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1. 03:59 AM - Re: S.P. Practical Test (pat ladd)
2. 04:44 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 08/19/06 (BSERBJR@aol.com)
3. 06:28 AM - 42 Practical test standards (Lanny Fetterman)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: a question (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
5. 10:03 AM - Re: a question (robert bean)
6. 10:09 AM - Re: a question (BOB BROCKMAN)
7. 10:37 AM - Re: a question (BOB BROCKMAN)
8. 10:41 AM - Re: a question (BOB BROCKMAN)
9. 10:51 AM - Re: S.P. Practical Test (Richard Girard)
10. 10:56 AM - Re: a question (John Hauck)
11. 10:59 AM - Re: a question (Richard Girard)
12. 01:07 PM - Re: S.P. Practical Test (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
13. 01:47 PM - Re: a question (The BaronVonEvil)
14. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: a question (John Hauck)
15. 02:17 PM - Re: Spark Plugs (Larry Rice)
16. 02:33 PM - Re: a question (Richard Pike)
17. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: a question (Robert Laird)
18. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: a question (David Key)
19. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: a question (BOB BROCKMAN)
20. 05:36 PM - Re: S.P. Practical Test (George Bass)
21. 06:19 PM - forward slip in Firestar (Thom Riddle)
22. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: a question (David Key)
23. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: a question ()
24. 08:54 PM - Re: a question (Ed Chmielewski)
25. 09:22 PM - Re: a question (Ed Chmielewski)
26. 09:42 PM - Re: a question (Larry Cottrell)
27. 09:47 PM - Re: Re: a question (APilot@webtv.net)
28. 10:42 PM - Re: a question (Ed Chmielewski)
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| Subject: | Re: S.P. Practical Test |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
As it is an open book test I spent a lot of time finding the answers in the
FAR`S.>>
Hi ,
it sounds as though the test was pretty thorough and I am glad I shall not
have to take it.
However, is it really a useful test if you are allowed to look up the
answers? In the cockpit you have to KNOW the answer, now, if say you have
to divert and the field you need is in controlled airspace of some sort.
It seems on the face of it further easement of exam standards which started
with the introduction of multi choice answers which gave the examinee a one
in three chance of being correct even if they had no idea at all.
What do others think?
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 08/19/06 |
>From Bob _Erb-bserbjr@aol.com_ (mailto:Erb-bserbjr@aol.com)
Subject- Sport pilot test
I have built and am flying a Firestar II with a Rotax 503. I have been
preparing for the Sport pilot exam and feel comfortable with all the maneuvers
except the forward slip to a landing.
Is it possible to perform this maneuver the correct way in a Firestar? Every
time I try it, the plane turns in the direction of the aileron input, the
nose wants to come up, not enough down to push the nose down and the plane
makes a funny noise like the ailerons are fluttering but they are not. There does
not seem to be enough rudder authority to straighten the flight path. Any
ideas as to what I am doing wrong or should I tell the examiner the plane is
not designed to do forward slips. I have recently had 15 hours of flight
training in a Champ in preparation for the exam and I have no problems Forward
slipping that plane. Thanks for the help-Bob
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| Subject: | 42 Practical test standards |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
Pat and all, I was tested on 42 standards during the oral segment of the
test. Airspace was only one standard that I was required to know and
understand. I was told that I must score 100% on the oral part of the test,
that one wrong answer would fail me. ( I don`t know if that is an FAA rule
or a rule that my examiner developed on his own, but that was the gun I was
under.) While I felt I knew most of the answers, I was not going to risk a
failure by giving a wrong answer. So I referred to the FARS. better safe
than sorry!
I studied more for this test then any test in my entire life, including my
college days. The Federal Aviation Regulations/ Aeronautical Information
Manual has 1004 pages of information in it. How can any human being be
expected to commit that much information to memory? "Easement of the exam
standards" I don`t know because this is the only FAA rating test I have
ever taken. Flying is a hobby for me, not a vocation. On that premise, I
feel this test was difficult enough, and I learned plenty in the process.
Did I learn everything contained in the FARS, hardly.
Pat, when you have time, would you please post a brief review of the test
you took. that you are comparing to the S.P. test, I would be interested in
the differences.
P.S. I love my FSII, however I took the flight test in a Skyboy. What an
aircraft that is! There might be something good behind the doors opened by
getting the SP rating. Lanny Fetterman FSII N598LF
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Bob
The Ferguson is a rip-off of the Kolb design. There was no compensation
or recognition for the ideas stolen from Kolb in the design of the
Ferguson.
As such that plane is considered a F word on this list. Please don't ask
about that plane on this list.
If you would like to ask about a Kolb we would be happy to answer any
questions you have.
do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: BOB BROCKMAN
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:13 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: a question
Being a new guy, my question is concerning an aircraft similar to a
Kolb.
Can anyone tell me about an airplane called the Ferguson FX -4-2?
I would appreciate any comments regarding the aircraft.
thanks,
bob
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Rick, although there are obvious similarities between makes, I have to
respectfully
disagree on some points. #1 are the myriad pushers out there that went
for a
single boom tail. #2 is the interesting carry-through of the tail boom
for a cage
support. #3 is the very well streamlined cabin wall design.
I also like the less radical airfoil.
On the minus side it appears to be less well braced in the cage area
which is
a biggie for me.
How many airplanes look pretty much the same as a Piper Cherokee?
Most of the new LSA aircraft have the look of close relatives.
I would give any purchase a close inspection and vote with my
wallet. A big edge for TNK is an honest, safe product, good support
and the realistic probability of being around for a while.
BB do not archive
On 20, Aug 2006, at 10:47 AM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
> Bob
> -
> The Ferguson is a rip-off of the Kolb design. There was no
> compensation or recognition for the ideas stolen from Kolb in the
> design of the Ferguson.
> As such that plane is considered a F word on this list. Please don't
> ask about that plane on this list.
> -
> If you would like to-ask about a-Kolb we would be happy to answer
any
> questions you have.
> -
> do not archive
> -
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc--
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: BOB BROCKMAN
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:13 AM
>> Subject: Kolb-List: a question
>>
>> Being a new guy, my question is concerning an aircraft similar to a
>> Kolb.
>> Can anyone tell me about an airplane called the Ferguson FX -4-2?
>> I would appreciate any comments regarding the aircraft.
>> -
>> thanks,
>> -
>> bob
>>
>>
>> s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
The question is,
When is the Kolb going to get a nose wheel. Just don't have a heart attack!
bob
>From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:47:45 -0400
>
>Bob
>
>The Ferguson is a rip-off of the Kolb design. There was no compensation or
>recognition for the ideas stolen from Kolb in the design of the Ferguson.
>As such that plane is considered a F word on this list. Please don't ask
>about that plane on this list.
>
>If you would like to ask about a Kolb we would be happy to answer any
>questions you have.
>
>do not archive
>
>Rick Neilsen
>Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: BOB BROCKMAN
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:13 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: a question
>
>
> Being a new guy, my question is concerning an aircraft similar to a
>Kolb.
> Can anyone tell me about an airplane called the Ferguson FX -4-2?
> I would appreciate any comments regarding the aircraft.
>
> thanks,
>
> bob
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
I was not aware that there were certain questions that coludn't be asked. I
saw the article in the August 2006 issue of Ultralight Flying and wanted to
know how the two aicraft compare. The other people may have ripped of Kolb.
I don't know. Thats not the question.
I have read the information on this group for month's. Its good for the most
part but, when one person gets bent out of shape over a question....
You are entitled to you opinion.
bob
>From: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:08:48 -0400
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
>
>The question is,
>When is the Kolb going to get a nose wheel. Just don't have a heart attack!
>bob
>
>
>>From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
>>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:47:45 -0400
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>The Ferguson is a rip-off of the Kolb design. There was no compensation or
>>recognition for the ideas stolen from Kolb in the design of the Ferguson.
>>As such that plane is considered a F word on this list. Please don't ask
>>about that plane on this list.
>>
>>If you would like to ask about a Kolb we would be happy to answer any
>>questions you have.
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>Rick Neilsen
>>Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: BOB BROCKMAN
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:13 AM
>> Subject: Kolb-List: a question
>>
>>
>> Being a new guy, my question is concerning an aircraft similar to a
>>Kolb.
>> Can anyone tell me about an airplane called the Ferguson FX -4-2?
>> I would appreciate any comments regarding the aircraft.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> bob
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
Rick,
I appreciate your reply.
This is what I was looking for whne I asked the question. I like the Mark
III Extra very much but, saw the article and figured, I'd ask the question.
Thanks,
bob
>From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:02:43 -0400
>
>Rick, although there are obvious similarities between makes, I have to
>respectfully
>disagree on some points. #1 are the myriad pushers out there that went for
>a
>single boom tail. #2 is the interesting carry-through of the tail boom for
>a cage
>support. #3 is the very well streamlined cabin wall design.
>I also like the less radical airfoil.
>On the minus side it appears to be less well braced in the cage area which
>is
>a biggie for me.
>How many airplanes look pretty much the same as a Piper Cherokee?
>Most of the new LSA aircraft have the look of close relatives.
>I would give any purchase a close inspection and vote with my
>wallet. A big edge for TNK is an honest, safe product, good support
>and the realistic probability of being around for a while.
>BB do not archive
>
>On 20, Aug 2006, at 10:47 AM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
>
>>Bob
>>
>>The Ferguson is a rip-off of the Kolb design. There was no compensation or
>>recognition for the ideas stolen from Kolb in the design of the Ferguson.
>>As such that plane is considered a F word on this list. Please don't ask
>>about that plane on this list.
>>
>>If you would like toask about aKolb we would be happy to answer any
>>questions you have.
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>Rick Neilsen
>>Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: BOB BROCKMAN
>>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>>>Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:13 AM
>>>Subject: Kolb-List: a question
>>>
>>>Being a new guy, my question is concerning an aircraft similar to a Kolb.
>>>Can anyone tell me about an airplane called the Ferguson FX -4-2?
>>>I would appreciate any comments regarding the aircraft.
>>>
>>>thanks,
>>>
>>>bob
>>>
>>>
>>>s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: S.P. Practical Test |
Patt, I believe what the FAA is trying to address with the SP practical test
is the level of ignorance and misinformation common in the ultralight
community. From what I gather it is no more difficult than the test I took
for my PPL. In the example you give, the solution is not to be fumbling
about in the cockpit trying to look up FAR's, it is to plan your flight
before hand, so you know the airspace into which you venture.
On 8/20/06, pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> As it is an open book test I spent a lot of time finding the answers in
> the
> FAR`S.>>
>
> Hi ,
> it sounds as though the test was pretty thorough and I am glad I shall not
> have to take it.
>
> However, is it really a useful test if you are allowed to look up the
> answers? In the cockpit you have to KNOW the answer, now, if say you have
> to divert and the field you need is in controlled airspace of some sort.
>
> It seems on the face of it further easement of exam standards which
> started
> with the introduction of multi choice answers which gave the examinee a
> one
> in three chance of being correct even if they had no idea at all.
>
> What do others think?
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
> --
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Rick, although there are obvious similarities between makes, I have to
respectfully
disagree on some points. #1 are the myriad pushers out there that
went
for a
single boom tail.
BB
Bob B/Gang:
Bill Ferguson, designer of the Ferguson aircraft, showed up at Sun and
Fun 1991, with an airplane he called the Ferguson or Fergy.
Looked a lot like the mkIII kit he purchased from Homer Kolb with the
exception of wings and changes to the main fuselage cage. From the
tip of the tailboom to the tip of the rudder, the Fergy looked exactly
like the mkIII Homer Kolb had on display at S&F 2001. Ferguson had
not bothered to change the tail boom and tail section. Rather than
call this a Ferguson modified Kolb mkIII, Ferguson took credit for the
entire airplane. This troubled Homer Kolb tremendously. He and the
old Kolb crew had spent many hours and days designing a folding tail
section that is still being produced today by TNK.
Yes, I agree, a lot of airplanes look alike. But in this case, it
went much further than resembling a mkIII.
In my own opinion, the Fergy is not near the aircraft the mkIII is. I
base this on my own personal observations of many of Ferguson's
airplanes. However, my most convincing observation is the flight
history, or should I say the crash history of a close friend's two
Fergys. In both crashes, my friend was injured. In the second crash,
which occurred more than a year ago, my friend is still recuperating
from a near death crash which broke many bones in his body and the
body of the passenger.
First thing I look at in any airplane I plane to fly is crash
worthiness. The environment we fly is mighty unfriendly at times, and
no one is immune to gravity. I have survived several serious crashes
in Homer Kolb's airplanes. I have survived each of them with no
injury. Guess that's one of the reasons I feel more comfortable in my
mkIII than any of the other designs out there.
john h
mkIII
PS: Returned from Spring City, PA, last night. Had a great visit
with Homer and Clara. Also was treated to the flyin of local Kolbs
which has already been discussed on this List. It was my pleasure to
be able to visit with these great guys.
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Oh please, "don't ask that question"? If this forum isn't for the
dissemination of knowledge about Kolb aircraft or copies of it, what is its
use? I admit I sometimes wonder if it's actually for the rantings of pre
adolescent boys who haven't taken up masterbation yet, but that's just my
take. Bob, ask away, you'll soon learn who has knowledge to share and who
has crusty socks.
On 8/20/06, BOB BROCKMAN <packerbeagle@msn.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
>
> I was not aware that there were certain questions that coludn't be asked.
> I
> saw the article in the August 2006 issue of Ultralight Flying and wanted
> to
> know how the two aicraft compare. The other people may have ripped of
> Kolb.
> I don't know. Thats not the question.
> I have read the information on this group for month's. Its good for the
> most
> part but, when one person gets bent out of shape over a question....
> You are entitled to you opinion.
>
> bob
>
>
> >From: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
> >To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
> >Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:08:48 -0400
> >
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
> >
> >The question is,
> >When is the Kolb going to get a nose wheel. Just don't have a heart
> attack!
> >bob
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> >>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
> >>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:47:45 -0400
> >>
> >>Bob
> >>
> >>The Ferguson is a rip-off of the Kolb design. There was no compensation
> or
> >>recognition for the ideas stolen from Kolb in the design of the
> Ferguson.
> >>As such that plane is considered a F word on this list. Please don't ask
> >>about that plane on this list.
> >>
> >>If you would like to ask about a Kolb we would be happy to answer any
> >>questions you have.
> >>
> >>do not archive
> >>
> >>Rick Neilsen
> >>Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: BOB BROCKMAN
> >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:13 AM
> >> Subject: Kolb-List: a question
> >>
> >>
> >> Being a new guy, my question is concerning an aircraft similar to a
> >>Kolb.
> >> Can anyone tell me about an airplane called the Ferguson FX -4-2?
> >> I would appreciate any comments regarding the aircraft.
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >>
> >> bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: S.P. Practical Test |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Pat,
It kinda all depends on what is being tested as to whether or not it
should be open book.. It should mirror the "real world" so if the question
asks "what does a flashing red light mean?" then you shouldn't be allowed to
go to the book. But if the question asks "How much time do you have to
report an accident?" then you should since in the "real world" you'd have
time to look it up. I haven't taken my practical test yet - plan to within
the next month so I'll be better able to report on the oral then.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
>
> As it is an open book test I spent a lot of time finding the answers in
> the FAR`S.>>
>
> However, is it really a useful test if you are allowed to look up the
> answers? In the cockpit you have to KNOW the answer, now, if say you have
> to divert and the field you need is in controlled airspace of some sort.
> What do others think?
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "The BaronVonEvil" <grageda@innw.net>
Hi Bob,
The plane nearest a Kolb mk III with a nose wheel might be a Rans S-12 Airiale.
It is a capable aircraft and is also well supported by the folks at Rans. The S-12
also features a chrome moly steel cage in its structure.
I have flown one here locally and it seems to be well behaved. Not having flown
a Kolb Mk.III, I cannot offer a comparison.
Good Luck with your inquiries...
Best Regards
Carlos Grageda
Firestar II
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=55930#55930
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Rans. The S-12 also features a chrome moly steel cage in its
structure.
|
| Best Regards
| Carlos Grageda
| Firestar II
Carlos:
Best check out the Rans S-12 fuselage. I think you will find their
4130 fuselage is actually a 4130 tube shallow tub. Look closely and
you will see that all upright tubes are aluminum. Most of the
accident photos I have seen involving RANS S-12's results in this part
of the fuselage failing down and forward on top of the pilot and
passenger.
Having never flown an S-12, can not comment on its flying
characteristics.
However, I have heard some of the earlier Rans S12's had a problem
with empennage stability.
john h
mkIII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Larry Rice <rice@iapdatacom.net>
As I understand it, if you put on both the spark plug washer and the
ring for the CHT, there will be exposed threads at the bottom of the
tapped hole for the plug. If anyone ever puts in a plug without both,
the threads on the plug will hit the now carboned up threads in the
tapped hole. You can end up stripping out the tapped hole in the head,
or dump loose carbon chunks into the cylinder, neither of which is a
good thing. In addition, you reduce the heat lost to the head by the
plug, as there is less surface area in contact with the head, giving you
a hotter running plug with the strong possibility of detonation. Again,
not a good thing.
Larry the MicroMong guy
--
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
There is a good reason that Kolb's don't have a nose wheel: they don't need one.
I know, I checked. Here are a couple pictures I made this afternoon, went out
to the hangar and pulled the MKIII nosewheel assembly off the wall and took
a few pictures to convince the unbelievers.
I attached it to the underside of the nosebowl, and I used the same screws that
went through into the steel subframe and normally attach the nosebowl. Pitot
& static air stuck out the front, with extensions coming up through the nosebowl
to attach the lines to. Didn't steer, didn't figure it needed to, just wanted
it to track straight ahead.
I made this when I first built the MKIII, and mostly it was because I was using
a 532 that I was unsure of, out of a 750' airstrip. So when I got to the top
of the hill, I locked the brakes, began to advance the throttle, and gave it a
little forward stick. It obediently rocked up on the nosewheel, I went to full
throttle and let'er howl for about 25 seconds. Figured if she was gonna' blow,
give it a good chance to do it on the ground and not over the creek. Then release
the brakes, ease back on the stick, and I was off, having departed in a
tricycle gear MKIII.
After the engine got about twenty hours on it, I decided the engine was trustworthy
(or at least to the extent that a 532 is ever trustworthy) & took the nosegear
off.
I did miss the wise cracks though. "Is it a nose dragger or a tail dragger?" "I
dunno, I'm still trying to decide..., maybe a few more hours..."
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
I owned and flew an S12XL for over two years. The empennage issue was
addressed and for older models they have a retrofit fix.
The cage structure is probably not as strong as a Kolb... the pilot is
a lot more vulnerable in the RANS.
The S12XL flies wonderfully. If you fly it solo, you can get away
with a 503, but for 2-up, you'll need at least a 582, and a 912 would
be much, much better.
Compared to a Kolb MkIII, the overall mass of the S12XL feels heavier,
but the flight controls are about the same. The S12XL cockpit/seat
was a bit more comfortable than the Kolb I have, so I'm trying to
figure out how to improve that element.
I now own a MkIIIc with a 912S. If I had to have a tricycle gear
aircraft, it would definitely be the S12XL. But I have my tailwheel
endorsement and the Kolb, in my opinion, is a better aircraft, by just
a bit.
-- Robert
On 8/20/06, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> | It is a capable aircraft and is also well supported by the folks at
> Rans. The S-12 also features a chrome moly steel cage in its
> structure.
> |
>
> Carlos:
>
> Best check out the Rans S-12 fuselage. I think you will find their
> 4130 fuselage is actually a 4130 tube shallow tub. Look closely and
> you will see that all upright tubes are aluminum. Most of the
> accident photos I have seen involving RANS S-12's results in this part
> of the fuselage failing down and forward on top of the pilot and
> passenger.
>
> Having never flown an S-12, can not comment on its flying
> characteristics.
>
> However, I have heard some of the earlier Rans S12's had a problem
> with empennage stability.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
The Fergy I saw looked more like a Mark II than a Mark III. I guess the
Fergy "inventor" didn't make enough money to buy the Mark III or else there
would be a new Fergy model. Who knows maybe he's saving up for an Xtra so
there's still hope for a new Fergy design.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
David,
The thing that started this whole "question" thing of mine, relates to an
article in the August 2006 issue of Ultralight Flying. The article, which is
a full page, talks about the Fergy FX-4-2 a 2 seat LSA
candidate.
I've had several people answer my question and a couple that made me wish, I
had closed my mouth.
Thanks,
bob
>From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: a question
>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:18:13 -0500
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>
>The Fergy I saw looked more like a Mark II than a Mark III. I guess the
>Fergy "inventor" didn't make enough money to buy the Mark III or else there
>would be a new Fergy model. Who knows maybe he's saving up for an Xtra so
>there's still hope for a new Fergy design.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: S.P. Practical Test |
Dave Pelletier;
Are there any others, in the Black Mesa Flyers,
that are working toward their Sport Pilot ticket?
With whom have you been working? Any chance
another person could get some instruction there?
I'm now able to do so, and I'm chomping at the bit
to get started, so any direction from you would be
gratefully appreciated. TIA,
George Bass
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | forward slip in Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Bob,
I've never flown a FS II but flew an early FS for quite a while and did
forward slips in that on almost every landing because I like high
approaches and it did not have flaps to help steepen the glide angle.
It was not a problem at all. However, based on what I keep hearing on
this list, the FS II and the early FS don't handle much like each
other. Nose coming up when cross controlling is normal, to which you
respond with nose down pitch. Not having enough rudder to bring the
nose around opposite the aileron is not normal on any airplane I've
flown. I've never flown an airplane that could not be slipped for
steeper glide angle.
Thom in Buffalo
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Don't take it personally, no one means anything and appreciate the
frankness. If anyone is keeping score they'll know I've ask my share of
questions everyone else knew the answer to.
Hey, I'd consider a Fergy if the price was dirt cheap. I think the used
market for knock offs is very very weak so expect a huge depreciation if you
buy one of these and factor it in from the get go. I've never heard someone
say I've just got to have a Fergy because it looks just like a Mark II, an
old discontinued Kolb design. ;-)
Wait there are two Fergies Barnstormers now, they want 18k for them!!! Ok if
they get 18k for those, I'm all wrong and I don't know what the hell I'm
talking about. One guy has a 503 and he's asking 17.5!!! GET REAL, it's
worth 7k. One thing for sure, if I was selling a Kolb now I'd put it in both
the Kolb and Fergy categories.
As for the nose wheel thing, I assume you haven't flown the Kolb
tailwheel-fly it first, you'll love it and you'll get to be a cool tailwheel
pilot.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <kfackler@ameritech.net>
> say I've just got to have a Fergy because it looks just like a Mark II, an
> old discontinued Kolb design. ;-)
But a bunch of us are still flying 'em! :-) Which just adds to the
discussion about how good the Kolb designs are and were and continue to be.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II (and proud of it) / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Hi Bob,
If you wanted to ask about a Kolb here, fine. But I wouldn't expect
any help with other brands on a brand-specific chat list. You're aware it's
a blatant rip-off now, and not just a 'look-alike' of similar configuration.
Sorta like a Rolex bought from a street vendor. I know of one locally that
had a somewhat checkered past.
Now, back to our downwind-turn and Seafoam discussions...
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
>
> I was not aware that there were certain questions that coludn't be asked.
> I saw the article in the August 2006 issue of Ultralight Flying and
> wanted to know how the two aicraft compare. The other people may have
> ripped of Kolb. I don't know. Thats not the question.
> I have read the information on this group for month's. Its good for the
> most part but, when one person gets bent out of shape over a question....
> You are entitled to you opinion.
>
> bob
>
>
>>From: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
>>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:08:48 -0400
>>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
>>
>>The question is,
>>When is the Kolb going to get a nose wheel. Just don't have a heart
>>attack!
>>bob
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
>>>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:47:45 -0400
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>The Ferguson is a rip-off of the Kolb design. There was no compensation
>>>or recognition for the ideas stolen from Kolb in the design of the
>>>Ferguson.
>>>As such that plane is considered a F word on this list. Please don't ask
>>>about that plane on this list.
>>>
>>>If you would like to ask about a Kolb we would be happy to answer any
>>>questions you have.
>>>
>>>do not archive
>>>
>>>Rick Neilsen
>>>Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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Hi Richard,
Why exactly should we offer up knowledge of cheap knock-offs?
Last I looked, this is the KOLB list.
As for 'crusty socks', now I know why my mouse acts funny.
Thanks!!
Ed in JXN
MkII/503 (Real)
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
Oh please, "don't ask that question"? If this forum isn't for the
dissemination of knowledge about Kolb aircraft or copies of it, what is
its use? I admit I sometimes wonder if it's actually for the rantings of
pre adolescent boys who haven't taken up masterbation yet, but that's
just my take. Bob, ask away, you'll soon learn who has knowledge to
share and who has crusty socks.
On 8/20/06, BOB BROCKMAN <packerbeagle@msn.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN"
<packerbeagle@msn.com>
I was not aware that there were certain questions that coludn't be
asked. I
saw the article in the August 2006 issue of Ultralight Flying and
wanted to
know how the two aicraft compare. The other people may have ripped
of Kolb.
I don't know. Thats not the question.
I have read the information on this group for month's. Its good for
the most
part but, when one person gets bent out of shape over a question....
You are entitled to you opinion.
bob
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Could the answer be : because it is polite and doesn't cost a thing to
be nice. The question was asked in innocence and really did not deserve
a violent response. Guidance would have been much more productive.
Just a thought!
Larry, Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Chmielewski
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
Hi Richard,
Why exactly should we offer up knowledge of cheap knock-offs?
Last I looked, this is the KOLB list.
As for 'crusty socks', now I know why my mouse acts funny.
Thanks!!
Ed in JXN
MkII/503 (Real)
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
Oh please, "don't ask that question"? If this forum isn't for the
dissemination of knowledge about Kolb aircraft or copies of it, what is
its use? I admit I sometimes wonder if it's actually for the rantings of
pre adolescent boys who haven't taken up masterbation yet, but that's
just my take. Bob, ask away, you'll soon learn who has knowledge to
share and who has crusty socks.
On 8/20/06, BOB BROCKMAN <packerbeagle@msn.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN"
<packerbeagle@msn.com>
I was not aware that there were certain questions that coludn't be
asked. I
saw the article in the August 2006 issue of Ultralight Flying and
wanted to
know how the two aicraft compare. The other people may have ripped
of Kolb.
I don't know. Thats not the question.
I have read the information on this group for month's. Its good
for the most
part but, when one person gets bent out of shape over a
question....
You are entitled to you opinion.
bob
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: APilot@webtv.net
Some years back, I saw a number of Fergusons at Cartersville airport in
Georgia. I went to a EAA or ultralight meeting (can't remember which)
there were some negative comments about the Kolbs and sort of a jealous
attitude toward the Ferguson. I asked a couple of questions and got put
down. Anyway, I eventually chose the Kolb Classic Mk III, it flies very
nice and I am quite proud of it. Is it better than some other
airplanes? To me it is one of the very best for enjoying the beauty of
flight and it seems very forgiving. Mine is not very fast, but it sure
is pleasant. Vic in Sacramento
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Hi Larry,
Sorry if my response was percieved as 'violent'. (WTF??) Was
meant as a direct answer. I don't see the need to inform on poser
aircraft of which I have no knowledge. If that's too 'violent', so be
it. I guess feel-good PC skills aren't my specialty - thank GOD!
Must be the crusty mouse...
Ed in JXN
HTG MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
Could the answer be : because it is polite and doesn't cost a thing to
be nice. The question was asked in innocence and really did not deserve
a violent response. Guidance would have been much more productive.
Just a thought!
Larry, Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Chmielewski
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
Hi Richard,
Why exactly should we offer up knowledge of cheap
knock-offs? Last I looked, this is the KOLB list.
As for 'crusty socks', now I know why my mouse acts funny.
Thanks!!
Ed in JXN
MkII/503 (Real)
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
Oh please, "don't ask that question"? If this forum isn't for the
dissemination of knowledge about Kolb aircraft or copies of it, what is
its use? I admit I sometimes wonder if it's actually for the rantings of
pre adolescent boys who haven't taken up masterbation yet, but that's
just my take. Bob, ask away, you'll soon learn who has knowledge to
share and who has crusty socks.
On 8/20/06, BOB BROCKMAN <packerbeagle@msn.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN"
<packerbeagle@msn.com>
I was not aware that there were certain questions that coludn't
be asked. I
saw the article in the August 2006 issue of Ultralight Flying
and wanted to
know how the two aicraft compare. The other people may have
ripped of Kolb.
I don't know. Thats not the question.
I have read the information on this group for month's. Its good
for the most
part but, when one person gets bent out of shape over a
question....
You are entitled to you opinion.
bob
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