---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/24/06: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:14 AM - Re: Pat Ladd's OH DEAR! event & the "riggin" factor... (Dave Bigelow) 2. 02:19 AM - full throttle. (pat ladd) 3. 03:15 AM - Re: Re: Pat Ladd's OH DEAR! event & the "riggin" factor... (pat ladd) 4. 03:24 AM - Re: Oh Dear. (pat ladd) 5. 03:37 AM - Re: Re: Pat Ladd's OH DEAR! event & the "riggin" factor... (pat ladd) 6. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: Pat Ladd's OH DEAR! event & the "riggin" factor... (robert bean) 7. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: Pat Ladd's OH DEAR! event & the "riggin" factor... (Eugene Zimmerman) 8. 06:20 AM - Re: Ms. Dixie (Paul Petty) 9. 08:52 AM - WIng Folding (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 10. 09:18 AM - Adjustable Mixture Controls (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 11. 11:26 AM - Re: WIng Folding (Robert Laird) 12. 12:05 PM - Looking for Steve Green (Mike Schnabel) 13. 12:58 PM - Scales for weight and balance (Richard Girard) 14. 04:57 PM - Re: Cross Country Flying/ My Story (planecrazzzy) 15. 08:13 PM - Re: WIng Folding (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 16. 09:53 PM - Throttle to Cable Question... all models (David Key) 17. 10:16 PM - Re: Throttle to Cable Question... all models (WillUribe@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:40 AM PST US From: "Dave Bigelow" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Pat Ladd's OH DEAR! event & the "riggin" factor... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" > so i intended to propose this "folding" issue to the respective lists for these planes as one of the informal "polls" we see from time to time I rig and derig my Firestar by myself every time I fly it. It takes 20 minutes from roll out to being ready to start. I've never had any problem with scraping the bottom of the wings, and I don't need wing stands. I do use a small piece of foam to lay the wing tips on before setting the main spar pin and lifting the wing to install the strut pin. If you have to add rolling on and off a trailer to the process, it will take longer. Also, I'm sure the Xtra wing is enough heavier that it would be difficult for one person to lift it to attach the strut. Bet there are guys on this list that do self-rig the Xtra! -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49522#49522 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:57 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: full throttle. What a crying shame, Pat. Sorry to hear it. >> Hi Lar, thanks for your sympathy. You may be in the air before me now. Told my sad story to an ex commercial pilot last night who responded with this one. In the days when automatics were beginning to be introduced into commercial cockpits this particular airline included in the cockpit start up drill full movement of the throttles and check that the automatics `followed through`. The pilot of a big Boeing suddenly remembered that he had not done this drill and, forgetting that they had just fired up the engines, went to full throttle. and lifted the entire roof off the hangar. The roof settled back on to the walls but the whole thing had to be dismantled and rebuilt. That made me feel better. But not much. Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:38 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Pat Ladd's OH DEAR! event & the "riggin" factor... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" Bet there are guys on this list that do self-rig the Xtra!>> Hi Dave, I am sure there are. I have only had to rig twice and already I had devised a hook on a stick to pull the safety pins from the unreachable tail fitting. Luckily there was a barrel in the yard which, with a Kolb cushion on top brought the wing tip almost to rigging height. It wasn`t really a problem. Now that I have sold my Challenger (I don`t have the cheque yet) I had hoped never to have derigged again so I had not really applied myself to making things easier. Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:43 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oh Dear. Cheers back at you Pat!>> Thanks. Now I am trying to convince the insurers that taxying from the rigging point to my hangar for fuel is different to taxying for take off. Apparently the first is covered but the second is not. Because I described moving the aircraft as `taxying` that totally confused them. Heigh Ho. looks like the beginning of a hard trail. Cheers Pat dp not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:13 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: Pat Ladd's OH DEAR! event & the "riggin" factor... if the kolb were really so quick n easy to rig,>> Hi, The Kolb is not difficult to rig etc. but as I had the Challenger there to fly all ready to go there was no pressure to rig. There is a certain amount of knack as there is in everything and having 2 people makes it easier. After many years flying gliders rigging etc is not new to me. The rigging was not a factor in the accident. That was just my stupidity. Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:53 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Pat Ladd's OH DEAR! event & the "riggin" factor... --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean > > >> so i intended to propose this "folding" issue to the respective lists >> for these planes as one of the informal "polls" we see from time to >> time > > I fold my MkIIIc once a year for storage in my basement workshop. The > tail has to be held at least two feet off the ground because of the uphill slope to the door threshold. First time I did get a slight leading edge bruise. My brother helps with the process. -BB do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:12 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: Pat Ladd's OH DEAR! event & the "riggin" factor... --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman On Jul 24, 2006, at 6:36 AM, pat ladd wrote: > That was just my stupidity. Hey Pat, We all have more than enough of that characteristic and have had to pay the tuition to master it. Welcome to the club. Bro, John is president. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:31 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ms. Dixie --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Mike, Yes we coverd the wings at the airport. We wanted the help of a guy who has been covering airplanes for 30 years. We will cover the rest of the plane back at our hanger in the air conditioning :D -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49538#49538 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:01 AM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Kolb-List: WIng Folding --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:11 AM >> so i intended to propose this "folding" issue to the respective lists for >> these planes as one of the informal "polls" we see from time to time > > > I rig and derig my Firestar by myself every time I fly it. >Also, I'm sure the Xtra wing is enough heavier that it would be difficult >for one person to lift it to attach the strut. Bet there are guys on this >list that do self-rig the Xtra! > > -------- > Dave Bigelow When I had my Firestar (110 hours) I rigged it by myself every time I flew. No problem. Now I have a MKIII Classic and I rig it by myself every time I fly. I have a stand to support the wing and the only time I ask for help is when it is windy. The wing is very vulnerable when it is on the stand and everything is disconnected. I've got 125 hours on the MKIII and I'd guess I've rigged it upwards of 60 times with no problems. I have had problems with scraping the wings coming out of the trailer if I'm not careful. One of the main reasons I got the Kolb was the folding wing and the ability to rig it by myself. I do it slowly and easily allow myself one hour from opening the trailer door to taxiing. This time includes getting all the junk in the trailer outside, taking off all my tiedown straps, rigging, refueling, and preflighting. Also, I've made it a practice to always take it "around the patch" by myself to make sure everything is ok before I take up a passenger. I don't need a screaming passenger in the right seat if anything goes wrong. AzDave (I took the liberty of changing the subject line to better reflect what we're talking about.) > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49522#49522 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:32 AM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Kolb-List: Adjustable Mixture Controls Gang, Does anyone have experience with in-flight adjustable mixture controls on a 582. I know two pilots who have them and they are very happy. But these are not on 582's and they have single carbs. Comments: AzDave ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:18 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WIng Folding --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" Dave -- Can I get a photo of your wing stand? On 7/24/06, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:08 PM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Kolb-List: Looking for Steve Green Steve if you read this, i would like to talk to you off list. Had a great conversation with Bryan Melborne and he suggested i contact you. So if your not too busy, send me an email and how i can contact you. Thanks! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 --------------------------------- Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:07 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Kolb-List: Scales for weight and balance Several of you asked where I bought scales for weighing my three wheeled electric cars. :-) I bought model PS-500. They weigh 0 to 500 lb. +/- .5 pounds and are $167.50 each. Jay Afonso A and A Scales LLC 800-481-4114 Just so there's no question about purpose, you might try ordering with a buddy, so one of you could be a go kart racer and the other a motorcycle racer. There would probably be no question if four and two were ordered. Just a thought. They seem to be very accurate and have a 12" X 12" weighing pad. One thing I didn't see when I ordered them was that the readout is connected to the pad by a four foot or so coil cord. Very handy when that electric car wheel is in a wheel pant, say. :-) Rick PS Intercomp Scales, the folks that make racing scales for NASCAR offers sets for weighing aircraft. The smallest set has 0-1500 lb. scales, so they might be a little big, unless you have a spam can to weigh, too. -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:26 PM PST US From: "planecrazzzy" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Flying/ My Story --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Hey Matt, Any idea why this was only posted on the "old" list and not the new one.....odd I thought posts went to both new & old list's......? Gotta Fly... Mike & "Fat" Jaz -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49648#49648 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:15 PM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WIng Folding --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Sure, I'll do it tomorrow. But it isn't anything but a padded "T" stand that the wing sits on. AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:23 AM > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" > > Dave -- > > Can I get a photo of your wing stand? > > On 7/24/06, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote: >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:32 PM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: Kolb-List: Throttle to Cable Question... all models There is a tiny hole that I'm suppose to use to connect my throttle stick to the cable. I guess I'm suppose to use a safty wire or a cotter pin. What have you guys done here? Thanks, Almost Done David ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:17 PM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Throttle to Cable Question... all models I use a cotter pin _http://members.aol.com/cesaru/KolbFSII/259.jpg_ (http://members.aol.com/cesaru/KolbFSII/259.jpg) In a message dated 7/24/2006 10:58:03 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, dhkey@msn.com writes: There is a tiny hole that I'm suppose to use to connect my throttle stick to the cable. I guess I'm suppose to use a safty wire or a cotter pin. What have you guys done here? Thanks, Almost Done David