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1. 02:04 AM - Mark 3 seats (pat ladd)
2. 02:31 AM - Re: Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" (pat ladd)
3. 04:53 AM - Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season (David Key)
4. 05:41 AM - Re: Kolb to burn (Kirk Smith)
5. 06:01 AM - Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season (Larry Bourne)
6. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Kolb to burn (robert bean)
7. 06:27 AM - Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season (Thom Riddle)
8. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Kolb to burn (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
9. 07:42 AM - Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
10. 07:42 AM - Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season (N111KX (Kip))
11. 08:05 AM - Re: Firefly seats ()
12. 08:21 AM - Re: Firefly seats (Richard Pike)
13. 08:27 AM - Re: Firefly seats (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
14. 08:29 AM - Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
15. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Kolb to burn (Richard Girard)
16. 09:00 AM - Control positioning during ground handling (Richard Girard)
17. 09:01 AM - Seat for a Firefly (Jimmy)
18. 11:06 AM - Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season (pat ladd)
19. 11:20 AM - Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" (Thom Riddle)
20. 11:30 AM - Re: Control positioning during ground handling (russ kinne)
21. 12:38 PM - Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season (Larry Cottrell)
22. 12:53 PM - Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season (FlyColt45@aol.com)
23. 01:34 PM - Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season (Bob Noyer)
24. 01:34 PM - Re: Control positioning during ground handling (planecrazzzy)
25. 02:27 PM - Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season (David Key)
26. 03:24 PM - FW: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season (Kolbdriver)
27. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Kolb to burn (ron wehba)
28. 06:39 PM - Re: Re: Control positioning during ground handling (LEE CREECH)
29. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Control positioning during ground handling (Jack B. Hart)
30. 08:16 PM - Re: Re: Control positioning during ground handling (Bob Noyer)
31. 09:55 PM - Re: Re: Control positioning during ground handling (APilot@webtv.net)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I made aluminum seats with cushions in lieu of the sling seats..>>
Hi,
sling seats are not approved in the UK due to the possibilty of spinal
injuries in a prang. Metal seats with cushions only.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin |
& de--"
Hi Rick
<The stick doesn't need to be touched unless it is windy and if you
start it facing into the wind you can still let go of the stick>>
Sorry I dont agree with that. I was taught that in a tail dragger you
hold the stick back and the propwash holds the tail on the ground and
that seems logical.
<<. I would assume you have one switch that controls the starter and
mags, if not maybe you should?>>
No. I have a master switch, which isolates the battery, a switch for
each mag, (how else do you check the mag drop?) and a starter button.
All grouped together at the bottom of the console.
<<The choke can be reached if you practice without turning in your
seat.>>
Yes, it can and I will practice. I will. I will, and I wont carry my
credit card wallet in my left hip pocket.
Thanks for your comments
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Kolb to be burned at end of flying season |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Tell him to get out of the plane before he starts the fire.
>From: Bill Czygan <bczygan@yahoo.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season
>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:11:08 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Listers,
> I have met a gentleman who has a Kolb, I believe it is a Firestar. He
>is a longtime UL pilot who is disgusted with SP, tired of flying alone as
>the only UL pilot in his area, and has another hobby to replace flying. He
>is wary of other peoples intentions and afraid of the liability of selling
>the aircraft. He has decided that burning the aircraft at the end of this
>flying season is the best course of action. Now, obviously I can not, and
>will not reveal his name to protect his anonymity, but I need well reasoned
>and heartfelt entreaties to help him find a better way out of his
>difficulties. I am not a Kolb owner but see this as a needless waste. Any
>suggestions?
>
> Bill Czygan
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to burn |
I'd suggest taking the aluminum to a recycling depot and bagging up the
fabric in garbage bags as he could run into some governmental problems
if he burns it because of the toxic fumes it gives off during the
burning.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Naw, tell the idiot to stay in it. (joke) It won't burn anyway, if it's
covered with Stits. Lar. Do not
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 4:51 AM
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>
> Tell him to get out of the plane before he starts the fire.
>
>
>>From: Bill Czygan <bczygan@yahoo.com>
>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season
>>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:11:08 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>Listers,
>> I have met a gentleman who has a Kolb, I believe it is a Firestar. He
>> is a longtime UL pilot who is disgusted with SP, tired of flying alone as
>> the only UL pilot in his area, and has another hobby to replace flying.
>> He is wary of other peoples intentions and afraid of the liability of
>> selling the aircraft. He has decided that burning the aircraft at the end
>> of
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to burn |
Some humorist on the list once suggested that when selling a plane
you may have built, having the purchaser sign a sheet acknowledging
to this effect:
This assemblage of parts, if reassembled or reused, is of inferior
construction,
and guaranteed to fail, and or self-destruct if used in any attempt to
fly.
-signed, (purchaser)
BB
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On 28, Jul 2006, at 8:40 AM, Kirk Smith wrote:
> I'd suggest taking the aluminum to a-recycling depot and bagging up
> the fabric in garbage bags as he could run into some governmental
> problems if he burns it because of the toxic fumes it gives off during
> the burning.
> -
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Bill,
Is the guy you refer to the builder? Based on your statements, I assume
it is not n-numbered. If he is not the builder, what is he worried
about?
If I were paranoid like him, I would probably take off some major
component (engine, wings, etc.) and sell it separately from the rest of
it. It is not a flying airplane then. Or he could donate it as a
collection of parts to an EAA chapter that wants/needs a project. If
that is not good enough, then rip some holes in the wing fabric so it
must be recovered by its new owner.
Please don't let him destroy the airplane.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to burn |
Bob
I heard a variation on that idea. You get the purchaser to sign a
guarantee that it will crash and kill anyone on board and if it doesn't
it can be returned.
The problem is that you as the original builder are liable no matter how
many times it is sold.
I sold a Weed Hopper twenty years ago that I built. From time to time I
hear from new owners. I don't know how they know about me but this is
scary.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: robert bean
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb to burn
Some humorist on the list once suggested that when selling a plane
you may have built, having the purchaser sign a sheet acknowledging
to this effect:
This assemblage of parts, if reassembled or reused, is of inferior
construction,
and guaranteed to fail, and or self-destruct if used in any attempt to
fly.
-signed, (purchaser)
BB
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season |
--> Kolb list posted by : " Stephen Baxley " flycrazy8@aol.com
Heck guys ! Give us his address... tell him to fold the wings up and leave
it beside the road and it will like magic disappear over night :-)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Naw, tell the idiot to stay in it. (joke) It won't burn anyway, if it's
covered with Stits. Lar. Do not
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 4:51 AM
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>
> Tell him to get out of the plane before he starts the fire.
>
>
>>From: Bill Czygan <bczygan@yahoo.com>
>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season
>>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:11:08 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>Listers,
>> I have met a gentleman who has a Kolb, I believe it is a Firestar. He
>> is a longtime UL pilot who is disgusted with SP, tired of flying alone as
>> the only UL pilot in his area, and has another hobby to replace flying.
>> He is wary of other peoples intentions and afraid of the liability of
>> selling the aircraft. He has decided that burning the aircraft is the
answer.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx@mindspring.com>
There are a bunch of museums that would love to have it. Problem solved with dignity
to boot...
Kip
--------
Kip
Firestar II (born September 2000)
Atlanta, GA
N111KX
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly seats |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <jeepacro@cox.net>
Does anyone have pictures of a different seat design for the Firefly?
--
Rob.
---- pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
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> I made aluminum seats with cushions in lieu of the sling seats..>>
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> Hi,
> sling seats are not approved in the UK due to the possibilty of spinal
> injuries in a prang. Metal seats with cushions only.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly seats |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Here's one for the FSII, don't know if it will help...
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSII%20seat%20page.html
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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jeepacro@cox.net wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <jeepacro@cox.net>
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> Does anyone have pictures of a different seat design for the Firefly?
> --
> Rob.
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> ---- pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
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>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
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>> I made aluminum seats with cushions in lieu of the sling seats..>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> sling seats are not approved in the UK due to the possibilty of spinal
>> injuries in a prang. Metal seats with cushions only.
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>> Cheers
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>> Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly seats |
You can make one like the one I made for my firestar and have it covered and
I have memory foam inside it also now I can fly all day without any problems
Ellery in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season |
>He is wary of other peoples intentions and afraid of the liability of
selling the aircraft. He has decided that burning the aircraft at >the
end of this flying season is the best course of action.
There is one guy in our club who also told me he was going to burn his
aircraft because he was afraid of the liability if he sold it. I
couldn't believe he was actually serious. Now here's someone else who
is saying the same thing.
HUMBLE OPINION:
It seems to me that this is a whole lot unrealistic. Yes, there are a
lot of lawyers out there waiting for a chance to sue and a lot of people
who look at any kind of accident as potentially hitting the lottery.
But think about it. If some precautions are taken, then the chance of
getting sued is pretty slim. If you sell the "bird" with some kind of
agreement that makes sense and that the buyer and his/her heirs forever
"hold harmless" and if it is sold as an incomplete kit, then that causes
problems for the "suer" or whatever the hell they're called. (Even
ripping holes in the wing as Thom says would probably help.)
Consider these points: First, there has to be an accident and the
person who has the accident has to want to sue (we've all had
"accidents" of some kind - did we sue?). Second, in some way (and I
know the point is stretched) it has to be shown that it is the builder's
(or sellers) fault. Third, the lawyer has to somehow overcome the "hold
harmless" agreements that were signed. Fourth, the lawyer has to
overcome the "sold as a kit" thingy. Fifth, if this was such a concern,
then how come you can go to Barnstormers and ultralighthomepage.com and
find hundreds of ultralights for sale? I've never heard of any builder
being sued, has anyone??? And if this is so much of a liability, then
it would seem to me that Kolb, Quicksilver, etc., would be sued every
time one of their planes go down. (Don't get any ideas Pat.)
Finally, it's wise to have a liability "umbrella" policy for about $1
mil. Doesn't cost much. And finally #2, if he's that worried about
being sued, then what the hell is he doing driving a car? Seems to me
he's much more at risk driving a car than selling a collection of parts.
(No these arguments didn't work with the guy in our club - but he
hasn't burned his airplane yet.)
....And I'm not a lawyer, this is just my humble opinion.
AzDave
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to burn |
As the lawyer who advised me when I was running hang gliding meets told me,
you can have the participants sign anything you like, but they can't sign
away the rights of their survivors.
On 7/28/06, Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Bob
>
> I heard a variation on that idea. You get the purchaser to sign a
> guarantee that it will crash and kill anyone on board and if it doesn't it
> can be returned.
>
> The problem is that you as the original builder are liable no matter how
> many times it is sold.
>
> I sold a Weed Hopper twenty years ago that I built. From time to time I
> hear from new owners. I don't know how they know about me but this is scary.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2006 9:04 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb to burn
>
> Some humorist on the list once suggested that when selling a plane
> you may have built, having the purchaser sign a sheet acknowledging
> to this effect:
> This assemblage of parts, if reassembled or reused, is of inferior
> construction,
> and guaranteed to fail, and or self-destruct if used in any attempt to
> fly.
> -signed, (purchaser)
> BB
>
>
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Control positioning during ground handling |
I've been having a discussion off list with another Kolb flyer about control
positioning while taxing. I remarked that I never taxi without the stick
full forward and the ailerons set to "dive away from the wind" in a cross
and down wind condition. He does the opposite, but hadn't really given it
much thought, and suggested bringing the discussion to the list for a
general poll.
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Seat for a Firefly |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy" <jhankin@planters.net>
> Does anyone have pictures of a different seat design for the Firefly?
I also have a Firefly that I would like to make a seat for.
Jimmy Hankinson
912-863-7384
Firefly 035
JYL (Sylvania)
Pegasus Field (Home)
2000 Feet X 100 Feet- Grass
Rocky Ford, Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season |
would seem to me that Kolb, Quicksilver, etc., would be sued every time
one of their planes go down. (Don't get any ideas Pat.) >>
Hi Dave,
I was thinking of sueing the idiot who built the barn in such a stupid
place. It was obvious that a plane would run into it!
Cheers
Pat
Signing off for a week as I am off to College summer school.
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| Subject: | Re: kolB- "WING FOLDING" (or in pat's parlance, "riggin & de--" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Pat,
It is common in the USA to have a single switch that has the following positions.
OFF (Master Off, both mags off)
Left (master on, left mag on, right off)
Right (master on, right mag on, left off)
Both (master on, both mags on)
Start (master on, engage starter) momentary contact
On our Allegro, I was introduced to the European standard (common use) that has
a Master Switch with On and Off positions and two separate Mag switches each
with an on and off position and a Guard to keep from inadvertently switch them
off or on. It took me a while to get used to that but I now like it much better
than the American way and it is really a lot simpler and easier to diagnose
wiring problems.
--------
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Control positioning during ground handling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Rick
When I was in training my CFI told me "Stick all the way back all the
time you're on the ground'
So I did.
Until in a strong gusty wind, taxiing after landing, a gust hit me
and suddenly I was 5 feet in the air and rapidly going over
backwards! -- (Cessna 170) an attention-getter to be sure. I caught
it, no damage, but then realized that was very poor advice
Stick should be FORWARD in any kind of headwind -- then a gust will
simply lif the tail.
It's a simple concept -- put the stick INTO the wind if it's from the
front, and AWAY from the wind if it's from anywhere aft. It positions
the aelirons correctly too, to avoid lifting a wing.
This will keep you out of trouble. This kind of trouble, anyway.
Russ Kinne
On Jul 28, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> I've been having a discussion off list with another Kolb flyer
> about control positioning while taxing. I remarked that I never
> taxi without the stick full forward and the ailerons set to "dive
> away from the wind" in a cross and down wind condition. He does the
> opposite, but hadn't really given it much thought, and suggested
> bringing the discussion to the list for a general poll.
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season |
You can't fix stupid!
Larry, Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Czygan
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:11 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season
Listers,
I have met a gentleman who has a Kolb, I believe it is a Firestar.
He is a longtime UL pilot who is disgusted with SP, tired of flying
alone as the only UL pilot in his area, and has another hobby to replace
flying. He is wary of other peoples intentions and afraid of the
liability of selling the aircraft. He has decided that burning the
aircraft at the end of this flying season is the best course of action.
Now, obviously I can not, and will not reveal his name to protect his
anonymity, but I need well reasoned and heartfelt entreaties to help him
find a better way out of his difficulties. I am not a Kolb owner but see
this as a needless waste. Any suggestions?
Bill Czygan
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season |
Bill & all,
My 2 cents:
I know of an instance where a gentleman got to the end of his flying days
and didn't want to sell his Kolb for fear of liability. He donated it to Homer
Kolb. It is in like new condition, never again flown - and hanging in the
Kolb Co hanger for all to see, along side other models of the past.
Jim Cote
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
At my semi-advanced age, one tends to consider The Final Approach.
Here's scenario: find a buddy who will donate about 6" off the ends
of one of his deer head's horns. Epoxy them to yer flight helmet.
Take a coupla good belts (no, not seat belts!) and launch out inta
The Blue. Do all the crazy stuff you've always wanted to do, but were
afraid. See how low you can fly inverted, do a coupla Down Wind
Turns, etc. Now squirm around, take off gas cap, wait for a stream of
fuel, then Light Off, You'll be the Viking God, going out in a blaze
of Glory to Valhalla!
Probably make the evening papers.
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Control positioning during ground handling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Here's a "saying" that I was taught and it's easy to remember....
Wind Behind - "Blows the stick"
Headwind - "Pull back , stick into wind"
This was a GREAT "saying" for "ME" , otherwise I had to think about it too
much.....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
PS "saying" was told to me by a long time Pilot & instructor at Stanton
Airport, His name is Hank... ( he's got a Purty Cub )
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to be burned at end of flying season |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
you could also "ghost ride" it, like when we'd jump off our bikes and see
how far they would go without a driver.
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| Subject: | Kolb to be burned at end of flying season |
Dave,
I much prefer humble opinions than a lawyer's opinion any day!!!
Mike
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave & Eve
Pelletier
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:29 AM
>He is wary of other peoples intentions and afraid of the liability of
selling the aircraft. He has decided that burning the aircraft at >the end
of this flying season is the best course of action.
There is one guy in our club who also told me he was going to burn his
aircraft because he was afraid of the liability if he sold it. I couldn't
believe he was actually serious. Now here's someone else who is saying the
same thing.
HUMBLE OPINION:
It seems to me that this is a whole lot unrealistic. Yes, there are a lot
of lawyers out there waiting for a chance to sue and a lot of people who
look at any kind of accident as potentially hitting the lottery. But think
about it. If some precautions are taken, then the chance of getting sued is
pretty slim. If you sell the "bird" with some kind of agreement that makes
sense and that the buyer and his/her heirs forever "hold harmless" and if it
is sold as an incomplete kit, then that causes problems for the "suer" or
whatever the hell they're called. (Even ripping holes in the wing as Thom
says would probably help.)
Consider these points: First, there has to be an accident and the person
who has the accident has to want to sue (we've all had "accidents" of some
kind - did we sue?). Second, in some way (and I know the point is
stretched) it has to be shown that it is the builder's (or sellers) fault.
Third, the lawyer has to somehow overcome the "hold harmless" agreements
that were signed. Fourth, the lawyer has to overcome the "sold as a kit"
thingy. Fifth, if this was such a concern, then how come you can go to
Barnstormers and ultralighthomepage.com and find hundreds of ultralights for
sale? I've never heard of any builder being sued, has anyone??? And if
this is so much of a liability, then it would seem to me that Kolb,
Quicksilver, etc., would be sued every time one of their planes go down.
(Don't get any ideas Pat.)
Finally, it's wise to have a liability "umbrella" policy for about $1 mil.
Doesn't cost much. And finally #2, if he's that worried about being sued,
then what the hell is he doing driving a car? Seems to me he's much more at
risk driving a car than selling a collection of parts. (No these arguments
didn't work with the guy in our club - but he hasn't burned his airplane
yet.)
....And I'm not a lawyer, this is just my humble opinion.
AzDave
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb to burn |
yea recycle the aluminum beer cans here are .62 cents a pound
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Smith
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:40 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb to burn
I'd suggest taking the aluminum to a recycling depot and bagging up
the fabric in garbage bags as he could run into some governmental
problems if he burns it because of the toxic fumes it gives off during
the burning.
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| Subject: | Re: Control positioning during ground handling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "LEE CREECH" <dcreech3@hotmail.com>
Or: "CLIMB TOWARD THE WIND; DIVE AWAY FROM IT." Putting this mantra into
effect will result in best positioning of both elevator and ailerons. For
practice, it's an interesting exercise to taxi in a circle while maintaining
the proper stick position all the way around. For example, if you start
with a quartering left headwind, the stick will be in the left rear corner
(you're "climbing toward" the wind.) As you turn to the left, the stick
moves laterally to the right and ends up in the right rear corner, as the
relative wind moves across the nose to the right. As you continue the turn,
the stick then moves on a diagonal, through the center position as the wind
crosses the beam, reaching the forward left corner as the wind becomes a
quartering right tailwind. (You're "diving away" from the wind now).
Continuing the turn, the stick moves sideways to the forward right corner as
the wind reaches the left side of the tail, and then finally back on the
opposite diagonal as the wind comes around the wingtip to the left side of
the nose again. So the stick pattern is an "X" connected by sideways
movements at the top and bottom. A little hard to describe, but easy to
visualize and remember once you've done it.
Of course, no Kolb driver ever forgets the special significance of the
relationship between elevator and throttle position! :)
Lee
Firestar II
>From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Control positioning during ground handling
>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:33:16 -0700
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
>Here's a "saying" that I was taught and it's easy to remember....
>
> Wind Behind - "Blows the stick"
>
>Headwind - "Pull back , stick into wind"
>
> This was a GREAT "saying" for "ME" , otherwise I had to think about it
>too
>much.....
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
>PS "saying" was told to me by a long time Pilot & instructor at Stanton
>Airport, His name is Hank... ( he's got a Purty Cub )
>
>--------
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>.
>.
>.
>.
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>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50397#50397
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control positioning during ground handling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Kolbers,
Place a little yarn on the windshield so you are not surprised by wind
direction. Always hold the stick into the wind. If the wind is from the
left, hold the stick to the left to side slip into the wind. If the wind is
from the front, hold the stick to the front to prevent climbing. If the
wind is from the tail hold the stick back to prevent the wind from raising
the tail. And use combinations for quartering winds.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Control positioning during ground handling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
Looking at an old '53 Cessna 172 Pilots' Handbook, I see the exact
stick procedure that is presented in these mgs. As I was taught in
'40, use the stick like a potato masher: mash it around in all four
quadrants, according to the wind's direction vs plane.
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Control positioning during ground handling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: APilot@webtv.net
So far, I have not found fault in anything that Wolfgang mentioned in
his classic book "Stick and Rudder". Have always tried to put the yoke
or stick where he recommends in all kinds of wind situations. Works
every time......so far. One thing that I have noticed is that some
pilots do not understand the yaw control offered by the ailerons when
the wheels are on the ground. The early Kitfoxes had smaller rudders
and the factory went to bigger rudders rather than trying to educate all
of the various pilots of the advantages of proper aileron control when
the rudder does not do the job.
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