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1. 06:29 AM - boom tube dolly (boyd)
2. 06:46 AM - My Pictures (Larry Bourne)
3. 07:16 AM - Re: My Pictures (Richard Pike)
4. 07:32 AM - Re: boom tube dolly (robert bean)
5. 07:40 AM - q (russ kinne)
6. 07:51 AM - Re: Tie Down Suggestions (David Paule)
7. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Tie Down Suggestions (John Hauck)
8. 08:54 AM - Re: Tie Down Suggestions (TheWanderingWench)
9. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Tie Down Suggestions (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
10. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Tie Down Suggestions (Jim Baker)
11. 09:25 AM - Response to Will Uribe's ? about tail wheel troubles after MV (Long story) (TheWanderingWench)
12. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Tie Down (Vince Hallam)
13. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Tie Down Suggestions (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
14. 02:15 PM - Re: Tie Down Suggestions (planecrazzzy)
15. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: Tie Down Suggestions (russ kinne)
16. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Tie Down Suggestions (Richard Pike)
17. 04:19 PM - Re: My Pictures (ron wehba)
18. 04:53 PM - [ Will Uribe ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
19. 06:13 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 06/13/06 (Larry Rice)
20. 06:44 PM - Re: Tie Down Suggestions (planecrazzzy)
21. 07:01 PM - Re: boom tube dolly (GALEN SHIRLEY)
22. 07:03 PM - Re: boom tube dolly (GALEN SHIRLEY)
23. 07:05 PM - Re: boom tube dolly (GALEN SHIRLEY)
24. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Tie Down Suggestions (John Hauck)
25. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 06/13/06 (Eugene Zimmerman)
26. 07:17 PM - Re: Response to Will Uribe's ? about tail wheel troubles after MV (Long story) (Guillermo Uribe)
27. 07:40 PM - Re: boom tube dolly (Larry Cottrell)
28. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 06/13/06 (Richard Pike)
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I just saw a picture in the photo gallary of a boom tube dolly made by erich
weaver.
I could not get an e-mail to go thru to him. Did not see on the list
either.
Anybody got an idea of what the saddle is made of?
Thanks
Galen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erics boom tube dolly is a plastic irrigation Saddle that fits the 6 inch
pipe and has a 2 inch pipe thread outlet.. When in the trailer it is
attached to some type of attachment that goes to the floor of his trailer.
during loading and unloading he screws a wheel into the pipe thread attach
point.. To try and find the saddle I would try a sprinkler / irrigation
supplier.
Boyd
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I've received an email from a Kolb List-er who can't get the pictures on
my webpages. He gets the text OK, but only 1 or 2 pics per page. Has
anyone else had this problem ?? Everything seems to work fine for me.
Thanks Lar. Do not Archive.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I didn't check all the pages, but the ones I looked at were OK.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Larry Bourne wrote:
> I've received an email from a Kolb List-er who can't get the pictures
> on my webpages. He gets the text OK, but only 1 or 2 pics per page.
> Has anyone else had this problem ?? Everything seems to work fine for
> me. Thanks Lar. Do not Archive.
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| Subject: | Re: boom tube dolly |
That is called a "saddle tee" -should be available at any plumbing
supply.
do not archive
On 15, Jun 2006, at 9:24 AM, boyd wrote:
>
> I just saw a picture in the photo gallary of a boom tube dolly made by
> erich weaver.
>
> I could not get an e-mail to go thru to him.- Did not see on the
list
> either.
>
> -Anybody got an idea of what the saddle is made of?
>
> Thanks
>
> Galen
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Erics boom tube dolly is a plastic irrigation- Saddle that fits the
6
> inch pipe and has a 2 inch pipe thread outlet=85.- When in the
trailer
> it is attached to some type of attachment that goes to the floor of
> his trailer=85- during loading and unloading he screws a wheel into
the
> pipe thread attach point=85.- To try and find the saddle I would try
a
> sprinkler / irrigation- supplier.
>
>
> Boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Any Kolbers in Traverse City Mich? 0r the Denver area? --pls contact me
Thanx
Russ Kinne
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Down Suggestions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
On my Cessna Skywagon, I use two stakes, plain straight rods with sharpened
ends, about 18' long, at each location. They are pounded into the ground so
they cross - there's a bracket that holds them in that position. Simple and
works a charm.
The stakes are titanium; it's the best combination of strength and
lightness.
The aluminum bracket has a hole for the rope to the wing.
Here's what I've learned at Boulder Airport, watching airplanes get blown
over in our high winds.
These things not what most people do. Most people do it wrong.
1. Rope stretch lets the airplane bounce around, and the dynamic overloads
break the airplane loose. Here's how to avoid that:
a) Make the ropes out of polyester. One of the marine ropes like Sta-Set is
excellent. Do not use nylon or polypropylene ropes or straps. It's too
stretchy. If possible, double up on the ropes.
b) Tie the ropes tight! I mean so tight that when you're pulling on them,
the airplane squeaks.
c) Tie the wing tiedowns first, then pull the plane back with the tail one.
That makes the ropes tighter.
d) Don't tie the ropes over the strut - tie them so that they can't possibly
slip down and pull the strut out of column.
2. Orientation is important. If you can predict where the wind will come
from, place the plane so that it's a quartering headwind. Sideways is okay.
Head into the wind is bad, because that way the wing will work, and the
possibility of dynamic overloads is high. Don't have the wind coming from
behind at all, because of the potential for control surface damage.
Got a question now - how do y'all tie the ropes to the wings? On my
Firestar, there's no tiedown points.
Thanks!
Dave Paule
Boulder, CO
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Down Suggestions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Firestar, there's no tiedown points.
|
| Thanks!
| Dave Paule
| Boulder, CO
Dave:
Use the bottom tang on the upper lift strut tang to weld a sturdy
ring. I use a FS starter rope ring, but found out at Moab, UT, last
year, that it may need to be a bit stronger. Wind pulled hard enough
to elongate the ring on both wings. ;-(
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Down Suggestions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
First - what a great list! So many responses to my
question.
David Paule wrote:
"I use two stakes, plain straight rods with
sharpened ends, about
18' long. They are pounded into the ground so
they cross - there's
a bracket that holds them in that position. The
stakes are
titanium..."
I've seen these and they seem perfect. Where are they
available? Your description is similar to Lar's -
although he describes a "ring" rather than a bracket.
Jack Hart-
Thanks for the detailed tie down info you put on your
webpage. Your dog spiral fix looks very good. I also
came across some tie downs from Aircraft Spruce (their
MAS Tie Down System) which are a coiled variation of
the dog tie downs. They weigh 4 lbs. - the least I've
seen so far.
J.D. Stewart-
Randy is incredibly busy and I don't know if he's
making tie downs right now. And since I need them for
an upcming flight, I put out my message to the Kolb
list.
Will Uribe and David Lehman-
The Claws (8 lbs.) and Fly Ties (6 lbs.) are not only
heavy, but also look pretty bulky. So I decided to
look further.
Again - thanks to all of you for your responses. The
one that appeals most to me is the suggestion to just
keep flying and not bother tying down at all!
Arty
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Down Suggestions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
Dave:
Know them Skywagons are big, heavy craft but I hope you meant 18 inches (")
and not 18 feet (').
George
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Paule
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:51 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tie Down Suggestions
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
On my Cessna Skywagon, I use two stakes, plain straight rods with sharpened
ends, about 18' long, at each location. They are pounded into the ground so
they cross - there's a bracket that holds them in that position. Simple and
works a charm.
<<<SNIP>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Down Suggestions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
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> | Got a question now - how do y'all tie the ropes to the wings? On my
Why not just replace the lift strut pin with an AN44 or AN45 eye
bolt? Same tensile strength. Carabiner or other similar
attachment can be used to connect to the eye hole.....
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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| Subject: | Response to Will Uribe's ? about tail wheel troubles after |
MV (Long story)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
--- Guillermo Uribe <WillUribe@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guillermo Uribe"
> <WillUribe@aol.com>
>
> Hi Arty,
> Did you have any more problems with your tail wheel
> after you left MV?
>
> Regards,
> Will Uribe
> FireStar II N4GU
> El Paso, TX
For those of you who weren't aware, I went through 2
tail wheels getting to MV and Dennis Kriby was
generous enough to give me a 3rd tail wheel when I was
there. So - here's "The REST of the Story."
After leaving MV, Doug Nelsen (Sky Raider) and I
(Maxair Drifter) flew southwest to Page, AZ, which is
right on Lake Powell. The busiest airport I've ever
flown into - lots and lots of scenic charter flights
going in and out. But we got in and out just fine,
and continued on to red rim rock country in Kanab, UT
- we could get a peek at the Grand Canyon to the south
(Doug was up at 11,000' MSL.) About 20 miles out the
wind came up, and I really fought for control for the
rest of this leg. Winds were absolutely calm at the
ground at Kanab, and I made a perfect landing - then
was shocked by a sudden ground loop! When I tried to
straighten out and turn onto the taxiway, I couldn't
turn. I radio'd Doug to go around, jumped out and saw
that the tailwheel horn had broken in half! So I got
on the radio again, asked Doug to keep circling until
I could get off the active runway, and pushed, heaved,
grunted and groaned that fully loaded Drifter onto the
taxiway.
As we were working on a repair, Bill Herren, a
Luscombe pilot who had been at Monument Valley heard
me on the radio telling Doug I'd lost my tailwheel.
Although he was headed in a completely different
direction, he diverted to Kanab Airport to see if he
could be any help. And two other fellows (John and
his son) who had been at Monument Valley were driving
by on their way home, saw my Drifter tied down, and
also stopped.
I had a spring-driven steerable tailwheel. The "field
repair" that Doug figured out was to make it
completely immoveable - which meant turning was very
difficult on the ground. I could make very wide,
sweeping turnssometimes, depending on the wind.
After we left Kanab, we flew north, past Colorado City
on our way to Hurricane and then Cedar City, UT. We
were about 12 miles past Colorado City when my EGTs
spiked and I lost RPMs. I put down in a gigantic
"pasture" (cows, but no grass, just scattered
sagebrush.) Doug circled several times and then
landed. I called Joel Jacobson, my Rotax mechanic
(thank heavens for cell phones) and he said it sounded
like a stretched diaphragm in the fuel pump. Well, I
had brought along a spare fuel pump.
As we were changing it out, a small helicopter circled
and landed. Out got a county sheriff. He examined
our planes very closely, especially Doug's, which is
fully enclosed. Seems that he'd gotten a number of
calls from folks who had seen Doug circling and
thought we were trying to smuggle in "the prophet"
Warren Jeffs - a polygamist who's been on the FBI most
wanted list for over a year, and is from Colorado
City. Reassured that there was no room in either of
our ultralights for 2 people, he took our names,
birthdates, and phone numbers and left.
Changing out the fuel pump seemed to do the job, and
we took off. As we got near Hurricane, we got the
mother of all tail winds! My air speed indicated was
60 mph- my GPS was showing 103 mph! But it was
steady. Sixteen miles out of Cedar City we got caught
by a rain squall. No way around it. Good visibility,
but the rain was painful, painful, painful! Facial
acupuncture. Doug was up front and kept radio'ing -
"Are you o.k.? Do you want to land?" I had my left
arm over my face for some protection, and I said,
"Just keep flying!" We finally landed at Cedar City
and you would have laughed to see us struggle to get
my Drifter to the tie-down area...remember, immovable
tail wheel.
Doug wasn't laughing - he was doing all the work.
Since the tail wheel won't turn, and since the winds
were high, Doug got on one wing while I slowly taxied,
and when my nose wasn't going in the right direction,
he'd grab the wing and pull on it till the nose went
in the right direction. Both of us were wiped out
when we got to the tie-down area, and we rested in the
FBO for a few hours. The winds mellowed enough that
by 6:00 p.m. we decided to try and make it to Beaver,
where BJ, my Drifter repair friend is.
Getting out to the runway was a repeat of getting off
it - taxi slow while Doug pulled on the wing, dragging
it around so the nose would go in the right direction.
But once I was lined up on the runway, I took off
straight and true. We made it to Beaver by 8:00 p.m.
and Doug, BJ and I worked until 11:30 p.m. using
camping headlamps and BJ's truck headlights - to
change out my rudder and tail wheel assembly. BJ is
building a Drifter, so he cannibalized his plane for
me. So now I have a white rudder and a marvelous new
tail wheel assembly.
But our tailwheel troubles weren't over - mine were,
but Doug's were just beginning!
After Beaver we flew to Ely, NV and then Eureka, NV
and it was there that Doug saw that his frame (where
the tail wheel attaches) was cracked. He did a fix
that he thought would get him home. (And told me
sternly, "No more off-field landings!") WRONG!
(About the fix, that is.) We got to Battle Mountain
and then Winnemucca airports o.k., then landed at
McDermitt (on the Nevada-Oregon state line) to top off
for the remaining 51 miles to Larry and Karen
Cottrell's home airstrip near Rome, OR. I landed in a
crosswind and taxied to the turnout - Doug landed and
his tailwheel assembly collapsed under the sideload
strain. I called Larry, who said he'd be there with a
trailer. I flew the 51 miles to his place and passed
Larry as he drove to McDermitt to get Doug. Doug
called his wife and asked her to hook up his trailer
and drive out to the Cottrells to pick him up. This
was Wed. evening, May 24.
Thursday, May 25, about noon, John Houck (Kolb Mark
III) and John Williamson (Kolb Kolbra) flew in and it
was like old home week. Doug's wife arrived about 6
p.m. They put the Sky Raider on Doug's trailer and
took off, planning to drive home that night.
Jan and Doug had barely left, when Roger and Dana
Hankins from Merlin, OR came in, trailering Roger's
Kolb Firestar. So we had a pilots' hang-out at Larry
and Karen's. (For dinner we had bear burgers, from a
bear that Larry shot. Both he and Karen are avid
hunters.) On Friday, John Hauck took me in his Kolb,
John Williamson took Larry in his, and Roger got in
his single-seater. We all went for a great flight
down the Owahyee River Canyon. The rest of the day we
spent hanging out looking at all the pictures we all
took on our flights so far - as well as old pics from
previous flights.
With Doug gone, I was faced with flying home on my
own. Norm (my husband) wasn't happy about me flying
450+ miles by myself out in the middle of the eastern
Oregon desert, but there's a good, lightly-used
highway to follow and where I could land if I had
problems.
I left Larry and Karen Cottrell's home in Rome, Oregon
on Saturday morning, May 27. The weather forecast
wasn't great, but it was definitely safe for flying.
My first leg was 95 miles to Burns, Oregon. Larry and
Karen were my "FAA-equivalent" - I gave them my flight
plan, my ETA, and promised that I'd call as soon as I
touched down. If I didn't call within 30-45 minutes
of my ETA, they'd come looking.
If you go to Google Earth and pull up the photos of
this leg, you'll see lots of desolate
sagebrush-dotted, ravine-covered hills, rising into
the Steens Mountain range, and then settling down into
more sagebrush-covered flatlands on the other side of
the Steens. I followed the highway religiously, so
that if I went down it wouldn't be a problem to find
me.
There was a high, grey overcast, and a 22 mph
headwind, which thankfully was fairly steady but it
really slowed me down. It was also bitterly cold. Due
to the headwind, it took me 2.25 hrs. to make the 95
mile flight to Burns. During this leg, I saw only 2
vehicles on the highway.
The wind picked as I warmed up in the Burns FBO,
(gusting to 35 knots along my intended route) so I
ended up spending the next 1.5 days in Burns. By
Monday morning the skies were bright blue with some
white puffy clouds and even a slight wind out of the
southeast. Since I was flying northwest, that was
great. The next leg - from Burns to Bend - was 135
miles and it was an easy one. I've flown this route
about 30 times, since I fly to the Alvord Desert/Steen
Mountain for a ul fly-in every year, and this was the
easiest flying I've ever done on this leg. Usually
there's a strong quartering headwind, and it's work,
work, work staying level and on track. Not this time
- I had a very slight tailwind (about 3 mph) and no
turbulence.
Because it was Memorial Day, there were lots of pilots
taking advantage of a vacation day and good weather,
and there was lots of air traffic in and out of Bend.
I managed to sneak in, refuel quickly, and head out
again. My next refueling stop was 51 miles to Madras
- again, no problem en route.
What I did next was pretty foolish. I had been flying
the highway religiously - and checking in with Larry
and Karen at every stop. My next stop was supposed to
be The Dalles, which is at the east end of the
Columbia River Gorge. It's an exceptionally windy
spot. As I flew, I realized that I could save time
and effort by flying directly to Hood River (west of
The Dalles, also on the Columbia River) and landing
there instead of going to The Dalles. Picture
"cutting the corner" pretty big time. It meant leaving
the highway and flying a GPS route - over some farms
and pastures and fields, but mostly over the forested
foothills of the Cascades.
As I altered course for Hood River, I had an inner
dialogue. One voice said "This is REALLY, REALLY
stupid. Larry and Karen think you're going to The
Dalles, following the highway. They'll never look for
you - or send anyone to look for you - way out here.
And look at all the forest and mountain ridges on this
route. No road beneath you...nowhere to land. This is
SO stupid and irresponsible."
Another voice was saying, "You'll only be over the
forest and ridges for about 25 minutes before you get
to the Hood River valley. And the engine has been
working like a charm ever since you put in the new
fuel pump. Don't be such a wienie."
Maybe I shouldn't have, but I listened to the 2nd
voice, and made it into Hood River, where it was
gusting up to 22 knots. I was able to land without
much difficulty, even though I got 2 radio warnings
from glider pilots that the turbulence was too much
for an ultralight. That was 2:30 p.m. - and the wind
increased as I refueled. So I waited, and waited, and
waited. The wind didn't die down, and I decided not
to compound my stupidity by taking off and flying down
the Gorge - one of the windiest spots on earth.
(That's why Hood River is considered one of - if not
THE - best windsailing spot in the world.)
I called Norm (home is just 40 miles away from Hood
River) and he decided to drive up. We went to a neat
hotel right on the Columbia and on Tuesday morning I
was wheels-off at 6:30 a.m., and had a wonderful
flight home. Calm air and blue skies - it doesn't get
any better than this. I landed at Sandy River Airport
at 7:10 a.m. - beat Norm home by almost an hour.
Well, Will - how's that for an exceptionally long
answer to a simple question?
Arty
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vince Hallam" <vince@devonwindmills.co.uk>
I once parked my 65 ton [empty] Britannia at your windy
city,{Chicago}. No tie downs, but a ground crewman saw it in a gust ,he said
18 inches off the ground!
I forget what the wind was , 46 years ago,
Vnz
!
07941 313141
00441803 316191
www.devonwindmills.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tie Down Suggestions
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
>
> On my Cessna Skywagon, I use two stakes, plain straight rods with
> sharpened
> ends, about 18' long, at each location. They are pounded into the ground
> so
> they cross - there's a bracket that holds them in that position. Simple
> and
> works a charm.
>
> The stakes are titanium; it's the best combination of strength and
> lightness.
>
> The aluminum bracket has a hole for the rope to the wing.
>
> Here's what I've learned at Boulder Airport, watching airplanes get blown
> over in our high winds.
>
> These things not what most people do. Most people do it wrong.
>
> 1. Rope stretch lets the airplane bounce around, and the dynamic overloads
> break the airplane loose. Here's how to avoid that:
>
> a) Make the ropes out of polyester. One of the marine ropes like Sta-Set
> is
> excellent. Do not use nylon or polypropylene ropes or straps. It's too
> stretchy. If possible, double up on the ropes.
>
> b) Tie the ropes tight! I mean so tight that when you're pulling on them,
> the airplane squeaks.
>
> c) Tie the wing tiedowns first, then pull the plane back with the tail
> one.
> That makes the ropes tighter.
>
> d) Don't tie the ropes over the strut - tie them so that they can't
> possibly
> slip down and pull the strut out of column.
>
> 2. Orientation is important. If you can predict where the wind will come
> from, place the plane so that it's a quartering headwind. Sideways is
> okay.
> Head into the wind is bad, because that way the wing will work, and the
> possibility of dynamic overloads is high. Don't have the wind coming from
> behind at all, because of the potential for control surface damage.
>
> Got a question now - how do y'all tie the ropes to the wings? On my
> Firestar, there's no tiedown points.
>
> Thanks!
> Dave Paule
> Boulder, CO
>
>
>
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I use the steel dog type screw in tie downs but really wish I had purchased
the titanium tie downs when they were available. I don't trust the tie downs
I have so I put in two for each wing one gets roped to the lift strut and
one gets roped to the wing fold fitting. That's four for the wings. Then I
hook one to the tail wheel bell crank and pull it tight. The locked tail
wheel will restrict the rudder movement to some extent. Then I loop my seat
belt over the control stick to control aileron and elevator movement. It has
survived sitting in the open field at Oshkosh for the last three years a
hole week at a time. There have been some major thunder/rain/wind storms and
nothing has broken or flown away yet.
There are three things I want to do in this are and they are:
Get some of those titanium tie downs.
Weld on some John Hauck rings on my lift strut tangs.
Devise a real rudder/elevator gust lock.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tie Down Suggestions
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
>
> Dave:
>
> Use the bottom tang on the upper lift strut tang to weld a sturdy
> ring. I use a FS starter rope ring, but found out at Moab, UT, last
> year, that it may need to be a bit stronger. Wind pulled hard enough
> to elongate the ring on both wings. ;-(
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Jack,
You gave me an idea on those Dog tie downs...
I think I'll cut it like you did....then heat it and make a loop and weld it.
I'll have to screw'em down with a straight bar....but it should make'm
lighter and smaller.... Thanks !
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
David
FWIW, I disagree with your 1-d) -- I suggest you put the rope through
the ring AND around the strut -- I saw a 172 that went over on its
back when the steel-ring weld broke.
And you should not hold the stick back with the seatbelt -- this puts
the elevators UP and tailwinds will try to raise the tail.
Much better to secure the stick FORWARD, putting the elevators down
and causing the wind-forces to hold the tail firmly on the ground.
If the stick is back and the tailrope breaks she can be on her nose
quickly.
I always used tie-down screws, like big heavy dog tethers, for my
170. Carried a hardwood stick to screw them in with -- until a
grabbed it and ran off! Short pieces of rebar work OK (2 for each
wing) but are heavy too
do not archive
On Jun 15, 2006, at 10:51 AM, David Paule wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
>
> On my Cessna Skywagon, I use two stakes, plain straight rods with
> sharpened
> ends, about 18' long, at each location. They are pounded into the
> ground so
> they cross - there's a bracket that holds them in that position.
> Simple and
> works a charm.
>
> The stakes are titanium; it's the best combination of strength and
> lightness.
>
> The aluminum bracket has a hole for the rope to the wing.
>
> Here's what I've learned at Boulder Airport, watching airplanes get
> blown
> over in our high winds.
>
> These things not what most people do. Most people do it wrong.
>
> 1. Rope stretch lets the airplane bounce around, and the dynamic
> overloads
> break the airplane loose. Here's how to avoid that:
>
> a) Make the ropes out of polyester. One of the marine ropes like
> Sta-Set is
> excellent. Do not use nylon or polypropylene ropes or straps. It's too
> stretchy. If possible, double up on the ropes.
>
> b) Tie the ropes tight! I mean so tight that when you're pulling on
> them,
> the airplane squeaks.
>
> c) Tie the wing tiedowns first, then pull the plane back with the
> tail one.
> That makes the ropes tighter.
>
> d) Don't tie the ropes over the strut - tie them so that they can't
> possibly
> slip down and pull the strut out of column.
>
> 2. Orientation is important. If you can predict where the wind will
> come
> from, place the plane so that it's a quartering headwind. Sideways
> is okay.
> Head into the wind is bad, because that way the wing will work, and
> the
> possibility of dynamic overloads is high. Don't have the wind
> coming from
> behind at all, because of the potential for control surface damage.
>
> Got a question now - how do y'all tie the ropes to the wings? On my
> Firestar, there's no tiedown points.
>
> Thanks!
> Dave Paule
> Boulder, CO
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
That is what I did. Works just fine. And you can nestle them all
together, which takes up less space.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
planecrazzzy wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey Jack,
> You gave me an idea on those Dog tie downs...
>
> I think I'll cut it like you did....then heat it and make a loop and weld it.
>
> I'll have to screw'em down with a straight bar....but it should make'm
>
> lighter and smaller.... Thanks !
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
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OK here also ,ron in tx"hot again"
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My Pictures
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> I didn't check all the pages, but the ones I looked at were OK.
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> Larry Bourne wrote:
>> I've received an email from a Kolb List-er who can't get the pictures on
>> my webpages. He gets the text OK, but only 1 or 2 pics per page. Has
>> anyone else had this problem ?? Everything seems to work fine for me.
>> Thanks Lar. Do not Archive.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Larry Rice <rice@iapdatacom.net>
Folks,
I have a 377 that needs a crankshaft, which our friends in Austria no
longer make. I notice that the 503 has the same stroke. Will a 503 crank
work?
Larry the micromong guy
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Guys,
Just so happens I had to take my dog to Petco for her shots...
I looked around and found the screws....they had two sizes...18" & 16"
I bought 3 of the 18" ones at only $4.49 ea....
I'm trying to get things ready for my first cross country....(300 miles aprox)
I want to fly to Baraboo WI to check out the Tailwind Fly-in ....
I'll start building mine soon, So I'm hunting for more info & Pictures...
Also I was promised a ride in one too...
Hey Hauck, any "tips" on tools to bring....I'm thinkin the basics
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: boom tube dolly |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "GALEN SHIRLEY" <oneaviator@msn.com>
Larry, Thanks for the suggestion. DId you attach a wheel to the support?
Galen
>From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: boom tube dolly
>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:20:59 -0600
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
>
>The set up that I have is a plastic water pipe cut in half, just measure
>the tube- 6 inches? and buy an 8 or 10 inch diameter piece of the pvc pipe,
>cut it in half and put some carpet inside the pipe to cradle the boom tube.
>The PVC at that size is big enough and tuff enough to bolt to and handle
>the load.
>
>Larry, Oregon
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "galen shirley" <oneaviator@msn.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:00 PM
>Subject: Kolb-List: boom tube dolly
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "galen shirley" <oneaviator@msn.com>
>>
>>I just saw a picture in the photo gallary of a boom tube dolly made by
>>erich weaver. I could not get an e-mail to go thru to him. Did not see
>>on the list either. Anybody got an idea of what the saddle is made of?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Galen
>>
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>>Read this topic online here:
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "GALEN SHIRLEY" <oneaviator@msn.com>
Boyd
Thanks for the info. THose saddles are kind of expensive but may be worth
it.
Galen
>From: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>, <oneaviator@msn.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: boom tube dolly Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:24:30 -0600
>
>
>I just saw a picture in the photo gallary of a boom tube dolly made by
>erich
>weaver.
>I could not get an e-mail to go thru to him. Did not see on the list
>either.
> Anybody got an idea of what the saddle is made of?
>
>Thanks
>Galen
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>Erics boom tube dolly is a plastic irrigation Saddle that fits the 6 inch
>pipe and has a 2 inch pipe thread outlet.. When in the trailer it is
>attached to some type of attachment that goes to the floor of his trailer.
>during loading and unloading he screws a wheel into the pipe thread attach
>point.. To try and find the saddle I would try a sprinkler / irrigation
>supplier.
>
>
>Boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "GALEN SHIRLEY" <oneaviator@msn.com>
Robert,
Thanks for the info. I checked on price and they are kind of expensive but
probably worth it for the easy of loading.
Galen
>From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: boom tube dolly Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:29:39
>-0400
>
>That is called a "saddle tee" -should be available at any plumbing supply.
>do not archive
>
>On 15, Jun 2006, at 9:24 AM, boyd wrote:
>
>>
>>I just saw a picture in the photo gallary of a boom tube dolly made by
>>erich weaver.
>>
>>I could not get an e-mail to go thru to him. Did not see on the list
>>either.
>>
>>Anybody got an idea of what the saddle is made of?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Galen
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>Erics boom tube dolly is a plastic irrigation Saddle that fits the 6 inch
>>pipe and has a 2 inch pipe thread outlet. When in the trailer it is
>>attached to some type of attachment that goes to the floor of his
>>trailer during loading and unloading he screws a wheel into the pipe
>>thread attach point. To try and find the saddle I would try a sprinkler
>>/ irrigation supplier.
>>
>>
>>Boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| Gotta Fly...
| Mike in MN
Mike:
What ever you think you may need to keep your bird in the air long
enough to get you there and home again.
Basically, I use an old Rotax tool kit, the one that is plastic and
rolls up. I have added a few wrenches, pliers, allen wrenches, etc.
Duct tape, safety wire, nylon tie wraps, are always handy for
temporary repairs.
With a two stroke, definitely a socket and rachet to pull plugs and
something to gap them with.
As you gain experience flying your Kolb, you will find out what it is
going to take to keep you going.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 06/13/06 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Sorry,
The 503 crank will NOT fit.
The 447 uses the same crank and bottom end as a 377 but uses bigger
pistons and cylinders.
On Jun 15, 2006, at 9:10 PM, Larry Rice wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Larry Rice <rice@iapdatacom.net>
>
> Folks,
>
> I have a 377 that needs a crankshaft, which our friends in Austria no
> longer make. I notice that the 503 has the same stroke. Will a 503
> crank
> work?
>
> Larry the micromong guy
>
>
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| Subject: | Response to Will Uribe's ? about tail wheel troubles after |
MV (Long story)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guillermo Uribe" <WillUribe@aol.com>
Hi Arty,
Great report, I really enjoyed reading about your adventures and thank you
for posting them here on the Kolb list.
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II N4GU
El Paso, TX
http://members.aol.com/WillUribe/mv/
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TheWanderingWench
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Response to Will Uribe's ? about tail wheel troubles
after MV (Long story)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: TheWanderingWench
<thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
<Snip>
Well, Will - how's that for an exceptionally long
answer to a simple question?
Arty
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "GALEN SHIRLEY" <oneaviator@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: boom tube dolly
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "GALEN SHIRLEY" <oneaviator@msn.com>
>
> Larry, Thanks for the suggestion. DId you attach a wheel to the support?
> Galen
Actually mine is attached to the floor of the trailer on a arm that I can
pivot up from outside the folded wings to support the tail while I trailer
it. I have a track that guides the tailwheel up and over the support. When
the plane is in place I pivot the support up and lock it in place.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 06/13/06 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
A 447 crank will work. I have an old LEAF catalog, it shows the 377 and
447 use the same crank.
The 996-333 is the current part number for the 447 with point ignition.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Larry Rice wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Larry Rice <rice@iapdatacom.net>
>
> Folks,
>
> I have a 377 that needs a crankshaft, which our friends in Austria no
> longer make. I notice that the 503 has the same stroke. Will a 503 crank
> work?
>
> Larry the micromong guy
>
>
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