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1. 06:14 AM - Re: Response to Will Uribe's ? about tail wheel troubles after M (jimhefner)
2. 07:01 AM - Stats for MV trip w/a 503 (TheWanderingWench)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Tie Down Suggestions (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
4. 08:32 AM - Re: full enclosures (Don G)
5. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Tie Down Suggestions (Jim Baker)
6. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Tie Down Suggestions (Larry Cottrell)
7. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Tie Down Suggestions and other uses (Herb Gayheart)
8. 10:34 AM - Re: Kolbs on Open Trailers (GeoR38@aol.com)
9. 02:08 PM - Re: Kolbs on Open Trailers (planecrazzzy)
10. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: full enclosures (Jack B. Hart)
11. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Kolbs on Open Trailers (pete haggerty)
12. 04:06 PM - Re: Stats for MV trip w/a 503 (Larry Bourne)
13. 05:33 PM - Re: Rotax 377 (Larry Rice)
14. 07:19 PM - Re: Tie Down Suggestions (David Paule)
15. 07:50 PM - trip (robert bean)
16. 07:51 PM - pic (robert bean)
17. 08:04 PM - Re: pic (Larry Bourne)
18. 08:32 PM - Re: pic (Ed Chmielewski)
19. 08:41 PM - 377 Crankshaft (frank & margie)
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| Subject: | Re: Response to Will Uribe's ? about tail wheel troubles after |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
Thanks for sharing your adventure with us Artie!
Do you have any stats on your total trip? Think I recall you or Doug saying you
had flown around 1300 miles in 5 days when you were at MV so I was curious if
you had any info on total trip days, flight hours, miles traveled, fuel burned,
etc. Pretty impressive cross country trip in a 447 and 503 on any type of
plane! Sharing that might help others here venture out further with their low
end Kolbs. :)
Glad to see you here!
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Jim Hefner
Tucson, AZ
Firefly #022 447, 2 blade IVO, BRS-750
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| Subject: | Stats for MV trip w/a 503 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
Stats for the MV trip:
Maxair Drifter with Rotax 503 DCDI - HEAVILY loaded!
:>)
Total trip days: 17 (Includes 3 days of non-flying)
Flight hours: 52
Miles traveled: 3027 (includes "sightseeing miles" @
MV)
Gallons gas: 196 (averaged 3.77 gph)
Arty
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> if you had any info on total trip days, flight
> hours, miles traveled, fuel burned, etc. Pretty
> impressive cross country trip in a 447 and 503 on
> any type of plane! Sharing that might help others
> here venture out further with their low end Kolbs.
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Down Suggestions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
I ran across the link for the titanium tie downs it is
http://www.airtimemfg.com/
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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From: "russ kinne" <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tie Down Suggestions
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> David
> FWIW, I disagree with your 1-d) -- I suggest you put the rope through
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| Subject: | Re: full enclosures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Rob,
IT has been my experience that firefly built to conform to the part 103 requirements
by "Calculation" will still exceed the top speed limitation with a 447
unless you specifically underprop the aircraft. I can assure you that if you build
it with no streamlineing and no enclosure and stick a prop that will limit
the engine to around 6000 to 6200 or so static rpm that it will readily fly
fast enough to exceed the part 103 top speed. So the "calculations" are not that
accurate anyway. The question really is, do you want it to comply by calculation,
or by real world performance numbers.
If you build it with all the streamlineing you can..a full enclosure, and brakes
and even heavy and so on, adjust the prop to make the best rpm at 6500 or so
WOT straight and level, it will run out around 85 to 90 mph.(447/60 inch)
IF you dont fool with any extra drag reduction like leg fairings and struts and
such...and build it without a full enclosure, you will have an airplane that
will be uncomfortable to fly at anything other than a low rpm cruise unless you
have a really strong neck. ( and still fly too fast for compliance)
The laid back seating position makes your neck hurt when holding your head against
the wind.
Of all the things I did to my FlagFly the full enclosure is the last thing I would
ever remove due to simple pilot comfort.
IN reference to the ramp check question, the only time I ever was, was back in
1977, in Oklahoma, Flying a Spartan School of Aeronautics 150, while on a cross
country flight during private pilot training. I believe the FAA agent simply
waited for any plane to land with the school logo on the tail to check the students
paperwork, which was always up to snuff because the school always kept
it up. I have always thought that they were just "flexing" their muscles to intimidate,
maybe make a student believe that this was the norm for the future.
Never have been checked since....lessee...wow...almost 30 years..egad!
Feeling old all of a sudden!
Don
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FireFly#098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Down Suggestions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
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> I ran across the link for the titanium tie downs it is
> http://www.airtimemfg.com/
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> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
I'd be intersted to see if a magnet will stick to these items.....
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Down Suggestions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
The answer to that question is no! I have both items and they would not
stick together.
Larry, Oregon
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Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tie Down Suggestions
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>> I ran across the link for the titanium tie downs it is
>> http://www.airtimemfg.com/
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>> Rick Neilsen
>> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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> I'd be intersted to see if a magnet will stick to these items.....
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> Jim Baker
> 580.788.2779
> Elmore City, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Down Suggestions and other uses |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Look at it this way guys... as we get older and more parts in our bodies
belong to someone else or to the salvage yard... we can send the titanium
in and have it made into artificial Knees.. :-) Herb
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:10:28 -0500 "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbs on Open Trailers |
In a message dated 6/14/2006 3:21:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil writes:
<< The problem was on an open trailer the wind moving across a backwards
Kolb beats up the tail feathers. I guess it is the reason that seagulls
always stand Beak to the wind. Steve B. >>
Steve, -
You are absolutely correct: Beak to the wind.
If done right, our Kolbs travel just fine for long distances on open
trailers. I trailered my Mark-3 to and from Monument Valley last May, 7
hours driving time each way. My trailer is a simple, one axle flatbed, 22
feet long. My Kolb is secured pointing forward on the trailer. As long as
you secure everything (i.e., flaps & ailerons not flapping in the wind,
wings & tail boom supported, etc.), these Kolbs can endure prolonged open
trailer transporting without problems.
Another benefit of open trailering: You get LOTS of looks from the other
motorists! (They know a fun thing when they see it.)
But ... I think I want to FLY my plane there next year!
Dennis Kirby
N93DK, "Magic Bike"
Cedar Crest, NM
My 2 cents: I dragged my firestar to The Villages Fla with my son's ford
pickup pullin a 2 wheel boat trailer modified (by me and my son) last year
during the horrible hurricane season and naturally selected the timing DURING
one of them....Jean, I think....you know, the one that was soooooo big that
it covered the entire state!!!...... and was slow moving to boot! Lotsa side
pressure on this open trailer and my poor stressed out plane..... haven't
flown it yet.
I also was proud of my creation with an electric hoist for $50 from Harbor
Freight....works great btw, and built up platforms on the back by all weather
wood.....my son LOVES to work in wood...and the plane was dragged up ramps
backwards to a hinged stanchion which when one pulled the cord, would come up
and cradle the boom on its carpet, and hold it up off the tail wheel. The
backwards wings were noproblem at all as they were covered with a nonpenetrating
$12 canvas like tarp and sewed masculinely on one side. Masculine means that
the stitches were at least 3/4 inch with heavy thread....cord was more like
it. Only took an hour to sew it and it totally closed air off from entering
the area of the wingtips and tail. MORE CREATIVITY!.........YEAH!
But I would never do it again as the Hurricane was soooooo unrelenting that
the stresses on the airframe had to be gross, as the one wheel left the
pavement 3 times with the crosswinds hitting the wings. The rest of the Firestar
was wrapped with plastic wrap btw.
The new thing here is the cross wind forces,,,,, they were unhealthy at
least!!
George Randolph
Firestar driver from the Villages, Fl
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Firestar on Trailer... 22 ft plane on a 10 ft Trailer...
It pulls great, no problems....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN / N381PM
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| Subject: | Re: full enclosures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 08:29 AM 6/16/06 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
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>Rob,
>IT has been my experience that firefly built to conform to the part 103 requirements
by "Calculation" will still exceed the top speed limitation with a 447
unless you specifically underprop the aircraft. I can assure you that if you
build it with no streamlineing and no enclosure and stick a prop that will limit
the engine to around 6000 to 6200 or so static rpm that it will readily fly
fast enough to exceed the part 103 top speed. So the "calculations" are not
that accurate anyway. The question really is, do you want it to comply by calculation,
or by real world performance numbers.
>
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FireFlyers
The neat thing about the calculations is that they allow you to provide
definitive proof that your FireFly meets all AC 103-7 requirements to be
called an ultralight. And better yet a document copy made up of AC 103-7
Appendix 1, 2, 3 & 4 is considered to be sufficient proof that a FireFly
meets all requirments. As long as your FireFly's weight is under 254
pounds, fuel tank is no more than five gallons, and your computed drag
factor is not less than 11.8 and your engine hp no more than 38, you can fly
it as fast as it will go and it is legal.
You can make changes where they are not specifically prohibited. For
example, strut drag does not say that struts have to be round, therefore you
can streamline them etc. You can feather all trailing edges of the wings
and tail feathers.
If you make changes that reduce the computed drag factor to less than 11.8,
engine hp has to be reduced to make ultralight requirements.
If you have not seen the document, an example can be seen at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/fireflylegal.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pete haggerty" <pandv2@vivaccess.com>
Do you have a picture of how you have the Boom Tube supported. Pete
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Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 5:05 PM
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> Firestar on Trailer... 22 ft plane on a 10 ft Trailer...
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> Mike in MN / N381PM
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| Subject: | Re: Stats for MV trip w/a 503 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I hafta join those who spoke of enjoying your description of your trip. It
was great. Thanks. Lar.
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From: "TheWanderingWench" <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:00 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Stats for MV trip w/a 503
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: TheWanderingWench
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> Stats for the MV trip:
> Maxair Drifter with Rotax 503 DCDI - HEAVILY loaded!
> :>)
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> Total trip days: 17 (Includes 3 days of non-flying)
> Flight hours: 52
> Miles traveled: 3027 (includes "sightseeing miles" @
> MV)
> Gallons gas: 196 (averaged 3.77 gph)
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> Arty
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Larry Rice <rice@iapdatacom.net>
Guys,
Thanks for the crank information. I was really stumped about what I was
going to do!
Peace,
Lary the micro mong guy
PS. I was off list for quite a while, what with moving to Urbana, Ohio,
but I'm back.
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Down Suggestions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
Thanks for the thoughtful comments on my tiedown suggestions.
I'll comment on some of them now. Before I do, I want to reiterate the most
important point - don't permit any slack or any stretch in the tiedowns,
because it's aircraft motion in strong winds that destroys airplanes.
1. John Hauck suggested that I "Use the bottom tang on the upper lift strut
tang to weld a sturdy ring" on my Firestar. Mine already has a tiedown ring
as an eyebolt for one of the strut through-bolts. I was unsure if that was
adequate and so far, haven't used it (I've kept the plane out of the wind,
actually).
2. TheWanderingWench asked where she could get similar tiedown hardware and
what the bracket was. The bracket is a piece of round aluminum bar, about
two and a half inches in diameter and about an inch thick. There are two
perpendicular diametrical holes for the stakes, offset so the stakes don't
touch, and a hole parallel to the axis but offset so it'll clear the stakes,
for the rope. The stakes are home made, with the titanium purchased from
Titanium and Alloys. I don't have any contact information now for them.
3. George T. Alexander, Jr. hoped that I meant that the stakes were about 18
inches long, rather than 18 feet long, as I'd written. Yes, George, they are
indeed the shorter length, thanks for checking.
4. Jim Baker suggested: "Why not just replace the lift strut pin with an
AN44 or AN45 eye bolt? Same tensile strength. Carabiner or other similar
attachment can be used to connect to the eye hole....." My Firestar has
something like that but with a big hefty welded ring in each. I don't know
where the builder got them.
5. Russ Kinne reminded me to "put the rope through the ring AND around the
strut...." Russ, I do this. Honestly! I just forgot to mention it. But I do
it for exactly the reasons you mention. I've noticed that Cessna tiedown
rings can take more load than Piper ones, though, at least as evidenced by
airplanes flipped over.
6. However, Russ also recommended that the elevator be held forward to keep
the tail down in tailwinds. It doesn't seem to matter much, at least with
production general aviation planes, as long as the controls are locked. For
the Firestar, it's probably good advice, because it's best to keep the plane
from ever moving during a windstorm, and the horizontal tail's stronger for
a down load than an up load.
Thanks again for the great comments!
Dave Paule
Boulder, CO
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Group, today I ventured a record distance (for me) in the Kolb.
A journey down into the hills south of here with two other planes
to fellow Kolber Bob Erb's camp at 2000'+.
The good part was the trip down, superb. -and the camp fit
for a king. Very interesting runway too with a sort of a hammock
shape. You get a good run down one side and try to outclimb the
other.
The bad part, and I hesitate to even mention it after the epic
travels of Arty, was the return ride. The wind had picked up briskly
combined with a lot of thermals and rollers off the BIG hills.
Struggling for uniform speed and altitude cost at least 30% more
fuel than normal. It ran well but I encountered my first aileron
flutter
with the many rapid attitude changes. Lotsa throttle changes.
I have the balance rods but they didn't help much sitting on a shelf
in the shop.
No damage done except to my nerves.
pic generously reduced by BigLar: (I hope)
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Drat! I lost it somehow.....
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Too cooooool, Bob. What a beautiful spot. Lar.
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Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:50 PM
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
I agree. Green with envy here!
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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Ref;
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
A 447 crank will work. I have an old LEAF catalog, it shows the 377 and
447 use the same crank.
The 996-333 is the current part number for the 447 with point ignition.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Larry Rice wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Larry Rice <rice@iapdatacom.net>
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> Folks,
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> I have a 377 that needs a crankshaft, which our friends in Austria no
> longer make. I notice that the 503 has the same stroke. Will a 503
crank
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> Larry the micromong guy
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Larry/Richard,
I think most 377's will only accept the old style 377/447 crank. The
currently available 447 crank only fits newer s/n engines, from what
I've heard. Call Lockwood/Green Sky/South Mississippi/etc; those folks
can tell you for sure. Have your engine s/n available when you call.
Frank Clyma
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