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     1. 05:37 AM - Re: Emailing: PICT0024 (pat ladd)
     2. 05:58 AM - Re: Emailing: PICT0024 (Denny Rowe)
     3. 06:06 AM - Re: Aug Fly-In (John Hauck)
     4. 06:14 AM - Re: Emailing: PICT0024 (John Hauck)
     5. 06:41 AM - Re: Aug Fly-In (Herb Gayheart)
     6. 07:28 AM - First airplane ()
     7. 07:44 AM - Re: First airplane (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
     8. 07:50 AM - Re: First airplane (Herb Gayheart)
     9. 08:05 AM - Re: First airplane (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
    10. 08:07 AM - Re: First airplane (David Lehman)
    11. 08:33 AM - Re: First airplane (Arksey@aol.com)
    12. 08:35 AM - Re: First airplane (David Key)
    13. 08:37 AM - Re: First airplane (Vince Hallam)
    14. 09:24 AM - Re: First airplane (BPA)
    15. 10:56 AM - Re: First airplane (john s. flannery)
    16. 11:04 AM - Re: First airplane (Ron)
    17. 11:06 AM - First Airplane (Lanny Fetterman)
    18. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: First airplane (GeoR38@aol.com)
    19. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: First airplane (robert bean)
    20. 11:22 AM - Re: First airplane (ray anderson)
    21. 11:50 AM - Re: First airplane (russ kinne)
    22. 01:25 PM - Warp Drive hub (Richard Pike)
    23. 01:32 PM - Re: First airplane (John Hauck)
    24. 01:34 PM - Re: First airplane (John Hauck)
    25. 01:37 PM - Re: First airplane (John Hauck)
    26. 01:43 PM - Re: First airplane (David Lehman)
    27. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: First airplane (Bob Noyer)
    28. 01:56 PM - Re: First airplane (John Hauck)
    29. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: First airplane (John Hauck)
    30. 02:13 PM - Re: First airplane (N27SB@aol.com)
    31. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: First airplane (Bob Noyer)
    32. 03:34 PM - Re: First airplane (Mike Schnabel)
    33. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: First airplane ()
    34. 04:17 PM - Re: First airplane (snuffy@usol.com)
    35. 04:27 PM - Vortex Generators (Bill Vincent)
    36. 05:16 PM - Re: First airplane (russ kinne)
    37. 05:34 PM - Re: First airplane (Jim Baker)
    38. 05:37 PM - Re: First airplane (John Hauck)
    39. 06:33 PM - Re: First airplane (ray anderson)
    40. 07:07 PM - Re: First airplane (John Hauck)
    41. 08:18 PM - Riviting Lexan (blackbird)
    42. 08:25 PM - Re: First airplane (HShack@aol.com)
    43. 08:34 PM - Re: First airplane (DAquaNut@aol.com)
    44. 08:34 PM - Re: Riviting Lexan (Richard Pike)
    45. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: First airplane (Ed Chmielewski)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Emailing: PICT0024 | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
      
      Will it fly?>>
      
      Hi John,
      Yes she will. Added  another  couple of hours and eight landings in the last 
      few days. The wind has been around 5/10knots and straight down the strip for 
      nearly a week. A record as the wind is at a  right angle to the strip nearly 
      all year.
      
      Not happy with the trim. Although with Mike Moulai and myself, both above 
      230/240 lbs in the cockpit the trim was back within three notches of the 
      top, on my own I have the trim right forward and she is stll nose light. A 
      bit of tweaking needed.
      
      Cheers
      
      Pat
      
      do not archive
      
      
      -- 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Emailing: PICT0024 | 
      
      Pat,
      I never got the post with the pics, could you send em to me off list?
      I seem to not get many many posts these days as well as have many of my 
      posts never make it to the list. ?????
      Hope this one posts.
      
      Denny Rowe
      rowedl@highstream.net
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Dave & Eve Pelletier 
        To: kolb-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:40 PM
        Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Emailing: PICT0024
      
      
        Congratulations...she's a fine looking bird.
      
        AzDave
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: pat ladd 
          To: kolb-list@matronics.com 
          Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:12 PM
          Subject: Kolb-List: Emailing: PICT0024
      
      
          Hi all,
      
          I expect that I have got this wrong and  sent the whole shebang 
      instead of the couple of pics which I intended to  send.  Nevertheless 
      in there somewhere are one or two pics of me and the new Xtra.
      
          If the whole lot has been sent then there are pics of Wendy in Mick 
      Moulai`s machine as well..
      
          I expect someone will tell me how do do it properly.
      
          Cheers
      
          Pat 
      
      
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        No virus found in this incoming message.
      6/25/2006
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
      
      all welcome. still have not met alot of you guys E-mail me or check 
      funflite.com for location.
      |
      |                                                       Wade
      |                                                       FS2 #1030
      
      Morning Wade:
      
      Got some GPS coordinates?
      
      Will food be available?
      
      Shower?
      
      Steambath?
      
      Massage?
      
      Where is your airstrip located?  Looks like a good'un.
      
      john h
      mkIII 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Emailing: PICT0024 | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
      
        on my own I have the trim right forward and she is stll nose light. 
      A
      | bit of tweaking needed.
      |
      | Cheers
      |
      | Pat
      
      You can bring the nose down by slightly drooping the ailerons.
      
      Glad you are getting some air time.
      
      john h
      mkIII 
      
      
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      Hey Wade
      
         I hope to fly down one week end soon..  Putting hours on my Firefly.. 
      
      
         Here is the link again in html ..  Herb 
      
      http://www.funflite.com/
      
      
      On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:52:11 -0700 (PDT) WADE LAWICKI
      <wlawicki@yahoo.com> writes:
      Group,
                  Fly-In Aug 12-13  Near middle Tn. overnight camping, all
      welcome. still have not met alot of you guys E-mail me or check
      funflite.com for location.
      
                                                           Wade
                                                           FS2 #1030
      
      
      do not archive
      
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      Sweet Lord A'mighty!
      
      The page that the link below goes to shows a weight-shift Eagle, if I'm 
      not mistaken. That's the bird I first learned to fly in.
      
      How about a poll on this? What was YOUR first airplane, the one that you 
      actually flew?
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Herb Gayheart 
        To: kolb-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:37 AM
        Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aug Fly-In
      
      
        Hey Wade
      
           I hope to fly down one week end soon..  Putting hours on my 
      Firefly..  
      
           Here is the link again in html ..  Herb 
      
        http://www.funflite.com/
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      My first plane was a Weedhopper model C.
      
      Rick Neilsen
      Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: kfackler@ameritech.net 
        To: kolb-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:07 AM
        Subject: Kolb-List: First airplane
      
      
        Sweet Lord A'mighty!
      
        The page that the link below goes to shows a weight-shift Eagle, if 
      I'm not mistaken. That's the bird I first learned to fly in.
      
        How about a poll on this? What was YOUR first airplane, the one that 
      you actually flew?
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Herb Gayheart 
          To: kolb-list@matronics.com 
          Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:37 AM
          Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aug Fly-In
      
      
          Hey Wade
      
             I hope to fly down one week end soon..  Putting hours on my 
      Firefly..  
      
             Here is the link again in html ..  Herb 
      
          http://www.funflite.com/
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      Sweitzer 2-33.   No 2 cycle engine to be concerned with... no engine at
      all.. :-)  I took a few hours training in a 150 and  after a long ,
      boring and uncomfortable cross country , I went home and jumped into my
      MkIII and never looked back...  Herb 
      
      On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:07:48 -0400 <kfackler@ameritech.net> writes:
      Sweet Lord A'mighty!
      
      The page that the link below goes to shows a weight-shift Eagle, if I'm
      not mistaken. That's the bird I first learned to fly in.
      
      How about a poll on this? What was YOUR first airplane, the one that you
      actually flew?
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:37 AM
      
      
      Hey Wade
      
         I hope to fly down one week end soon..  Putting hours on my Firefly.. 
      
      
         Here is the link again in html ..  Herb 
      
      http://www.funflite.com/
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: kfackler@ameritech.net 
      
        How about a poll on this? What was YOUR first airplane, the one that 
      you actually flew?
          Quicksilver Sprint or Sport...don't remember which.
      
          AzDave
      
          Do Not Archive
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      In 1961, I bought a Piper J-3, N42245...  33 airplanes and helicopters sinc
      e
      then...
      
      DVD
      
      
      On 6/30/06, Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com> wrote:
      >
      >  Sweitzer 2-33.   No 2 cycle engine to be concerned with... no engine at
      > all.. :-)  I took a few hours training in a 150 and  after a long , borin
      g
      > and uncomfortable cross country , I went home and jumped into my MkIII an
      d
      > never looked back...  Herb
      >
      > On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:07:48 -0400 <kfackler@ameritech.net> writes:
      >
      > Sweet Lord A'mighty!
      >
      > The page that the link below goes to shows a weight-shift Eagle, if I'm
      > not mistaken. That's the bird I first learned to fly in.
      >
      > How about a poll on this? What was YOUR first airplane, the one that you
      > actually flew?
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > *From:* Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
      > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
      > *Sent:* Friday, June 30, 2006 9:37 AM
      > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Aug Fly-In
      >
      >
      > Hey Wade
      >
      >    I hope to fly down one week end soon..  Putting hours on my Firefly..
      >
      >    Here is the link again in html ..  Herb
      >
      > http://www.funflite.com/
      >
      >
      
      
      -- 
        "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"...
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      my 1st was a J-3 Cub.  Soon will be flying a Kolb  Firestar.
      
      "For once  you have tasted flight, You will walk this earth with your eyes 
      turned skyward.  For there you have been, And there you long to return."
      Jim Swan ,  Eaton Rapids, Mi 48827 
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      First One was...
      A Starflight
      
      This was my first powered plane.
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      answer  to poll....Tiger moth at Luton Sept 6 1939
      Vince Hallam
      please phone rather than email for best results!
      07941 313141
      01803 316191
      www.devonwindmills.co.uk
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Richard & Martha Neilsen 
        To: kolb-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:39 PM
        Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First airplane
      
      
        My first plane was a Weedhopper model C.
      
        Rick Neilsen
        Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
      
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: kfackler@ameritech.net 
          To: kolb-list@matronics.com 
          Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:07 AM
          Subject: Kolb-List: First airplane
      
      
          Sweet Lord A'mighty!
      
          The page that the link below goes to shows a weight-shift Eagle, if 
      I'm not mistaken. That's the bird I first learned to fly in.
      
          How about a poll on this? What was YOUR first airplane, the one that 
      you actually flew?
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Herb Gayheart 
            To: kolb-list@matronics.com 
            Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:37 AM
            Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aug Fly-In
      
      
            Hey Wade
      
               I hope to fly down one week end soon..  Putting hours on my 
      Firefly..  
      
               Here is the link again in html ..  Herb 
      
            http://www.funflite.com/
      
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      P-51, on a string :-)
      
      
      Allen B.
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave & Eve
      Pelletier
      Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:04 AM
      
      
      	----- Original Message ----- 
      
      	From: kfackler@ameritech.net 
      
      	 
      
      	How about a poll on this? What was YOUR first airplane, the one
      that you actually flew?
      
      		Quicksilver Sprint or Sport...don't remember which.
      
      		 
      
      		AzDave
      
      		 
      
      		Do Not Archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      Who knows...Airknocker or Cub? That was 60 years ago.
      Do not archive.
      
      jsf
      
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      C-150 out of Southborough Mass around 1975 (airport closed down a few years
      later and now it's an industrial park in its place)
      
      
      Ron
      
      
        _____  
      
      [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      kfackler@ameritech.net
      Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 7:08 AM
      
      
      Sweet Lord A'mighty!
      
      
      The page that the link below goes to shows a weight-shift Eagle, if I'm not
      mistaken. That's the bird I first learned to fly in.
      
      
      How about a poll on this? What was YOUR first airplane, the one that you
      actually flew?
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      
      
      Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:37 AM
      
      
      Hey Wade
      
      
         I hope to fly down one week end soon..  Putting hours on my Firefly..  
      
      
         Here is the link again in html ..  Herb 
      
      
      http://www.funflite.com/
      
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
      
      Quicksilver MX, two axis. It was tough to unlearn those skills when I went 
      to the Firestar II which is three axis. Lanny Fetterman N598LF.  BTW  My 
      application for amateur built was rejected by the FAA, no reason was given. 
      They sent me new forms to fill out, and put me in the ELSA catagory.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      65 hp Taylorcraft, in '57, then Schweitzer 233 in '80, then Pterodactyl in  
      '83, then Kolb Firestar
      
      George Randolph
      firestar driver
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
      
      John, I'd trade my MkIII even for one of these.  37 hp would make 
      things fun:
      http://www.goldenageair.org/collection/1932taylore2.htm
      
      Cessna 140, 1963, Griffiss AFB aero club.  If I'd stayed with it instead
      of buying a car to chase wimmen, they had two mint Beech T 34s to fly
      after you got your ticket.
      
      -BB  do not archive
      
      On 30, Jun 2006, at 2:53 PM, john s. flannery wrote:
      
      > Who knows...Airknocker or Cub? That was 60 years ago.
      > Do not archive.
      > 
      > jsf
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      Curtis Wright Jr.  .45hp Szekley ... 1936
      
      kfackler@ameritech.net wrote:          Sweet Lord A'mighty!
         
        The page that the link below goes to shows a weight-shift Eagle, if I'm not mistaken.
      That's the bird I first learned to fly in.
         
        How about a poll on this? What was YOUR first airplane, the one that you actually
      flew?
          ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Herb Gayheart 
        To: kolb-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:37 AM
        Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aug Fly-In
      
      
        Hey Wade
         
           I hope to fly down one week end soon..  Putting hours on my Firefly..  
         
           Here is the link again in html ..  Herb 
         
        http://www.funflite.com/
      
      
       		
      ---------------------------------
       Next-gen email? Have it all with the  all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      First time ever off the ground -- Navy SNJ, and I got sick! --  
      military, bored, hotshot pilot seeing how much I could take. We both  
      found out.
      First PIC a Cessna 172, not exciting but a safe, stable aircraft.  
      Nowhere near as 'good' as my beloved 170.
      Russ Kinne
      do not archive
      
      On Jun 30, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Ron wrote:
      
      > C-150 out of Southborough Mass around 1975 (airport closed down a  
      > few years later and now it=92s an industrial park in its place)
      >
      >
      > Ron
      >
      >
      > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list- 
      > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kfackler@ameritech.net
      > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 7:08 AM
      > To: kolb-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Kolb-List: First airplane
      >
      >
      > Sweet Lord A'mighty!
      >
      >
      > The page that the link below goes to shows a weight-shift Eagle, if  
      
      > I'm not mistaken. That's the bird I first learned to fly in.
      >
      >
      > How about a poll on this? What was YOUR first airplane, the one  
      > that you actually flew?
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      >
      > From: Herb Gayheart
      >
      > To: kolb-list@matronics.com
      >
      > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:37 AM
      >
      > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aug Fly-In
      >
      >
      > Hey Wade
      >
      >
      >    I hope to fly down one week end soon..  Putting hours on my  
      > Firefly..
      >
      >
      >    Here is the link again in html ..  Herb
      >
      >
      > http://www.funflite.com/
      >
      >
      
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
      
      I have a 2 blade Warp Drive prop hub for sale on ebay, and it looks like 
      it's not going to bring very much, currently less than $7, plus $12 
      shipping. So if any of you have a 3 blade Warp, and have thought of 
      experimenting with a 2 blade Warp Drive prop, here's your chance to do 
      it cheap.
      
      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=180001664911&ih=008&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT 
      <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=180001664911&ih=008&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT>
      
      Richard Pike
      MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
      
      do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
      
       -How about a poll on this? What was YOUR first airplane, the one that 
      you actually flew?
      
      
      Well, I solo's a Hughes TH-55 helicopter in September 1968.  Was a 
      wonderful time indeed.  By this time I had accepted the fact that I 
      would probably never get to go to flight school in the Army.  However, 
      at the ripe old age of 29 and a senior Captain, I had made it.
      
      My first fixed wing flight as Pilot In Command was my Ultrastar. 
      Built and flown July 1984.  This was my first flight and also my solo 
      flight in a fixed wing aircraft.  Don't recommend anyone else being 
      that stupid.
      
      First GA type solo flight was a Cessna 152 in June 1990.  Needed a 
      Private ticket to fly the mkIII that I was building.  Never got more 
      than 20 or so hours in the Cessna's.  Could not wait to get back in a 
      Kolb.  I did get an hour in a 152 two years later because I could not 
      find a CFI that would give me a BFR in my mkIII.
      
      john h
      mkIII
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
      
      
      In 1961, I bought a Piper J-3, N42245...  33 airplanes and helicopters 
      since
      then...
      
      DVD
      
      
       Looks like you did more buying than flying.  ;-)
      
      I have built and owned three aircraft:
      
      Ultrastar
      Firestar
      mkIII
      
      More than 14 years and 2,500 hours in the mkIII.  Hard to believe I 
      could get one to last that long.  The first two did not take me long 
      to wear out.  hehehe
      
      john h
      mkIII 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
      
      
      answer  to poll....Tiger moth at Luton Sept 6 1939
      Vince Hallam
      
      Vince, my friend:
      
      I was 4 months, 28 days old on that date.
      
      Time for us to have lunch again.  When are you coming back over to the 
      US? and Sun and Fun?
      
      john h
      mkIII 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      Wish I had been more like you...  There were several "keepers" in the bunch
      that I wish I had now...
      
      Up until 16 years ago I was a GA mechanic and my Dad was a Beechcraft
      dealer...  It was an excellent vehicle to buy, fix up, fly and sell
      (hopefully for profit) aircraft...  It was my whole life and I really didn'
      t
      have an additional life...
      
      DVD
      
      do not archive
      
      
      On 6/30/06, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
      >
      > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
      >
      >
      > In 1961, I bought a Piper J-3, N42245...  33 airplanes and helicopters
      > since
      > then...
      >
      > DVD
      >
      >
      > Looks like you did more buying than flying.  ;-)
      >
      > I have built and owned three aircraft:
      >
      > Ultrastar
      > Firestar
      > mkIII
      >
      > More than 14 years and 2,500 hours in the mkIII.  Hard to believe I
      > could get one to last that long.  The first two did not take me long
      > to wear out.  hehehe
      >
      > john h
      > mkIII
      >
      >
      
      
      -- 
        "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"...
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
      
      First 1/4 airplane: '37 Aeronca C-3 with 3 cyl 37hp (on a good day)  
      Szekley (pronounced shay-kay, not zeek-lee), four-way partnership, '40.
      
      regards,
      Bob N.
      http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
      
       Sheezzzz!
      
      That was three years prior to birth date. hehehe
      
      john h
      mkIII
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
      
      | Szekley (pronounced shay-kay, not zeek-lee), four-way partnership, 
      '40.
      |
      | regards,
      | Bob N.
      
      
      Grey Baron:
      
      You told me a Wright Flyer........................
      
      john h
      mkIII 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      First solo was a PA-140 in Nov 1972
      First solo in a plane I owned was a Rutan Long-EZ I built. Jan 7,  1985
      The most Fun overall is Firefly #007 on floats
      All three of these craft are still in service today.
      
      Steve Boetto
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
      
      John,
      Wrong Flyer!
      Bob N.
      do not archive
      
      
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      First flight... 1974, Piper Cherokee (toy on a string, hooked it to a chair back,
      then tugged... landed it on a paper runway)...
         
        But it that does not count, fast forward to...
         
        First Solo flight... 5/3/87, Wills Wing Raven 209 (Hang Glider) at Lookout Mountain
      Flight Park, . The view from the launch pad was awesome, the view after
      leaving the launch pad that first time... priceless!
         
        First powered solo flight 12/7/87, Cessna 152 (ho hum...), Smyrna TN...
         
        First Ultralight solo flight 1/3/88 Sorrell Hyperlight with a 277 (you might
      already have guessed the next line), Eagleville TN...
         
        First Ultralight dead stick landing 1/3/88 (yep, first flight was also first
      engine out landing!), Eagleville TN...
         
        First Kolb flight... hopefully later this summer!
         
        Mike S
        Manchester TN
        Firestar2 503
           
      
      
      BPA <BPA@bpaengines.com> wrote:
      
                      P-51, on a string J
         
        Allen B.
         
        -----Original Message-----
      Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:04 AM
         
           
      
            ----- Original Message ----- 
      
          From: kfackler@ameritech.net 
      
           
      
          How about a poll on this? What was YOUR first airplane, the one that you actually
      flew?
      
            Quicksilver Sprint or Sport...don't remember which.
      
           
      
          AzDave
      
           
      
          Do Not Archive
      
      
       		
      ---------------------------------
       Everyone is raving about the  all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: <kfackler@ameritech.net>
      
      Wow! All these replies and nobody got annoyed at anyone else. Whooo hooo!
      
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -
      
      Texan (talking to a Yankee): Why did the chicken cross the road?
      
      Yankee: I don't know.
      
      Texan: To prove to armadillos that it _can_ be done!
      
      do not archive
      
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
      
      First flight at Davis Air Service Chehalis, Washington in 1957 in my
      Dad's  Aeronica Chief. First solo 1970 in my Dad's 47 PA12.  My first
      plane a 47 C-120 Spam
      Can.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Vortex Generators | 
      
      Hi Gang
      Just received my July 2006, EAA Sport Pilot magazine.On page 27, there 
      is a story about vortex generators, cuffs, fences and stall strips. 
      Since there has been numerous discussions on this subject I thought some 
      of you may be interested in the article.
      Bill Vincent
      Firestar II
      Upper Peninsula of Michigan
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
      
      John Hauck
      How could you have flown a stork pre-natally??? By three years?
      do not archive
      
      On Jun 30, 2006, at 4:56 PM, John Hauck wrote:
      
      > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
      >
      >  Sheezzzz!
      >
      > That was three years prior to birth date. hehehe
      >
      > john h
      > mkIII
      >
      >
      
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
      
      I wasn't , then though, ah what the heck....
      
      First flight...before I can remember accurately. My first big 
      impression was riding in the back of Pop's 170 somewhere 
      around '57 as he flew over to a towered/lighted airport to do 
      night landings and sim ILS approaches. I remember that one 
      because there was a grasshopper hanging on to the strut and I 
      was fascinated with his gripping power. Fell off after 20 min.
      
      Soloed a J3 in '68. Soloed a Navion in '69. Got time in a 
      Citabria, PA-11, PA-18. I recall winning a dinky trophy for a fuel 
      consumption contest at a Navion fly-in...off by just .2 gal. Also 
      recall that there was a vent in the roof of the Navion that the 
      back seat pax could open and, if you're young and bored and 
      just riding along somewhere, one could sneak on a roll of toilet 
      paper, feed one end out the vent and let suction do the rest by 
      unwinding it out into the ether. Always wondered what folks on 
      the ground thought about that. "Look, Ma!"
      
      Didn't do much of anything for quite awhile til getting a private 
      ticket in 2002. But I wasn't stuck on the ground, either. As an Air 
      Traffic type for Uncle, we could get familiarization flights if we 
      did something to wow the front office. Not that I was any great 
      shakes but always managed to latch on to some project that 
      gained some modicum of notoriety (to be fair, some of the rides 
      simply involved calling the Command Post and asking what was 
      going out and could I get a ride). Through this mechanism I got 
      rides in:
      
      UH-1, T-28, U-8, U-21, OV-10, T-38, C-141, C-5, C-23, F-111, 
      F-4, KC-135, KC-10, KC-97, C-121, T-39, T37, C-130 (including 
      assault strip landings and takeoffs plus LAPES drops while 
      standing in the door), C-119, C-123, and a couple others I've 
      probably forgotten. I must say that the Aarvark was the most 
      impressive of the lot. Did a max climb to 45K then down over the 
      Wash (NW East Anglia, UK) and then up to Mach 1 toward 
      Skegness and then back to RAF Lakenheath. What impressed 
      me was tha lack of noise. That was one big electric 
      machine...just a hum and a whoosh. I also recall that they didn't 
      give me a correct pre-flight brief in the cockpit mock-up. After I 
      was in the airplane I'd hooked up the oxygen mask to the 
      console and flipped the selector in the direction and number of 
      clicks that I was told to (selector was a by-feel affair, to my left-
      rear and behind my line of sight)....not the right result. There was 
      vastly reduced flow but marginally sufficient. The pilot asked 
      how I was doing and I asked is it normally like this, hard to 
      breath? He said "Oh crap!" and flipped the selector one more 
      notch....big old blast of oxy that literally forced the mask off my 
      face for a second then calmed down.
      
      Built FS 2 in 1994. Soled a 152 and 172 in 2002. Bought a 
      Bellanca Viking (complex/high perf) in 2003 while having a 
      grand total of 120 hours. That's turning out to be a money pit. 
      The plane is basically OK but the systems are a bit long in the 
      tooth. The engine cranckcase cracked about 3/4 of the way 
      around #6 cylinder the Friday before Mother's Day. Got it on the 
      ground in Beckley, WV and have bought a Continental rebuilt 
      ($27k) and R&R'ing various components, including the prop 
      which, I learned this morning, needs a new hub to the tune of 
      $3.2k. I keep telling folks this is like giving a diamond to a pig. 
      But a fast pig at that...just before the crack I was tooling along at 
      180kts. 
      
      The adventure contines....
      
      Jim Baker
      580.788.2779
      Elmore City, OK
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
      
      
      | How could you have flown a stork pre-natally??? By three years?
      
      Russ:
      
      Don't think I know what you are talking about.
      
      Should have listed part of the referenced msg from Ray Anderson.
      
      Ray said he soloed in 1936.  That was three years prior to my birth 
      date.
      
      Don't remember flying a stork, but flew an old ragged Ultrastar for a 
      gentleman that flew like  a turkey.
      
      john h
      mkIII 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      John,
         
        I actually soloed in 1935 and bought the mate to my solo airplane,  Curtiss Jr.
      in 1936. Got a lot of riding time with my instructor in his Cessna AW, the
      first Cessna with a cantilever wing. Tube, fabric and wood construction.  Pilot
      up front in single seat, two passengers behind. Also in his 1932  Cabin Waco.
      Can't remember the model.  Every thing free and easy without much interference
      from the Feds. John, you would have been in hog heaven back then. 
      
      John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
        --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" 
      
      
      | How could you have flown a stork pre-natally??? By three years?
      
      Russ:
      
      Don't think I know what you are talking about.
      
      Should have listed part of the referenced msg from Ray Anderson.
      
      Ray said he soloed in 1936. That was three years prior to my birth 
      date.
      
      Don't remember flying a stork, but flew an old ragged Ultrastar for a 
      gentleman that flew like a turkey.
      
      john h
      mkIII 
      
      
       		
      ---------------------------------
      Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.  Great rates starting
      at 1/min.
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
      
      
      Every thing free and easy without much interference from the Feds.
      
      John, you would have been in hog heaven back then.
      |
      
      Ray:
      
      You got that right.
      
      I never enjoyed flying so much until I built the Ultrastar.  Pretty 
      much flew it and the Firestar when, where, and how I wanted to. 
      Figured if the Feds got on me I could always plead ignorance.
      
      Funny how things, my attitude, changed once I got the mkIII with an N 
      number stuck on its tail.  Felt better because I was finally legal, 
      but really toned down my flying.
      
      Other morning I realized my Class III physical would expire the last 
      of this month, well..........tomorrow.  Called Doc Foshee over in 
      Clanton.  He is retired, but still gives flight physicals in his home 
      which in right next to the airport.  Doc said come on over and get my 
      physical.  Got to my airstrip and the cows had crapped all over the 
      north end and the little parking area in front of the hangers.  I have 
      never seen so much cow crap in one area in my life.  Didn't have time 
      to the one of the tractors to drag it, so that cut my 750 ft strip to 
      about 350 ft.  Now sweat.  Got out with no problem.  Landed at Clanton 
      Airport, taxied overe to the NW corner of the field, up next to the 
      fence.  Hopped the fence, walked about a block to Doc's house.  Got my 
      physical and was back in the airplane in 20 minutes.  Now my problem 
      was getting back into my strip without hitting cow crap.  No wind to 
      help, but got her in and stopped before we got to the "mined" end of 
      the strip.
      
      So...I am good to go for another two years.  Got my BFR while on my 
      flight out West.  Need to sign off my Annual Inspection, and I am good 
      to go.
      
      Take care,
      
      john h
      mkIII
      
      PS:  Nice living and flying in a small town atmosphere. 
      
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "blackbird" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
      
      I am wondering what you guys do to rivit the lexan to the frame....I have done
      this panel twice now and have cracks starting in 24 hours....Am I pulling them
      too tight...I have already opened the rivit hole in the lexan up some...
      
      
      Very frustrating....
      
      
      Wayne
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=44074#44074
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      My first is also my present- Kolb Firestar II, first flown in '98.
      
      Howard Shackleford
      FS II
      SC
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First airplane | 
      
      My first plane and solo was in a Wizard J-3 in 1981 I  believe.  Took 3.5 
      hours time in a Champ 7-ac I believe it was.
      
                               Ed Diebel        Firefly #  62
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Riviting Lexan | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
      
      Drill the holes a generous size larger than the rivet. Use aluminum 
      rivets. The lexan will expand and  contract differently than the 
      aluminum or steel framework, give it room to move. Make sure it is real 
      Lexan and not acrylic or plexiglas. Anything with superglue or mek or 
      lacquer thinner in it will make Lexan/Acrylic/Plexiglas go bad and crack.
      
      Richard Pike
      MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
      
      blackbird wrote:
      > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "blackbird" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
      >
      > I am wondering what you guys do to rivit the lexan to the frame....I have done
      this panel twice now and have cracks starting in 24 hours....Am I pulling them
      too tight...I have already opened the rivit hole in the lexan up some...
      >
      >
      > Very frustrating....
      >
      >
      > Wayne
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=44074#44074
      >
      >
      >  
      >  
      >  
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
      
      Rumor has it that Icarus signed his logbook.
      
      Ed in JXN (MI)
      
      Do not archive.
      
      
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      Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:10 PM
      
      
      > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
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      > '40.
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      > Grey Baron:
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      > You told me a Wright Flyer........................
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      > john h
      > mkIII 
      
      
 
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