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1. 05:22 AM - Re: Alcohol (Vic Peters)
2. 06:54 AM - First Flight (pat ladd)
3. 07:21 AM - Re: First Flight (John Hauck)
4. 07:24 AM - Re: First Flight (Terry)
5. 07:44 AM - Re: First Flight (robert bean)
6. 08:31 AM - Re: Alcohol (possums)
7. 12:35 PM - Re: Alcohol (Ron)
8. 04:53 PM - Re: First Flight (Larry Bourne)
9. 05:55 PM - Re: First Flight (Bob Dalton)
10. 07:36 PM - Re: FireFly Wing Swivel Joint Repair (Gene Ledbetter)
11. 08:05 PM - Large Stab xtra (David Key)
12. 08:44 PM - Re: First Flight (Kirk Smith)
13. 08:46 PM - Re: Alcohol (Charlie England)
14. 08:47 PM - Re: Alcohol (FS2Kolb@aol.com)
15. 08:47 PM - Re: FireFly Wing Swivel Joint Repair (John Hauck)
16. 09:24 PM - Re: FireFly Wing Swivel Joint Repair (Eugene Zimmerman)
17. 09:39 PM - Re: FireFly Wing Swivel Joint Repair (John Hauck)
18. 10:18 PM - Re: FireFly Wing Swivel Joint Repair (R. Hankins)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl@verizon.net>
Bill Gates can afford to lose money, Brazil has sugarcane and plenty of
forest to kill off ( kinda like our Buffalo) to grow more.
It does cost nearly as much energy to make ethanol as you get out, unless
ofcourse your susidiesed. (spell check not working)
Why not put the research into a way to produce an unlimited polution free
supply of Hydrogen more economicaly. And that Blimp your thinking of right
now would have blown up with gasoline too.
If it's good enough for the rest of the Universe it's good enough for us.
Fuel for Kolbs related, ya think.
do not archive
Vic in Maine
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Hi All,
I finally made it.
Last week the final paperwork from the CAA arrived and on Wednesday Wendy d
rove me to Doncaster where we spent the night.
Thursday morning she dropped me at the airfield the dealer, Mike Moulai, op
erates from and headed home.
Mike gave me a half a dozen check flights and we played with the plane all
day. Mainly trying to get the oil pressure up. In the evening I did a coupl
e of circuits solo with no trouble. I haven`t flown a tail dragger for year
s neither have I flown from concrete but experiencd no problem although my
landings were a bit untidy. Friday morning around ten o clock having waited
for the haze to clear I flew with Mike in the second seat navigating, near
ly 200 miles to my home strip. Visibility improved as we headed south and t
he the thermals began to kick in. I have a glider variometer fitted and we
were getting steady 8/9 knot bumps. The Xtra rode it all very well and felt
extremely steady.
We refuelled at an airfield around halfway home and apart from trying to ta
ke off with the brakes on I managed OK.
The Jabiru performed faultlessly apart from the oil pressure,
Nearing home we flew through the local MATZ, with permission, something I h
ad never done being strictly non radio, which meant that we approached my s
trip from the north, an entirley new perspective for me and I had trouble
finding my own strip. The fact the the field had been cut for hay since I l
ast saw it didn`t help either.
It was a bit lumpy on the approach with a slight cross wind but around 55 m
ph on the ASI and a full flap landing put us safely home around 12.50.
Unfortunately my hangar is still full of Challenger so I had the experience
of de rigging the Kolb for the first time, on my own. I shall do it bette
r next time
I thoroughly enjoyed my first extended flight in the Kolb. She was easy to
fly, Although that flap lever is a pain. She has much more arrow stability
than the Challenger and held her course, feet off the pedals, easily.
Unfortunately we have had guests over the weekend and I have been unable to
fly again and it looks as though it will be next weken now before the weat
her clears up again.
Thanks to everyone on the list for the knowledge they have contributed.
Cheers
Pat
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
I thoroughly enjoyed my first extended flight in the Kolb. She was
easy to fly, Although that flap lever is a pain. She has much more
arrow stability than the Challenger and held her course, feet off the
pedals, easily.
Pat
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Patrick:
Good for you.
I know you are happy to finally get some air time in your new bird and
have it home to its roost.
Bet your oil pressure problem is the sender. We have problems on the
912's with oil pressure senders. Seems the vibration tends to shorten
their lives and scrambles their brains.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
pat ladd wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I finally made it.
>
>Last week the final paperwork from the CAA arrived and on Wednesday Wendy drove
me to Doncaster where we spent the night.
>Thursday morning she dropped me at the airfield the dealer, Mike Moulai, operates
from and headed home.
>
>Mike gave me a half a dozen check flights and we played with the plane all day.
Mainly trying to get the oil pressure up. In the evening I did a couple of circuits
solo with no trouble. I haven`t flown a tail dragger for years neither
have I flown from concrete but experiencd no problem although my landings were
a bit untidy. Friday morning around ten o clock having waited for the haze to
clear I flew with Mike in the second seat navigating, nearly 200 miles to my
home strip. Visibility improved as we headed south and the the thermals began
to kick in. I have a glider variometer fitted and we were getting steady 8/9
knot bumps. The Xtra rode it all very well and felt extremely steady.
>
>We refuelled at an airfield around halfway home and apart from trying to take
off with the brakes on I managed OK.
>
>The Jabiru performed faultlessly apart from the oil pressure,
>
>Nearing home we flew through the local MATZ, with permission, something I had
never done being strictly non radio, which meant that we approached my strip from
the north, an entirley new perspective for me and I had trouble finding my
own strip. The fact the the field had been cut for hay since I last saw it didn`t
help either.
>
>It was a bit lumpy on the approach with a slight cross wind but around 55 mph
on the ASI and a full flap landing put us safely home around 12.50.
>
>Unfortunately my hangar is still full of Challenger so I had the experience of
de rigging the Kolb for the first time, on my own. I shall do it better next
time
>
>I thoroughly enjoyed my first extended flight in the Kolb. She was easy to fly,
Although that flap lever is a pain. She has much more arrow stability than the
Challenger and held her course, feet off the pedals, easily.
>
>Unfortunately we have had guests over the weekend and I have been unable to fly
again and it looks as though it will be next weken now before the weather clears
up again.
>Thanks to everyone on the list for the knowledge they have contributed.
>
>Cheers
>
>Pat
>
>do not archive
>
>
Pat,
Way to go!!!!! All the hard work has paid off for you. Enjoy!!!!
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> I finally made it.
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
Pat, here's an attaboy from western New York state.
fly safe.
BB do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 11:35 PM 6/19/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
>
>I heard it too. I somehow don't believe those boys are investing so heavily
>into ethanol to loose money. From what I've heard Ethanol plants are
>sprouting in Iowa overnight.
The US imposes a 54-cent-per-gallon tariff on ethanol to discourage
imports and protect domestic farmers. Simply put: Is this 54 cents
justified at a time when prices are skyrocketing?
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/04/petrobras_and_m.html
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
No I don't think it's the right thing to do. I think Ethanol production
should be encouraged anywhere in the world. For one thing its bio friendly,
for another if we really get bummed out we can always drink a bit of it.
There is an inbuilt advantage in north America for Ethanol. You can't grow
much in those far flung deserts.
Ron
Arizona
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of possums
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:29 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 11:35 PM 6/19/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
>
>I heard it too. I somehow don't believe those boys are investing so heavily
>into ethanol to loose money. From what I've heard Ethanol plants are
>sprouting in Iowa overnight.
The US imposes a 54-cent-per-gallon tariff on ethanol to discourage
imports and protect domestic farmers. Simply put: Is this 54 cents
justified at a time when prices are skyrocketing?
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/04/petrobras_and_m.html
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Congratulations, Pat. That's the best news I've heard in a long time.
Lar. Do not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:42 AM
Hi All,
I finally made it.
Last week the final paperwork from the CAA arrived and on Wednesday Wendy
drove me to Doncaster where we spent the night.
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Congrat's Pat!
Bob D.
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:51 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Congratulations, Pat. That's the best news I've heard in a long time.
Lar. Do not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:42 AM
Hi All,
I finally made it.
Last week the final paperwork from the CAA arrived and on Wednesday Wendy
drove me to Doncaster where we spent the night.
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Wing Swivel Joint Repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gene Ledbetter" <gdledbetter@aol.com>
Jack,
I checked my Firefly Wing Swivel Joints today and after 328 hours can report that
there is minimum wing movement. I have always used bolts for the swivel joint
connections and although that may not be significant, it has allowed the joints
to be tightened to the point that the bolts have never been loose to move
or shake.
Gene
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Gene D.
2000 Firefly
330 Hours
New 447
Brakes, Ivo
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
I have a large stab xtra and wanted to know where to attach the guide wires
on the tail. The directions I have say 18 inches from the outside edge of
the h-stab. I'd like to know the measurment from another large stab xtra
builder, I'm not sure my directions are for my stab.
Also a measurement going down from the top of the trailing edge of the
vertical stab would be helpfull.
Thanks,
David
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Jolly good show old chap!!!!
Hi All,
I finally made it.
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
russ kinne wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
>
> Ron, all
> I'v e been told it takes more energy to produce Ethanol than you get
> out of it! --
> does anyone know?or have a comment?
>
> do nboit archgi9ve
It *always* takes more energy to create a fuel than you get out of it.
It's just that some forms had the energy put in there with no effort on
our part.
You're probably thinking of the debate over cost of ethanol from corn, &
it might (or might not) be true. There are other sources that are much
more efficient in energy production. Brazil uses sugar cane & they have
declared themselves energy independent. Another source is called (I
think) switch grass.
If you really want to talk about cost, what do 2500 (& climbing) dead,
18,000 (& climbing) as-good-as-dead & before it's over, around
$2trillion left for our kids & grand kids to pay, add to the cost of gas?
Comment mode off :-)
Charlie
(He who spends the money, raises the taxes)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com
Once the big players get setup they will just give bribes (AKA political
contributions) to our politicians so in turn they will make the use of ethanol
mandatory and make the big players even richer.
Do not archive
In a message dated 6/19/2006 9:37:06 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
captainron1@cox.net writes:
I heard it too. I somehow don't believe those boys are investing so heavily
into ethanol to loose money. From what I've heard Ethanol plants are
sprouting in Iowa overnight. I think even Bill Gates is investing in an
Ethanol plant in California. There are some big players getting into that
market. ADM and some others, those are serious folks who don't Kidd around
when it comes to money.
Brazil runs on Ethanol.
Ron
Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Wing Swivel Joint Repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
mating hole ID's.
|
| I purchased some inexpensive Oilite flanged sleeve bushings from
McMaster
| Carr, drilled out the holes, inserted the bearings, and new slightly
longer
| pins and removed all the play from the swivel joints. Also, I
bushed the
| stud that passes through the cage clevis. I used a washer and two
nested
| "O" rings so that I could put the joint into compression but still
let it
| pivot.
|
| Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack:
Looks like you have drastically deviated from Kolb plans and
instructions on how to attach the wing fold universal joint and
attachment to the cage.
After more than 2,500 hours flight time, I have not had a requirement
to change out the bolts in the wing fold universal joint, nor adjust
the tension on the attachment hardware to the cage. These parts of my
mkIII remain snug, safe, and secure.
Don't believe bronze bushings are the remedy to your problem. Quite
possibly, had you used bolts washer and nyloc nuts as prescribed by
the plans and instructions, you would not have wear on your "clevis
pins" and holes in the universal joints.
Reference the attachment at the cage, two "O" rings are not going to
keep that piece of hardware from moving on the ground and in flight,
when the wings are loading and unloading. A combination of thick and
thin AN washers will give you the appropriate snugness required at
this point with castellated nut and cotter pin.
If the bolts are snugged up tight after the wings are repositioned
from storage to flight position, wear on these bolts and holes will
certainly be discouraged. If I had to fold my airplane after each
flying session, I would insure the bolts in the universal joints were
loose during the flight prep process, snugging them up tight prior to
flight. When time came to fold the airplane, a second or two to
loosen these bolts prior to folding the wings.
NOTE: Jack can configure his FF any way he wants to, as anyone else
can do likewise. However, let it be noted that his procedure for
taking slack out of the wing fold universal joint and wing attachment
to the fuselage is certainly not a "normal, safe, recommended" method
of maintenance.
"Nuther NOTE: This is in no way a personal attack on Jack Hart.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Wing Swivel Joint Repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Huh ? What? Is the list funky, or are you shooting blanks?
On Jun 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | After 200+ hours the FireFly rear wing spar swivel joints started
> to sound
> shim
> result,
> the pin
> McMaster
> longer
> bushed the
> nested
> let it
> eight of
> about this
> the
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Wing Swivel Joint Repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
|
| Huh ? What? Is the list funky, or are you shooting blanks?
Shoot'n blanks.............
john h
PS: A msg I posted yesterday afternoon came strolling across my
monitor late tonight. Always better the second time around. Maybe it
was a shadow.
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Wing Swivel Joint Repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
Jack:
You are scaring me, Jack. In theory the pins are in pure shear loading. The shear
load is not what will bite you. If the ears of the piece closest to the
cage try to spread the clip on the pin will be sheared off and we may be reading
unwelcome stories of your early demise. Another failure mode: the vibration
that forced the repair in the first place may weaken the clip or safety ring
as it rattles in the pin hole. Safety pins and rings are made in China more
often then not these days, even when purchased from a reputable source. In
my mind, a weight savings of less than an ounce doesn't justify the added risk.
The bushings look nice, but those pins scare the puddin' out of me. Those are
"Oh Sh-t" bolts you are playing with.
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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