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1. 01:27 AM - Re: Taxi Insurance was Oh Dear. (pat ladd)
2. 02:38 AM - Re: Emailing: HPIM1049 (pat ladd)
3. 08:49 AM - Wing Folding (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
4. 09:57 AM - Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" (Jbowaaf@wmconnect.com)
5. 11:01 AM - Important Notice! Protect Your Account Access (Darnell)
6. 11:52 AM - 2006 Account Upgrade (Nell)
7. 12:10 PM - Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" (Ralph Hoover)
8. 01:08 PM - Oshcosh rambling (Ralph Hoover)
9. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" (pat ladd)
10. 02:42 PM - Notification of Limited Account Access(Routing Code:4C840-L001-Q190-T1836) (Julianne)
11. 04:30 PM - Spam (Richard Pike)
12. 04:40 PM - Re: Spam (ron wehba)
13. 04:53 PM - Pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" (Larry Bourne)
14. 04:54 PM - Re: Spam (Larry Bourne)
15. 05:00 PM - Re: Spam (Jack B. Hart)
16. 05:54 PM - Re: Spam (Vic Peters)
17. 06:00 PM - Re: Spam (robert bean)
18. 06:17 PM - Re: Spam (Bob Noyer)
19. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" (russ kinne)
20. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" (russ kinne)
21. 06:44 PM - Re: Firefly W/ bigger tank (jimhefner)
22. 10:23 PM - Re: Pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" (possums)
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| Subject: | Re: Taxi Insurance was Oh Dear. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
once you
start the take-off roll, you are "in-flight" and remain so until you
land and are "off the runway".>>
Thanks Thom,
that looks pretty much the reason that when I spoke to the insurers they
tried hard to get me to say that I was just going to take off.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: HPIM1049 |
pictures of my "T" stand>>
Hi ,
very neat. I had envisaged something more like a step ladder to
accomodate rough ground. I assume from the small flat base that you
usually rig on a flat surface.
Pat
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pictures of my "T" stand>>
>I assume from the small flat base that you usually rig on a flat
surface.
Not necessarily. In fact, most of my rigging is on dirt, grass, or
???. It's a rare occasion when I rig on asphalt or other flat surface.
The stand does jess fine, thank yew, on just about any surface. It
doesn't have to be exactly straight up and down.
AzDave
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| Subject: | Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" |
dear "wobblin" in ohio, bro "azdave"... & to all who've responded with such
verve, wit, & helpful insight. that's exactly what i was hoping to learn...
the real skinny on -- "to derig or not to derig" . sorry, but i prefer the
mother tongue here; something a lil unnerving about the word "folding" in this
context. know what i mean? besides i can wear my ascot while engaged in the
former; with the latter, a brs seems more appropriate....eh wot!!. pat, i hope
all
this merriment & good humor have not added to ur funk.... rather, it has
gotten a smile or 2 out'n u and that u'r now hard at repair, or as we coonasses
do
when making delicate adjustments to recalcitrant machinery, "taking ur ball
peen to the thing".
on a more sombre note, that having to reach around for the choke sounds like
a real bummer. that's true for which engines i wonder. was that most
challenging contortion part of the singer, john denver's passing in his homebuilt
(he,
trying to reach a fuel handle)??? just glad u'r ok. john bowman in baton
rouge
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| Subject: | Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
"john bowman in baton rouge" and "we coonasses"! Dag nab-it son, now I nowed wear
i readed that kinda-ritin!
In 1969 I had the wonderful pleasure of visiting your fine state for a little Uncle
Sam R and R. I't seems like the government saw fit to bless your fine state
with a bunch of Northern boys for a stay at Fort Polk (hell hole of the U.S.A.).
I was honored with new cloths, three squares, bedding, an M-1 (all the good
guns 14 and 16 were goin to Nam), and clean socks and boots. I spent many
a day and night in the mess hall runnin the buffer machine and aligning salt and
pepper shakers on the tables, for some unknown reason.
Fort Polk was closed after WW-II and it wasn't quite up to snuff when they reopened
it for us new boys. But they did set up some GP medium tents about 10 clicks
from the mess hall and with our back packs filled to the brim, like we were
intending to go somewhere in a hurry, our D.I's quickly amassed us in formation,
so to make sure there wasn't nobody a-missin and would thereby be malnourished.
We then ran to breakfast and dinner each day to enjoy the 16 minutes of
dining pleasure available. For our "in-field" lunch, it was served from prepackaged
"K-ration", sill avaliable after Korea and WW-II. Love the cigs. and always
to this day carry a pocket P-38 opener. I'm sorry, government, if your a
readin this, I owe you for one I took from my mes kit. I vividly remember with
great fondbess the packet of crackers that some how made it from the manufacturer,
to the packager and through the militray aquision facilities and out to
us in the field, still intact!
For 10 weeks plus one (hell week), I was honored to meet some of the finest human
beings in the world, and they was from your fine state. As a matter of fact,
between the cagins and the coonasses, I didn't have many other friends. They
all had bouey knives and hated the New England boys (all of the New England states).
They said cause they talked to fast and way to funny. They considered
it an insult to have to listen to them talk. Now there are probably more Northerners
in your fine state than there are natives speakin like you do.
To wrap this story up, I then left your beautiful state: sleeping in tents, running
everywhere, sweating and grunting and hurting, without enough time to even
think (I think they wanted it that way), and then flew (this is a web site about
flying) to beautiful Fort Sam Houston, in Tex. via TTA, Trans Texas Airlines,
or as we referred to them "Tree Top Airlines" where you don't need no entertainment
other than watching the rivets vibrate lose and fly through the air
from the wings of our poorly maintained, but under Government contract DC3's.
These mighty machines filled to the brim with troops was heading to the Medical
facility "on the hill" at Fort Sam. At Fort Sam, we had brand new barricks,
two men to a room, air conditioned, and carpeted, with windows all around and
fine Doctors teaching us new medics the wear-a-bouts of the body innards. Evenings
off, weekends were ours and the PX had lots of goodies for us to spend our
"over-paid" income on. I still remember every moment awake in Fort Polk, but
can't recall much from Fort Sam.
I would never trade that time for any other experience in the world. I also, in
the same breath would ask the good Lord to make sure I never need to experience
that experience again. Anyone that served in the military knows what I am talking
about. Not the service time, just the basic training.
And for them spell-checker fans, I ententionally misspelllled some of the wurds
in this to pay homage to my brother in Louisiana!
Armed and dangerous, well trained and over equipped Ralph of Ohio!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
I know, spelling. Oh well.
You know since this board isn't doing a great deal right now I thought I put in
a little plug for our beloved Kolb line. I think if anyone ever needs to know
if TNK Company is a good company to deal with, there is certainly a bunch written
here as testimony. My ramblings will be more about the plane line; Ultra,
Fire, MK. and the others.
I guess I'm not much different than any other man (I can't speak for the women),
in always looking at other planes, "eye candy". It seems like from day one after
acquiring the thing you couldn't live without, you see or hear of other better,
faster, cleaner, cheaper planes or what-have-you's. It never fails, then
being a man, you look , like, desire, need , demand and then posses. that's
our make-up.
Here I am after 11 flights in m Firestar and still looking on Barnstormers for
that ...."God only knows what". I mean, after all, there isn't any way on Gods
green earth that I know half the things this Kolb can do, or me with it. And
I haven't been able to "wean" myself from that site. Every day, like getting
up, I go look there for, again "God Knows what".
But yesterday was different, and this morning I did pretty good. I didn't visit
Branstormers until late mid afternoon. Why, a few more weeks of this persistence,
and continued sessions with my phicitrist, and I won't even remember what
the name of that site was. Also yesterday, I took my camera with me. I took 10
or 12 (large 1 meg ) pictures of the area around my field, as I ventured out
past the point where a man should fall off the edge of the earth, 5 to 7 miles
range. Like a new Eaglet booted out of the nest, I flapped and flapped and grew
ever increasingly more confident of my new ability to fly and "remember "
where the field was. I still remember the first 3 or 4 times up for instructions,
I lost the field every time, and all we were doing in retrospect was making
a square circle!
Now I'm up with stick in hand throttle at 5400 RPM, flying level and straight in
attitude. Hit the"on" button, wait for the lens to pop out and aim. Now something
advertised in the Kolb catalog that I read time and time again, but didn't
recognize that it would be a rarity in most planes. Ready? Are you on the edge
of your seat sweating in great wonder if he will ever tell?
"GREAT VISIBILITY" the advertisement says for Firefly, Firestar, Kolbra, Mark III
Classic, Mark III Extra and Slingshot! Now I understand something about flying
that I didn't even consider before, because I expected it in any airplane....Great
Visibility! I could take a picture for others from most any angle in
the plane, but for me the pilot (driver to the ultra light people), "I HAVE great
visibility. I think that make the Kolb line of planes the premium line. Enclosed
yet open. What a feeling, It wasn't anywhere that good in the Challenger,
and most assuredly not that good in a Cessna anything. What a view. If only
the world knew our little secret, everyone would be flying. Can you remember
finding that great little restaurant, with the great service, food and prices.
Your own little secret. Well do you? And what did you do? You went and told
all your friends! Now they make you take a number, pay high prices and slow service.
Therefore...DO NOT TELL ANYONE HOW MUCH YOU LIKE FLYING! But if you slip
and do tell your most intimate friends, tell them only in a Kolb!
I can see Everybodys house from up here, in Ohio, Ralph
Do not archive the ramblings of an old man!
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| Subject: | Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin |
& de--"
having to reach around for the choke sounds like a real bummer.>>
Hi,
I suppose I am just not in the groove enough yet to do it all
automatically. I have a Jabiru fitted and the choke is just above my
right shoulder. Mag switches and starter are in front but trying to hold
the stick back, hold the throttle closed and still have ahand left to
press the starter is tricky.
It is no doubt all a matter of knack which becomes second nature after a
doing it a few times.
Maybe a bit more tension to hold the throttle closed would have
sufficed. We learn.
They say experience is the best teacher, but like all good teachers they
are expensive
Cheers
Pat
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Am I the only one seeing spam on the list? (Barclay's Bank, etc.)
Or is pervasive?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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looks like it is on a lot of groups, i got 8-10 of em.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 6:28 PM
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> Or is pervasive?
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> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" |
Kinda reminds me of a friend talking to me while I was still taking
flying lessons. He said something to the effect that flying was a tough
sport, cause 1st you get the test.........then the lesson. 'Tis Truth,
and scary sometimes. Lar. Do not
Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: pat ladd
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's
parlance, "riggin & de--"
having to reach around for the choke sounds like a real bummer.>>
Hi,
I suppose I am just not in the groove enough yet to do it all
automatically. I have a Jabiru fitted and the choke is just above my
right shoulder. Mag switches and starter are in front but trying to hold
the stick back, hold the throttle closed and still have ahand left to
press the starter is tricky.
It is no doubt all a matter of knack which becomes second nature after
a doing it a few times.
Maybe a bit more tension to hold the throttle closed would have
sufficed. We learn.
They say experience is the best teacher, but like all good teachers
they are expensive
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
LOTS of other spam, but haven't seen any here............yet. Knock wood.
Do not Archive.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:28 PM
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
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> Am I the only one seeing spam on the list? (Barclay's Bank, etc.)
> Or is pervasive?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 07:28 PM 7/26/06 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
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>Am I the only one seeing spam on the list? (Barclay's Bank, etc.)
>Or is pervasive?
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>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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No!
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Your not Alone! Vic
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I must have deleted at least 10 barclay's spams today, including a kolb
ID.
-BB
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On 26, Jul 2006, at 7:28 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
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> Am I the only one seeing spam on the list? (Barclay's Bank, etc.)
> Or is pervasive?
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> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
Got no Baclays, but do get a-don't-refuse-this-offer for penny gold
stocks once a month. And some kinda msg in Chinese characters, fer what?
Verizon is pretty good abt spam/scam.
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin |
& de--"
John B in Baton Rouge --
Thanx amusing post. Calling it rig or fold doesn't change anything
but may make some folk feel better --
I was told at the TNK factory that one chap 'unfolds" in 6 minutes!
-- that's a goal for me.
Pat's British Stiff Upper Lip I'm sure will do him well -- I'd hate
for the Kolb list to lose a winner like he --
BR is a great town, many pleasant memories for me -- including a
coonass or two --
Keep the ball-peen at the ready; you never know what (or who) may
show up --
Best,
Russ in CT
PS didn't you misspell "thang"?
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On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Jbowaaf@wmconnect.com wrote:
> dear "wobblin" in ohio, bro "azdave"... & to all who've responded
> with such verve, wit, & helpful insight. that's exactly what i was
> hoping to learn... the real skinny on -- "to derig or not to
> derig" . sorry, but i prefer the mother tongue here; something a
> lil unnerving about the word "folding" in this context. know what i
> mean? besides i can wear my ascot while engaged in the former; with
> the latter, a brs seems more appropriate....eh wot!!. pat, i hope
> all this merriment & good humor have not added to ur funk....
> rather, it has gotten a smile or 2 out'n u and that u'r now hard at
> repair, or as we coonasses do when making delicate adjustments to
> recalcitrant machinery, "taking ur ball peen to the thing".
>
> on a more sombre note, that having to reach around for the choke
> sounds like a real bummer. that's true for which engines i wonder.
> was that most challenging contortion part of the singer, john
> denver's passing in his homebuilt (he, trying to reach a fuel
> handle)??? just glad u'r ok. john bowman in baton rouge
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| Subject: | Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin |
& de--"
Read that 'priceless'!
> do not archive
On Jul 26, 2006, at 4:42 PM, pat ladd wrote:
> having to reach around for the choke sounds like a real bummer.>>
>
> Hi,
> I suppose I am just not in the groove enough yet to do it all
> automatically. I have a Jabiru fitted and the choke is just above
> my right shoulder. Mag switches and starter are in front but trying
> to hold the stick back, hold the throttle closed and still have
> ahand left to press the starter is tricky.
> It is no doubt all a matter of knack which becomes second nature
> after a doing it a few times.
> Maybe a bit more tension to hold the throttle closed would have
> sufficed. We learn.
>
> They say experience is the best teacher, but like all good teachers
> they are expensive
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly W/ bigger tank |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
Ed, I also have a 10gal tank on my FF. I flew it initially with the 5gal tank
and after installing the 10gal tank I couldn't tell any difference in the way
it handled. It's pretty much right under the CG, so it didn't cause any undesired
changes in handling. I carry another 2 gals in the aft V.... no problem.
Go for it!
--------
Jim Hefner
Tucson, AZ
Firefly #022 447, 2 blade IVO, BRS-750
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50064#50064
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| Subject: | Re: Pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" |
At 07:53 PM 7/26/2006, you wrote:
>Kinda reminds me of a friend talking to me while I was still taking
>flying lessons. He said something to the effect that flying was a
>tough sport, cause 1st you get the test.........then the
>lesson. 'Tis Truth, and scary
>sometimes. Lar. Do not Archive.
Sometimes it's tough just "getting" to the plane on a hot day.
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