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1. 12:22 AM - Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing (Dave Bigelow)
2. 07:23 AM - Re: Work halted (blackbird)
3. 07:49 AM - Re: Work halted (Ralph Hoover)
4. 07:59 AM - Re: Work halted (Ralph Hoover)
5. 08:14 AM - Re: Work halted (blackbird)
6. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: Work halted (George Myers)
7. 10:16 AM - Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing (John Hauck)
8. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Work halted (Bob Noyer)
9. 11:07 AM - Re: Work halted (Ralph Hoover)
10. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Work halted (George Myers)
11. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Work halted (George Myers)
12. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing (Jack B. Hart)
13. 02:42 PM - Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing (John Hauck)
14. 02:47 PM - Large Files :-( (John Hauck)
15. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing (ray anderson)
16. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Work halted (Mike Schnabel)
17. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: Work halted (Mike Schnabel)
18. 05:17 PM - Re: Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing (Mike Schnabel)
19. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing (Jim Baker)
20. 06:38 PM - Re: canopy FFII (planecrazzzy)
21. 07:03 PM - Matt Dralle =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Why are we using this antiquated system ??? (JetPilot)
22. 07:15 PM - Re: canopy FFII (galen shirley)
23. 07:23 PM - Re: Work halted (Jim Baker)
24. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: Work halted (Gary L. Knapp)
25. 07:52 PM - Re: Matt Dralle =?windows-1252?Q?'_Why_are_we? (Richard Pike)
26. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing (Richard Pike)
27. 08:12 PM - Re: Matt Dralle =?windows-1252?Q?'_Why_are_we? (Charlie England)
28. 08:23 PM - (Matt Dralle)
29. 08:52 PM - Re: (John Cooley)
30. 09:28 PM - Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (ray anderson)
31. 09:55 PM - Re: Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing (Jim Baker)
32. 10:03 PM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:__Matt_Dralle_=93_Why_are_?= we (jerb)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" <up_country@hotmail.com>
> Ran through the Rotax break-in process chart, changing RPM at the appropriate
intervals. Watching closely all gauges. RPM had a few spots it liked and would
hold dead steady (5000 was one). But a few were hard to hold steady (5500),
where it would hold then slowly climb, tap the throttle a tad to get it back,
steady, then it would slowly drop... so for some of the 5 minutes runs would have
to baby it to keep it on target, others would hold perfect the whole 5 minutes.
Prop flex perhaps?
Mike,
I've operated Rotax 503's on two different aircraft, and have had difficulty setting
a specific RPM in the 5,000-6,000 range without drifting, even though the
throttle was locked. I think it is the nature of the beast.
--------
Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "blackbird" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
The latest.......Ralph gotta luv you man.......amazing what we are losing....seems
aircraft and motorcycles go together and their problems.....How did you know
we fight the other thing also....LOL...
Inspection went well......seems they were concerned about me giving rides out of
my 23 acre field.......Soooo.....I ....SPECIFICALLY asked about storage and
doing work on aircraft brought to my home......ANSWER.......absolutely not........aircraft
belong on an airfield.......
EAA has not responded ...........Yet..............Whatcha think Ralph? ....
Pic is of home and field ....field is at the bottom of the pic.
WT
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Wait a minuet, That's John Travoltas house. Where did you put the hanger for the
two jets?
So, You must be the millionaire that A.M.A. helped out, huh! Ha, Ha!
Did you tell them you do not have an airplane? You have only a bunch of steel and
aluminum deco art compiled in an arrangement made to look like a plane. And
if they wanted to push the matter, tell them you will hire a F.A.A. Inspector
to "certify" that your deco art is un-flyable! Or hire me and I will come out
and "out of love" I will whoop your insurance agents tush! My fee will depend
on how big he is. And if its a woman, I will charge more. I don't like hittin
no woman! Ha, HA!
I have to tell you though, I recently received a e-mail from another flying buddy
that had a picture of John Travolta's house overhead just like yours and the
only difference in the picture was the enclosed awning that went to his hanger
at the side of his house to his two jets!
So we can be far about this, I had a like problem with my insurance agent years
ago regarding using my surrounding yard as a landing field and he adamantly said
NO WAY! Don't know why. I have included a picture for your viewing pleasure.
Yodeling out back here in the flat lands of central Ohio Ralph.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Sorry guys! I ass umed that because the file was a "bit map' that it would be small.
Matt, if your reading...please shrink somehow. Now the picture was from
"strangeCosmos.com" and I do not take credit for it. I am only resending it as
sent to me, taking no credit for it in any way. It is sent in it's entirety,
without any modifications. If you are a lawyer looking for money, I am broke.
That is not my real house. My real house is down in the valley to the right of
the "StrangecCosmos.com picture. It is that cardboard lean-to about 10 clicks
out. So I have nothing to gain for suing me.
Thanks for your support here in the flatlands of Central Ohio
Ralph
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Ralph ,
You are a trip indeed.......LOL....
Didn't even know those things existed.....Bet his toilets flush good..
WT
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Had no idea you were THAT devout.
-------Original Message-------
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.co
m>
>Wait a minuet, That's John Travolta=99s house. Where did you put t
he
>hanger for the two jets?
>adamantly said NO WAY! Don't know why. I have included a picture for yo
ur
>iewing pleasure.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Mike,
I've operated Rotax 503's on two different aircraft, and have had difficulty setting
a specific RPM in the 5,000-6,000 range without drifting, even though the
throttle was locked. I think it is the nature of the beast.
David B:
I believe the reason the Rotax two stroke is not too happy in the 5300 to 5500
rpm range is because this is the area that the engine "gets up on the pipe", e.g.,
the exhaust system is a tuned system designed to operate continuously above
this rpm range. Above 5500 rpm the engine is getting much more efficient,
putting out more hp, and is happier than lower rpm's and especially that area
where it is trying to, but not quite up on the pipe.
When one changes power from two to four stroke, the first major change in operation
seems to be the absence of this "unsteady" area.
john h
mkIII
PS: I am on the road. 1.6 mb downloads on a telephone modem ruin my opportunity
to enjoy the Kolb List and the internet when I am traveling with the lap top.
Also helps to make the Kolb List more enjoyable and educational to stick to
the subject of Kolb aircraft, engines, and Kolb related cross country and local
flying. There are nearly 700 members on this List. I am sure some probably
feel similar to the way I feel. A lot of this stuff could go back copy to
the individual, especially negotiating sale of an airplane and/or its equipment.
Sorry is my comments disturb a few, but that is the way I feel. Wouldn't
hurt for every member of the Kolb List to "really" read the commandments Matt
sends to the List each month. Me especially.
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
Geo.,
What is the purpose of BackGrnd,jpg that you send?
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Bob N. said: "
Geo.,
What is the purpose of BackGrnd,jpg that you send? "
Bob I.M.H.O. and I could be wrong, but I believe it to be the same "hypnotic disk"
that George used to get his picture on his profile to look like it does. You
didn't look at it did you Bob?
Ha. HA!
And George...."step away from the camera, we do not need to know taht you have
green eyes"! Ha, HA!
Did you say "devout or devoid"?
Actually if you were able to look at the photo of the house on the mountain top
you would notice the circular hole to the center of the mountain on the far right.
That was my previous house prior to the cardboard leanto , but the bats
chased me out!
Displaced somewhere here in Ohio , and a legend in my own mind Ralph
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Myers" <gmyers@grandecom.net>
It's the background on my fancy email. Didn't realize it was being sent.
I fixie.
>Geo.,
>What is the purpose of BackGrnd,jpg that you send?
>regards,
>Bob N.
>http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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Both "houses" seems to remind me of monastery's in Greece. You wouldn't b
e
Greek now would you?
As for my picture, I'm just gettin' a close look at all you weirdos. :-)
George
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-------Original Message-------
>From: Ralph Hoover
>Date: 07/11/06 13:12:35
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Work halted
> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
>Bob N. said: "
>Geo.,
>What is the purpose of BackGrnd,jpg that you send? "
Bob I.M.H.O. and I could be wrong, but I believe it to be the same "hypno
tic
disk" that George used to get his picture on his profile to look like it
does. You didn't look at it did you Bob?
Ha. HA!
And George...."step away from the camera, we do not need to know taht you
have green eyes"! Ha, HA!
Did you say "devout or devoid"?
Actually if you were able to look at the photo of the house on the mounta
in
top you would notice the circular hole to the center of the mountain on t
he
far right. That was my previous house prior to the cardboard leanto , but
the bats chased me out!
Displaced somewhere here in Ohio , and a legend in my own mind Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 10:15 AM 7/11/06 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>When one changes power from two to four stroke, the first major change in operation
seems to be the absence of this "unsteady" area.
>
>john h
>mkIII
John, & Kolbers,
Not all two cycle engines show this unsteady or rpm creep. The Simonini,
Victor 1 is a reed valve engine with a tuned pipe. No problem with rpm
creep or rpm fluctuations in the cruise speed rpm range.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> John, & Kolbers,
>
> Not all two cycle engines show this unsteady or rpm creep. The Simonini,
> Victor 1 is a reed valve engine with a tuned pipe. No problem with rpm
> creep or rpm fluctuations in the cruise speed rpm range.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
Jack H:
This only occurs on the Rotax engines (2 strokes) in the area of 5300 to 5500 rpm.
Normal cruise for a Rotax two stroke is 5,800 rpm, which is 75% power. Well
above "getting on the pipe". Even the rotary valve 532 and 582 do this.
As for reed valve engines, reed valves do not change the port timing of the intake
and exhaust, meerly increase efficiency of the intake system. The design
of the exhaust system (expansion chamber) dictates how "peaky" or "torquey" a
two stroke will be, and how noticeable the area will be where the engine is starting
to use the pipe effectively.
I forget where it occurred on the Cuyuna ULII02, which has been 21 years since
I have flown one, but it too had an area where it would not want to settle down.
In addition to the pipe, expansion chamber, and prop load, you will probably get
this on any two stroke unless it is a seriously detuned engine. Two strokes
are very supceptible to prop loading. A little nose up or down will quickly
increase or decrease rpm. One major reason, I believe, is prop loading greatly
affects carb tuning. Nose up, runs richer and slower. Nose down, runs leaner
and faster.
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Ralph H:
Sorry, I can not reply to your bc msg reference large files and downloads except
on the web based Kolb List.
I can receive email on my regular email account, but can not send it out on other's
cable or modems.
Try to get back with you when I get home in a few days.
john h
mkIII
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing |
I've never noticed it with the UltraStar Cuyunas.
"Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart"
At 10:15 AM 7/11/06 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
>
>When one changes power from two to four stroke, the first major change in operation
seems to be the absence of this "unsteady" area.
>
>john h
>mkIII
John, & Kolbers,
Not all two cycle engines show this unsteady or rpm creep. The Simonini,
Victor 1 is a reed valve engine with a tuned pipe. No problem with rpm
creep or rpm fluctuations in the cruise speed rpm range.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Ralph,
That was a fair assumption, that a "bitmap" would be small. But as an FYI, and
I dont know why, the bitmaps are usually about 10x larger or even more than
a JPG or GIF. If you have a choice, send a JPG, then a GIF and lastly a BMP.
If you or anyone else wants to share a picture with the group, but are concerned
or are just is not sure if its "too big"... for the dial up boys... send it
to me off list, I will GLADLY downsize and return to you, for the group to see,
and they will never know the difference! I am one of the lucky ones, and have
broadband cable, so even the big old files dont bother me!
Just trying to help a Brother out here!
Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar 2 503
Ralph Hoover <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover"
Sorry guys! I ass umed that because the file was a "bit map' that it would be small.
Matt, if your reading...please shrink somehow. Now the picture was from
"strangeCosmos.com" and I do not take credit for it. I am only resending it as
sent to me, taking no credit for it in any way. It is sent in it's entirety,
without any modifications. If you are a lawyer looking for money, I am broke.
That is not my real house. My real house is down in the valley to the right of
the "StrangecCosmos.com picture. It is that cardboard lean-to about 10 clicks
out. So I have nothing to gain for suing me.
Thanks for your support here in the flatlands of Central Ohio
Ralph
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WT, and Ralph,
This whole string of messages is very VERY concerning. I have 22 acres here,
with a newly groomed runway. I did some homework with the County Land Use authority
when I started, and was eased that they said, "as long as its a hobby, in
the county they dont have any regulations"... But I am now worrying about the
what ifs, ...
Seems like the only freedom left untouched around here, is the freedom to climb
that fence at the south border and stroll in and make yourself at home... sorry
for the Sinicism, but thats just how I am starting to feel about all this...
Mike S
Better do not archive this one, dont want any evidence that I was anti-anything
left for the feds to find...
blackbird <blackbird754@alltel.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "blackbird"
The latest.......Ralph gotta luv you man.......amazing what we are losing....seems
aircraft and motorcycles go together and their problems.....How did you know
we fight the other thing also....LOL...
Inspection went well......seems they were concerned about me giving rides out of
my 23 acre field.......Soooo.....I ....SPECIFICALLY asked about storage and
doing work on aircraft brought to my home......ANSWER.......absolutely not........aircraft
belong on an airfield.......
EAA has not responded ...........Yet..............Whatcha think Ralph? ....
Pic is of home and field ....field is at the bottom of the pic.
WT
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| Subject: | Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing |
John / Gang,
Thanks for the insight on the RPM comment that I experienced. I felt sure that
as steady as the engine performed that day, this "area" of instability was due
to some specific factors. My first thoughts were that each wisp of breeze was
enough to change the inertia of the prop and the flex of its composite to flatten
out, as if it was riding on a design edge for flex thus allowing a rev
increase in the RPM. And your comment about riding on the pipe at just that RPM
also makes great sense.
I thank you and ALL the others list members for the great input and advice, I
feel perfectly comfortable now with this engines performance that day on the
ground. I have a great lack of experience, and wanted to share what I saw, to
hope I could be alerted if something was really amiss. Again, thanks to ALL for
your invaluable input, you have made a shining example of why this list has
so much to offer. The sharing of ideas and experience. Above all, though sometimes
not easy to see on the surface, I believe we all want to help each other
stay safe in the air and on the ground.
Mike S
Manchester, TN
Firestar 2 503
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John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
Mike,
I've operated Rotax 503's on two different aircraft, and have had difficulty setting
a specific RPM in the 5,000-6,000 range without drifting, even though the
throttle was locked. I think it is the nature of the beast.
David B:
I believe the reason the Rotax two stroke is not too happy in the 5300 to 5500
rpm range is because this is the area that the engine "gets up on the pipe", e.g.,
the exhaust system is a tuned system designed to operate continuously above
this rpm range. Above 5500 rpm the engine is getting much more efficient, putting
out more hp, and is happier than lower rpm's and especially that area where
it is trying to, but not quite up on the pipe.
When one changes power from two to four stroke, the first major change in operation
seems to be the absence of this "unsteady" area.
john h
mkIII
PS: I am on the road. 1.6 mb downloads on a telephone modem ruin my opportunity
to enjoy the Kolb List and the internet when I am traveling with the lap top.
Also helps to make the Kolb List more enjoyable and educational to stick to the
subject of Kolb aircraft, engines, and Kolb related cross country and local
flying. There are nearly 700 members on this List. I am sure some probably feel
similar to the way I feel. A lot of this stuff could go back copy to the individual,
especially negotiating sale of an airplane and/or its equipment. Sorry
is my comments disturb a few, but that is the way I feel. Wouldn't hurt for
every member of the Kolb List to "really" read the commandments Matt sends to
the List each month. Me especially.
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
> Thanks for the insight on the RPM comment that I experienced. I felt sure that
as steady as the
> engine performed that day, this "area" of instability was due to some specific
factors.
Probably not the factors that you think are in play. I'd urge
anyone with a real sense of inquisitiveness to explore the
following....
http://edj.net/2stroke/jennings/2stroketunershandbook.pdf
This is not a small PDF..around 7.5MB, but one of the best two-
stroke tomes no longer available in print except as purchased
used....if you can find it.
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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I'd like to see it...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Matt Dralle =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Why are we using this antiquated |
system ???
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
With all the talk lately about the size of file attachments and the bandwidth they
take I have to ask why are you still using such an antiquated system of an
email list. The email system wastes a huge amount of bandwidth by sending everything
to everyone subscribed to the list when the fact is most of it is never
read. The other problem with the current system is that threads are continually
being broken apart as people get the subject line off by one character which
really takes away from some of the larger threads. There is also the issue
of people always having to worry about cluttering the list. The current email
list system has so many limitations and drawbacks that users are constantly
having work around them, even though some may not realize it.
Everyone with a computer now has Internet Explorer and the ability to use the forum
format, it is time for us to join the modern world and all use the forum
format. It will save you a huge amount of bandwidth, by only having to send picture
and video files to those that want to see them, and it will also solve
the problem of large pictures and attachments clogging up peoples email. The
forum format will make it easier for people to post, and read all the subjects
in a logical, well organized manner. There is every advantage to moving us to
a forum only format with very little downside.
Many people never like change, and some people here are so used to the email system,
that they will not like the idea of anything different even if it is better.
We should not let them hold improvements, they will come around once they
get used to a better system and we will all be better off. The current antiquated
email list hurts us all by its inherent limitations and stifles the potential
of your forum. You have a great thing going here, but it could be so much
better. I just wonder why you dont bring us up modern standards here on
the list like every other forum in the world.
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "galen shirley" <oneaviator@msn.com>
I would like to see the pictures of your canopy too.
Thanks
Galen
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Jim,
You sound like your from Vermont.
I couldn't have said it better.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Baker
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:22 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Work halted
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker"
>....SPECIFICALLY asked about storage and doing work on
>aircraft brought to my home......ANSWER.......absolutely
>not........aircraft belong on an airfield.......
I work on my car...it's not a garage.
I work on my scuba gear....it's not a dive shop.
I weld metal....it's not a metal fab shop.
I work on my boat...it's not a marina.
I raise fighting pit bulls...it's Oklahoma (substitute Arkansas if
you want to).
I brew my own whiskey in the cellar...it's not a distillery.
I shoot damn near anything that moves and is not fuzzy or furry
or feathery...it's not a war zone.
It's not an airplane until the FAA says it is....it's not a frickin'
airport.
I use ether to start recalcitrant engines....it's not a meth lab.
I have a Continental powered generator...an engine made by an
honest-to-God aircraft engine manufacturer? God forbid!!!!
I have 1000 gallon propane tank sittin' next to my house...you
ignorant idiots!!!
I've had hail the size of softballs....airplanes under construction
are dangerous?
I've got my own 2600 foot runway and hanger and occasionally I
let just any old riff-raff land there just to spite you. Un-licensed,
un-registered, out-of-annual...not my problem. Hey...its on the
sectional, stoopid!
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
PS....OK...so I don't really have any Pit Bulls.......but I can get
some on short notice if you, Mr/Ms Insurance Agent will just let
me know when you're coming around to verify all the above.....
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| Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle =?windows-1252?Q?'_Why_are_we? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
As a throughly converted Mozilla Firefox user, I find it quaint to hear
"Internet Explorer" and "Modern World" used in the same sentence... On
the other hand, I am antiquated enough to like the Kolb list just the
way it is. Sort of like my MKIII, even with all it's inherent
limitations and drawbacks, I like it too.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
JetPilot wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
> With all the talk lately about the size of file attachments and the bandwidth
they take I have to ask why are you still using such an antiquated system of
an email list. The email system wastes a huge amount of bandwidth by sending
everything to everyone subscribed to the list when the fact is most of it is never
read. The other problem with the current system is that threads are continually
being broken apart as people get the subject line off by one character
which really takes away from some of the larger threads. There is also the issue
of people always having to worry about cluttering the list. The current
email list system has so many limitations and drawbacks that users are constantly
having work around them, even though some may not realize it.
>
> Everyone with a computer now has Internet Explorer and the ability to use the
forum format, it is time for us to join the modern world and all use the forum
format. It will save you a huge amount of bandwidth, by only having to send
picture and video files to those that want to see them, and it will also solve
the problem of large pictures and attachments clogging up peoples email. The
forum format will make it easier for people to post, and read all the subjects
in a logical, well organized manner. There is every advantage to moving us
to a forum only format with very little downside.
>
> Many people never like change, and some people here are so used to the email
system, that they will not like the idea of anything different even if it is better.
We should not let them hold improvements, they will come around once they
get used to a better system and we will all be better off. The current antiquated
email list hurts us all by its inherent limitations and stifles the potential
of your forum. You have a great thing going here, but it could be so
much better. I just wonder why you dont bring us up modern standards here on
the list like every other forum in the world.
>
> Michael A. Bigelow
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46540#46540
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Have been avidly absorbing the Jennings book, (Thanks, Jim!) it has been
years since I have last seen it. Something I was looking for, and have
apparently found a slight reference to is on page 58, and has to do with
port alignment.
The 582 has a real discontinuity in it's inlet tract, the relationship
between the carb, the rubber manifold and the intake port, and the port
on the inside of the rotary valve appears to be made with no thought or
concern to any smoothness at all. One section is bigger, one is smaller,
there are flat surfaces sticking out as if gas flow is a non-event. Yet
the thing obviously runs well, but looking at it, it seems contrary to
what it ought to be. Anybody else have any comments on the 582 inlet path?
I do take the 582 exhaust gaskets and clean them up around the inside
with a moto-tool, so they don't protrude into the exhaust gas path.
Seems to help keep carbon from accumulating as quickly within the
exhaust, or maybe it's just the clean oil, I dunno... Comments?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Jim Baker wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
>
>
>> Thanks for the insight on the RPM comment that I experienced. I felt sure that
as steady as the
>> engine performed that day, this "area" of instability was due to some specific
factors.
>>
>
> Probably not the factors that you think are in play. I'd urge
> anyone with a real sense of inquisitiveness to explore the
> following....
>
> http://edj.net/2stroke/jennings/2stroketunershandbook.pdf
>
> This is not a small PDF..around 7.5MB, but one of the best two-
> stroke tomes no longer available in print except as purchased
> used....if you can find it.
>
> Jim Baker
> 580.788.2779
> Elmore City, OK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle =?windows-1252?Q?'_Why_are_we? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
JetPilot wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>With all the talk lately about the size of file attachments and the bandwidth
they take I have to ask why are you still using such an antiquated system of an
email list. The email system wastes a huge amount of bandwidth by sending everything
to everyone subscribed to the list when the fact is most of it is never
read. The other problem with the current system is that threads are continually
being broken apart as people get the subject line off by one character
which really takes away from some of the larger threads. There is also the issue
of people always having to worry about cluttering the list. The current email
list system has so many limitations and drawbacks that users are constantly
having work around them, even though some may not realize it.
>
>Everyone with a computer now has Internet Explorer and the ability to use the
forum format, it is time for us to join the modern world and all use the forum
format. It will save you a huge amount of bandwidth, by only having to send
picture and video files to those that want to see them, and it will also solve
the problem of large pictures and attachments clogging up peoples email. The
forum format will make it easier for people to post, and read all the subjects
in a logical, well organized manner. There is every advantage to moving us
to a forum only format with very little downside.
>
>Many people never like change, and some people here are so used to the email system,
that they will not like the idea of anything different even if it is better.
We should not let them hold improvements, they will come around once they
get used to a better system and we will all be better off. The current antiquated
email list hurts us all by its inherent limitations and stifles the potential
of your forum. You have a great thing going here, but it could be so
much better. I just wonder why you dont bring us up modern standards here on
the list like every other forum in the world.
>
>Michael A. Bigelow
>
I have internet deplorer, but I'm smart enough not to use it as a
spam/virus conduit into my computer.
If you are happy with IE & can handle the hassles of a forum format, go
use it; it's available for you.
Some of us find the forum format clunky, much slower that the list
format, & prefer having messages 'pushed' to us rather than being forced
to go get the info. With one click I can get all the email from every
list I subscribe to. With forums, I'd have to visit over a dozen sites
and wade through a new page load each time I want to see another dozen
or so headers on each and every site.
I seriously doubt that the forum format is as bandwidth efficient as
lists. Every time a new page of a dozen headers loads, you must also
load a full screen of graphics.
You've got what you like; please don't try to trash a good thing for the
rest of us.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Huh? Why the outburst Michael? It appears that you posted this message from the Matronics Web Forums ( http://forums.matronics.com ), so what exactly is your complaint? The fact that you can not only use the Web Forums interface, but also the traditional email lists interface seems to be to be a huge advantage of these Lists/Forums.
Personally, I much prefer the email interface. I browse through the various email
List emails that come in during the day and read the ones the seem interesting.
I have to check my email every day multiple times anyway, and so looking
over a few extra "List messages" works right into my routine. By contrast,
if I had to add another task to my schedule of opening a browser (whichever one),
and going over to the Forums Site, the chances are that I would be far less
likely to a) do that, and b) catch the messages I might find of interest.
But that's just me. The reason I've setup the Matronics Lists and Forums the way
I have is to cater to the tastes of as many people as possible. You prefer
the Web Forums interface. Great, that's why I put them up. Myself and a great
many others, prefer the email distributions. That's fine too.
I don't really get your beef, frankly. Are you spanking those of us that prefer
the email distribution? Why?
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List/Forums Admin.
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46540#46540
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi Gang,
I too prefer the traditional email list. It is much easier to just scan the
messages as they come in and simply hit the delete button for the ones I'm
not interested in. I also have a "Kolb info and hints" mailbox setup to move
the emails to that contain what I consider valuable information and
something that I may use in the future. Much easier to keep up with the good
builders hints that way instead of having to search the archives.
Later,
John Cooley
"DO NOT ARCHIVE"
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:23 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Huh? Why the outburst Michael? It appears that you posted this message
from the Matronics Web Forums ( http://forums.matronics.com ), so what
exactly is your complaint? The fact that you can not only use the Web
Forums interface, but also the traditional email lists interface seems to be
to be a huge advantage of these Lists/Forums.
Personally, I much prefer the email interface. I browse through the various
email List emails that come in during the day and read the ones the seem
interesting. I have to check my email every day multiple times anyway, and
so looking over a few extra "List messages" works right into my routine. By
contrast, if I had to add another task to my schedule of opening a browser
(whichever one), and going over to the Forums Site, the chances are that I
would be far less likely to a) do that, and b) catch the messages I might
find of interest.
But that's just me. The reason I've setup the Matronics Lists and Forums
the way I have is to cater to the tastes of as many people as possible. You
prefer the Web Forums interface. Great, that's why I put them up. Myself
and a great many others, prefer the email distributions. That's fine too.
I don't really get your beef, frankly. Are you spanking those of us that
prefer the email distribution? Why?
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List/Forums Admin.
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46540#46540
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. (88 and set in my ways)
Ray
UltraStar, TN
do not archive
Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England
JetPilot wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot"
>
>With all the talk lately about the size of file attachments and the bandwidth
they take I have to ask why are you still using such an antiquated system of an
email list. The email system wastes a huge amount of bandwidth by sending everything
to everyone subscribed to the list when the fact is most of it is never
read. The other problem with the current system is that threads are continually
being broken apart as people get the subject line off by one character which
really takes away from some of the larger threads. There is also the issue
of people always having to worry about cluttering the list. The current email
list system has so many limitations and drawbacks that users are constantly having
work around them, even though some may not realize it.
>
>Everyone with a computer now has Internet Explorer and the ability to use the
forum format, it is time for us to join the modern world and all use the forum
format. It will save you a huge amount of bandwidth, by only having to send picture
and video files to those that want to see them, and it will also solve
the problem of large pictures and attachments clogging up peoples email. The forum
format will make it easier for people to post, and read all the subjects
in a logical, well organized manner. There is every advantage to moving us to
a forum only format with very little downside.
>
>Many people never like change, and some people here are so used to the email system,
that they will not like the idea of anything different even if it is better.
We should not let them hold improvements, they will come around once they
get used to a better system and we will all be better off. The current antiquated
email list hurts us all by its inherent limitations and stifles the potential
of your forum. You have a great thing going here, but it could be so much
better. I just wonder why you dont bring us up modern standards here on the
list like every other forum in the world.
>
>Michael A. Bigelow
>
I have internet deplorer, but I'm smart enough not to use it as a
spam/virus conduit into my computer.
If you are happy with IE & can handle the hassles of a forum format, go
use it; it's available for you.
Some of us find the forum format clunky, much slower that the list
format, & prefer having messages 'pushed' to us rather than being forced
to go get the info. With one click I can get all the email from every
list I subscribe to. With forums, I'd have to visit over a dozen sites
and wade through a new page load each time I want to see another dozen
or so headers on each and every site.
I seriously doubt that the forum format is as bandwidth efficient as
lists. Every time a new page of a dozen headers loads, you must also
load a full screen of graphics.
You've got what you like; please don't try to trash a good thing for the
rest of us.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Engine break-in, first taxiing |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
> Have been avidly absorbing the Jennings book, (Thanks, Jim!)
I was really surprised a couple of years ago to find it
online...copyright be danged, I guess.....
> The 582 has a real discontinuity in it's inlet tract, the relationship
> between the carb, the rubber manifold and the intake port, and the port
> on the inside of the rotary valve appears to be made with no thought or
> concern to any smoothness at all. One section is bigger, one is smaller,
> there are flat surfaces sticking out as if gas flow is a non-event.
I've never done/seen an indicator diagram for the
valve/piston/port relationships on a 582 so can't speak to
overlaps and system interactions. I would think intake tract
length (tuning) would be more critical than discontinuities in the
flow path. There's only so much time spent on the intake
cycle...at 6500 rpm, for instance, that's 108.3 intake events per
second. That's .0092 seconds for each cycle. Quite a
conservative number when one considers a full tilt '70's two
stroke race bike at 14,500 rpm that was spending about .0041 on
each cycle (didn't last too long at that rate). Inertia of the intake
flow and intake tract length were the most critical components.
Yet
> the thing obviously runs well, but looking at it, it seems contrary to
> what it ought to be. Anybody else have any comments on the 582 inlet path?
Who'd have thought that a boundary layer trip on an otherwise
flawless airfoil would lead to increased sailplane performance. I
recall that one Jenning's other admonitions was not to spend a
lot of time smoothing things up except to the extent that there
aren't any gross discontinuities such as your gasket intrusions.
Some may be good but only experimentation will reveal which
are beneficial and which are not. To me, that says $$$$ for parts
to butcher and mangle.
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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| Subject: | Re: ?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Kolb-List:_Matt_Dralle_=93_Why_are_?= we |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
I sense a lot of "me, me, me" in your message. I
for one like the "old" method. I can down load
messages and read them off line at my leisure. I
use Eudora and don't seem to have to much problem
following the threads - would be a little easier
if some people would set up their mail client
where only the portion of the original message is
marked by quote marks "<" rather than everything
including their reply. Also better management of
updating the subject to reflect the actual topic
being discussed would be swell. I can live with
what we have, it works, and I like it as it is.
jerb
At 09:02 PM 7/11/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>With all the talk lately about the size of file
>attachments and the bandwidth they take I have
>to ask why are you still using such an
>antiquated system of an email list. The email
>system wastes a huge amount of bandwidth by
>sending everything to everyone subscribed to the
>list when the fact is most of it is never
>read. The other problem with the current system
>is that threads are continually being broken
>apart as people get the subject line off by one
>character which really takes away from some of
>the larger threads. There is also the issue of
>people always having to worry about
>cluttering the list. The current email
>list system has so many limitations and
>drawbacks that users are constantly having work
>around them, even though some may not realize it.
>
>Everyone with a computer now has Internet
>Explorer and the ability to use the forum
>format, it is time for us to join the modern
>world and all use the forum format. It will
>save you a huge amount of bandwidth, by only
>having to send picture and video files to those
>that want to see them, and it will also solve
>the problem of large pictures and attachments
>clogging up peoples email. The forum format
>will make it easier for people to post, and read
>all the subjects in a logical, well organized
>manner. There is every advantage to moving us
>to a forum only format with very little downside.
>
>Many people never like change, and some people
>here are so used to the email system, that they
>will not like the idea of anything different
>even if it is better. We should not let them
>hold improvements, they will come around once
>they get used to a better system and we will all
>be better off. The current antiquated email
>list hurts us all by its inherent limitations
>and stifles the potential of your forum. You
>have a great thing going here, but it could be
>so much better. I just wonder why you dont
>bring us up modern standards here on the list
>like every other forum in the world.
>
>Michael A. Bigelow
>
>--------
>"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you
>did not go as fast as you could have !!!
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46540#46540
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