---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/28/06: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:48 AM - Re: A sleepless night (Thom Riddle) 2. 06:21 AM - Re: Some prop questions (N27SB@aol.com) 3. 06:28 AM - Champs and Chumps (N27SB@aol.com) 4. 07:35 AM - Early Birds/Sausage Feast (N27SB@aol.com) 5. 08:05 AM - Re: Some prop questions (Jack B. Hart) 6. 08:14 AM - Re: Some prop questions (N27SB@aol.com) 7. 08:17 AM - Re: Early Birds/Sausage Feast (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)) 8. 08:20 AM - Re: Early Birds/Sausage Feast (N27SB@aol.com) 9. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: A sleepless night (Richard Girard) 10. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: A sleepless night (Richard Girard) 11. 09:03 AM - Re: FS 2 stick conversion (Richard Girard) 12. 09:14 AM - Re: E-SLA N-numbering (Richard Girard) 13. 09:17 AM - Re: FS 2 stick conversion (N27SB@aol.com) 14. 09:28 AM - Re: A sleepless night (Thom Riddle) 15. 12:54 PM - Re: Early Birds/Sausage Feast (John Hauck) 16. 12:58 PM - Re: Early Birds/Sausage Feast (John Hauck) 17. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: A sleepless night (pat ladd) 18. 01:51 PM - Re: A sleepless night (Roger Lee) 19. 02:26 PM - Re: A sleepless night (Roger Lee) 20. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: A sleepless night (john s. flannery) 21. 06:53 PM - Re: Some prop questions (George T. Alexander, Jr.) 22. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: A sleepless night (WillUribe@aol.com) 23. 07:34 PM - Re: Some prop questions (Denny Rowe) 24. 09:43 PM - Re: Champs and Chumps (ruscok) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: A sleepless night From: "Thom Riddle" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" I changed the topic name to reflect this subject. Rick, ... There are no qualifying kits at this time from anyone.... Actually, there are. I am now flying an Allegro 2000 S-LSA (factory built) and Fantasy Air is selling Allegro 2000 E-LSA kits as well as ready-to-fly (RTF). I know of several now building them. I know that the Zlin Savage (J-3 knock-off) which is S-LSA approved is also selling E-LSA kits up to 99% complete. There may be others. do not archive -------- Thom in Buffalo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57923#57923 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:25 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some prop questions In a message dated 8/27/2006 7:21:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, WillUribe@aol.com writes: I'm satisfied with the IVO but I wish I would have bought a three blade Power Fin. The IVO had problems with slinging the leading edge aluminum tape. IVO said they got a bad batch of aluminum tape, I now use transparent tape. Good point about the tape Will. When I started flying FF 007 it had the IVO 2 blade installed. The tape would constantly try and peel off. Granted, I was throwing a lot of water through it. I ordered 2 blade Warp and a 3 blade Kiev at the same time. The Kiev arrived first and I have never taken it off the plane. I do not think that there was much performance difference between the IVO and the Kiev. Keep in mind that the IVO is 2 and the Kiev is 3. Kiev only makes a 3 blade configuration. I suspect that a 2 blade Kiev would out perform the IVO. However, the Kiev was much smoother and quieter than the IVO. Some day I will get around and try the Warp. I suspect that it will out perform both the IVO and Kiev. steve ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:23 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Champs and Chumps My neighbor here on the lake in Fla finally got his Champ back on floats and parked next door. So I had the chance to go out and chase him around this weekend. The Firefly on floats only goes about 62 mph at 6200 and the Chump does an easy 75. However when it comes to takeoff, climb and turns the FF is all over the Chump. Probably looked a lot like a mockingbird chasing a buzzard from the ground. A lot of fun for all involved. Time to tie down the trailer, WE got a Blow coming. Steve ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:49 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Early Birds/Sausage Feast To All interested, The 2nd Annual Custom Air Pre-Homecoming Cookout and Sausage Feast will be held at Bryan's shop across the field from TNK on Thursday Afternoon. And yes Travis, I made time to make the Sausage. Everyone that arrives a day early for the Homecoming is Welcome. Bryan and Steve PS John, I made 2 for you ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:43 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some prop questions --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" From: N27SB@aol.com Good point about the tape Will. When I started flying FF 007 it had the IVO 2 blade installed. The tape would constantly try and peel off. Granted, I was throwing a lot of water through it. I ordered 2 blade Warp and a 3 blade Kiev at the same time. The Kiev arrived first and I have never taken it off the plane. I do not think that there was much performance difference between the IVO and the Kiev. Keep in mind that the IVO is 2 and the Kiev is 3. Kiev only makes a 3 blade configuration. I suspect that a 2 blade Kiev would out perform the IVO. However, the Kiev was much smoother and quieter than the IVO. Some day I will get around and try the Warp. I suspect that it will out perform both the IVO and Kiev. Any three blade propeller will be quieter than its corresponding two blade when they are both setup to absorb the same amount of power. The three blade will be set at lower pitch which translates into lower noise. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:46 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some prop questions In a message dated 8/28/2006 11:06:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, jbhart@onlyinternet.net writes: > Any three blade propeller will be quieter than its corresponding two blade > when they are both setup to absorb the same amount of power. The three blade > will be set at lower pitch which translates into lower noise. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > Makes sense Jack, If Kiev ever makes a 2 blade hub, I will switch. I suspect that a 2 blade Kiev will be quieter than an IVO due to the blade design. I think that the IVO does a good job and it is the easiest to adjust but it is not suitable for water flying. steve ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:17 AM PST US From: "Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Early Birds/Sausage Feast Thank You Steve. I will be there. Travis @ TNK ----- Original Message ----- From: N27SB@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Early Birds/Sausage Feast To All interested, The 2nd Annual Custom Air Pre-Homecoming Cookout and Sausage Feast will be held at Bryan's shop across the field from TNK on Thursday Afternoon. And yes Travis, I made time to make the Sausage. Everyone that arrives a day early for the Homecoming is Welcome. Bryan and Steve PS John, I made 2 for you ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:19 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Early Birds/Sausage Feast In a message dated 8/28/2006 11:18:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, travis@tnkolbaircraft.com writes: > > Thank You Steve. I will be there. > > Travis @ TNK > I think that we should all vote to see if Travis should Sing for His Supper! steve ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:16 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A sleepless night Thom, we're in a semantics loop here. I repeat, there are no kits available at this time that qualify as an S-LSA. Until January 31st 2008 you can go buy an S-LSA and put it in the E-LSA category. You'd be losing about $25K for the effort, so it seems to be a bad idea to me, but as my dear Grandma always told me, "it takes all kinds to make a world" Rick On 8/28/06, Thom Riddle wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" > > I changed the topic name to reflect this subject. > > Rick, > > ... There are no qualifying kits at this time from anyone.... > > Actually, there are. I am now flying an Allegro 2000 S-LSA (factory built) > and Fantasy Air is selling Allegro 2000 E-LSA kits as well as ready-to-fly > (RTF). I know of several now building them. I know that the Zlin Savage (J-3 > knock-off) which is S-LSA approved is also selling E-LSA kits up to 99% > complete. There may be others. > > do not archive > > -------- > Thom in Buffalo > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57923#57923 > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:27 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A sleepless night John, Appendix D applies to ALL aircraft that require annual and 100 hour inspections. The "where applicable" means if it ain't got a wing, i.e. a rotorcraft. Rick On 8/27/06, Rick Pearce wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" > > My Kolb Mark3 has the Kolb amphib floats and I'm a very big guy so I will > need all the power I can get.Will be a single place I'm pretty sure. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denny Rowe" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A sleepless night > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > > > > Rick, > > I forgot in my last reply to tell you I am looking forward to hearing > how > > your bird performs with this combo. > > Have fun and fly safe. > > > > Denny > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Williamson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 2:53 PM > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: A sleepless night > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing". > > > > > > Clarification is in order here: This statement is not true! > > > > > > "If, however, he is a stand up guy, he will do the inspection by the > list > > > contained in 14 CFR 43 Appendix D. One of the requirements is to do a n > > > INTERNAL inspection of the wings." > > > > > > The Title to FAR Part 43 Appendix D tells you exactly what and when i t > is > > > used: > > > "Appendix D to Part 43?"Scope and Detail of Items (as Applicable t o > the > > > Particular Aircraft) To Be Included in Annual and 100-Hour > Inspections" > > > > > > Here is the scope of the inspection as it pertain to the wings: > > > "(f) Each person performing an annual or 100-hour inspection shall > inspect > > > (where applicable) all components of the wing and center section > assembly > > > for poor general condition, fabric or skin deterioration, distortion, > > > evidence of failure, and insecurity of attachment." > > > > > > As you can see, there is no reference to "One of the requirements is > to > do > > > an INTERNAL inspection of the wings." > > > > > > You as the Manufacturer will be required to make an entry in the log > books > > > that the aircraft/engine/propeller are in an "airworthy and safe > condition > > > for flight." befoe the inspector will make his entry. > > > > > > The inspector (FAA/DAR) is only required to inspect the aircraft in s o > far > > > as to determine it's eligibility for and the issuance of an > Experimental > > > Airworthiness Certificate. > > > > > > Go the regulations and look it up: > > > > > http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse /Title14/14tab_02.tpl > > > > > > The following statement is true but isn't the whole answer: > > > "Some of you may find 14 CFR 91.409 (c) which says that light sport i s > > > exempt from annuals and 100 hour inspections." > > > > > > The FAA will issue Operating Limitation for Experimental Light Sport > and > > > Experimental Amateur Built aircraft. Here is a partial Exerpt of: > > > > > > " PHASE II Operating Limitations > > > > > > Following completion of Phase I requirements and a record documenting > that > > > completion, the aircraft may be operated in accordance with Phase II > of > > > these Operating Limitations. > > > > > > No person may operate this aircraft for other than the purpose of > > > recreation and education as stated in the program letter for this > > > aircraft. In addition, this aircraft shall be operated in accordance > with > > > applicable air traffic and general operating rules of CFR part 91 and > all > > > additional limitations prescribed under the provisions of CFR part > > > 91.319(e). These operating limitations are a part of the FAA Form > 8130-7, > > > Special Airworthiness Certificate, and are to be carried in the > aircraft > > > at all times for availability to the pilot in command of the aircraft .. > > > > > > This aircraft is prohibited from operating in congested airways or > over > > > densely populated areas unless directed by Air Traffic Control, or > unless > > > sufficient altitude is maintained to effect a safe emergency landing > in > > > the event of a power unit failure, without hazard to persons or > property > > > on the surface. > > > > > > After completion of Phase I flight testing, unless appropriately > equipped > > > for night and/or instrument flight in accordance with CFR section > 91.205, > > > this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only. > > > > > > No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding > twelve > > > (12) calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in > > > accordance with the scope and detail of appendix D to CFR part 43, or > > > other FAA approved programs, and found to be in a condition for safe > > > operation. This inspection will be recorded in the aircraft > maintenance > > > records. > > > > > > Condition inspections shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance > > > records showing the following or a similarly worded statement: "I > certify > > > that this aircraft has been inspected on (insert date) in accordance > with > > > the scope and detail of appendix D to CFR part 43, or other > FAA-approved > > > programs and found to be in a condition for safe operation," The entr y > > > will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name, > signature, > > > certificate number, and type of certificate held by the person > performing > > > the inspection." > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > This is where the condition inspection will be spelled out and also > tell > > > you that your "aircraft shall be operated in accordance with > applicable > > > air traffic and general operating rules of CFR part 91 and all > additional > > > limitations prescribed under the provisions of CFR part 91.319(e)." > > > > > > The Certification and Operating Limitations process can be found in: > > > FAA Order 8130.2F w/Change 2 (7/10/2006) which can can be found at > this > > > link: > > > http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/light_sport/ > > > > > > Well, if you made to here, Thank You. Remenber that all our advise is > > > worth the paper we are writing on. > > > > > > -------- > > > John Williamson > > > Arlington, TX > > > > > > Kolbra, 912ULS > > > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57574#57574 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:54 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FS 2 stick conversion Wade, If it works out that you can't get parts or a new assembly to work, you can go to McMaster Carr (www.mcmaster.com) and get bushings to restore your system. Just ream the holes to a press fit for the bushings. Rick On 8/27/06, WADE LAWICKI wrote: > > Group, > Has anyone changed thier FS 2 from old to new style control > stick? Is thier a kit? How much welding? My old style has more slop than i > like and, ive checked everything for tension and wear, just too many > connections to be a tight feel. also any info on the rubber joint under the > seat, good or bad? > > > thanks, Wade > > FS 2 #1030 > > do not archive > > Get on board. You're invitedto try the new Yahoo! Mail. > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:50 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: E-SLA N-numbering WW, When you check the, "I have a bill of sale box", the FAA has to check the ownership transfers all the way back to when the aircraft was first registered. Rick On 8/26/06, TheWanderingWench wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: TheWanderingWench < > thewanderingwench@yahoo.com> > > Hi folks, > > Following up on Dick Girard's comments re: certifying > a "fat" ultralight as E-SLA. When you're applying for > your N-number, there is a 5"x 8" 3-part form that you > fill out. In the Ownership section, you can check > that you have a bill of sale, or that you lost the > bill of sale but declare that you really, really, > honestly do own the aircraft for which you're applying > for the N-number. > > EAA recommends that you ALWAYS check the "I own it, > but lost the bill of sale" box EVEN IF you have the > bill of sale. Somehow, your application will go > through the process more quickly. > > That happened here in Oregon. Of 3 people who sent in > their N-number applications at approximately the same > time, the two who checked "I have a bill of sale" had > their application sent back with a request for more > info, and the one who checked "I lost my bill of sale" > had theirs sail through. Don't ask me why... > > Arty > > www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com > > "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" > Helen Keller > > "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:38 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FS 2 stick conversion Wade, My Firefly has the old system and it works well. Duane the Plane used Thin Stainless sheet metal to make his own shims and it has held up well. Also If you go to the new style, DO NOT mount your turnbuckles directly to your stick as is done in the old system. They will fatigue and eventually fail. The new system uses a short piece of cable in between the stick and the turnbuckle. Steve ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: A sleepless night From: "Thom Riddle" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" Rick, Semantics is right, but since misunderstanding about this subject is so widespread, including or perhaps especially, within the FAA FSDOs, it bears clarifying anyway we can. There will never be an S-LSA kit unless they change the rules. The kit versions of S-LSA approved models, where an owner does any part of the build must be certificated as E-LSA if the builder contribution is less than 51% of the effort. If the builder contributes 51% or more of the effort and he can document it, it can be registered as an experimental amateur-built like Kolbs or as an E-LSA at the builder's discretion. My point was that some of the S-LSA factories are selling ready-to-fly ONLY and some are selling both RTF and kits. I just mentioned two that I know of that are selling E-LSA kits. FWIW, we bought our 2 year old Allegro 2000 S-LSA from a dealer who was using it as a demo plane. It had 270 hours on it and that saved us a bunch of money vs. new factory built, or an E-LSA kit for that matter. One of my partners is an A&P IA so we can do all the work including inspections. It now has about 423 hours and counting. If weather permits, Bob Bean (MkIII - Geo) and I will be flying the Allegro down to the TNK event on Sept. 23. Hope to meet some of you there. do not archive -------- Thom in Buffalo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58005#58005 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:11 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Early Birds/Sausage Feast --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | | PS John, I made 2 for you | Steve B: You da man! Gang: Recommend attending the Kolb Homecoming. We have a ball. Only flyin I know of that takes care of you from the day before the flyin starts until time to go home on Sunday. Steve B makes some mean sausage. I was lucky to get there early last year and enjoy some "early bird" sausage with Steve and Bryan. Looking forward to this year's get together. Looks like I'll be pulling the 5th wheel rather than flyin in. Not enough time to get new engine and get it installed prior to time to go. john h mkIII (engineless and propless) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:18 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Early Birds/Sausage Feast --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" His Supper! | | steve | Steve: Don't know about Travis singing for his supper or not. However, shore would love to hear Travis pick that 5 string banjo. Travis is the greatest! john h mkIII (engineless and propless) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:25 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A sleepless night --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" The Kolb is a breed apart with zero stuff moving about inside.I elected to close it up forever or until something falls apart. Hi Robert, I did that with my Challenger for the same reason but the Inspector made me cut inspection holes just the same. I suppose it would be a good thing to find corrosion before the wing drops off. Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: A sleepless night From: "Roger Lee" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" Hi Rick, Why would someone lose $25k for switching form SLSA to ELSA? The only thing I can think of off hand is that you would not be able to use it as a trainer, but wouldn't you be able to do your own work and inspections? -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58053#58053 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: A sleepless night From: "Roger Lee" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" Just got off the phone to EAA. Other than not being able to train in the plane or rent it out then there should not be any drawbacks. 95% people are recreational flyers and not trainers anyway. Another interesting note from them was, as the Regulations stand right now, if you did go back to ELSA from SLSA then you could do your "Condition of Safe Operation" inspection, but at this time could not do your own work. They said that was an FAA goof. They are in the process of trying to get that changed so you can do your own work. They also said that if you go back to ELSA then you would remove some of the restrictions that a company might have put on as an SLSA. Case in point, I just bought a Flight Design CT and they said not to fly at night, but if I take the plane back to ELSA then I can legally fly at night if the plane is equiped with lights and the pilot holds a private ticket. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58063#58063 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:10 PM PST US From: "john s. flannery" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A sleepless night --> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" Not into being an alarmist, but found this a while back and haven't heard a Kolber raise a peep about boom inspection. Nor do I know how to go about that task. Doubt the feds have followed up on booms generally. I have dealt with major aluminum corrosion previously and one old pilot and rebuilder said I saved him money. Said he wouldn't have to send flowers to my funeral. http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/drifter-structuralfailure.htm jsf Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat ladd" Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A sleepless night > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" > > The Kolb is a breed apart with zero stuff moving about inside.I elected to > close it up forever or until something falls apart. > > Hi Robert, > I did that with my Challenger for the same reason but the Inspector made > me cut inspection holes just the same. I suppose it would be a good thing > to find corrosion before the wing drops off. > > Pat > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:01 PM PST US From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Some prop questions Denny: Sorry for the delay in responding. Spent the day trying to secure my FS in its trailer in case Ernesto decides to visit us at/near Airport Manatee. The setup on my FS II is a 3 blade Power Fin, Model F; C gearbox (3.47 ratio) being driven by the R503 DCDI/Dual Carb. Great combination.... along with a turbo booster. ;>) George http://gtalexander.home.att.net _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denny Rowe Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some prop questions George, That makes me feel a whole lot better about my Powerfin prop. Denny PS: Which model Powerfin do you have? ----- Original Message ----- From: George T. Alexander, Jr. Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Some prop questions All: So rare that one has an opportunity to correct Mr. Mallory........ He states......"(3) he has a three blade Warp Drive" He should have stated..... "(3) he has a three blade Power Fin" I would have been harsher in my correction if Chris had not been so kind when he said ".....and heavier...." That's being kind. Coulda said "fat" Regards, George "turbo boost" Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Mallory Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Some prop questions All, Mr. Alexander and I both have FS II's both with 503 DCDI, the planes are "almost" exactly alike except that (1)George's plane carries 5gal. fuel and mine, 10gal. (2).. George is a bigger and heavier pilot than I am and (3) he has a three blade Warp Drive and I have a three blade IVO prop. On any given day under any given conditions, I can't for the life of me keep up with him unless I run way over normal cruise rpm (way over). I haven't checked my prop pitch (going to though) but I plane performs great except during cruise (trying to catch George). I personally think that he's running a turbo boost system but I can't prove anything. Anyway, I am giving serious thought to changing to a Warp Drive prop but in light of the recent postings, I am wondering if I should go two blade or stick with three blades. What do you "experienced" gentleman think? s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List _____ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:57 PM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: A sleepless night c29.1371605_alt_bound-- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:39 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some prop questions Thanks George, I also have the F model and have heard that it is the best you can do on the 503 with the 3.47 ratio. My 2SI only has a 2.65 gear set, I would love to see what it would do with a C gearbox and the 3.47 ratio but I don't have the time to even fly right now, let alone retrofit a new gearbox. Good luck with the Hurricane. Denny ----- Original Message ----- From: George T. Alexander, Jr. To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:52 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Some prop questions Denny: Sorry for the delay in responding. Spent the day trying to secure my FS in its trailer in case Ernesto decides to visit us at/near Airport Manatee. The setup on my FS II is a 3 blade Power Fin, Model F; C gearbox (3.47 ratio) being driven by the R503 DCDI/Dual Carb. Great combination.... along with a turbo booster. ;>) George http://gtalexander.home.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denny Rowe Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 9:23 PM To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some prop questions George, That makes me feel a whole lot better about my Powerfin prop. Denny PS: Which model Powerfin do you have? ----- Original Message ----- From: George T. Alexander, Jr. To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Some prop questions All: So rare that one has an opportunity to correct Mr. Mallory........ He states......"(3) he has a three blade Warp Drive" He should have stated..... "(3) he has a three blade Power Fin" I would have been harsher in my correction if Chris had not been so kind when he said ".....and heavier...." That's being kind. Coulda said "fat" Regards, George "turbo boost" Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Mallory Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:33 AM To: Kolb List Subject: Kolb-List: Some prop questions All, Mr. Alexander and I both have FS II's both with 503 DCDI, the planes are "almost" exactly alike except that (1)George's plane carries 5gal. fuel and mine, 10gal. (2).. George is a bigger and heavier pilot than I am and (3) he has a three blade Warp Drive and I have a three blade IVO prop. On any given day under any given conditions, I can't for the life of me keep up with him unless I run way over normal cruise rpm (way over). I haven't checked my prop pitch (going to though) but I plane performs great except during cruise (trying to catch George). I personally think that he's running a turbo boost system but I can't prove anything. Anyway, I am giving serious thought to changing to a Warp Drive prop but in light of the recent postings, I am wondering if I should go two blade or stick with three blades. What do you "experienced" gentleman think? s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Date: 8/25/2006 s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 8/25/2006 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Champs and Chumps From: "ruscok" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ruscok" Steve- If you wouldnt mind, I would like to see a picture of your Kolb on floats. Thanks Kendall Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58147#58147