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1. 03:58 AM - Re: Tank location (John Hauck)
2. 04:51 AM - Re: Glass Panel Construction DVD (russ kinne)
3. 05:22 AM - Glass Panel URL (Jon Croke)
4. 05:24 AM - Re: Fw: KOLB MARK II: (Eugene Zimmerman)
5. 07:53 AM - Re: Firefly W/ bigger tank (Terry)
6. 08:36 AM - Re: Firefly W/ bigger tank (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
7. 08:37 AM - Re: Firefly W/ bigger tank ()
8. 08:45 AM - Re: Tank location (George E. Thompson)
9. 10:29 AM - Hot morning in Arizona (Craig Nelson)
10. 10:50 AM - Re: Fw: KOLB MARK II: aka Old Kolb-built machines (Bob Noyer)
11. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: Just a little lie (jerb)
12. 11:31 AM - Re: Hot morning in Arizona (russ kinne)
13. 11:40 AM - Re: The New Kolb Aircraft Co. (Travis Brown)
14. 12:41 PM - Re: Hot morning in Arizona (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
15. 02:17 PM - Re: The New Kolb Aircraft Co. (Roger Lee)
16. 02:18 PM - Re: Hot morning in Arizona (Roger Lee)
17. 02:25 PM - Re: Just a little lie (pat ladd)
18. 03:51 PM - Re: Just a little lie (Ralph Hoover)
19. 03:51 PM - Re: Just a little lie (Ralph Hoover)
20. 03:55 PM - Re: The New Kolb Aircraft Co. (Ralph Hoover)
21. 04:35 PM - Re: Just a little lie (Richard Girard)
22. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: Hot morning in Arizona (Craig Nelson)
23. 06:15 PM - Re: The New Kolb Aircraft Co. (Craig Nelson)
24. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: Hot morning in Arizona (John Hauck)
25. 08:14 PM - joyride (robert bean)
26. 08:14 PM - Re: Firefly W/ bigger tank (DAquaNut@aol.com)
27. 08:19 PM - Re: The New Kolb Aircraft Co. (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Tank location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Jerry
Jerry/Gang:
Don't know that you can buy an 18 gal tank for an original FS
anywhere.
We designed and fabricated one out of .050 5052 aluminum to fit the
inside, top of the fuselage behind the bulkhead.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Glass Panel Construction DVD |
FWIW I pasted http://homebuilthelp.com/Glass_Panel.htm into
SAFARI (on a Mac G4) and it c ame right up. Impressive page.
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On Jul 18, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Jon, none of the URL's worked with Firefox, Are they IE only?
>
> Rick
>
> On 7/18/06, Jon Croke <jon@joncroke.com > wrote:
> This is an announcement of interest to the Kolb community that
> www.HomebuiltHELP.com has just released a new DVD video
> presentation entitled: " Building a Glass Panel for your
> Homebuilt Aircraft ".
>
> It is a unique presentation in that it allows first time panel
> builders see what is involved with designing and fabricating a
> modern electronic display panel for their homebuilt by watching
> someone do it from start to finish.
>
> I will leave it at that and those that are interested in this topic
> can visit the webpage outline at http://homebuilthelp.com/
> Glass_Panel.htm
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jon
>
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport.
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Jon, none of the URL's worked with Firefox, Are they IE only?
Thanks for the heads up... let me try this again:
http://homebuilthelp.com/Glass_Panel.htm
And in case it doesnt work again, then: do not archive !
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: KOLB MARK II: |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Bob,
Ok, if you say so.
Apparently I am wrong again, unless I am mistaken. :-)
I was under the impression that they merely helped some builders.
Which models planes did Kolb offer for sale newly factory built?
I know they sold some of their own used planes after they were no
longer needed as company demonstrators .
Did Kolb also provide the required registration / certification
documents with new planes they built and sold?
Gene
On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Bob Noyer wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
>
> Gene Z.,
> Old Kolb DID sell some factory-built machines, of several models.
>
> regards,
> Bob N.
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
>
> do not archive
>
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly W/ bigger tank |
DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
> List:
>
> Anyone flying a Firefly with a 10 gallon tank, or is it unsafe? I
> only weigh 175lb so I thought maybe I could put a larger capacity tank
> and still not have the gross weight as high as some one flying with
> only 5 gal.and a pilot weight of 210 lbs .or so. Comments???
>
> Ed Diebel
Ed,
I fly my FireFly with considerable more weight added when going camping
with my flying friends. I too weight 175 and only have a 5 gallon tank,
but I have carried a tent, sleeping bag, folding chair, two air
mattresses, cooler and 2 gals of extra fuel when making these trips. I
also have a pouch built behind the fuel tank to carry supplies which
must weigh 5 lb.'s. The FireFly showed no adverse flying habits doing
so. Consider that all of that added weight is directly under the wing
and CG. It just caused some amusement for others when they wanted to
know how I trucked all that gear with me. If you weight in at 225,
maybe then to be concerned. My question is why the 10 gals.? The range
on the FireFly with 5 gals. is over a 120 miles and that will take me
far enough. I do carry a one gal. spare as luggage on my luggage rack
behind my seat on all flights for security.
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly W/ bigger tank |
DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
List:
Anyone flying a Firefly with a 10 gallon tank, or is it unsafe?
Ed Diebel
Ed,
For what it's worth, I weigh about 185 and I flew my 447 powered
Firestar with two 5-gallon tanks for over 100 hours. Never had a
problem. Now it seems to me that you shouldn't have a problem because
the Firefly weighs less than the Firestar with the same engine. I can't
imagine that there would be a structural problem with the extra 30+
pounds.
AzDave
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly W/ bigger tank |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <jeepacro@cox.net>
When you do this are you over grose #? If so by how much?
--
Rob.
---- Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net> wrote:
> DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
>
> > List:
> >
> > Anyone flying a Firefly with a 10 gallon tank, or is it unsafe? I
> > only weigh 175lb so I thought maybe I could put a larger capacity tank
> > and still not have the gross weight as high as some one flying with
> > only 5 gal.and a pilot weight of 210 lbs .or so. Comments???
> >
> > Ed Diebel
>
> Ed,
>
> I fly my FireFly with considerable more weight added when going camping
> with my flying friends. I too weight 175 and only have a 5 gallon tank,
> but I have carried a tent, sleeping bag, folding chair, two air
> mattresses, cooler and 2 gals of extra fuel when making these trips. I
> also have a pouch built behind the fuel tank to carry supplies which
> must weigh 5 lb.'s. The FireFly showed no adverse flying habits doing
> so. Consider that all of that added weight is directly under the wing
> and CG. It just caused some amusement for others when they wanted to
> know how I trucked all that gear with me. If you weight in at 225,
> maybe then to be concerned. My question is why the 10 gals.? The range
> on the FireFly with 5 gals. is over a 120 miles and that will take me
> far enough. I do carry a one gal. spare as luggage on my luggage rack
> behind my seat on all flights for security.
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: Tank location |
This was on my Firestar II. I bought a Titan 10 gal. tank. I had to cut
and re splice one diagonal tube just behind the seat back. put it on a
padded metal piece on top of the tube and only brace it to keep it
upright.
Hope this helps.
Az. Bald Eagle
----- Original Message -----
From: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tank location
George, please expand on your 10 gallon set up. Do you two fives or
one 10? What about weight, you must be over P103? Strength, can the
might Firestar haul that load? What engine are you using? Any other
info?
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No virus found in this incoming message.
7/17/2006
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| Subject: | Hot morning in Arizona |
HAY GANG!
Milow Tim and I got up at 3 AM to beat the heat, flying the Extra at
Coolidge Airport.
Uncle Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: KOLB MARK II: aka Old Kolb-built machines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
FireFly comes to mind(?) Where is Dennis? He ought to jump in here.
And No, I think, they didn't furnish any test or airworthiness data.
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Just a little lie |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Ralph, I see the problem already, you should know better than to put
a Starboard scales under a Port wheel. What do you expect was going
to happen. =-O Just a suggestion check repeatability on your scales
- may find there off more than you think.
jerb
At 03:02 PM 7/18/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
>
>Rick, I went to "Target" bought 4 scales, 0-300# each for $.7.00
>each. 3 for plane 1 for spare. Instructor and I lifted Firestar KXP
>and lowered each wheel (front sides first) onto scale. Weighed
>plane. Was pleased. Decided to do weights and balance. I climbed in
>plane (at instructors suggestion, ...he, he!) and sat down.
>
>Port scale shot out from under wheel, shout "WHOOPS", Starboard
>scale shot out from under Port wheel, sigh of "OH CRAP" emited from
>my lips, plane wiggled a bit, plane rolled forward, blam! Rear wheel
>rolled forward and pop, scale shot across room, spring system to
>left, upper stamping of scale body shot out right, base stayed stationary!
>
>Kolb =0 Scales=3!
>
>Dumb move on our part. Next visit to Target, we buy 5 scales: two
>for starboard wheel, two for port wheel, one for back wheel. Block
>plane from forward / backward movement. Climb into plane gently!
>
>On the bottom of the scales they stated: "No critical weighing"! Go figure.
>
>Laughing all the way back to Target!
>
>Heavy Ohio Ralph!
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48315#48315
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hot morning in Arizona |
Hay "Uncle Craig"
Delighted you flew your beautiful Extra, and at a great time of day
too. Must have been a wonderful experience.
Did I see some pix of your bird flying without the engine cowling?
Have you had any problems with it? I was planning to make one --
fair winds,
Russ Kinne
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On Jul 19, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Craig Nelson wrote:
> HAY GANG!
>
> Milow Tim and I got up at 3 AM to beat the heat, flying the Extra
> at Coolidge Airport.
>
> Uncle Craig
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The New Kolb Aircraft Co. |
Thank you Larry very much Sir for the kind words Always glad to help
Travis @ Kolb
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:41 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: The New Kolb Aircraft Co.
Hi,
I know that there was a thread recently about TNK not being helpful. I
also know that it was answered by quite a few people that their
experience had been a lot different. Even though the answer has been
given in the affirmative I wanted to relate what happened to me today.
I am buying some used parts from Terry Davis, legs and axles. The deal
was that I should give him half the new cost, which is a great deal for
me. The only way that I could find that information was to call TNK. Now
I have to say that it takes a lot of balls to call a company that makes
it living by selling us parts and planes and ask them to help you save
money. I put it off until I was feeling guilty about not getting Terry
any money. ( I had written him once hoping that he would just set a
price, he wouldn't) So I called Travis today at TNK, and I was honest
with him, told him what I was about, tried to apologize for being such a
jerk. He would have none of it and gave me the information that I
needed, and much more besides. He also lamented the rise in prices that
every thing from metal to nuts and bolts that they had to pass on to the
customer. I am not sure how any conversation with the guys at TNK could
be confused with not being helpful at all. I have dealt with both
companies, old and new, and I have to tell you that this one is one of
the easiest that I have ever found.
Count me as a fan!
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Hot morning in Arizona |
Uncle Craig & Tim,
Good luck! I know it's early in your flight testing and I'm holding
my breath for you...let us know how your flihgt is and how many hours yo
have on it so far.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Nelson
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Hot morning in Arizona
HAY GANG!
Milow Tim and I got up at 3 AM to beat the heat, flying the Extra at
Coolidge Airport.
Uncle Craig
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| Subject: | Re: The New Kolb Aircraft Co. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Hi All,
I to have had nothing but great service, support and help from the group at TNK.
TNK if you read this , Thank You!
Roger Lee
Tucson,Az
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | Re: Hot morning in Arizona |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Hi Craig,
Let me know when you want to fly and I'll fly up in my Mark III from Tucson and
meet you. Coolidge is only a 30 minute flight for me.
We met at Monument Valley. I had the Red, White and blue stars and stripes. I fly
twice a week. The flying is usually good up til 0900 hrs.
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
520-574-1080
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | Re: Just a little lie |
some people want to use them for aircraft or something weird like
that.">>
Hi Richard,
is this sort of thing normal in the US.
What the hell does it have to do with the scale makers what you are
using them for?
Bemused Brit
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Just a little lie |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Actually, one of my many engineering jobs in my younger years was with a major
scale (Automated Weighihg Systems). We knew the mechanical variations and frictions
that clarified even in the best scales " 1% of scale capacity error!"
To the layman that means that if a scale has a weighing capacity (registry) of
say 300# that the scale could be as much as 3# off ready: "Anywhere along its
range"! DUH! If you weigh a 200# man he may weigh as much as 6# difference. Intently
that ment +6# and or minus 6# or a plus and minus combination, to include
"breakaway friction" of 6# on the plus or the minus!
The problem that lead to this problem was really the fact that the plane moved.
We should have used chocks! Not only thta but any inteligent human knows that
3 - 300# scales in total can weigh evenly dispersed weight of 900#. We as "drivers"
of aircraft also should reason that aircraft do not weigh 300# or less
on each wheel! Brain fart on my part. Just because someone in charge tells you
to do something and you have enough expierience to know better, APPLY that knowledge!
I didnt'. But you are correct in say that "Starboard scale shot out from
under Port wheel" was an obvious mistake. I agree, it should.
Now as for Pats statement "is this sort of thing normal in the US. " I answer
a big "YES" its America and we have lawyers! We can afford the stupid "eliminate
common sense and please dont sue us if you misuse our products" statement to
the point that we have more "DISCLAIMERS" than any other country in the world.
Some other time I will share with you haow easy it is to "rewrite history"
and "Make laws on the fly in America"!
Only in America is not always a good catch phrase. THe best part about this thread
is That only in America can any man woman or child justify insanity in place
of using the not so common "common sense"!
I think I'll sue Matt for his beard interfering in covering up his face underneath,
from right here in Ohio, Ralph!
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| Subject: | Re: Just a little lie |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Boy the "Butthead" that yped the previous statement (Ralph) sure could have used
a lesson in spell checker!
No Name!
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| Subject: | Re: The New Kolb Aircraft Co. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
I smell a HUGE discount for each and every one of the previous responders to thsi
thread!
Unfortunatly, I have no control of TNK's pocketbook! But I probably, because of
the heat in Ohio right now, do smell!
Ohio Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Just a little lie |
Yes, In the wonderful world of product liability it's better to start from a
known point. I have been turned down by businesses when I uttered the "A"
word. Recently I contacted the maker of Facet fuel pumps to get information
about which pumps had check valves and which didn't. Figuring that since
Spruce and Wick's sell them, I did a momentary brain fart and used the "A"
word. Reply came back, "No airplane, BADDDD jujoo, go away, shoo." Or words
to that effect.
Now I buy parts for my off road vehicle all the time. It's not even a lie, I
never tell them how far off the road it goes. I just needed a quick
explanation for the need for three scales and my buddies electric trike came
to mind.
I urge everyone to read the book, "Rules for Radicals". If you can't blind
'em with brilliance..................
Rick
On 7/19/06, pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> some people want to use them for aircraft or something weird like
> that.">>
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> is this sort of thing normal in the US.
>
> What the hell does it have to do with the scale makers what you are using
> them for?
>
> Bemused Brit
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Hot morning in Arizona |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Craig Nelson" <Craig.Nelson@heraeus.com>
ROGER I WOULD LOVE TO FLY WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND YES RUSS I HAVE
NOT FLOWN WITH THE COWLING AS YET, AFTER MY LAST ENCOUNTER I AM GOING TO
GET A FEW HOURS BEFOR I MOUNT IT. We did a lot of modification and are
just going a little slower. On the rebuild we mounted the horizontal
brackets that have adjustment holes like the fire star. To date we have
had them in the bottom hole and it seems as though we are pushing a lot
or air with the bottom of the wing (can't seem go gain much air speed)
it doesn't feel like it did two years ago. I talked to Travis at TNK he
said we might try raising the horizontal. Can any one give suggestions
the prop is pitched at 11.5 deg and at 5200 the air speed is only 50 to
55 it feels a bit mushy. I will be in New York till the end of the month
and will resume testing in Aug.
Uncle craig
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I fly twice a week. The flying is usually good up til 0900 hrs.
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
520-574-1080
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Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | The New Kolb Aircraft Co. |
Travis thank you for all your support over the past 6 years you have
always Ben there for me and have gone the extra mile for the milows.
Travis has helped us even when there are not only so many aircraft that
TNK did not build or engineer but to keep up with changes and
improvements on the current aircraft. He has gone out of his way to get
parts that are no longer made at TNK. If you can give him an example he
can get her done. We love these little birds and it is refreshing when
someone goes beyond expectations of the employer and gives thankless
service!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again from Milow Tim and Uncle craig thanks Travis
and TNK
Uncle craig
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Travis Brown
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:38 AM
Thank you Larry very much Sir for the kind words Always glad to help
Travis @ Kolb
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From: Larry Cottrell <mailto:lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:41 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: The New Kolb Aircraft Co.
Hi,
I know that there was a thread recently about TNK not being
helpful. I also know that it was answered by quite a few people that
their experience had been a lot different. Even though the answer has
been given in the affirmative I wanted to relate what happened to me
today.
I am buying some used parts from Terry Davis, legs and axles.
The deal was that I should give him half the new cost, which is a great
deal for me. The only way that I could find that information was to call
TNK. Now I have to say that it takes a lot of balls to call a company
that makes it living by selling us parts and planes and ask them to help
you save money. I put it off until I was feeling guilty about not
getting Terry any money. ( I had written him once hoping that he would
just set a price, he wouldn't) So I called Travis today at TNK, and I
was honest with him, told him what I was about, tried to apologize for
being such a jerk. He would have none of it and gave me the information
that I needed, and much more besides. He also lamented the rise in
prices that every thing from metal to nuts and bolts that they had to
pass on to the customer. I am not sure how any conversation with the
guys at TNK could be confused with not being helpful at all. I have
dealt with both companies, old and new, and I have to tell you that this
one is one of the easiest that I have ever found.
Count me as a fan!
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Hot morning in Arizona |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Can any one give suggestions
| the prop is pitched at 11.5 deg and at 5200 the air speed is only 50
to
| 55 it feels a bit mushy. | Uncle craig
Unk Craig/Gang:
Maybe you are flying too early in the morning. Airplane hasn't had a
chance to wake up completely.
Shoulda got a mkIII without the X. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Group, I had to go up this morning, no excuses. 70F, calm, sunny,
> low humidity. Well the runway could have used a mowing.
> Up til now I have never used flaps. Couldn't see a need.
> I saw my neighbor strolling near his strip and curiosity got the better
> of me. A lazy turn to final and I pulled. Hmmmm, some resistance.
> Looked back, Nada. Ok, pull harder. Looked back, one notch.
> Very nice trajectory, back some stick for 55, nice slow touchdown.
> I may even do it again!
> -BB, slow learner but having a good time anyway.
> MkIIIc mongrel
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly W/ bigger tank |
In a message dated 7/19/2006 10:38:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,
jeepacro@cox.net writes:
When you do this are you over grose #? If so by how much?
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Rob
If you take my bare plane it weighed 252 + 30 lb fuel + 20lb BRS +
4 lb brakes + 4lbs 6" wheels and tires. At that rate it would be over
gross if the pilot weighed over 195Lbs
The original factory firefly had firestar solid axles and brakes + BRS
+ full enclosure + lexan gap seal, and if Im not mistaken had pilots fly her
in excess of 210lbs. I know the Factory firefly weighed more than mine.
Last time I checked my gross was 518# with 5 gal fuel . Five more would bring
it to 548lbs Anyone know what the Red /White Firefly weighed?
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: The New Kolb Aircraft Co. |
Now that's the Travis I have come to know also Very nice people at TNK they
have helped me out also and I am hoping sometime in the future I will be able
to buy a NEW KIT from them
I got a MK3 Extra on my wish list
Ellery in Rebuilt Original Firestar and another one on the way to rebuild
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