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1. 08:29 AM - KXP on ebay (Jerry Deckard)
2. 10:12 AM - most anti-aviation city in the nation (Kolbdriver)
3. 10:41 AM - Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (JetPilot)
4. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Mike Schnabel)
5. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (David Key)
6. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (John Hauck)
7. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (ray anderson)
8. 12:04 PM - Re: most anti-aviation city in the nation (robert bean)
9. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
10. 12:58 PM - First airplane website, new feature ()
11. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (DAquaNut@aol.com)
12. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Mike Schnabel)
13. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Matt Dralle)
14. 03:42 PM - Oshkosh (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
15. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Bob Noyer)
16. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Mike Schnabel)
17. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (George Bass)
18. 05:29 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (John Hauck)
19. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Denny Rowe)
20. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Eugene Zimmerman)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally@semo.net>
Noticed a KXP on ebay. Not mine just noticed it.
Item 280007947893
Jerry
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Subject: | most anti-aviation city in the nation |
Folks,
Anyone seen this? City of Jacksonville, not sure if it's Florida, Texas, or
???
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.homebuilt/browse_thread/thread/6
88f409b9c514e53/25ddcbef1957bb52#25ddcbef1957bb52
Mike
KCMO
Mark III 1.3L Geo
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
rsanoa wrote:
> ?
> My two cents.? This forum is for all? Kolb people.? I will put my airplane
skills against any ( except John H.)? However I'm a computer nerd. I can handle
plain e-mail and such, but??not ?talk about URL's , XYZ's, PDQ's and all the
other gibberish computer know it alls throw out there.? When they quit using
vacuum tubes, I got lost.? I repeat, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I wouldn't
be surprised if there aren't others out there who feel the same way.
> Like David says below,? Quit looking a gift horse in the mouth !!!
> Ray
>
In just one day, my thread was broken into 11 different threads thanks to this
antiquated email system. It makes a mess out of the topics in both this forum
and the email list... You say if it isn't broke don't fix it, but it is very
apparent that you would not recognize broke even if it hit you over the head.
How many posts have their been on the size of file attachments recently ? It is
obviously a problem even if most are not honest enough to admit it.
This is the only list that I know of where people are having to still type "do
naught archive" to avoid cluttering an antiquated system.
Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or
improved. There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have
these issues. What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways
to ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding regarding these
problems.
Michael A. Bigelow
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=47639#47639
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
>>>There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and
none of them have these issues<<<
Mike, if your so enamored with all these other "forums" do yourself, and frankly,
all of us a favor, and flame them... not Matt D and all of us. Matt has done
an outstanding job here, and if it does not meet your hypertech requirements,
just go away. But as a one time famous cartoon rabbit named Bugs Bunny once
said,....
"Dont go away mad, just go away!"
Live and let live brother, life is really not as hard as your trying to make
it.
Matt, if youre reading, your work is really excellent, and very much APPRECIATED
by some of your lister!
Mike S
Manchester, TN
Firestar2 503
do not archive
JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot"
rsanoa wrote:
> ?
> My two cents.? This forum is for all? Kolb people.? I will put my airplane skills
against any ( except John H.)? However I'm a computer nerd. I can handle
plain e-mail and such, but??not ?talk about URL's , XYZ's, PDQ's and all the other
gibberish computer know it alls throw out there.? When they quit using vacuum
tubes, I got lost.? I repeat, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I wouldn't
be surprised if there aren't others out there who feel the same way.
> Like David says below,? Quit looking a gift horse in the mouth !!!
> Ray
>
In just one day, my thread was broken into 11 different threads thanks to this
antiquated email system. It makes a mess out of the topics in both this forum
and the email list... You say if it isn't broke don't fix it, but it is very apparent
that you would not recognize broke even if it hit you over the head.
How many posts have their been on the size of file attachments recently ? It is
obviously a problem even if most are not honest enough to admit it.
This is the only list that I know of where people are having to still type "do
naught archive" to avoid cluttering an antiquated system.
Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or
improved. There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have
these issues. What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways to
ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding regarding these
problems.
Michael A. Bigelow
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=47639#47639
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Still complaining about free stuff?
Still acting like a victim?
Then write one yourself.
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways to
ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding
regarding these problems.
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| Michael A. Bigelow
Michael:
I have kept quiet about this crap since it started. Guess I have
grown weary waiting for it to go away.
About time you took a break.
Some of us old farts like the way things are. We liked it this way
long before you came along, and we still like it the way it is.
I have a choice between the "old antiquated way" and the new BBS way.
Personally, I prefer the old way, although I do use both systems.
Try to understand and accept "others", the way we are. We certainly
are not going to change because of your rants. I have tried to
understand you, but I'm not doing a very good job. I certainly
appologize for that.
Recommend you make direct contact with Matt Dralle to air your
dislikes of his system.
BTW: For the most part, this Kolb List is not free. Most of us
donate a little every year, about December, to keep it on line. It
does not operate for free. Some members are either free loaders or do
not have the cash to donate. If I am broke when donation time comes
around, I won't donate either, but I will still be able to use these
systems.
For that matter, recommend complaints about the mechanics and
operation of the Kolb List "all" go bc to Matt.
Let's try and keep the subject line about Kolbs; building, flying,
etc. When you finish having yours built, then come back and tell us
all about it.
Time to get ready to fly to OSH. I will be leaving Gantt IAP next
Saturday. Should arrive OSH Sunday. Looks like I will be camping in
the UL area.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
Michael, jet pilot or who ever you are,
Bug out and get lost. My apologies to the rest of the Kolb gang for lowering
myself to respond. But when 88, one can do that.
Ray
UltraStar, TN
do not archive
JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot"
rsanoa wrote:
> ?
> My two cents.? This forum is for all? Kolb people.? I will put my airplane skills
against any ( except John H.)? However I'm a computer nerd. I can handle
plain e-mail and such, but??not ?talk about URL's , XYZ's, PDQ's and all the other
gibberish computer know it alls throw out there.? When they quit using vacuum
tubes, I got lost.? I repeat, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I wouldn't
be surprised if there aren't others out there who feel the same way.
> Like David says below,? Quit looking a gift horse in the mouth !!!
> Ray
>
In just one day, my thread was broken into 11 different threads thanks to this
antiquated email system. It makes a mess out of the topics in both this forum
and the email list... You say if it isn't broke don't fix it, but it is very apparent
that you would not recognize broke even if it hit you over the head.
How many posts have their been on the size of file attachments recently ? It is
obviously a problem even if most are not honest enough to admit it.
This is the only list that I know of where people are having to still type "do
naught archive" to avoid cluttering an antiquated system.
Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or
improved. There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have
these issues. What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways to
ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding regarding these
problems.
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=47639#47639
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Subject: | Re: most anti-aviation city in the nation |
In the same vein, a township in our county recently passed an ordinance
banning any airstrips or personal airport activity from private
property.
This is an area that is at least half rural. Similarly, it seems to
have been
prompted by a neighbor with an axe to grind against someone occasionally
landing his standard category helicopter in his back yard.
Sounds like jealousy to me.
There are four grass strips in my immediate neighborhood. In thirty
years
we have never heard a peep of complaint. Houses keep springing up
though
and I guess we shouldn't be surprised if a legal action happens.
I do my best to avoid antagonism, passing over houses, etc.
so far, so good.
-BB do not archive
On 16, Jul 2006, at 1:06 PM, Kolbdriver wrote:
>
> Folks,
> -
> Anyone seen this?- City of Jacksonville, not sure if it=92s Florida,
> Texas, or ???
> -
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.homebuilt/browse_thread/
> thread/688f409b9c514e53/25ddcbef1957bb52#25ddcbef1957bb52
> -
> Mike
> KCMO
> Mark III 1.3L Geo
> -
> -
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
" I'm to old and set in my ways to ever accept change "
> Michael A. Bigelow
Yup! That's me. Congratulations, you're finally beginning to understand.
Keep working at it sir, and maybe, just maybe, one of these days you'll be
getting set in your ways - or is that already happening?????
AzDave
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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Subject: | First airplane website, new feature |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Gentlefolk:
I have installed a new feature on the First Airplane website. Your name can
now optionally be a link to a personal web page. If you previously submitted
your flight info and would like to take advantage of this, please email me
the desired URL directly, and NOT via the list, at:
kfackler@ameritech.net
If you prefer not to use this, you don't need to do anything. It isn't
necessary to send me a "regrets" message.
I strongly IMPLORE you to follow these guidelines about the URL:
1. It should be a site about you and ALSO have some immediate and obvious
connection to your flying or building experiences. It should NOT be a site
promoting a political agenda, a commercial site, one show casing your
grandchildren, or anything similar. I am reserving the right NOT to add any
URL which in my personal and sole opinion is not in the spirit of this
thing.
2. It should be a site that you plan to keep active for a reasonable length
of time. I would prefer not to have our First Airplane site with pointers to
a bunch of broken links.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
In a message dated 7/16/2006 12:42:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,
orcabonita@hotmail.com writes:
Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed
or improved. There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of
them have these issues. What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in
my ways to ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding
regarding these problems.
Michael A. Bigelow
Is that whining I here? You need to stick with the Lists, that are updated to
your level! This list didn't need repairing before you joined it. Can't
you come up with something beneficial or positive to contribute ?????????
Am I the only one that feels this way??????
Ed Diebel ( Firefly #62)
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
Ed,
You are not alone, I think the majority of us serious Kolb List readers agree
with you!
Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar2 503
DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/16/2006 12:42:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, orcabonita@hotmail.com
writes:
Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or
improved. There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have
these issues. What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways
to ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding regarding
these problems.
Michael A. Bigelow
Is that whining I here? You need to stick with the Lists, that
are updated to your level! This list didn't need repairing before you joined it.
Can't you come up with something beneficial or positive to contribute ?????????
Am I the only one that feels this way??????
Ed Diebel ( Firefly #62)
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 02:49 PM 7/16/2006 Sunday, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/16/2006 12:42:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, orcabonita@hotmail.com
writes:
>Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or
improved. There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have
these issues. What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways
to ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding regarding
these problems.
>
>Michael A. Bigelow
>
> Is that whining I here? You need to stick with the Lists, that are
updated to your level! This list didn't need repairing before you joined it.
Can't you come up with something beneficial or positive to contribute ?????????
Am I the only one that feels this way??????
>
> Ed Diebel ( Firefly #62)
Well, the thing that's ironic is that JetPilot's (Michael Bigelow) assertions are
for the most part wrong. The reason his messages get fragmented so often is
that there is a something about the email program that he uses that inserts
non-standard characters into the email message and Subject line. When various
people respond to his messages, different things happen. Sometimes, for example,
with Eudora, the text in his subject is completely dropped as in my original
reply to his message. In other cases (member's email applications), only
the portion up to the bogus characters are kept. In still other cases the whole
thing is kept. Fairly ironic that the vary thing Michael Bigelow complains
about is caused by his antiquated and outdated email program. Hum...
And his remark about the "do n-ot archive" is completely without justification.
No other system in the world has that functionality that I'm aware of. Its
something I built for the convenience of members to use if that saw fit.
And I'm not sure what the "hundreds of other forums on the net" that are supposedly
so superior to the offerings at Matronics are. Many are built on the vary
same BBS Forum engine used at Matronics. Again, if you like getting your messages
on the Web great, Matronics has a solution for that that works well. If
you like receiving your List content via email, however, Matronics can't be
beat (search engine, list browse, real time distribution, etc.)
Michael, please refrain from further rabble-rousing on this forum. You are not
adding anything to the content here with these lines of discussion and we've
already wasted plenty of bandwidth with this topic. Most of us here like the
system we have and consider it very effective.
Nobody is forcing you stay or contribute - and in many cases most people here wish
you would go away (overwhelming consensus via private email to me).
And here's another thought for you, Michael. Someone invites you over to their
home for dinner and conversation. Last time I checked, I don't believe its considered
proper form (forum) to talk about how crappy their food, furnishings,
and house are. You are a very rude individual.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
John/all
Who all is going to Oshkosh this year? I got a E-mail from Scott Trask
wondering if I was going and swinging bye his place on the way. I hope every
one has a great and safe time this year.
I'm going to miss Oshkosh this year. My son is getting married on Saturday
and family obligations will keep me tied up the rest of the week.
Last year one of our group got separated and lost trying to find the
Ultralight strip. He found an emergency strip near the EAA camp ground and
landed. The local EAA Gestapo descended on the poor guy with the intent of
major harassment. Finally clearer heads prevailed and he was allow to take
off with directions and landed at the Ultralight strip. Afterwards I had a
conversation and later via E-Mail with the head guy for the Ultralight area
and tried to convince him that they should publish GPS coordinates for the
Ultralight strip but didn't get anywhere. They want eyes out side the
cockpit even if they are lost. Remember two years ago a pair of lost trikes
did the unforgivable and landed at the Pioneer airstrip.
Also I was able to get the fuel trucks to cross over to the Ultralight
camping area and fuel us up with 100LL. Sure was easer than lugging fuel
cans for a mile. (well seem like it at the time). The fuel guys were able to
sell enough fuel that they said they would be happy to return.
Thirteen+ years of enjoying this list just the way it is.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
> Time to get ready to fly to OSH. I will be leaving Gantt IAP next
> Saturday. Should arrive OSH Sunday. Looks like I will be camping in
> the UL area.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
As the second eldest Kolber, I whole-heartedly side with what I
discern as the Majority in saying to Matt: leave well enough alone.
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
Matt / Mike B,
Matt, THANK YOU! Your forum is the best damn thing on the Internet, bar none.
I still use the email version, but do visit the other BBS forum often. How the
heck can anyone complain is far beyond my imagination! And I thought I was anal!
Mike B.... chill brother... and I dont mean that to be aggressive or to antagonize
you in any way. I would welcome you here at my place any day to share a
cold beer and a few stories of flying. Are you up for such an invitation? Dont
take this list, or life even, so seriously. This list is a simple vehicle for
sharing ideas and experiences.
Nothing written is meant to be posted for such astute critique as you seem to
offer, if you dont agree with something thats written, thats fine, offer your
opinion, but flames or major derogatory blasts against anyones opinion, are
really not necessary.
Thanks for reading my rant, and by the way, I still have a cold beer for you
(or any list member that is willing to travel), GPS coordinates are N 3529.59,
W 8602.44 anytime youre in the neighborhood, so let me know when you might be
in town, and I will warm up the grill too!
Nuff said,....
Mike S
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Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
At 02:49 PM 7/16/2006 Sunday, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/16/2006 12:42:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, orcabonita@hotmail.com
writes:
>Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or
improved. There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have
these issues. What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways to
ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding regarding these
problems.
>
>Michael A. Bigelow
>
> Is that whining I here? You need to stick with the Lists, that are updated to
your level! This list didn't need repairing before you joined it. Can't you come
up with something beneficial or positive to contribute ????????? Am I the
only one that feels this way??????
>
> Ed Diebel ( Firefly #62)
Well, the thing that's ironic is that JetPilot's (Michael Bigelow) assertions are
for the most part wrong. The reason his messages get fragmented so often is
that there is a something about the email program that he uses that inserts non-standard
characters into the email message and Subject line. When various people
respond to his messages, different things happen. Sometimes, for example,
with Eudora, the text in his subject is completely dropped as in my original
reply to his message. In other cases (member's email applications), only the
portion up to the bogus characters are kept. In still other cases the whole thing
is kept. Fairly ironic that the vary thing Michael Bigelow complains about
is caused by his antiquated and outdated email program. Hum...
And his remark about the "do n-ot archive" is completely without justification.
No other system in the world has that functionality that I'm aware of. Its something
I built for the convenience of members to use if that saw fit.
And I'm not sure what the "hundreds of other forums on the net" that are supposedly
so superior to the offerings at Matronics are. Many are built on the vary
same BBS Forum engine used at Matronics. Again, if you like getting your messages
on the Web great, Matronics has a solution for that that works well. If you
like receiving your List content via email, however, Matronics can't be beat
(search engine, list browse, real time distribution, etc.)
Michael, please refrain from further rabble-rousing on this forum. You are not
adding anything to the content here with these lines of discussion and we've already
wasted plenty of bandwidth with this topic. Most of us here like the system
we have and consider it very effective.
Nobody is forcing you stay or contribute - and in many cases most people here wish
you would go away (overwhelming consensus via private email to me).
And here's another thought for you, Michael. Someone invites you over to their
home for dinner and conversation. Last time I checked, I don't believe its considered
proper form (forum) to talk about how crappy their food, furnishings,
and house are. You are a very rude individual.
Matt Dralle
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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
JetPilot;
In one of your most recent posts, you stated,
"There are hundreds free of forums on the net,
and none of them have these issues."
I, for one, would gladly enjoy your presence at
anyone of those OTHER lists/forums, rather
than regret your continued use, and attempted
flaming of this one, that the majority of us DO
ENJOY.
George Bass
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
(or any list member that is willing to travel), GPS coordinates are
N 3529.59, W 8602.44 anytime you're in the neighborhood, so let me
know when you might be in town, and I will warm up the grill too!
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| Mike S
Mike S/Gang:
Might be trying out your airstrip if I fly over towards Indianapolis,
IN, on my way to OSH. Still in the planning stage, which means,
"Can't make up my mind."
john h
mkIII
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
John,
I would encourage you to make the effort to vist Mikes place on your trip to
AirVenture. Having met Mike last Summer I can say that he is one of the
nicest Gentleman I have had the honor to meet.
Also, you would do him a great service to give him a ride or two in Miss
P-fer to acclimate him to his new bird.
On top of that his place looks fantasic on his Frappper sight.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:28 PM
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> (or any list member that is willing to travel), GPS coordinates are
> N 3529.59, W 8602.44 anytime you're in the neighborhood, so let me
> know when you might be in town, and I will warm up the grill too!
>
> Mike S/Gang:
>
> Might be trying out your airstrip if I fly over towards Indianapolis,
> IN, on my way to OSH. Still in the planning stage, which means,
> "Can't make up my mind."
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> --
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Matt Dralle Why are we |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Jul 16, 2006, at 1:40 PM, JetPilot wrote:
> In just one day, my thread was broken into 11 different threads
> thanks to this antiquated email system.
Mike,
"Thunderbird" is a good email program that can be downloaded free.
Try it, it should solve the broken thread problem you are having.
Just google "Thunderbird" for the free download.
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