---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/31/06: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:55 AM - Re: Y B NORMal (N27SB@aol.com) 2. 06:03 AM - Re: Y B NORMal (N27SB@aol.com) 3. 06:42 AM - Re: float planes (Robert Laird) 4. 07:32 AM - Re: float planes (N27SB@aol.com) 5. 08:02 AM - Re: Early Birds/Sausage Feast (APilot@webtv.net) 6. 08:26 AM - Flying Rivers (John Hauck) 7. 08:30 AM - Re: Early Birds/Sausage Feast (John Hauck) 8. 09:11 AM - Back in the air (Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com) 9. 09:12 AM - Re: Flying Rivers (N27SB@aol.com) 10. 10:39 AM - Re: terrain (Charlie England) 11. 11:05 AM - Re: float planes (Arksey@aol.com) 12. 11:05 AM - Re: Y B NORMal (rap@isp.com) 13. 11:49 AM - Re: terrain (john s. flannery) 14. 12:51 PM - Re: Twin Engine Firestar 2 (contrabassoon) 15. 02:42 PM - Re: Y B NORMal (N27SB@aol.com) 16. 06:30 PM - Oshkosh 2006 pictures (Bill Vincent) 17. 08:32 PM - Re: Flying Rivers (Bob Noyer) 18. 08:34 PM - Re: terrain (FS2Kolb@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:28 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Y B NORMal Hi Rick, you are right. How is your project going? steve ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:19 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Y B NORMal For those of you who contacted me off line, here is another shot. Bryan Melborn at the stick. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:26 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: float planes --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" Jim -- That's something I've thought about too... I owned a seaplane for a couple of years and really wanted to do something like that, but never got around to it. Mostly it was just work, and stuff, getting in the way, but part of it was the issue of landing on water in different political areas... Each state has different rules about where you can land... in some states, it's okay to land anywhere with certain exceptions... in other states, it's NOT okay to land anywhere except and airport, with a few exceptions. So, to travel cross-country with the intention of landing on different bodies of water, you'd have to be careful about the rules/regs of each plane. Most federal waterways are out of bounds, too, for seaplane activity. The Seaplane Pilots Association (seaplanes.org) has a directory that helps with this kind of situation, so if you ever decide to do this, I'd strongly recommend you join SPA and get their directory. Now, having said all that, I've had lots of experience landing small ultralights in all kinds of places, and it's been rare that I've ever had a problem with the locals... in fact, usually the opposite... they are usually friendly as all get out, but occasionally you run across someone that got up on the wrong side of life. But I'd imagine if you set about to do a cross-country with an amphibious ultralight, that you'd find all kinds of nice people... even law enforcement is pretty level-headed about UL flyers. Good luck to you with your new Kolb! -- Robert On 8/31/06, Arksey@aol.com wrote: > > > Hello group, > You fellows flying and talking about flying Kolb's on floats brings me > back to my thoughts as grandson Kendall and myself were bringing the > firestar back from Oklahoma with him doing the flying and I the driving. > When we went thru the lake of the Ozarks, over the Missouri and Mississippi > rivers I thought to myself what a wonderful thing it would be to fly these > major river systems with a kolb on floats, this I expressed to kendall in a > discussion we had about the subject. I have got to believe a person would > see some wonderful country, meet some interesting people and have plenty of > places to land...has anyone done it or had such thoughts? > > jim swan FS II > Michigan > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:39 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: float planes In a message dated 8/31/2006 1:55:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, Arksey@aol.com writes: > I have got to believe a person would see some wonderful country, meet some > interesting people and have plenty of places to land...has anyone done it or > had such thoughts? > > jim swan FS II > Michigan > do not archive > Jim, Cross Country is possible but consider that conditions at your proposed landing destination are subject to more volatile changes than airports. My suggestion for travel in an ultralight on floats would be to trailer your UL in an enclosed trailer and unload and explore simply by launching at a boat ramp. But then, look what John H accomplished years ago in his Firestar. steve ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:18 AM PST US From: APilot@webtv.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Early Birds/Sausage Feast --> Kolb-List message posted by: APilot@webtv.net Here is a question for you Mark III pilots. I was flying near some Sierra foothills yesterday 80 miles north of Reno with about a 5 mph wind. It was early in the day and nice and still at pattern level (5100"msl). Went up to 6000 and got thrashed by choppy air. Do not know where it came from. How much choppy air will a Mark III Classic handle and where can I attach a big handle to hang on to? Time to celebrate. Have now made 66 landings.......one of which was a nice smooth one......it was number 62. It was with full flaps and instead of going to full stall, I just let it settle short of a full stall which is a no no in a J-3. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:44 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Flying Rivers Morning Gang: The thread on flying rivers prompted me to pull out one of my favorite river photos. This one was taken about halfway between Eagle Plains, YT, and Dawson City, YT, a stretch of 250 miles with no population (that's people) in between. That's the Blackstone River I am flying south down. What a beautiful setting. With the weather so beautiful, hard to believe I barely got through the next mountain pass, I believe the Tombstone Mountains, and was put down by "no" ceiling a few miles south. Flying rivers is fun. Make sure to keep a way out if the fan quits. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:43 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Early Birds/Sausage Feast --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | How much choppy air will a Mark III Classic handle | and where can I attach a big handle to hang on to? As much as you can. I hold on to the seat bottom with my left hand, and snug up the seat belt/shoulder harness. When it gets "really" uncomfortable, I find a place to land, if I am in a location where I can. john h mkIII (landed in 38 mph wind, steady, Canon City, CO, 2003, in other than smooth air) (don't want to do that again, anywhere) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:57 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Back in the air From: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com Me and my trusty Firestar are once again back in the air. After my "hard landing" a year ago its a great feeling to be up and about. I replaced bent tubing, reinforced other areas, got rid of the sling seat and put in a boat seat from Walmart (as was suggested on this list) and she's flying fine. I would like to pass along to others who are building (or rebuilding) that the felt tip pens used on erasable white boards are great for using on our planes. We all know that pencils are bad news and permanent pens are a mess to clean up. All you need is a wet rag and these clean up great. They can be bought at any business supply store (Office Max). Hopefully I will never need to use one again. I asked for some help from the"List" over the rebuild procedure and would like to thank every for there response. The (Minnesota) Flying Farmer......................I've noticed there are more Flying Farmers from other states on this list, that's great! Dwight Kottke Original Firestar 377 IVO BRS ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:15 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying Rivers Beautiful shot John, I'd have to go down and carve it up a bit with some aluminum floats. steve ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:59 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: terrain --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England john s. flannery wrote: >For you dudes with those lush grassy, green pastures; this is what those of us in the West face or look down on each day we go upstairs in ultralights or GenAvs, as Uribe down West Texas way and Dennis up in ABQ can vouch. > >These jpgs are immediately off-airport at Truth or Consequences, NM. > > Truncated! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This message exceeded the Maximum Message Size set in Preferences, so > we have only downloaded the first few lines from the mail server. > > Click here > > to download the rest of the message. > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:36 AM PST US From: Arksey@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: float planes Thanks for your input Robert....good info...will check it out. I am 75 years old and may not get to it, but sure would be a interesting trip..mowed the runway today and when the wind goes down a bit will get the firestar in the air .. j swan michigan do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Y B NORMal From: rap@isp.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: rap@isp.com > Hi Rick, you are right. How is your project going? > steve > Doing good as soon as I get a fuel regulator in & installed I will be ready to start the eng. I still need to install the windsheild, doors & rework the center section to clear the 912s. I have left it on the gear till I get all these problems worked out so I won't have to work around the floats. I'll than give it a float test in the pond to see if it sinks with my fat @#$ in it. Talked to the local Gato office they said I wouldn't have to have a retractable sign off to fly with the floats on till I get my sea plane rating. ----------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:30 AM PST US From: "john s. flannery" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: terrain --> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" Nicht verstehen "Truncated!" Sorry about hitting jpg key twice. jsf do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie England" Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: terrain > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England > > john s. flannery wrote: > >>For you dudes with those lush grassy, green pastures; this is what those >>of us in the West face or look down on each day we go upstairs in >>ultralights or GenAvs, as Uribe down West Texas way and Dennis up in ABQ >>can vouch. >>These jpgs are immediately off-airport at Truth or Consequences, NM. >> Truncated! >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> This message exceeded the Maximum Message Size set in Preferences, so we >> have only downloaded the first few lines from the mail server. >> >> Click here >> >> to download the rest of the message. >> > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:17 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Twin Engine Firestar 2 From: "contrabassoon" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "contrabassoon" Dave, Great work, and kudos to you for it. I had the same idea for a 503 to F33 modification - but I have a slightly different idea. Since you have the F33's already in your possession, perhaps you might be interested in my idea? Basically, the idea is to have the engines mounted 30" off center and use 28" props on the F33's using direct drive (no belts). This will admitedly result in less prop efficiency, but save the cost / liability / and maintenance of the belts while virtually removing cross-prop interaction since there will be a few inches between them - even with them mounted in-line! This is similar to the lazair of many years ago, but in a pusher configuration. Let me know if you are interested in trying this alternative, or perhaps interested in taking an offer for those F-33's??? My email is airfields at westerling dot com Again, kudos on the good work and execution. My opinion is that redundant two strokes is indeed the way to go and much safer than the 503. I suppose the other alternative is to find a cricri (Cricket) that someone is selling [Wink] Fair skies and smooth landings to you sir - Jonathan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58769#58769 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:26 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Y B NORMal Rick, I think it is a great idea to learn the airplane with standard gearlegs. The added weight and drag of the floats should not be taken lightly. Steve ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:05 PM PST US From: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2006 pictures Hi Gang I took some pictures at Oshkosh AirVenture that I think you'll enjoy. A couple of the pictures are of John Haucks plane, I also got a chance to visit with him and as always he was friendly and interesting to talk to. The yellow Kolb is Dick Rahill's, he and John showed the audience how great Kolb's perform. Bill Vincent Firestar II Upper Peninsula of Michigan Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:09 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying Rivers We have been sufeited, nay, well-supplied with many great air-pix brought to us by intrepid Kolbsters who have roamed the air in search of scenes to titillate those of us hard aground or chained to a usurious mortgage. Not being well-grounded, and having long go quitted myself of financial encumbrances, I broke the surly bonds and went Kolbing. After the many days of 90F a moderate day presented itself, just in time for a week of Fall rainstorms, working its way up for hurricanes. With a weather hiatus, I heave The Great Silver Bird from its cage and do my usual walk-around, complete with wiggling, shaking and close eye balling. No critters, no mud daubers. FireFly E003RN broke into a chattering roar after the requisite five yanks on the Armstrong Starter System. Sure, I have the Famous-Mark S.-Never-Fail- Two-Strokes-Or-Fewer-Primer-Pump, waiting to be installed! Well, the EIS has come alive and most of the numbers look mostly OK, good enough to at least taxi. Doing Bob's Famous Cockpit Entry I do the FireFly Bass-Ackwards Flop, being careful not to hit the throttle or scrape the windshield with my Number 9 EEEEEEs. Throttle back to 1800, long enough to yank up the chock-on-a-rope. Out to the active, waiting on two or three GAs... and the Citation that smells like a coal oil lamp with a bad wick. OK, good to go. Wind 8-10 on calibrated windsock, mostly on the nose. Ease forward with left hand, little forward stick. Wooo, we're off way before the second runway marker, making turns for 5300 on the main shaft. Halfway down the 5600' runway, I'm at 700 and straight out to leave both the circuit bashers and the many corporate iron that uses our regional airport to escape the traffic madness at Dulles and the insane regulations that preclude most prospective users from the Washington ADIZ, aka The Black Hole. Pretty cool, but scrunching down the wind just hits my forehead. Hope the elastic string-thing holds my prescription shades...Mr. IVO hopes too. Dang, i really have to put in a bit more pitch, EGTs too near 1200. Most of the numbers seem reasonable, so clear of the traffic area, as well as what might be called "congested," I make for 500', keeping all four eyes peeled for errant F-15s who might be hungry for an easy FireFly decal to stick on their mighty steed. [To Homeland Security: there is no truth to the rumor that it takes downing 10 ULs to become a Black Hole Ase] Boy, do we ever need rain! Yards are brown, except where the septic tank drain fields are lush green. But then we're warned of possible flash flooding of the many "cricks" and low areas. The all too quickly vanishing apple and peach orchards are doing well, in spite of the lack of rain and the rapidly encroaching houses...no known chemical will hold them back! Circling back around our little town I see the many parking lots jammed full of buyers, not just shoppers...and hardly a clunker car to be seen. Either our economy is in great shape, or the banks own the populace. Two huge (are there any other?) WalMarts in a town of 22,000! A pass over a couple loops of the low Shenandoah River shows many sand and mud bars, few boater or fishers, no friendly waves. Back up I-81 showed little evidence of near-three dollar gas. Hordes of semis, coveys of four-heelers darting in/out...all easily besting the FireFly. Saw no police; probably they were in plain-clothes cars captured from drug dealers or other miscreants. Good on them. Being on a short leash, I duck off the interstate and downwind for the same active, watching for the zealous students doing their interminable round-and-squat, repeat until PPLed. Back off the mighty fan to 3500, AS around 40, down the old groove, just like the playground slide. Usual small drop- and-flop (Paddles, did I catch no. 2 wire?) and off to the barn. With my good wife we toasted each other at our friendly Cork Street Tavern, presenting my chit for a free desert, courtesy of the management: "Happy (insert number here) Birthday, Bob." regards, Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:50 PM PST US From: FS2Kolb@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: terrain Vary nice pictures, Thanks for posting them. In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:42:40 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jsflan@valornet.com writes: For you dudes with those lush grassy, green pastures; this is what those of us in the West face or look down on each day we go upstairs in ultralights or GenAvs, as Uribe down West Texas way and Dennis up in ABQ can vouch. These jpgs are immediately off-airport at Truth or Consequences, NM. Remember this is the rainy season. Seems, the cursed and ubiquitous developers are talking about putting a NASCAR track in some of that terrain , which would impinge on the Truth or Consequences Airport, cut runway length and maybe put medivac out of business. We are 150 SM from good hospitals. The choice in what you fly here has to be something that will let you live when your engine dies. Happened to me with an N-3 Pup (ala Cub) and Mohser engine...rich/ lean placards were reversed by the Odessa, Texas, builder. Didn't try to collect, but not really a member of the ubiquitous litigious umurikun society. Didn't break another bone. So hopefully this Kolb will hold up and let me get through another one. jsf Don't archive