---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/05/06: 50 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:08 AM - Re: Where's the love? (Dave Bigelow) 2. 05:33 AM - Re: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? (Eugene Zimmerman) 3. 05:36 AM - ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (Jack B. Hart) 4. 05:50 AM - Re: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? (russ kinne) 5. 06:10 AM - Re: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? (John Hauck) 6. 06:18 AM - Interesting aircraft accident map (Richard Pike) 7. 06:18 AM - Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (David Lehman) 8. 07:24 AM - Re: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? (Dallas Shepherd) 9. 07:41 AM - Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (robert bean) 10. 07:48 AM - Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (David Lehman) 11. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (FS2Kolb@aol.com) 12. 07:56 AM - Re: Adjustment of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (Jack B. Hart) 13. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (J.D. Stewart) 14. 08:18 AM - Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (Jim Hauck) 15. 09:36 AM - Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (robert bean) 16. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (BOB BROCKMAN) 17. 10:17 AM - strobes (Larry Cottrell) 18. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (George T. Alexander, Jr.) 19. 10:39 AM - Re: strobes (Jim Hauck) 20. 10:50 AM - Air bowling (Edward Steuber) 21. 11:05 AM - Re: strobes (John Cooley) 22. 11:11 AM - Re: Where's the love? (Ralph Hoover) 23. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (FS2Kolb@aol.com) 24. 11:17 AM - Re: strobes (J.D. Stewart) 25. 11:49 AM - Re: Air bowling (Ed Chmielewski) 26. 11:59 AM - Re: strobes (Guillermo Uribe) 27. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (Chris Mallory) 28. 01:33 PM - Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... (David Key) 29. 02:00 PM - Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... (George Myers) 30. 02:41 PM - Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... (Chris Mallory) 31. 04:06 PM - Re: # 1 Firefly (Flycrazy8@aol.com) 32. 04:17 PM - Re: Where's the love? (Max Stanford) 33. 04:26 PM - Re: # 1 Firefly (Herb Gayheart) 34. 04:33 PM - Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... (planecrazzzy) 35. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (Chris Mallory) 36. 04:49 PM - Hey Max, You Bastage (planecrazzzy) 37. 05:12 PM - MaxStanford = JetPilot (David Key) 38. 05:16 PM - Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... (Ralph Hoover) 39. 05:37 PM - Enough! - READ THIS (Matt Dralle) 40. 05:44 PM - Kolb Folded wing dolly. (Ralph Hoover) 41. 05:47 PM - Re: # 1 Firefly (Jack B. Hart) 42. 05:53 PM - MV06' (Bob Dalton) 43. 06:40 PM - Re: Enough! - READ THIS (Eugene Zimmerman) 44. 06:46 PM - Great Weekend (Charles Davis) 45. 07:59 PM - Re: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly (David Lehman) 46. 08:45 PM - Re: Preservation oil (DAquaNut@aol.com) 47. 08:51 PM - Re: strobes (Larry Cottrell) 48. 08:56 PM - Re: strobes (Larry Cottrell) 49. 09:15 PM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (DAquaNut@aol.com) 50. 09:34 PM - Re: Re: Where's the love? (DAquaNut@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:39 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? From: "Dave Bigelow" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" Guys - take a look at Max Stanford's email address. It's a freebe from Yahoo. Anyone can register a fake name and email address there (or on Hotmail). Whoever the idiot is, you can bet his name is not Max Stanford. I'm thinking someone who has made himself unpopular on the list, and is back with an alias messing with people's minds. We really need to ask Matt to ban anyone who "flames" on this list. The "flamer" will probably show up with another alias. Thing is to ask Matt to ban anyone who flames another on the list, and do not reply to the ignorant dolt. He'll soon get tired of being ignored and go away. -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38616#38616 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:31 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Hey Matt, I second that. All in favor say Aye. On Jun 5, 2006, at 5:04 AM, Dave Bigelow wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" > > > Guys - take a look at Max Stanford's email address. It's a freebe > from Yahoo. Anyone can register a fake name and email address > there (or on Hotmail). > > Whoever the idiot is, you can bet his name is not Max Stanford. > I'm thinking someone who has made himself unpopular on the list, > and is back with an alias messing with people's minds. > > We really need to ask Matt to ban anyone who "flames" on this > list. The "flamer" will probably show up with another alias. > Thing is to ask Matt to ban anyone who flames another on the list, > and do not reply to the ignorant dolt. He'll soon get tired of > being ignored and go away. > > -------- > Dave Bigelow > Kamuela, Hawaii > FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:29 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" FireFlyer's Since I bent a landing gear leg I have had ample opportunity to adjust wheel camber. The straightened leg survived another landing on a rough grass field, but camber was lost, and a new leg had to be installed. I found that the original leg's OD that fit into the axle assembly was turned smaller than the new leg. When I fit the new leg, I found that I had too much camber in that the wheel leaned out much to much at the top. I found my axle bender pipe and this time I took some photos. If you would like to see how I made camber adjustments, they can be seen at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly126.html Yesterday there was a fly-in breakfast at my home airport (I22). Rolled the FireFly out and I had a fun morning talking to all ages. It is fun to be around people who love to fly and love airplanes. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:27 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne AYE! do not archive On Jun 5, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > > Hey Matt, > > I second that. > All in favor say Aye. > > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 5:04 AM, Dave Bigelow wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" >> >> >> Guys - take a look at Max Stanford's email address. It's a freebe >> from Yahoo. Anyone can register a fake name and email address >> there (or on Hotmail). >> >> Whoever the idiot is, you can bet his name is not Max Stanford. >> I'm thinking someone who has made himself unpopular on the list, >> and is back with an alias messing with people's minds. >> >> We really need to ask Matt to ban anyone who "flames" on this >> list. The "flamer" will probably show up with another alias. >> Thing is to ask Matt to ban anyone who flames another on the list, >> and do not reply to the ignorant dolt. He'll soon get tired of >> being ignored and go away. >> >> -------- >> Dave Bigelow >> Kamuela, Hawaii >> FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI >> >> >> > > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > wiki.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:18 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | > All in favor say Aye. | >> list. Folks: Please leave the Kolb List alone. It has worked great for the last 8+ years that I know of. It has had a few agitators along the way, but they soon get bored and go somewhere else to try for attention. Let's not try for more regulation, but more freedom. Matt has more to do than baby sit this List. john h PS: One always has the freedom of hitting the delete key. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:14 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Interesting aircraft accident map --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Non-Kolb related, but aircraft related, and kind of unique. A friend sent me a link to an interesting aircraft-related web site that might be of interest. It is out of Hungary, and show aircraft accidents and incidents displayed on a US map. It also shows earthquakes, biohazard, nuclear and other notable events/incidents. If you mouse over the accident/incident icon, it shows (amidst the Hungarian) the aircraft type. If you scroll down the page and click on the blue-colored links within the aircraft accident/incident section, it takes you to the FAA preliminary report. Which have a link to Google Earth, which if you click on it, shows a satellite picture of the accident area. One caveat: Microsoft Internet Explorer does not work right when you click on the link to the FAA site, however, Mozilla Firefox works perfectly. (Not surprising) Here is the link: http://visz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/usa_alert.php?lang=eng Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:20 AM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle fittings on my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are incorrect... I used the existing mounting holes not realizing that apparently the holes are drilled by the installer, not Kolb and consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike... Now I need to move the gear up further in the socket and drill new holes... Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?... If a 5-6' 5/8" rod is slid in the axle sockets so that the axles are in alignment and then the mounting holes drilled, is that sufficient?... Thanx... David On 6/5/06, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" > > FireFlyer's > > Since I bent a landing gear leg I have had ample opportunity to adjust > wheel > camber. The straightened leg survived another landing on a rough grass > field, but camber was lost, and a new leg had to be installed. I found > that > the original leg's OD that fit into the axle assembly was turned smaller > than the new leg. When I fit the new leg, I found that I had too much > camber in that the wheel leaned out much to much at the top. > > I found my axle bender pipe and this time I took some photos. If you > would > like to see how I made camber adjustments, they can be seen at: > > http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly126.html > > Yesterday there was a fly-in breakfast at my home airport (I22). Rolled > the > FireFly out and I had a fun morning talking to all ages. It is fun to be > around people who love to fly and love airplanes. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ========================= =========== ========================= =========== ========================= =========== ========================= =========== > > -- "Ultralight flying isn't about transportation; it's about the ma gic of pure, simple flight." - Scott Wilcox ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:35 AM PST US From: "Dallas Shepherd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? I vote aye on this one. Dallas Shepherd Norfork, Arkansas Do not archive -------Original Message------- From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hey Matt, Re: Where's the love? --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne AYE! do not archive On Jun 5, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > > Hey Matt, > > I second that. > All in favor say Aye. > > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 5:04 AM, Dave Bigelow wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" >> >> >> Guys - take a look at Max Stanford's email address. It's a freebe >> from Yahoo. Anyone can register a fake name and email address >> there (or on Hotmail). >> >> Whoever the idiot is, you can bet his name is not Max Stanford. >> I'm thinking someone who has made himself unpopular on the list, >> and is back with an alias messing with people's minds. >> >> We really need to ask Matt to ban anyone who "flames" on this >> list. The "flamer" will probably show up with another alias. >> Thing is to ask Matt to ban anyone who flames another on the list, >> and do not reply to the ignorant dolt. He'll soon get tired of >> being ignored and go away. >> >> -------- >> Dave Bigelow >> Kamuela, Hawaii >> FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI >> >> >> > > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > wiki.matronics.com > > ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:29 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly That will do ok. Stick some weight in the airplane first because angles change with load. I prefer to locate the imaginary centerline of the plane on the garage floor, about 10' in front, then align a chalk line down the tire sidewall to the corresponding mark ten feet out. -Then drill either the hole fixing the leg in the airframe -or in the axle adapter. Perfectly parallel wheels will track just fine. On 5, Jun 2006, at 9:18 AM, David Lehman wrote: > After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle > fittings on my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are > incorrect...- I used the existing mounting holes not realizing that > apparently the holes are drilled by the installer, not Kolb and > consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike...- Now I need to move the > gear up further in the socket and drill new holes... > - > Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?...- If a 5-6' > 5/8" rod is slid in the axle sockets so that the axles are in > alignment and then the mounting holes drilled, is that sufficient?... > - > Thanx... > - > David > > > - > On 6/5/06, Jack B. Hart wrote: --> Kolb-List > message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" < jbhart@onlyinternet.net> >> >> FireFlyer's >> >> Since I bent a landing gear leg I have had ample opportunity to >> adjust wheel >> camber.--The straightened leg survived another landing on a rough >> grass >> field, but camber was lost, and a new leg had to be installed.--I >> found that >> the original leg's OD that fit into the axle assembly was turned >> smaller >> than the new leg.--When I fit the new leg, I found that I had too much >> camber in that the wheel leaned out much to much at the top. >> >> I found my axle bender pipe and this time I took some photos.--If >> you would >> like to see how I made camber adjustments, they can be seen at: >> >> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly126.html >> >> Yesterday there was a fly-in breakfast at my home airport >> (I22).--Rolled the >> FireFly out and I had a fun morning talking to all ages.--It is fun >> to be >> around people who love to fly and love airplanes. >> ======================== ========================= =eatures Navigator >> to browse ics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List"> >> ======================== ========================= =he All New >> Matronics Email List Wiki! >> ======================== =sp;--------- - List >> Contributi------------&nb-> >> http://www.matronic================== ========================= = >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > --"Ultralight flying isn't about transportation; it's about the > magic of pure, simple flight." - Scott Wilcox ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:35 AM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly Thanx Robert... That looks like the easiest way to do it... DVD On 6/5/06, robert bean wrote: > > That will do ok. Stick some weight in the airplane first because > angles change with > load. I prefer to locate the imaginary centerline of the plane on the > garage floor, > about 10' in front, then align a chalk line down the tire sidewall to > the corresponding > mark ten feet out. -Then drill either the hole fixing the leg in the > airframe > -or in the axle adapter. Perfectly parallel wheels will track just > fine. > > On 5, Jun 2006, at 9:18 AM, David Lehman wrote: > > > After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle > > fittings on my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are > > incorrect... I used the existing mounting holes not realizing that > > apparently the holes are drilled by the installer, not Kolb and > > consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike... Now I need to move the > > gear up further in the socket and drill new holes... > > > > Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?... If a 5-6' > > 5/8" rod is slid in the axle sockets so that the axles are in > > alignment and then the mounting holes drilled, is that sufficient?... > > > > Thanx... > > > > David > > > > > > > > On 6/5/06, Jack B. Hart wrote: --> Kolb-List > > message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" < jbhart@onlyinternet.net> > >> > >> FireFlyer's > >> > >> Since I bent a landing gear leg I have had ample opportunity to > >> adjust wheel > >> camber.The straightened leg survived another landing on a rough > >> grass > >> field, but camber was lost, and a new leg had to be installed.I > >> found that > >> the original leg's OD that fit into the axle assembly was turned > >> smaller > >> than the new leg.When I fit the new leg, I found that I had too much > >> camber in that the wheel leaned out much to much at the top. > >> > >> I found my axle bender pipe and this time I took some photos.If > >> you would > >> like to see how I made camber adjustments, they can be seen at: > >> > >> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly126.html > >> > >> Yesterday there was a fly-in breakfast at my home airport > >> (I22).Rolled the > >> FireFly out and I had a fun morning talking to all ages.It is fun > >> to be > >> around people who love to fly and love airplanes. > >> ============================= ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:26 AM PST US From: FS2Kolb@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to the Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer. I would not be in favor of censoring the list. Do not archive. In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes: The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the Challenger group are a better buch than we have here. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:02 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Adjustment of Wheel Camber on a FireFly --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at onlyinternet.net After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle fittings on my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are incorrect... I used the existing mounting holes not realizing that apparently the holes are drilled by the installer, not Kolb and consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike... Now I need to move the gear up further in the socket and drill new holes... Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?... If a 5-6' 5/8" rod is slid in the axle sockets so that the axles are in alignment and then the mounting holes drilled, is that sufficient?... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David, In my case with the FireFly, I initially adjusted the camber with 200 pounds of bagged sand in the seat and the gas tank half full. I kept bending until the wheels were straight up and down and parallel with the load in the seat, with the FireFly standing on its wheels, and after rolling the FireFly forward to seat the wheels. After removing the 200 pounds of sand and rolling the backwards and FORWARDS to seat the wheels I measured the camber and found it to be 2.5 degrees with the top of the wheel away from the fuselage. I am not sure I remember this correctly, but I believe that after the sand was removed the wheels had a barely noticeable slight tow-in. Before I made these adjustments, the FireFly was very squirrelly on hard surfaces, especially so in gusty cross winds. With these adjustments, the FireFly is very stable on the ground and goes where you expect it for a given rudder and stick input. In your case you do not need to move the leg up in the socket and drill a new hole. Leave the leg length exposed the same and align the axle, clamp it in position and drill a new hole slightly above the old one through the socket. I took some photos while I replaced the bent gear leg with a new one. I will try to put them up in the near future. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:10 AM PST US From: "J.D. Stewart" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? There is no Max Stanford on the Challenger list (I'm the owner of it). So, the previous poster is probably correct, in that it's a fake name and address. I doubt he's a Challenger dealer, though. Being a member of both lists for almost a decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is very well behaved. We've had our brawls on the C list, but since I'm right there and have several moderators, we can usually put out the fire pretty fast. Matt can probably track his IP address and find out who he is (I'm an ISP also). J.D. Stewart UltraFun AirSports, LLC http://www.ultrafunairsports.com Challenger e-mail list http://challenger.inebraska.com Titan e-mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of FS2Kolb@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to the Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer. I would not be in favor of censoring the list. Do not archive. In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes: The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the Challenger group are a better buch than we have here. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:04 AM PST US From: "Jim Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly Y'all; A simple method that I use, is to slide a piece of tubing through one axle socket out through the other axle socket. A piece of rigid wall conduit works fine. This will align the axles to the airframe. Drill your mounting holes. I always set camber at 7 degrees with the weight of the aircraft on the wheels. When you set your skinny or fat butt in the aircraft you have about 0 to 2 degrees camber. I always use 0 degrees toe in or toe out. Jim Hauck On 6/5/2006 10:48:09 AM, David Lehman (david@davidlehman.net) wrote: > Thanx Robert... > > That looks like the easiest way to do it... > > DVD > > > On 6/5/06, robert bean mailto:slyck@frontiernet.net]> wrote:That will do ok. Stick some weight > in the airplane first because > angles change with > load. I prefer to locate the imaginary centerline of the plane on the > garage floor, > about > 10' in front, then align a chalk line down the tire sidewall to > the corresponding > mark ten feet out. -Then drill either the hole fixing the leg in the > airframe > -or in the axle adapter. Perfectly parallel wheels will track just > fine. > > On 5, Jun 2006, at 9:18 AM, David Lehman wrote: > > > After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle > > fittings on my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are > > incorrect... I used the existing mounting holes not realizing that > > apparently the holes are drilled by the installer, not Kolb and > > consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike... Now I need to move the > > gear up further in the socket and drill new holes... > > > > Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?... If a 5-6' > > > 5/8" ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:30 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly On the subject of gear legs, having straightened one so far in a neighbor's hydraulic press; Harbor Freight has a 12 ton hydraulic pipe bender for $70 I got one last week for the next time I may need it. It has different size adapters for pipe size. I figure it can easily be adapted to use as a regular press too, for such duties as pushing piston pins, etc. -BB On 5, Jun 2006, at 11:17 AM, Jim Hauck wrote: > Y'all; > - > A simple method that I use, is to slide a piece of tubing through one > axle socket out through the other axle socket. A piece of rigid wall > conduit works fine. > - > This will align the axles to the airframe. > - > Drill your mounting holes. > - > I always set camber at 7 degrees with the weight of the aircraft on > the wheels. > - > When you set your skinny or fat butt in the aircraft you have about 0 > to 2 degrees camber. > - > I always use 0 degrees toe in or toe out. > - > Jim Hauck > On 6/5/2006 10:48:09 AM, David Lehman (david@davidlehman.net) wrote: > > Thanx Robert... > > > > That looks like the easiest way to do it... > > > > DVD > > > > > > On 6/5/06, robert bean > mailto:slyck@frontiernet.net]> wrote:That will do ok.- Stick some > weight > > in the airplane first because > > angles change with > > load.- I prefer to locate the imaginary centerline of the plane on > the > > garage floor, > > about > > 10' in front, then align a chalk line down the tire sidewall to > > the corresponding > > mark ten feet out.- -Then drill either the hole fixing the leg in the > > airframe > > -or in the axle adapter.- Perfectly parallel wheels will track just > > fine. > > > > On 5, Jun 2006, at 9:18 AM, David Lehman wrote: > > > > > After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle > > > fittings on my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are > > > incorrect... I used the existing mounting holes not realizing that > > > apparently the holes are drilled by the installer, not Kolb and > > > consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike... Now I need to move the > > > gear up further in the socket and drill new holes... > > > > > > Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?... If a > 5-6' > > > > > 5/8" ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:47 AM PST US From: "BOB BROCKMAN" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total bunch of whiner with nothing else to do. I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a better airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger. They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here. bob ----- Original Message ----- From: J.D. Stewart To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? There is no Max Stanford on the Challenger list (I'm the owner of it). So, the previous poster is probably correct, in that it's a fake name and address. I doubt he's a Challenger dealer, though. Being a member of both lists for almost a decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is very well behaved. We've had our brawls on the C list, but since I'm right there and have several moderators, we can usually put out the fire pretty fast. Matt can probably track his IP address and find out who he is (I'm an ISP also). J.D. Stewart UltraFun AirSports, LLC http://www.ultrafunairsports.com Challenger e-mail list http://challenger.inebraska.com Titan e-mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of FS2Kolb@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to the Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer. I would not be in favor of censoring the list. Do not archive. In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes: The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the Challenger group are a better buch than we have here. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:41 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: strobes Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the name and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site. Larry, Oregon ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:01 AM PST US From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? Bob: As many often say..... "Don't be too quick to judge." If you have only been on this list a week, you are not getting a representative sample of the value of the list or its contributors. With all due respect to the members of the Challenger list (or any other for that matter) with human beings as participants, the anonymity of the Internet and a host of other factors, the Kolb list is as good or better, overall, than any of them. Granted there are occasional bumps, a few egos to contend with, a few pranksters, a couple of wise guys, and even a couple of town clowns. But on the whole a really great bunch of people who contribute a lot of knowledge (and pleasure) to a lot of us. My view is that the key is to be able to take each message for what it is worth to you as an individual. If it isn't worth your time, hit the delete key or set your filters or whatever it takes. It isn't that much trouble to get to the good stuff. Or if you would rather, you can whine about the whiners and/or go someplace else. George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BOB BROCKMAN Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:57 PM To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total bunch of whiner with nothing else to do. I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a better airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger. They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here. bob ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:31 AM PST US From: "Jim Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: strobes Larry; This is Dicks number Jim KUNTZELMAN ELECTRONICS 610-326-9068 ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Kolb-List: strobes Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the name and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site. Larry, Oregon ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:25 AM PST US From: "Edward Steuber" Subject: Kolb-List: Air bowling I've had this idea of starting a new contest to add to the flour bombing and spot landing events at our local fly-in cook-outs. It could be called Air Bowling . All that would be recquired is a bowling ball and a pin. Put the pin in the middle of the runway and have a designated release point for the ball and your in business. A suitable pin (or pin-head) is the only other thing needed....I was wondering if Max might be available ? Any of you pilots on the Kolb list want to be included as bowlers ? .............sign up early cause I bet there is gonna be a long line.... Ed in Western NY For sure........ Do not archive .... ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:29 AM PST US From: "John Cooley" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: strobes Larry, Here=92s the web address http://www.kestrobes.com/ John Cooley _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Kolb-List: strobes Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the name and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site. Larry, Oregon -- -- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:33 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" George, You took the words right out of my mouth, with the exception of the "town Clowns"! I don't believe we have any of those, with the exception of that English guy "Pat something"! Ha. HA. Wha'd I do with them big rubber feet I always keep around. Wife must be using my make-up! Lost my red nose in Ohio, Ralph! And P.S. THere ain't no way on this green earth that I would rather own anything but a Kolb. Except maby a helicopter. But thats only if I could get it in the air and keep it there. Do not arechive! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38714#38714 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:21 AM PST US From: FS2Kolb@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? In a message dated 6/5/2006 10:59:03 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, packerbeagle@msn.com writes: I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total bunch of whiner with nothing else to do. Hi Bob, Going by your judgmental whinnying, do we meet at Monument Valley and whine all day long with nothing else to do? do no archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:27 AM PST US From: "J.D. Stewart" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: strobes Hi Larry; www.kestrobes.com I'm a dealer for Dick, and can get you a decent price on a set of strobes. The Dual Magnum wingtip strobes normally list at $228~$229.95. I sell them to list members for $214.95 (Non CC price). Shipping is usually right at $10 for most of the US. J.D. Stewart UltraFun AirSports, LLC http://www.ultrafunairsports.com Challenger e-mail list http://challenger.inebraska.com Titan e-mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:17 PM To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: strobes Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the name and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site. Larry, Oregon ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:36 AM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Air bowling Hi Ed, Air bowling in the summer is a great idea. In the winter, it's downright scary. The dang ball bounces back at you, looks like it's coming back into the cabin! Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Steuber To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Air bowling I've had this idea of starting a new contest to add to the flour bombing and spot landing events at our local fly-in cook-outs. It could be called Air Bowling . All that would be recquired is a bowling ball and a pin. Put the pin in the middle of the runway and have a designated release point for the ball and your in business. A suitable pin (or pin-head) is the only other thing needed....I was wondering if Max might be available ? Any of you pilots on the Kolb list want to be included as bowlers ? .............sign up early cause I bet there is gonna be a long line.... Ed in Western NY For sure........ Do not archive .... ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:30 AM PST US From: "Guillermo Uribe" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: strobes These are the type of strobes I installed in my FireStar II http://www.kestrobes.com/CUSTOMERS_INSTALLATIONS.html _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: Kolb-List: strobes Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the name and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site. Larry, Oregon ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:29 PM PST US From: "Chris Mallory" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? Well, I'll be damned ........... Max Stanford is back, This time as Bob Brockman. do not archive I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total bunch of whiner with nothing else to do. I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a better airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger. They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here. bob ----- Original Message ----- From: J.D. Stewart To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? There is no Max Stanford on the Challenger list (I'm the owner of it). So, the previous poster is probably correct, in that it's a fake name and address. I doubt he's a Challenger dealer, though. Being a member of both lists for almost a decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is very well behaved. We've had our brawls on the C list, but since I'm right there and have several moderators, we can usually put out the fire pretty fast. Matt can probably track his IP address and find out who he is (I'm an ISP also). J.D. Stewart UltraFun AirSports, LLC http://www.ultrafunairsports.com Challenger e-mail list http://challenger.inebraska.com Titan e-mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of FS2Kolb@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to the Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer. I would not be in favor of censoring the list. Do not archive. In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes: The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the Challenger group are a better buch than we have here. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:53 PM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: Kolb-List: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" People leave unique signatures when they compose. The phrases they choose to use, the way they say things, and how they say it. There aren't many posts and they were both short but there are a lot of signatures in Bob's two posts. While one signature doesn't point to anyone necessarily multiple distinct signatures can. Sounds like a group of boys with toys that need to grow up. I'm out of this whiney bunch. I doubt if you'd help each other unless you could criticize the other guy for what ever he did wrong. I make by a Kolb but, I won't deal with this group. Challanger people are VERY different but, then they don't seem to have ATTITUDES! have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total bunch of whiner with nothing else to do. I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a better airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger. They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here. bob Is Bob a real person.... Yes he is... Is he a Challenger owner like he claims... I don't think he could misspell the name of plane he owns do you? Who makes multiple posts before anyone replys? Who else writes with such emotion? Who uses the phrase "I'm out" Who used the phrase "sounds like" Who capitalizes "VERY" Who Uses won't and never uses wont. Who uses the phrase "I'll go with" Who ends the sentence with a capitalized phrase? Who writes with emotion... Perhaps the most interesting signature is Who misspells "what ever" I have some answers. "what ever" http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=54448863?KEYS=what_ever?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=5?SERIAL=1255569832?SHOWBUTTONS=YES "I'll go with" http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=27251762?KEYS=i'll_go_with?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=4?SERIAL=13094617391?SHOWBUTTONS=YES I'm out http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=19380455?KEYS=i'm_out?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=25?SERIAL=1253258855?SHOWBUTTONS=YES "VERY" - in caps http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=53073590?KEYS=planecra?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=32?SERIAL=13013413671?SHOWBUTTONS=YES "Capitolized phrase ending a sentence" http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=54484571?KEYS=planecrazz?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=17?SERIAL=13112817998?SHOWBUTTONS=YES "Sounds Like" http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=42850253?KEYS=sounds_like?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=169?SERIAL=1137167544?SHOWBUTTONS=YES http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=42850253?KEYS=sounds_like?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=169?SERIAL=1137167544?SHOWBUTTONS=YES Please don't create new email accounts, my filters wont automatically delete your posts. I have way too much time!! >From: "Chris Mallory" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:00:00 -0400 > >Well, I'll be damned ........... Max Stanford is back, This time as Bob >Brockman. > >do not archive > > > I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total >bunch of whiner with nothing else to do. > I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a >better >airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger. > They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here. > bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J.D. Stewart > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:06 AM > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? > > > There is no Max Stanford on the Challenger list (I'm the owner of >it). So, the previous poster is probably correct, in that it's a fake name >and address. I doubt he's a Challenger dealer, though. Being a member of >both lists for almost a decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is very well >behaved. We've had our brawls on the C list, but since I'm right there and >have several moderators, we can usually put out the fire pretty fast. > Matt can probably track his IP address and find out who he is (I'm >an ISP also). > J.D. Stewart > UltraFun AirSports, LLC > http://www.ultrafunairsports.com > Challenger e-mail list > http://challenger.inebraska.com > Titan e-mail list > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of FS2Kolb@aol.com > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:53 AM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? > > > Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to >the >Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer. > > I would not be in favor of censoring the list. > > Do not archive. > > In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes: > The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the >Challenger group are a better buch than we have here. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:39 PM PST US From: "George Myers" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... By Jove....I think he's got it! -------Original Message------- From: David Key Subject: Kolb-List: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" People leave unique signatures when they compose. The phrases they choos e to use, the way they say things, and how they say it. There aren't many posts and they were both short but there are a lot of signatures in Bob's two posts. While one signature doesn't point to anyone necessarily multip le distinct signatures can. Sounds like a group of boys with toys that need to grow up. I'm out of th is whiney bunch. I doubt if you'd help each other unless you could criticize the other guy for what ever he did wrong. I make by a Kolb but, I won't deal with this group. Challanger people are VERY different but, then they don't seem to have ATTITUDES! have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total bunc h of whiner with nothing else to do. I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a better airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger. They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here. bob Is Bob a real person.... Yes he is... Is he a Challenger owner like he claims... I don't think he could misspel l the name of plane he owns do you? Who makes multiple posts before anyone replys? Who else writes with such emotion? Who uses the phrase "I'm out" Who used the phrase "sounds like" Who capitalizes "VERY" Who Uses won't and never uses wont. Who uses the phrase "I'll go with" Who ends the sentence with a capitalized phrase? Who writes with emotion... Perhaps the most interesting signature is Who misspells "what ever" I have some answers. "what ever" http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script cgi?INDEX=54448863?KEYS=what_ever?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=5?SERIA L=1255569832 SHOWBUTTONS=YES "I'll go with" http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=27251762?KEY S=i ll_go_with?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=4?SERIAL=13094617391?SHOWBUTTONS =YES I'm out http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=19380455?KEY S=i m_out?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=25?SERIAL=1253258855?SHOWBUTTONS=YE S "VERY" - in caps http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script cgi?INDEX=53073590?KEYS=planecra?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=32?SERIA L=1301341367 ?SHOWBUTTONS=YES "Capitolized phrase ending a sentence" http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script cgi?INDEX=54484571?KEYS=planecrazz?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=17?SER IAL=13112817 98?SHOWBUTTONS=YES "Sounds Like" http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script cgi?INDEX=42850253?KEYS=sounds_like?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=169?S ERIAL=113716 544?SHOWBUTTONS=YES http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script cgi?INDEX=42850253?KEYS=sounds_like?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=169?S ERIAL=113716 544?SHOWBUTTONS=YES Please don't create new email accounts, my filters wont automatically del ete your posts. I have way too much time!! >From: "Chris Mallory" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:00:00 -0400 > >Well, I'll be damned ........... Max Stanford is back, This time as Bo b >Brockman. > >do not archive > > > I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a tota l >bunch of whiner with nothing else to do. > I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a >better >airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger. > They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that he re. > bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J.D. Stewart > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:06 AM > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? > > > There is no Max Stanford on the Challenger list (I'm the owner of >it). So, the previous poster is probably correct, in that it's a fake n ame >and address. I doubt he's a Challenger dealer, though. Being a member of >both lists for almost a decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is very well >behaved. We've had our brawls on the C list, but since I'm right there and >have several moderators, we can usually put out the fire pretty fast. > Matt can probably track his IP address and find out who he is ( I'm >an ISP also). > J.D. Stewart > UltraFun AirSports, LLC > http://www.ultrafunairsports.com > Challenger e-mail list > http://challenger.inebraska.com > Titan e-mail list > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of FS2Kolb@aol.co m > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:53 AM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? > > > Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to >the >Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer. > > I would not be in favor of censoring the list. > > Do not archive. > > In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes: > The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the >Challenger group are a better buch than we have here. ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:27 PM PST US From: "Chris Mallory" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... Good work, it's all starting to make sence now. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Myers To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... By Jove....I think he's got it! -------Original Message------- From: David Key Date: 06/05/06 15:38:04 To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" People leave unique signatures when they compose. The phrases they choose to use, the way they say things, and how they say it. There aren't many posts and they were both short but there are a lot of signatures in Bob's two posts. While one signature doesn't point to anyone necessarily multiple distinct signatures can. Sounds like a group of boys with toys that need to grow up. I'm out of this whiney bunch. I doubt if you'd help each other unless you could criticize the other guy for what ever he did wrong. I make by a Kolb but, I won't deal with this group. Challanger people are VERY different but, then they don't seem to have ATTITUDES! have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total bunch of whiner with nothing else to do. I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a better airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger. They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here. bob Is Bob a real person.... Yes he is... Is he a Challenger owner like he claims... I don't think he could misspell the name of plane he owns do you? Who makes multiple posts before anyone replys? Who else writes with such emotion? Who uses the phrase "I'm out" Who used the phrase "sounds like" Who capitalizes "VERY" Who Uses won't and never uses wont. Who uses the phrase "I'll go with" Who ends the sentence with a capitalized phrase? Who writes with emotion... Perhaps the most interesting signature is Who misspells "what ever" I have some answers. "what ever" http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=54448863?KEYS=what_ever?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=5?SERIAL=1255569832?SHOWBUTTONS=YES "I'll go with" http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=27251762?KEYS=i'll_go_with?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=4?SERIAL=13094617391?SHOWBUTTONS=YES I'm out http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=19380455?KEYS=i'm_out?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=25?SERIAL=1253258855?SHOWBUTTONS=YES "VERY" - in caps http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=53073590?KEYS=planecra?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=32?SERIAL=13013413671?SHOWBUTTONS=YES "Capitolized phrase ending a sentence" http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=54484571?KEYS=planecrazz?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=17?SERIAL=13112817998?SHOWBUTTONS=YES "Sounds Like" http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=42850253?KEYS=sounds_like?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=169?SERIAL=1137167544?SHOWBUTTONS=YES http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=42850253?KEYS=sounds_like?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=169?SERIAL=1137167544?SHOWBUTTONS=YES Please don't create new email accounts, my filters wont automatically delete your posts. I have way too much time!! >From: "Chris Mallory" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:00:00 -0400 > >Well, I'll be damned ........... Max Stanford is back, This time as Bob >Brockman. > >do not archive > > > > I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total >bunch of whiner with nothing else to do. > I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a >better >airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger. > They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here. > bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J.D. Stewart > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:06 AM > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? > > > There is no Max Stanford on the Challenger list (I'm the owner of >it). So, the previous poster is probably correct, in that it's a fake name >and address. I doubt he's a Challenger dealer, though. Being a member of >both lists for almost a decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is very well >behaved. We've had our brawls on the C list, but since I'm right there and >have several moderators, we can usually put out the fire pretty fast. > Matt can probably track his IP address and find out who he is (I'm >an ISP also). > J.D. Stewart > UltraFun AirSports, LLC > http://www.ultrafunairsports.com > Challenger e-mail list > http://challenger.inebraska.com > Titan e-mail list > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of FS2Kolb@aol.com > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:53 AM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? > > > Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to >the >Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer. > > I would not be in favor of censoring the list. > > Do not archive. > > In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >maxstanford77@yahoo.com writes: > The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the >Challenger group are a better buch than we have here. ===================================== he Kolb-List Email Forum - ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ===================================== sp; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - nics.com ===================================== sp; - List Contribution Web Site - sp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. //www.matronics.com/contribution ===================================== ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:28 PM PST US From: Flycrazy8@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: # 1 Firefly Does anyone know when the First Firefly kit was sold ? (sorry no prize for the correct answer ) Jim in Rocky Ford seems to have # 35 Firefly in 1998. I have the # 35 Firefly in 2003 . .... Kolb seems to start over every year with the I D #. What say You ? Stephen Kolb Firefly 03035 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:16 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? From: "Max Stanford" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Max Stanford" [quote="Bob Brockman I'll go with the Challenger. They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here. bob [/quote] I agree with you 100 % Bob, you are the third person in a few days to make the observation of how much nicer the Challenger people are. The people here in the Kolb list are in such denial they will probably accuse you of being someone else or trying to sell Challengers also. I am frankly tired of seeing this group of guys ganging up on anyone that disagrees or offends anyone in their little clique. For years they have demanded that others show respect and be on their best behavior, while ignoring some of the worst posts and attacks ever seen on this list by members of their own little group. I have never seen any other group try to intimidate and run people off the list like the Kolb group has. Not all the Kolb people are guilty of doing this, but there is a small, very vocal group that has made the entire Kolb community look bad. The Challenger list has a far better group of guys that welcome others, and treat them with respect even if you are not a member of their clique. They most definitely do not gang up and try to intimidate others even when a disagreement arises. And to answer your question, no I do not sell Challengers, the people here on the Kolb list do a better job of selling people on Challengers than I ever could. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38783#38783 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: # 1 Firefly From: Herb Gayheart Old Kolb sn's vs The New Kolb sn's I think? I have sn FF03200032 from TNK. Herb On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:03:42 EDT Flycrazy8@aol.com writes: Does anyone know when the First Firefly kit was sold ? (sorry no prize for the correct answer ) Jim in Rocky Ford seems to have # 35 Firefly in 1998. I have the # 35 Firefly in 2003 . .... Kolb seems to start over every year with the I D #. What say You ? Stephen Kolb Firefly 03035 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:49 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Hey Dohkey, Keep me outa your Witch hunt.... I like big Lar, we talk off list all the time....I wouldn't say those things about him.... I tried to do a reverse email search to find out "who" this Max is...No luck If your trying to find "clues"....Find out who makes LOOOONG post... I can't type , so I keep it short... I see your still pissed off about the Joke " practice at the Great Salt Lake ( But watch out for those mountains on the edges) He he he It was a JOKE..... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38788#38788 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:26 PM PST US From: "Chris Mallory" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" Max, According to your post you have been lurking on this list for years ......... why? Seems like you don't have anything positive to add to this list. Are you some kind of self appointed "Hall Monitor? In all likelihood you don't own an airplane of any kind and don't have anywhere where you actually "fit in" so you lurk, pretending to be part of something that you can't. Please do yourself a favor and get away from all of these horrible people before they taint you. You don't seem to like anyone here (except maybe Bob, who is just a carbon copy butthead just like you) and we sure as hell don't like you, we don't even like you just reading what we write, so go somewhere ...... the Challenger list is good, the Jiffy store, Walmart, anywhere .... just not here. Bye Bye now ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Stanford" Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Max Stanford" > > [quote="Bob Brockman > I'll go with the Challenger. > They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here. > bob > [/quote] > > I agree with you 100 % Bob, you are the third person in a few days to make > the observation of how much nicer the Challenger people are. The people > here in the Kolb list are in such denial they will probably accuse you of > being someone else or trying to sell Challengers also. I am frankly tired > of seeing this group of guys ganging up on anyone that disagrees or > offends anyone in their little ?oclique?. For years they have > demanded that others show respect and be on their best behavior, while > ignoring some of the worst posts and attacks ever seen on this list by > members of their own little group. I have never seen any other group try > to intimidate and run people off the list like the Kolb group has. Not > all the Kolb people are guilty of doing this, but there is a small, very > vocal group that has made the entire Kolb community look bad. > > The Challenger list has a far better group of guys that welcome others, > and treat them with respect even if you are not a member of their > ?oclique?. They most definitely do not gang up and try to intimidate > others even when a disagreement arises. And to answer your question, no I > do not sell Challengers, the people here on the Kolb list do a better job > of selling people on Challengers than I ever could. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38783#38783 > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:26 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Hey Max, You Bastage From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Thanks alot Max, You got these Witch Hunters on my back..... I don't know WHY Matt doesn't treat your ass like spam and flush the toilet. Kiss My Azz, Mike in MN Your probly just another wantabe....just pissed off that you CAN'T Tell ya the truth, I find it hard to believe that ANY list would put up with you for long....I've had MY fill -------- .. .. .. .. .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38791#38791 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:06 PM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: Kolb-List: MaxStanford = JetPilot --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" It's in. Max Stanford = JetPilot BOB BROCKMAN = PlaneCrazzy (mike) I'm not going to spend much time on this anymore. Signatures are; Attacks http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=53243257?KEYS=attacks?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=5?SERIAL=1702581919?SHOWBUTTONS=YES Talks about organized groups which attack http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=53098642?KEYS=attacks?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=14?SERIAL=1702581919?SHOWBUTTONS=YES >From: "Max Stanford" >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:16:47 -0700 > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Max Stanford" > >[quote="Bob Brockman >I'll go with the Challenger. > They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here. > bob > [/quote] > >I agree with you 100 % Bob, you are the third person in a few days to make >the observation of how much nicer the Challenger people are. The people >here in the Kolb list are in such denial they will probably accuse you of >being someone else or trying to sell Challengers also. I am frankly tired >of seeing this group of guys ganging up on anyone that disagrees or offends >anyone in their little clique. For years they have demanded that >others show respect and be on their best behavior, while ignoring some of >the worst posts and attacks ever seen on this list by members of their own >little group. I have never seen any other group try to intimidate and run >people off the list like the Kolb group has. Not all the Kolb people are >guilty of doing this, but there is a small, very vocal group that has made >the entire Kolb community look bad. > >The Challenger list has a far better group of guys that welcome others, and >treat them with respect even if you are not a member of their clique. > They most definitely do not gang up and try to intimidate others even >when a disagreement arises. And to answer your question, no I do not sell >Challengers, the people here on the Kolb list do a better job of selling >people on Challengers than I ever could. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38783#38783 > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bob, Max it all gets so confusing... From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" Hey, I'm not feelin no LOOOOOOOVE here! I thought thtat the Matronix Rules and regulations disallow anyone using a "potty mouthed" language when posting? I believe that MAX completed his thesis on "how hard is it to rile the feathers of normally nice relaxed fliers. I also believe he had help in the heat and the rain that we have faced here in the U.S. as of late. Makes you wonder, don't it? Perplexed in Ohio Ralph! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38807#38807 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:41 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Enough! - READ THIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay Kolb listers, this flame war has got to stop NOW. Looking back over that last few days there have been virtually no messages about KOLBS. Here is a quote from the List Usage Guidelines: "- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level..." That's the very first rule! But here is another rule that is perhaps the most important in my opinion: "- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing." This whole discussion regarding Lar, Max, and Mike (sort of), totally violates both of these rules. Guys, you all know that I like to take a very hands-off approach to running the Lists and I abhor the idea of List moderation. I don't want to ban anyone from the List or otherwise block certain people. We are all adults here and know what the rules are. Straighten up and fly right. I do not want to see anymore flame posts or other non-constructive discussions. This is a forum about Kolb building and flying, not a conduit for venting or picking fights. I also thought I saw some pretty inappropriate language in a couple of posts. I didn't look closely, but you know who you are. Unacceptable. Effective immediately following the complete distribution of this message, I am going to put a 5-day email posting ban on anyone that continues this flaming trend of dialog regarding Lar, Max, Mike or anyone else. You've been warned. Its a lot of work for me to keep track of, but I don't know how else to put the kibosh on this. Kolb discussions, please. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Folded wing dolly. From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" Someone in the past posted some pictures of their Kolb side-by-side with wings folded and a dolly which cradled the wings and the main tube. The plane was White with Green and Purple. I would like to get some more info on this, such as dimensions. The base tube appears to be 2" square steel and the supports appear to be White PVC somewhere around 4" cut in half. I tried the search using "dolly", "tube", and other words with no success. So someone wouldn't thing I had a hankerin of lazy about me. Any help out there. I want to make one. Likin-what-I-see here from Ohio Ralph Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38817#38817 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:42 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: # 1 Firefly --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" At 07:03 PM 6/5/06 EDT, you wrote: > Does anyone know when the First >Firefly kit was sold ? (sorry no prize >for the correct answer ) Jim in Rocky >Ford seems to have # 35 Firefly in >1998. I have the # 35 Firefly in 2003 . >.... Kolb seems to start over every >year with the I D #. What say You ? >Stephen Kolb Firefly 03035 Stephen, The cashier's check for FF004 was dated May 18, 1995. Received Kit A before September 14, 1995 Kit C was shipped October, 12, 1995 I was a little slow getting it together so its first flight was 09/09/99. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:36 PM PST US From: "Bob Dalton" Subject: Kolb-List: MV06' Good evening all, I would like to post a couple more MV06' pictures, hope all is well with everyone. Thanks again for all your friendships and years of fun on the list. As someone had mentioned earlier, I look forward to reading the "Kolb" list each and every day. Take care, Bob D. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:43 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Enough! - READ THIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Yo Matt, Thanks! You are the "Homer" of Email List Administrators and highly regarded by us all. Thanks again for providing a quality forum for us. PS Is that keeping it "kolb related" enough? :^) ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:54 PM PST US From: "Charles Davis" Subject: Kolb-List: Great Weekend Well, I didn't pilot, but I got to fly...if the pictures come through, they are of the nose of a B17. The first on the ground, and the 2d about 1000' over eastern PA. (look past the Norton bombsight...). We also got to see a Canadian Lancaster fly, one of only 2 in the world. I see in Sport Aviation that it'll be at Air Venture, and I would recommend it. To keep this Kolb related: on the to the way to the Reading, PA WWII Weekend Airshow, we stopped at KPTW for the EAA chapter's annual pancake breakfast, and were pleased to find Homer enjoying the food and the sights. He confirmed that he is tinkering with some designs for multi-engined single and 2 place planes, but only for his own enjoyment. Chuck Malvern, PA Firefly ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:00 PM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADjustme of Wheel Camber on a FireFly Thanx Jack and Jim... I used a pickup truck bed partition, the tubular affair that you twist to tighten against the sides of the bed, fortunately for me the ends are 5/8.. .. Thanx again... DVD On 6/5/06, Jim Hauck wrote: > > Y'all; > > A simple method that I use, is to slide a piece of tubing through one axl e > socket out through the other axle socket. A piece of rigid wall conduit > works fine. > > This will align the axles to the airframe. > > Drill your mounting holes. > > I always set camber at 7 degrees with the weight of the aircraft on the > wheels. > > When you set your skinny or fat butt in the aircraft you have about 0 to 2 > degrees camber. > > I always use 0 degrees toe in or toe out. > > Jim Hauck > On 6/5/2006 10:48:09 AM, David Lehman (david@davidlehman.net) wrote: > > Thanx Robert... > > > > That looks like the easiest way to do it... > > > > DVD > > > > > > On 6/5/06, robert bean > mailto:slyck@frontiernet.net ]> wrote:That will > do ok. Stick some weight > > > in the airplane first because > > angles change with > > load. I prefer to locate the imaginary centerline of the plane on the > > garage floor, > > about > > 10' in front, then align a chalk line down the tire sidewall to > > the corresponding > > mark ten feet out. -Then drill either the hole fixing the leg in the > > airframe > > -or in the axle adapter. Perfectly parallel wheels will track just > > fine. > > > > On 5, Jun 2006, at 9:18 AM, David Lehman wrote: > > > > > After installing replacement (not new) gear legs and gear/axle > > > fittings on my early Firestar, both my camber and caster are > > > incorrect... I used the existing mounting holes not realizing that > > > apparently the holes are drilled by the installer, not Kolb and > > > consequently, no two Kolbs will be alike... Now I need to move the > > > gear up further in the socket and drill new holes... > > > > > > Question is, what is the criteria for aligning the gear?... If a 5-6' > > > > > 5/8" > -- "Ultralight flying isn't about transportation; it's about the ma gic of pure, simple flight." - Scott Wilcox ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:15 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Preservation oil In a message dated 6/4/2006 12:06:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, kinnepix@earthlink.net writes: I've not read the Rotax manual so I can't even comment on that. But "cm" is centimeter, just under half an inch, a measure of distance. "ccm" is a cubic centimeter, a cube 1 cm on a side, a measure of volume. Some difference! Confusing in that Rotax says "ccm" in one place and "cm3" in another -- two ways of saying the same thing. do not archive Russ. I though it meant cubic centimeter , but was not sure. I think 3 ccm would be about like a teaspoon full. That is what I am going to try. Ed ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:30 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: strobes Thanks, got them on order. Larry, Ore. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cooley To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: strobes Larry, Here=92s the web address http://www.kestrobes.com/ John Cooley ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:17 PM To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: strobes Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the name and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site. Larry, Oregon -- 6/2/2006 -- 6/2/2006 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:56 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: strobes oops! already got them on order from web page. Thanks for the offer though. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: J.D. Stewart To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: strobes Hi Larry; www.kestrobes.com I'm a dealer for Dick, and can get you a decent price on a set of strobes. The Dual Magnum wingtip strobes normally list at $228~$229.95. I sell them to list members for $214.95 (Non CC price). Shipping is usually right at $10 for most of the US. J.D. Stewart UltraFun AirSports, LLC http://www.ultrafunairsports.com Challenger e-mail list http://challenger.inebraska.com Titan e-mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:17 PM To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: strobes Is Dick Kunselman still monitoring the list? Since I am recovering my firestar, I might as well put some strobes in the wings. I goggled the name and found some hits but nothing that would lead me to his web site. Larry, Oregon ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:06 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? In a message dated 6/5/2006 11:59:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, packerbeagle@msn.com writes: They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that here. bob Bob, If you had been around for longer than a week You would know that I for one have been helped more than you can imagine, from people on this list. If the Kolb list is so bad, Why do you and others reply to it, instead of the Challenger list. I wouldn't want want to be associated with a group, If I felt like you say You do. It sounds to me like You and a few others are upset cause you dont have a Kolb ! Ed ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:12 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Where's the love? 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