quote="Bob Brockman
>I'll go with the Challenger.
> They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here.
> bob
> [/quote]
>
>I agree with you 100 % Bob, you are the third person in a few days to make
>the observation of how much nicer the Challenger people are. The people
>here in the Kolb list are in such denial they will probably accuse you of
>being someone else or trying to sell Challengers also. I am frankly tired
>of seeing this group of guys ganging up on anyone that disagrees or offends
>anyone in their little clique. For years they have demanded that
>others show respect and be on their best behavior, while ignoring some of
>the worst posts and attacks ever seen on this list by members of their own
>little group. I have never seen any other group try to intimidate and run
>people off the list like the Kolb group has. Not all the Kolb people are
>guilty of doing this, but there is a small, very vocal group that has made
>the entire Kolb community look bad.
>
>The Challenger list has a far better group of guys that welcome others, and
>treat them with respect even if you are not a member of their clique.
> They most definitely do not gang up and try to intimidate others even
>when a disagreement arises. And to answer your question, no I do not sell
>Challengers, the people here on the Kolb list do a better job of selling
>people on Challengers than I ever could.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38783#38783
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Hey, I'm not feelin no LOOOOOOOVE here!
I thought thtat the Matronix Rules and regulations disallow anyone using a "potty
mouthed" language when posting?
I believe that MAX completed his thesis on "how hard is it to rile the feathers
of normally nice relaxed fliers. I also believe he had help in the heat and the
rain that we have faced here in the U.S. as of late.
Makes you wonder, don't it?
Perplexed in Ohio Ralph!
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| Subject: | Enough! - READ THIS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Okay Kolb listers, this flame war has got to stop NOW. Looking back over that
last few days there have been virtually no messages about KOLBS. Here is a quote
from the List Usage Guidelines:
"- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level..."
That's the very first rule! But here is another rule that is perhaps the most
important in my opinion:
"- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing."
This whole discussion regarding Lar, Max, and Mike (sort of), totally violates
both of these rules.
Guys, you all know that I like to take a very hands-off approach to running the
Lists and I abhor the idea of List moderation. I don't want to ban anyone from
the List or otherwise block certain people. We are all adults here and know
what the rules are.
Straighten up and fly right. I do not want to see anymore flame posts or other
non-constructive discussions. This is a forum about Kolb building and flying,
not a conduit for venting or picking fights. I also thought I saw some pretty
inappropriate language in a couple of posts. I didn't look closely, but you
know who you are. Unacceptable.
Effective immediately following the complete distribution of this message, I am
going to put a 5-day email posting ban on anyone that continues this flaming
trend of dialog regarding Lar, Max, Mike or anyone else. You've been warned.
Its a lot of work for me to keep track of, but I don't know how else to put the
kibosh on this.
Kolb discussions, please.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Kolb Folded wing dolly. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Someone in the past posted some pictures of their Kolb side-by-side with wings
folded and a dolly which cradled the wings and the main tube. The plane was White
with Green and Purple. I would like to get some more info on this, such as
dimensions. The base tube appears to be 2" square steel and the supports appear
to be White PVC somewhere around 4" cut in half. I tried the search using "dolly",
"tube", and other words with no success. So someone wouldn't thing I had
a hankerin of lazy about me.
Any help out there. I want to make one.
Likin-what-I-see here from Ohio Ralph
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 07:03 PM 6/5/06 EDT, you wrote:
> Does anyone know when the First
>Firefly kit was sold ? (sorry no prize
>for the correct answer ) Jim in Rocky
>Ford seems to have # 35 Firefly in
>1998. I have the # 35 Firefly in 2003 .
>.... Kolb seems to start over every
>year with the I D #. What say You ?
>Stephen Kolb Firefly 03035
Stephen,
The cashier's check for FF004 was dated May 18, 1995.
Received Kit A before September 14, 1995
Kit C was shipped October, 12, 1995
I was a little slow getting it together so its first
flight was 09/09/99.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Good evening all,
I would like to post a couple more MV06' pictures, hope all is well with
everyone. Thanks again for all your friendships and years of fun on the
list. As someone had mentioned earlier, I look forward to reading the
"Kolb" list each and every day.
Take care,
Bob D.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Enough! - READ THIS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Yo Matt,
Thanks!
You are the "Homer" of Email List Administrators and highly regarded
by us all.
Thanks again for providing a quality forum for us.
PS Is that keeping it "kolb related" enough? :^)
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Well, I didn't pilot, but I got to fly...if the pictures come through,
they are of the nose of a B17. The first on the ground, and the 2d
about 1000' over eastern PA. (look past the Norton bombsight...). We
also got to see a Canadian Lancaster fly, one of only 2 in the world.
I see in Sport Aviation that it'll be at Air Venture, and I would
recommend it.
To keep this Kolb related: on the to the way to the Reading, PA WWII
Weekend Airshow, we stopped at KPTW for the EAA chapter's annual
pancake breakfast, and were pleased to find Homer enjoying the food
and the sights. He confirmed that he is tinkering with some designs
for multi-engined single and 2 place planes, but only for his own
enjoyment.
Chuck
Malvern, PA
Firefly
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| Subject: | Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly |
Thanx Jack and Jim...
I used a pickup truck bed partition, the tubular affair that you twist to
tighten against the sides of the bed, fortunately for me the ends are 5/8..
.
Thanx again...
DVD
On 6/5/06, Jim Hauck <jimh474@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Y'all;
>
> A simple method that I use, is to slide a piece of tubing through one axl
e
> socket out through the other axle socket. A piece of rigid wall conduit
> works fine.
>
> This will align the axles to the airframe.
>
> Drill your mounting holes.
>
> I always set camber at 7 degrees with the weight of the aircraft on the
> wheels.
>
> When you set your skinny or fat butt in the aircraft you have about 0 to
2
> degrees camber.
>
> I always use 0 degrees toe in or toe out.
>
> Jim Hauck
> On 6/5/2006 10:48:09 AM, David Lehman (david@davidlehman.net) wrote:
> > Thanx Robert...
> >
> > That looks like the easiest way to do it...
> >
> > DVD
> >
> >
> > On 6/5/06, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net [link:
> > mailto:slyck@frontiernet.net <slyck@frontiernet.net>]> wrote:That will
> do ok. Stick some weight
>
> > in the airplane first because
> > angles change with
> > load. I prefer to locate the imaginary centerline of the plane on the
> > garage floor,
> > about
> > 10' in front, then align a chalk line down the tire sidewall to
> > the corresponding
> > mark ten feet out. -Then drill either the hole fixing the leg in the
> > airframe
> > -or in the axle adapter. Perfectly parallel wheels will track just
> > fine.
> >
> > On 5, Jun 2006, at 9:18 AM, David Lehman wrote:
> >
> > > After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle
> > > fittings on my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are
> > > incorrect... I used the existing mounting holes not realizing that
> > > apparently the holes are drilled by the installer, not Kolb and
> > > consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike... Now I need to move the
> > > gear up further in the socket and drill new holes...
> > >
> > > Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?... If a 5-6'
> > >
> > 5/8"
>
--
"Ultralight flying isn't about transportation; it's about the ma
gic of
pure, simple flight." - Scott Wilcox
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| Subject: | Re: Preservation oil |
In a message dated 6/4/2006 12:06:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kinnepix@earthlink.net writes:
I've not read the Rotax manual so I can't even comment on that.
But "cm" is centimeter, just under half an inch, a measure of distance.
"ccm" is a cubic centimeter, a cube 1 cm on a side, a measure of volume.
Some difference!
Confusing in that Rotax says "ccm" in one place and "cm3" in another --
two ways of saying the same thing.
do not archive
Russ. I though it meant cubic centimeter , but was not sure. I
think 3 ccm would be about like a teaspoon full. That is what I am going to try.
Ed
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Thanks, got them on order.
Larry, Ore.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Cooley
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: strobes
Larry,
Here=92s the web address http://www.kestrobes.com/
John Cooley
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:17 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: strobes
Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my
firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the
name and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site.
Larry, Oregon
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6/2/2006
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6/2/2006
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oops! already got them on order from web page. Thanks for the offer
though.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: J.D. Stewart
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: strobes
Hi Larry;
www.kestrobes.com
I'm a dealer for Dick, and can get you a decent price on a set of
strobes. The Dual Magnum wingtip strobes normally list at $228~$229.95.
I sell them to list members for $214.95 (Non CC price). Shipping is
usually right at $10 for most of the US.
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
Challenger e-mail list
http://challenger.inebraska.com
Titan e-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:17 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: strobes
Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering
my firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled
the name and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web
site.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the love? |
In a message dated 6/5/2006 11:59:07 A.M. Central Standard Time,
packerbeagle@msn.com writes:
They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here.
bob
Bob,
If you had been around for longer than a week You would know that
I for one have been helped more than you can imagine, from people on this
list. If the Kolb list is so bad, Why do you and others reply to it, instead
of the Challenger list. I wouldn't want want to be associated with a group, If
I felt like you say You do. It sounds to me like You and a few others are
upset cause you dont have a Kolb !
Ed
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