---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/17/06: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:18 AM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com) 2. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Mike Schnabel) 3. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Mike Schnabel) 4. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Jack B. Hart) 5. 08:21 AM - Re: KXP on ebay (geoffthis) 6. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: KXP on ebay (HShack@aol.com) 7. 10:12 AM - Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (JetPilot) 8. 10:42 AM - Drum Roll Please! (Ralph Hoover) 9. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Jim Baker) 10. 11:10 AM - Kolb Lexan Xtra Question (David Key) 11. 11:27 AM - Re: Kolb Lexan Xtra Question (Craig Nelson) 12. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Jim Baker) 13. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Ed Chmielewski) 14. 01:01 PM - Re: Kolb Lexan Xtra Question (Jim Ballenger) 15. 01:24 PM - Re: Kolb Lexan Xtra Question (Cat36Fly@aol.com) 16. 01:29 PM - Fw: KOLB MARK II: (=?iso-8859-2?B?WuktVOkgQnQu?=) 17. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (Eugene Zimmerman) 18. 02:22 PM - Cool..... (Jim Baker) 19. 02:39 PM - flying soon! () 20. 03:11 PM - Re: Cool..... () 21. 03:11 PM - Re: Fw: KOLB MARK II: (Eugene Zimmerman) 22. 03:35 PM - Re: Cool..... (David Key) 23. 04:02 PM - Re: flying soon! (N111KX (Kip)) 24. 04:16 PM - Front windows on the extra (Craig Nelson) 25. 04:25 PM - Re: Fw: KOLB MARK II: (robert bean) 26. 04:47 PM - New flight experience (Larry Cottrell) 27. 04:55 PM - Re: Fw: KOLB MARK II: (John Hauck) 28. 05:01 PM - Re: flying soon! (galen shirley) 29. 05:40 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Todd Fredricks) 30. 06:06 PM - Re: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we (russ kinne) 31. 06:22 PM - Re: Fw: KOLB MARK II: (Eugene Zimmerman) 32. 08:00 PM - (jerb) 33. 08:36 PM - Re: (DAquaNut@aol.com) 34. 09:35 PM - Open Letter To Michael A. Bigelow... (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:58 AM PST US From: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we Right on Matt! Well spoken. Matt Dralle for Governor, hell we elected a professional wrestler here in Minnesota for a Governor, Matt Dralle for President!!! The Flying Farmer do not archive Nobody is forcing you stay or contribute - and in many cases most people here wish you would go away (overwhelming consensus via private email to me). And here's another thought for you, Michael. Someone invites you over to their home for dinner and conversation. Last time I checked, I don't believe its considered proper form (forum) to talk about how crappy their food, furnishings, and house are. You are a very rude individual. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:35 AM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we John, It would be a great pleasure to have you "christen" my humble strip of grass, I have taxied all over her, but there still needs to be a legitimate take off and landing to occur! I have double-checked the coordinates on Google Earth's website, and the numbers land directly in my back yard, so I am comfortable they are good. Actually they were plotted by Wade L. during a visit to check out my FS2 a few weeks ago, thanks Wade! If your heading this way, just leave a message on the phone, 931-728-8991, and if I cant be here when you arrive, I will leave a note with the location of the house keys, please make yourself at home! Look forward to seeing ya soon! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive John Hauck wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" (or any list member that is willing to travel), GPS coordinates are N 3529.59, W 8602.44 anytime you're in the neighborhood, so let me know when you might be in town, and I will warm up the grill too! | | Mike S Mike S/Gang: Might be trying out your airstrip if I fly over towards Indianapolis, IN, on my way to OSH. Still in the planning stage, which means, "Can't make up my mind." john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:40 AM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we Denny, Thanks for the kind words. What makes them mean so much is that I know first hand the outstanding person you are as well, and feel honored to have made acquaintance with you. I know your summer has been busy and full of family activities (which is a very good thing), but has limited your aviating activities, but hopefully soon you will get that excellent bird back in the air soon... And I look forward to seeing the profile of that MkIII of yours descending over the tree line here. Hopefully by then the hanger will be built, and I will have a place for you to keep your bird out of the rain! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive Denny Rowe wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" John, I would encourage you to make the effort to vist Mikes place on your trip to AirVenture. Having met Mike last Summer I can say that he is one of the nicest Gentleman I have had the honor to meet. Also, you would do him a great service to give him a ride or two in Miss P-fer to acclimate him to his new bird. On top of that his place looks fantasic on his Frappper sight. Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:28 PM > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > (or any list member that is willing to travel), GPS coordinates are > N 3529.59, W 8602.44 anytime you're in the neighborhood, so let me > know when you might be in town, and I will warm up the grill too! > > Mike S/Gang: > > Might be trying out your airstrip if I fly over towards Indianapolis, > IN, on my way to OSH. Still in the planning stage, which means, > "Can't make up my mind." > > john h > mkIII > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > -- > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:36 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" And here's another thought for you, Michael. Someone invites you over to their home for dinner and conversation. Last time I checked, I don't believe its considered proper form (forum) to talk about how crappy their food, furnishings, and house are. You are a very rude individual. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt, I am a little disappointed. Although you require registration, you have created an open forum. If you expect civility, you will be disappointed. If you demand it, the Kolb List will become a dull place. I believe you have to face up to the fact that we have a member mix that ranges from zero to ten rating, in computer capabilities, technical experience, and education level. On the List when someone strikes a discordant note in what you consider to be your area of expertise, a natural reaction is to think what a "dumb ---". But if you sit back a little, then you realize that that fellow may not have had the advantage of the path you have travelled. Maybe the best thing to do is to find out what the problem is and suggest a solution or just keep quiet. What may be called rudeness by others could really be frustration. What is neat about this list, is that there is a flow of information to help Kolb builders/owners, and to improve flight performance of existing aircraft. When someone makes a direct statement that covers all Kolb designs, or says a particular engine type is the only way to go, others point out that these statements may not be applicable for them and why. And so, the exchange of information continues. Also, it is great to feel like you belong to a larger community of people who like to fly and talk about it. I see very few other pilots at my local airport, and the local EAA Chapter membership is slowly falling off, because there do not seem to be that many young pilots and us old guys are dying off. Going to be another HOT one today. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:32 AM PST US From: "geoffthis" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: KXP on ebay --> Kolb-List message posted by: "geoffthis" Does anyone know if the KXP is a 5 or 7 rib wing? My brother is looking at it, to possibly fly while we rebuild ours. Thanks Geoff Thistlethwaite Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=47858#47858 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:38 AM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: KXP on ebay In a message dated 7/17/2006 11:22:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, geoffthis@charter.net writes: Does anyone know if the KXP is a 5 or 7 rib wing? It's 7 ribs. Hard to carry more than 5 gallons gas, though. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:37 AM PST US From: "JetPilot" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" Matt Dralle wrote: > > > Well, the thing that's ironic is that JetPilot's (Michael Bigelow) assertions are for the most part wrong. The reason his messages get fragmented so often is that there is a something about the email program that he uses that inserts non-standard characters into the email message and Subject line. Matt you are wrong, I do not use the email portion of your list, I have had it turned off for months now. I have entered all of my posts using your forum and internet explorer, which every Windows user in the world has. There is nothing different or special about how I am entering the subject line. If non-standard characters are being inserted then it is your own software doing it. You need to look at it and find out why its happening. There is a problem with the way the list is working, and I have pointed it out to you. There is no reason you should have taken offense to that or even gotten defensive about it. Michael A. Bigelow -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=47913#47913 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:17 AM PST US From: "Ralph Hoover" Subject: Kolb-List: Drum Roll Please! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" NO! Not for me. For the 1991 Kolb FXP with 503 DIDCDF and the Kolb Company. I went up last night, absolute calm, the winds were too! Time, according to the GPS 6:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time. Winds zero, Air temp 84 degrees. Sky's clear! Filled tank, checked gauges: PAUSE here for an apologize message to Kolb! Guys at the New Kolb Company, YOU WERE RIGHT! Exiting the static tube between the plastic nose and the side cloth covering works right. Sorry, on my previous "First Flight" I noted that it didn't work. Since I installed a new instrument panel and had it hinged along the bottom, the static tube was pinched upon closure. Problem corrected, ASI (Both the actual and the MGL electronic) were within 2 miles per hour of ground speed in all directions. Now for the specifics. First actual stall repeated seven times: 40 MPH on the ASI. Since I have that wonderful MGL "Staromaster Maxi Single Flight II" primary flight instrument, which I highly recommend, I have some interesting info. According to the digital VSP included in the above gauge the Glide / Climb indication at zero was at 55 miles per hour at 5,400 R.P.M. I had hoped it would be higher but it was really neat unless one is in a hurry. Therefore, I was making my finals at 1,400 ASL into a 1,000 foot long field at 1,140 feet ASL, at 50 MPH ASI. Absolutely the greatest feeling since being born again I have ever experienced. The first attempt I was too high to scrub off speed or altitude, so I went around again. However the 2nd through the 7th were pretty good landings. 2 had a bounce of about a foot and a tad bit of left field in the travel but the rest (4) were great! I still seem to have crossed wires on my EGT and will fix before I go up again. The fuel gauge is not reading correctly (part of the MGL unit) is not showing accurate fuel level. It has to do with the capacitance fuel probe not the gauge. There is a low setting and high setting screw on the top and I apparently do not have them set correctly, and cant find the instruction sheet for it. Since I an flying around my own field at present and practicing landings and flight maneuvers, as long as I don't fly more than an hour, there isn't any real concern about fuel. But I will need to correct. Anyone that has any experience with one of the capacitance resistance tube type fuel level probes, can you help? I am so blessed to have an Instructor that put up with me for 20 hours of instructions. Being an old biker, carried with it some old attitude. And me being 61 and he being close to the age of my son added that much more of the old man "I know better than you do" attitude. Yet I listened intently to his every word. The process, as I had said previously in another post, took about 10 months, not because of him, but because of my money situation. I experienced engine outs, cross wind landings, stalls, over speeds (his established, not the VNe of the plane), Long "oh crap" landings, short "Power, power, more power, I have the plane", and perfect landings all in his Challenger. I would wish all instructors to be as persistent, forgiving, enthueastic, considerate and knowledgeable as was Andy Humphrey, my Instructor. If you know anyone in the central Ohio area that wants to learn to fly, I highly recommend Him at Heavenbound Aviation, Johnstown Ohio. His website is below if anyone is interested. He also does great rebuilds on Air Cooled engines. I want to thank, I believe it was Pat Ladd that gave the web site :http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/landing.html And everyone on this web site for their bits and pieces that when combined filled the child like heart of this old man. Having experienced Motorcycle racing, high climbing, photography and color developing with "cebachrome", sailing sail boats from 12 feet through 30 feet on Lake Erie, Learning "Conceal Carry" and then becoming an instructor in same, owning a large Mead telescope and observatory in my own back yard and being a father to two fine (still in the works of fine) children and a husband of a wonderful woman for 37 years, my plate has been kept full. My cup has truly run over with the blessings of individuals the likes of on this site. Please don't take any of this a bragging, but as testimony of appreciation for a great amount of goodness with its share of hardships and rough roads, that because of people like each of you, has been a tad more palatable in it tough times and a real enjoyable time in its good times, such as now. One question, however. My old English teacher back in high school would say, "Never mix subjects in the same letter". Im gonna take liberty and ask, hoping that no one shrugs their shoulders and says: "we have covered this subject a million times and if you would just research the history of this site, you would know that"! Because I wouldn't know how to call it. It is the subject of the toe in of the wheels while pulling the plane into a hanger backwards. The plane acts like it is four times the weight. Has anyone considered cables from the back base fuselage bolt hole to the cross member along the axel, in order to pull the camber(?) and straighten out the wheels for pulling? Just a question, if someone says "DON'T" I won't. I believe Homer Kolb designed it right the first time, but this really does toe these wheels in bad when you pull the plane. And it will be PULLED in or out each flight. Heavenbound Aviation web site: http://www.heavenboundaviation.com/ Ohio Ralph Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=47918#47918 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:12 AM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" > I have entered all of my posts using your forum and internet > explorer _____________________________________ _____________________________________ Matronics.....HotMail....... Jim Baker 580.788.2779 Elmore City, OK ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:31 AM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Lexan Xtra Question There is one tube where two pieces of Lexan join(see attachment). Am I supposed to put two rows of rivets on that tube or overlap the lexan. Was I suppose to cut the windshield lexan with the front tabs in it and run it down the sides in the front. If someone has a photo that would be great too. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:25 AM PST US From: "Craig Nelson" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb Lexan Xtra Question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Craig Nelson" I riveted the windshield in place first. The side window I positioned the top just under the edge of the windshield and the tube, riveting only the front edge back edge and the bottom of the side window Uncle craig -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Key Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:10 AM There is one tube where two pieces of Lexan join(see attachment). Am I supposed to put two rows of rivets on that tube or overlap the lexan. Was I suppose to cut the windshield lexan with the front tabs in it and run it down the sides in the front. If someone has a photo that would be great too. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:02 AM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" > > I have entered all of my posts using your forum and internet > explorer > _____________________________________ > > _____________________________________ > > Matronics.....HotMail....... Now, that's odd! The above dashed lines had an email address located between them. Let's see if it's repeatable..... ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Jim Baker 580.788.2779 Elmore City, OK ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:41 PM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" Michael, Why aren't you posting to Matt directly? Your attempts to ridicule and embarass anyone by posting directly on the list are falling on deaf ears. Why do you think you're the only one experiencing any 'problems'? Might be your setup, because everyone else is happy. I vote you be the first - permanently - banned member on this list. You are a blight on the landscape, and a waste of bandwidth. Ed in JXN MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:10 PM > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" > > > There is a problem with the way the list is working, and I have pointed it > out to you. There is no reason you should have taken offense to that or > even gotten defensive about it. > > Michael A. Bigelow > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=47913#47913 > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:28 PM PST US From: "Jim Ballenger" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Lexan Xtra Question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" I installed the side window temporary then overlapped the windshield and used one row of rivets to attach both to the tubing. Jim MK3X 582 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=47969#47969 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:47 PM PST US From: Cat36Fly@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Lexan Xtra Question I installed mine the same as Jim. One row of rivets. Larry Tasker Mklllx 582 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:36 PM PST US From: =?iso-8859-2?B?WuktVOkgQnQu?= Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: KOLB MARK II: Hallo Everybody I want to ask somebody help.I have bought a used - but in very good condicion - KOLB MARK II. tipe /with Rotax 582 engin/ plane from a german pilot. Onfortunately, the plane has no any dokuments becouse the owner lost those whenn he moved to Hungary. It is my problem, i can not get licence in Hungary without this dokuments. So I need an - air and technical operation manual - original type certification, - drawing set from the Kolb Mark II. - load test report, - measurement of weight and centre of gravity report, - report of initial test flight. I ask somebody to help me in my problem. I'm waiting for reply of somebody, who has got those documents. Best reghards Zolt=E1n Tibor zetebete@t-online.hu HUNGARY ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:40 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman On Jul 17, 2006, at 2:30 PM, Jim Baker wrote: >> Matronics.....HotMail....... > > > Now, that's odd! The above dashed lines had an email address > located between them. Let's see if it's repeatable..... But isn't that a good idea to prevent all the address harvesters from getting your address for the spammers? ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:47 PM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: Kolb-List: Cool..... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" Just got back from 10.6k, mostly on thermals from about 1000 AGL and 2200 rpm. Just parked up under a nice big CU and shut 'er down. Stayed with the lift for over 45 minutes and then broke out and glided home.This is the second day in a row that we've had good activity and several years since strong thermals were common. 104F on the ground and about 52 at top of lift. A really nice, free program for determining top of lift is available from http://wind2walk.com/software.html and the data from http://raob.fsl.noaa.gov/ Takes a few minutes to learn but handy when determining if thermals are likely and the top-of-lift conditions... Jim Baker 580.788.2779 Elmore City, OK ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:01 PM PST US From: Subject: Kolb-List: flying soon! --> Kolb-List message posted by: I know this my be off the topic but I'm almost done building my Firefly and can't wait to get it in the air! I'm wondering how many Firefly pilots live in North Phoenix, Arizona? I would love to join up in the air with you all and throw my arms in the air and say "I DID IT". I'm thinking around October some time it should all be air worthy, so be ready to go guy's and gal's! -- Rob. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:10 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cool..... --> Kolb-List message posted by: AW SOME! This is what I'm going to be interested in! What plane are you flying? I'm wondering if my firefly is going to be strong enough to thermal in the middle of the summer day's. We get some boomer thermals out hear that seem to have the strength to rip the wing's off. I asked the guy's at Kolb if I would be able to do this in my FF and they said that the plane is stronger than a Cessna 150 and that I would be able to. I had gliders before and love it but did not like the ex pence of the tow etc. I'm thinking I'll be able to get off the ground under power and shut her down in the thermals and sore with no motor. Tell me more about the flight if you would!!!!!!! -- Rob. ---- Jim Baker wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" > > Just got back from 10.6k, mostly on thermals from about 1000 > AGL and 2200 rpm. Just parked up under a nice big CU and shut > 'er down. Stayed with the lift for over 45 minutes and then broke > out and glided home.This is the second day in a row that we've > had good activity and several years since strong thermals were > common. 104F on the ground and about 52 at top of lift. > > A really nice, free program for determining top of lift is available > from > > http://wind2walk.com/software.html > > and the data from > > http://raob.fsl.noaa.gov/ > > Takes a few minutes to learn but handy when determining if > thermals are likely and the top-of-lift conditions... > > Jim Baker > 580.788.2779 > Elmore City, OK > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:27 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: KOLB MARK II: --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Zoltn, Good luck, The documents you need you will probably have to create yourself because they most likely never did exist. The fact is where I live a Kolb Mark II with a 582 Rotax will fly just as well without the document . < g > Sorry, I know that does not help you with your problem. But you need some local help for your special problem. The Kolb Mark II is a good airplane but it is now an orphan without its parent company. On Jul 17, 2006, at 4:32 PM, Z-T Bt. wrote: > > Hallo Everybody > > I want to ask somebody help.I have bought a used - but in very good > condicion - KOLB MARK II. tipe /with Rotax 582 engin/ plane from a > german pilot. > Onfortunately, the plane has no any dokuments becouse the owner > lost those whenn he moved to Hungary. > It is my problem, i can not get licence in Hungary without this > dokuments. > So I need an - air and technical operation manual > - original type certification, > - drawing set from the Kolb Mark II. > - load test report, > - measurement of weight and centre of gravity > report, > - report of initial test flight. > I ask somebody to help me in my problem. > I'm waiting for reply of somebody, who has got those documents. > Best reghards > > Zoltn Tibor > zetebete@t-online.hu > HUNGARY > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:08 PM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cool..... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" I'm going to be done by October too. I'll race you. I got into ultralights from hanggliders too. If you're not flying somewhere like www.WallabyRanch.com where they can aero tow you all day long, it's just too much trouble to get the hanglider set up and someone with a winch or moped or automobile to tow you up. You can thermal the Kolbs but they are not like hanggliders. I do it with low rpm so the prop doesn't drag, if you have boomers out there you'll be able to do it. do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:07 PM PST US From: "N111KX (Kip)" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flying soon! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "N111KX (Kip)" I'd say that this is very ON topic. We look forward to hearing about the progress. Perhaps when I make it to Phoenix next time I can check out the FF... Kip -------- Kip Firestar II (born September 2000) Atlanta, GA N111KX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48032#48032 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:49 PM PST US From: "Craig Nelson" Subject: Kolb-List: Front windows on the extra <> Th <> is <> i <> s <> how I installed the front windows Uncle craig ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:18 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: KOLB MARK II: We should feel sympathy for Zoltan. The question is: are there many N-numbered MkIIs here in the USA? -my guess is there never was an operation manual no type certificate no test flight report no load test report BUT someone could email him a copy of W&B a drawing set an operation manual Good luck ZT do not archive On 17, Jul 2006, at 4:32 PM, Z=E9-T=E9 Bt. wrote: > - > Hallo Everybody > - > I want to ask-somebody help.I have bought a used - but in very > good-condicion - KOLB MARK II. tipe /with Rotax 582 engin/-plane from > a german pilot. > Onfortunately, the plane has no any dokuments becouse- the owner lost > those whenn he moved to Hungary.- > It is my problem, i can not get licence in Hungary without this > dokuments. > So I need an- - air and technical operation manual > ------------------- - original type certification, > ------------------- - drawing set from the Kolb Mark II. > ------------------- - load test report, > ------------------- - measurement of weight and centre of gravity > report, > ------------------- - report of initial test flight. > I ask-somebody to help me in my problem. > I'm waiting for-reply of somebody, who has got those documents. > Best reghards > - > Zolt=E1n Tibor > zetebete@t-online.hu > HUNGARY ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:16 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: New flight experience The wife and I needing a break from all the hassle of trying to get a new house in shape took a trip cross country to the Alvord Desert by dodge truck rather than Firestar. As you might remember the Alvord has been a stopover by the Monument Valley travelers for the last two years. It is normally a dry lake bed that is 6 miles wide and 11 miles long and is the favorite visiting spot for Ultra lights, motorcycles, windsailors and glider pilots. One of the highlights of the area besides the lake bed is the Hotsprings that are nearby. One of them is Mickey Hot Springs. This particular hotsprings is not one for soaking. It is too hot. The water is near boiling and a drunk managed to remove himself from the gene pool by jumping into it. When we got to the Alvord itself we were surprised to find that the water is still very high in the lake. The temps have been in the 100's for weeks, but it is still not enough to dry the lake out this year. We decided to drive up to the entrance to the lake bed and son of a gun, there were gliders on the lake. I asked the wife what they were and she foolishly said " go see". It turns out it was a glider club from the Willamette Valley. (400 miles north by road) So I introduced my self and asked questions about the planes, where upon they asked me if I would like a flight? Naturally I took them up on it, leaving the wife and the dogs in the truck. Surprisingly even at 90 degrees oat. there was no thermals, which was just as well since it made it a lot easier to get back on the ground quickly. The glider was a trainer and not one of the more efficient types of single place ones, but the glide was still pretty impressive when one is used to a Firestar with a 8 to one glide rate. The performance was a lot similar though, stall at 40 mph ( mine is lower) landing speed is 50 mph, but man the air brakes and skid on the nose are serious. It was fun, but I will stick with a motor and the firestar. In case you are wondering, all the pictures are in the 100 kpb range and I attempted to send it via the BB, but tried to edit a spelling mistake, which dropped me to a "page expired" and I didn't have the heart to do it again. So I reverted to this. Larry, Oregon ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:20 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: KOLB MARK II: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" We should feel sympathy for Zoltan. The question is: are there many N-numbered MkIIs here in the USA? Zoltan/Bob B/Gang: Perhaps he should contact TNK. Maybe they can help him out. There is a dealer in England. Zoltan can get all the contact info here, including the England contact: http://www.tnkolbaircraft.com/contact_us.html john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:19 PM PST US From: "galen shirley" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flying soon! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "galen shirley" John Jung has a FS II and he flys out of Glendale airport. But he is traveling for the summer. He is a member of this group and will be back online the end of summer. I have a FSII but I'm up in Show Low Good luck Galen do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48055#48055 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:29 PM PST US From: Todd Fredricks Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks I am. On 7/16/06 5:33 PM, "Richard & Martha Neilsen" wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" > > > John/all > > Who all is going to Oshkosh this year? I got a E-mail from Scott Trask > wondering if I was going and swinging bye his place on the way. I hope every > one has a great and safe time this year. > > I'm going to miss Oshkosh this year. My son is getting married on Saturday > and family obligations will keep me tied up the rest of the week. > > Last year one of our group got separated and lost trying to find the > Ultralight strip. He found an emergency strip near the EAA camp ground and > landed. The local EAA Gestapo descended on the poor guy with the intent of > major harassment. Finally clearer heads prevailed and he was allow to take > off with directions and landed at the Ultralight strip. Afterwards I had a > conversation and later via E-Mail with the head guy for the Ultralight area > and tried to convince him that they should publish GPS coordinates for the > Ultralight strip but didn't get anywhere. They want eyes out side the > cockpit even if they are lost. Remember two years ago a pair of lost trikes > did the unforgivable and landed at the Pioneer airstrip. > > Also I was able to get the fuel trucks to cross over to the Ultralight > camping area and fuel us up with 100LL. Sure was easer than lugging fuel > cans for a mile. (well seem like it at the time). The fuel guys were able to > sell enough fuel that they said they would be happy to return. > > Thirteen+ years of enjoying this list just the way it is. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIc > >> Time to get ready to fly to OSH. I will be leaving Gantt IAP next >> Saturday. Should arrive OSH Sunday. Looks like I will be camping in >> the UL area. >> >> Take care, >> >> john h >> mkIII >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Todd Fredricks, DO Flying Fox Services Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com Photos Located at http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyingfoxservices/ ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:12 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne Amen, Ed! -- you're right on. Hope he listens. do not archive On Jul 17, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Ed Chmielewski wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" > > > Michael, > > Why aren't you posting to Matt directly? Your attempts to > ridicule and embarass anyone by posting directly on the list are > falling on deaf ears. > > Why do you think you're the only one experiencing any > 'problems'? Might be your setup, because everyone else is happy. > > I vote you be the first - permanently - banned member on > this list. You are a blight on the landscape, and a waste of > bandwidth. > > Ed in JXN > MkII/503 > > > ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:10 PM > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There is a problem with the way the list is working, and I have >> pointed it out to you. There is no reason you should have taken >> offense to that or even gotten defensive about it. >> >> Michael A. Bigelow >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=47913#47913 >> > > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > wiki.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:22 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: KOLB MARK II: --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman On Jul 17, 2006, at 7:24 PM, robert bean wrote: > We should feel sympathy for Zoltan. > The question is: are there many N-numbered MkIIs here in the USA? With the 582 Rotax? They would be very rare birds. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:52 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Kolb-List: --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Hey folks, I haven't flow since before the new reformulated gas was introduced for metro areas. I heard some concerns about gelling, but nothing with any firm data. I use Pennzoil premix in a 447, are we seeing any problems with Pennzoil in alcohol blended gas. What Rotax's position of alcohol blended gas in 2 strokes? Looking for some facts. jerb ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:49 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: In a message dated 7/17/2006 10:02:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, ulflyer@verizon.net writes: I use Pennzoil premix in a 447, are we seeing any problems with Pennzoil in alcohol blended gas. What Rotax's position of alcohol blended gas in 2 strokes? Looking for some facts. jerb Jerb I have flown 3 tank fulls of 10% alcohol and Pennzoil with no noticeable change. I flew Sat. for 1 hour and 25 min. on four gallons in the Firefly. I drained the tank each time after flying and use the gas elsewhere. If you dont leave the fuel in the tank after flying and you always use NEW fuel your chances of having water in your tank and corrosion as a result are less. I always use a Mister funnel when filling and I use the higher octane gas. I dont think you will have a problem if you are careful and use fresh gas and fog the engine, after use, like the manual says From what I understand it is only the synthetics that react adversely with the alcohol. Time will tell. So it is working for me and I am a little more at ease but as always I treat it like it could quit at the worst possible time. Ed Diebel (Firefly #62) ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:07 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Open Letter To Michael A. Bigelow... At 10:43 AM 7/17/2006 Monday, Michael A. Bigelow wrote: > > >My post about your forum was meant as a suggestion to you and I had no intent of upsetting you or anyone else with it. Please go back and read my original post, it was just good advice to make this forum a better place for us all. You have put a lot of time into this list, and I obviously touched a soft spot with you. I wish you would have taken the suggestion for what it was rather than taken offense to it. Any improvement to the list is good for all of us, but as the list admin it will benefit you more than anyone else. Bottom line is, I was trying to help you. > > Michael Bigelow, Okay, lets take a look at your original post and see just why so many people including myself found it offensive to one degree or another. Frankly, taken individually, many comments were insensitive and taken as a work, they came off as extremely arrogant and offensive. Some of the following are taken out of context, but the tone is the same: >Why are we using this antiquated system ? Use of the word "antiquated" is offensive to the person using the alleged antiquation. In my case, you are talking about something I put a great deal of personal time and financial resources into. For the Listers, its something that they know and use and are comfortable with. What if I said to you, "Why is your car such a piece of shit?" Offensive. I could have said "Hum, have you thought about maybe getting a new car?". I said the same thing, but it was totally not offensive. >The email system wastes a huge amount of bandwidth... "Wastes" implies negativity, and total disregard. Why not say "uses a lot of bandwidth"...? And who's to say its being wasted by the email distribution? I run the system and I say it isn't wasted. >...most of it is never read. Says who? You? Do you have statistics to back this claim up? Again, it is offensive to tell people what they do or don't do when you really don't have any imperial data. >The current email list system has so many limitations and drawbacks... Again, says who? "So many limitations and drawbacks" is like saying "Geez, your girlfriend is so fat, she can't even drive to the store to get beer." That's just not true, and has an exceedingly negative tone and is basically a slap in the face to the person managing said system. >...constantly having work around them, even though some may not realize it. Well, here you just called everyone on the List an idiot. "And, they don't even know they're stupid." I exaggerate for effect, but that's exactly what your saying to 1000 guys that have been around a lot longer that you have. How can that not be taken to be offensive? >...it is time for us to join the modern world... Again, "You Listers are just too stupid to join the modern world..." Just plain offensive. >...they will not like the idea of anything different even if it is better. "You're too stupid to even know if something is better." Could the Listers somehow not be offended by this? Not likely. >We should not let them hold improvements... "You dumb Listers are stupid and we shouldn't let your petty insecurities with something new hold us more knowledgeable people back. Yeah, that would probably piss you off too, wouldn't it? >...once they get used to a better system... Better says who? Just because someone likes Red VW Bugs, and you like Yellow Corvettes doesn't lessen the fact that Red VW Bugs are what the other person likes. Why would you insult their preference? >The current antiquated email list hurts us all by its inherent limitations >and stifles the potential of your forum. What? That's just plain bogus. Excepting a few translation gottchas that have been discussed, how is it that integrating what the vast majority of what people prefer (email distribution) with something new (the forum), "stifling" the potential??? That's a totally ridiculous line of reasoning. I have given both groups of users what they want - not just what a few want. How can that be possibly be "stifling potential"? >...it could be so much better. What? Again, what is your basis? How is supporting email distribution in addition to forums "so much worse". >I just wonder why you don't bring us up modern standards here on the list >like every other forum in the world. Again, what? How is supporting email distribution in addition to forums a disadvantage? You just don't make any sense. I will admit that much of what I pointed out can be caulked up to semantics, but the point is that you use extremely negative, condescending language and tone to get a point across that isn't valid. And you assert that web-based forums are "far superior to antiquated email distribution". I flatly, and emphatically disagree with you. I personally hate having to go to a web site for my discussion content. And its not because I'm too stupid to know any better. I've been writing high and low level code and building and using computers for 20 years and have a better understanding of everything about the machine you are reading this email on than most people. The world is about choices. I have tried to provide as many choices as possible here on the Matronics Email Lists. I could have long ago forced everyone to use a web-forum version of the List content as I know at least a couple of other operators have. But why? Why make people "choose" when there is absolutely no reason to do so. I put a lot of time, work, and resources (financial and otherwise) into running these Lists and providing the members with the best - and most functionally diverse - system I possibly can. And yes, I do jump on the rabble-rousers like yourself when then come on the List and start making assertions about the quality of experience here on the Lists. I take your offensive and unsubstantiated comments personally. Liken it to calling my kid fat and stupid. That being said, most everyone on the Lists will attest to my open-mindedness when it comes to adding new services and features to the List experience here. The Forums, the Wiki, the Chat, the Search Engine, the List Browse, and about two thirds of the Lists were all direct responses to *requests from Listers*! When someone makes a useful suggestion, I listen and do my best to implement when possible. On the other hand, I, like most people, I believe, don't feel particularly motivated by individuals that toss around a bunch of insults and trash talk disguised as supportive and "constructive criticism". I have Cc:'d the List on this email, because I wanted to make my comments in the public forum. I also wanted to apologize in the public forum for my border-line response to you particularly with respect to my banning comment. It was inappropriate and unjustified. It also stimulated somewhat of a "let's beat up on Michael A. Bigelow" rash of content and for this I apologize as well. That being said, you frankly got, to a great extent, what you deserved. You need to work on your presentation and start stripping out the "offensive" content and condescending attitude. You will always find yourself in the middle of a controversy if you continue with this behavior. I would like to consider this thread closed. There are a great many people that strongly prefer the Email Distribution method of content distribution - myself included - and there are a great many people that prefer the newer web-forum method of content distribution. Both are available at the Matronics Lists. People like choices. That's what I try to provide. Enough said. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft