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1. 12:12 AM - Re: Flying Rivers (john s. flannery)
2. 02:09 AM - Re: Twin Engine Firestar 2 (Dave Bigelow)
3. 03:54 AM - Re: Flying Rivers (pat ladd)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: Flying Rivers (John Hauck)
5. 07:08 AM - Re: Flying Rivers (Larry Bourne)
6. 07:11 AM - turbulence at altitude. (boyd)
7. 08:18 AM - dead weight (robert bean)
8. 08:47 AM - Re: Flying Rivers (john s. flannery)
9. 09:11 AM - Re: Twin Engine Firestar 2 (contrabassoon)
10. 10:08 AM - Re: turbulence at altitude. (ray anderson)
11. 10:25 AM - Propellers - Ivo or Warp (JRatcli256@aol.com)
12. 10:29 AM - Re: Flying Rivers (David Key)
13. 11:36 AM - Re: dead weight (chris davis)
14. 11:40 AM - Re: Flying Rivers (Ralph Hoover)
15. 11:55 AM - Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp (Ralph Hoover)
16. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp (APilot@webtv.net)
17. 06:18 PM - Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp (Mike Schnabel)
18. 06:26 PM - 1st flight in the firestar (Arksey@aol.com)
19. 07:39 PM - Re: 1st flight in the firestar (Ralph Hoover)
20. 07:44 PM - My Eskimo Friend (John Hauck)
21. 07:46 PM - My Eskimo Friend (continued) (John Hauck)
22. 08:00 PM - My Eskimo Friend (continued some more) (John Hauck)
23. 08:20 PM - thanks jhauck for the pics and info (Arksey@aol.com)
24. 08:28 PM - Re: thanks jhauck for the pics and info (John Hauck)
25. 08:41 PM - Ohio Ralph (Arksey@aol.com)
26. 08:55 PM - Re: Flying Rivers (Denny Rowe)
27. 11:31 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
28. 11:32 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Rivers |
Bob,
What's it like to have a 20-pound unlimited edition Thesaurus! Enjoyed
the descriptive, seldom cryptic, style and perceptive, ponderable
pictures you painted in your aerial world so different from my own out
here in Scaleywater, New Mexico. Thanks for allowing me to piggyback on
the joyful ride, and Happy B Day,
jsf
Do Not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Noyer
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying Rivers
We have been sufeited, nay, well-supplied with many great air-pix
brought to us by intrepid Kolbsters who have roamed the air in search of
scenes to titillate those of us hard aground or chained to a usurious
mortgage. Not being well-grounded, and having long go quitted myself of
financial encumbrances, I broke the surly bonds and went Kolbing...
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Engine Firestar 2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" <up_country@hotmail.com>
Jonathan,
I have the two F-33's with Matt Dandar at RPE in Ohio for sale on consignment.
You can give him a call at 419-585-7002. They are great little engines - really
like the design and construction.
I'm working on an HKS conversion for my Firestar. Should be getting the engine
in several weeks.
Do not archive
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Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Rivers |
become a Black Hole Ase]>>
Hi Bob,
Should Ase be spelt with a `C` or is there an `r` missing there?
Cheers
Pat
Signing off for a week. Off to sunny Italy in the morning.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Rivers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Happy Birthday, Bob!
Hope I can do a birthday flight if I reach your age.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Rivers |
Sounds like a great way to celebrate, Bob. Happy Birthday to ya, and
all the best. Lar. Do not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Noyer
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying Rivers
We have been sufeited, nay, well-supplied with many great air-pix
brought to us by intrepid Kolbsters who have roamed the air in search of
scenes to titillate those of us hard aground or chained to a usurious
mortgage. Not being well-grounded, and having long go quitted myself of
financial encumbrances, I broke the surly bonds and went Kolbing.
After the many days of 90F a moderate day presented itself, just in
time for a week of Fall rainstorms, working its way up for hurricanes.
With a weather hiatus, I heave The Great Silver Bird from its cage and
do my usual walk-around, complete with wiggling, shaking and close eye
balling. No critters, no mud daubers. FireFly E003RN broke into a
chattering roar after the requisite five yanks on the Armstrong Starter
System. Sure, I have the Famous-Mark
S.-Never-Fail-Two-Strokes-Or-Fewer-Primer-Pump, waiting to be installed!
Well, the EIS has come alive and most of the numbers look mostly OK,
good enough to at least taxi. Doing Bob's Famous Cockpit Entry I do the
FireFly Bass-Ackwards Flop, being careful not to hit the throttle or
scrape the windshield with my Number 9 EEEEEEs. Throttle back to 1800,
long enough to yank up the chock-on-a-rope. Out to the active, waiting
on two or three GAs... and the Citation that smells like a coal oil lamp
with a bad wick.
OK, good to go. Wind 8-10 on calibrated windsock, mostly on the nose.
Ease forward with left hand, little forward stick. Wooo, we're off way
before the second runway marker, making turns for 5300 on the main
shaft. Halfway down the 5600' runway, I'm at 700 and straight out to
leave both the circuit bashers and the many corporate iron that uses our
regional airport to escape the traffic madness at Dulles and the insane
regulations that preclude most prospective users from the Washington
ADIZ, aka The Black Hole.
Pretty cool, but scrunching down the wind just hits my forehead. Hope
the elastic string-thing holds my prescription shades...Mr. IVO hopes
too. Dang, i really have to put in a bit more pitch, EGTs too near 1200.
Most of the numbers seem reasonable, so clear of the traffic area, as
well as what might be called "congested," I make for 500', keeping all
four eyes peeled for errant F-15s who might be hungry for an easy
FireFly decal to stick on their mighty steed. [To Homeland Security:
there is no truth to the rumor that it takes downing 10 ULs to become a
Black Hole Ase]
Boy, do we ever need rain! Yards are brown, except where the septic
tank drain fields are lush green. But then we're warned of possible
flash flooding of the many "cricks" and low areas. The all too quickly
vanishing apple and peach orchards are doing well, in spite of the lack
of rain and the rapidly encroaching houses...no known chemical will hold
them back! Circling back around our little town I see the many parking
lots jammed full of buyers, not just shoppers...and hardly a clunker car
to be seen. Either our economy is in great shape, or the banks own the
populace. Two huge (are there any other?) WalMarts in a town of 22,000!
A pass over a couple loops of the low Shenandoah River shows many sand
and mud bars, few boater or fishers, no friendly waves. Back up I-81
showed little evidence of near-three dollar gas. Hordes of semis, coveys
of four-heelers darting in/out...all easily besting the FireFly. Saw no
police; probably they were in plain-clothes cars captured from drug
dealers or other miscreants. Good on them.
Being on a short leash, I duck off the interstate and downwind for the
same active, watching for the zealous students doing their interminable
round-and-squat, repeat until PPLed. Back off the mighty fan to 3500, AS
around 40, down the old groove, just like the playground slide. Usual
small drop- and-flop (Paddles, did I catch no. 2 wire?) and off to the
barn.
With my good wife we toasted each other at our friendly Cork Street
Tavern, presenting my chit for a free desert, courtesy of the
management: "Happy (insert number here) Birthday, Bob."
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | turbulence at altitude. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
APilot@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Early Birds/Sausage Feast
--> Kolb-List message posted by: APilot@webtv.net
Here is a question for you Mark III pilots. I was flying near some
Sierra foothills yesterday 80 miles north of Reno with about a 5 mph
wind. It was early in the day and nice and still at pattern level
(5100"msl). Went up to 6000 and got thrashed by choppy air. Do not know
where it came from. How much choppy air will a Mark III Classic handle
and where can I attach a big handle to hang on to? Time to celebrate.
Have now made 66 landings.......one of which was a nice smooth
one......it was number 62. It was with full flaps and instead of going
to full stall, I just let it settle short of a full stall which is a no
no in a J-3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
There are many possibilities... could have been a dry weather front.
Could be a wind sheer. Could be a boundary layer between different types of
air masses. Depending on the time of day it could have been thermal
activity. Or any combination of the above or others.... as to weather
the plane can handle it.... I am sure the plane can handle more than I
can...
Boyd young
Brigham city ut.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Vic and others, my lady friend indicated recently that she MIGHT
try a ride in the Kolb. Inspiration like that gave me enough ambition
to strap and bungee three salt bags, 40 lbs ea. into the empty seat
last night. This morning was pleasant with sun and a mild east wind,
60F. Take off was with one notch flaps and four trim.
Roll was increased from the usual 300' to about 600' on soft grass.
The flaps worked well but were no help after achieving a decent
elevation over interstate 90. Retracting resulted in a comfortable,
non-struggling climb and normal cruise.
Left turn on departure was over a couple folks laying out lines
for a possible new house. I could almost hear them thinking.
I stayed far enough to the side so a salt bag wouldn't hit them.
I was impressed with how much more solid the plane felt with
the 120 lbs added. Minor winds are much less noticeable.
Landing was same as ever.
BB, MkIII, suzuki, 60 hours
approx. 890 lbs lifted to date
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Rivers |
The only river in this part of Nuevo Mexico is the Rio Grande (called
Rio Bravo in earlier times). I have walked across it and hardly got my
feet wet...no religious jokes, thank you.
This morning did a photo flight over north end of Elephant Butte
Reservoir where it comes in, The Narrows. Still runoff from flooding and
dredging. Found 23 of my old buddies resting, Ex-wife, a biologist and
I, did 300 hours in Cessna 150 taildragger one summer studying great
white pelicans, USAF and Salt Lake International wanted to cut down on
northern Utah bird strikes. Still battling exposures but maybe a few
usables for print shows. The motor was okay, knock on wood.
jsf
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Noyer
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying Rivers
We have been sufeited, nay, well-supplied with many great air-pix
brought to us by intrepid Kolbsters who have roamed the air in search of
scenes to titillate those of us hard aground or chained to a usurious
mortgage. Not being well-grounded, and having long go quitted myself of
financial encumbrances, I broke the surly bonds and went Kolbing.
After the many days of 90F a moderate day presented itself, just in
time for a week of Fall rainstorms, working its way up for hurricanes.
With a weather hiatus, I heave The Great Silver Bird from its cage and
do my usual walk-around, complete with wiggling, shaking and close eye
balling. No critters, no mud daubers. FireFly E003RN broke into a
chattering roar after the requisite five yanks on the Armstrong Starter
System. Sure, I have the Famous-Mark
S.-Never-Fail-Two-Strokes-Or-Fewer-Primer-Pump, waiting to be installed!
Well, the EIS has come alive and most of the numbers look mostly OK,
good enough to at least taxi. Doing Bob's Famous Cockpit Entry I do the
FireFly Bass-Ackwards Flop, being careful not to hit the throttle or
scrape the windshield with my Number 9 EEEEEEs. Throttle back to 1800,
long enough to yank up the chock-on-a-rope. Out to the active, waiting
on two or three GAs... and the Citation that smells like a coal oil lamp
with a bad wick.
OK, good to go. Wind 8-10 on calibrated windsock, mostly on the nose.
Ease forward with left hand, little forward stick. Wooo, we're off way
before the second runway marker, making turns for 5300 on the main
shaft. Halfway down the 5600' runway, I'm at 700 and straight out to
leave both the circuit bashers and the many corporate iron that uses our
regional airport to escape the traffic madness at Dulles and the insane
regulations that preclude most prospective users from the Washington
ADIZ, aka The Black Hole.
Pretty cool, but scrunching down the wind just hits my forehead. Hope
the elastic string-thing holds my prescription shades...Mr. IVO hopes
too. Dang, i really have to put in a bit more pitch, EGTs too near 1200.
Most of the numbers seem reasonable, so clear of the traffic area, as
well as what might be called "congested," I make for 500', keeping all
four eyes peeled for errant F-15s who might be hungry for an easy
FireFly decal to stick on their mighty steed. [To Homeland Security:
there is no truth to the rumor that it takes downing 10 ULs to become a
Black Hole Ase]
Boy, do we ever need rain! Yards are brown, except where the septic
tank drain fields are lush green. But then we're warned of possible
flash flooding of the many "cricks" and low areas. The all too quickly
vanishing apple and peach orchards are doing well, in spite of the lack
of rain and the rapidly encroaching houses...no known chemical will hold
them back! Circling back around our little town I see the many parking
lots jammed full of buyers, not just shoppers...and hardly a clunker car
to be seen. Either our economy is in great shape, or the banks own the
populace. Two huge (are there any other?) WalMarts in a town of 22,000!
A pass over a couple loops of the low Shenandoah River shows many sand
and mud bars, few boater or fishers, no friendly waves. Back up I-81
showed little evidence of near-three dollar gas. Hordes of semis, coveys
of four-heelers darting in/out...all easily besting the FireFly. Saw no
police; probably they were in plain-clothes cars captured from drug
dealers or other miscreants. Good on them.
Being on a short leash, I duck off the interstate and downwind for the
same active, watching for the zealous students doing their interminable
round-and-squat, repeat until PPLed. Back off the mighty fan to 3500, AS
around 40, down the old groove, just like the playground slide. Usual
small drop- and-flop (Paddles, did I catch no. 2 wire?) and off to the
barn.
With my good wife we toasted each other at our friendly Cork Street
Tavern, presenting my chit for a free desert, courtesy of the
management: "Happy (insert number here) Birthday, Bob."
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Engine Firestar 2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "contrabassoon" <matronics@westerling.com>
Dave,
Thanks for the quick reply. I'll call about those engines on Tuesday when I return.
Good luck with the HKS engine. If I had the room in the engine compartment
I'd be giving that a shot too!
- Jonathan
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| Subject: | Re: turbulence at altitude. |
All,
I many years ago became very nervous when flying in the western U.S. where one
can get bounced pretty severely. I bought a G Meter, installed it and found
to my surprise, those nasty bumps weren't nearly as nasty as my nerves were
trying to tell me. Slow down to maneuvering speed and you can ride out any of
them. The G Meter just tells you it ain't as bad as your pucker factor tries
to tell you. They are not that expensive.
Ray
UltraStar TN
do not archive.
boyd <by0ung@brigham.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd"
APilot@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Early Birds/Sausage Feast
--> Kolb-List message posted by: APilot@webtv.net
Here is a question for you Mark III pilots. I was flying near some
Sierra foothills yesterday 80 miles north of Reno with about a 5 mph
wind. It was early in the day and nice and still at pattern level
(5100"msl). Went up to 6000 and got thrashed by choppy air. Do not know
where it came from. How much choppy air will a Mark III Classic handle
and where can I attach a big handle to hang on to? Time to celebrate.
Have now made 66 landings.......one of which was a nice smooth
one......it was number 62. It was with full flaps and instead of going
to full stall, I just let it settle short of a full stall which is a no
no in a J-3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
There are many possibilities... could have been a dry weather front.
Could be a wind sheer. Could be a boundary layer between different types of
air masses. Depending on the time of day it could have been thermal
activity. Or any combination of the above or others.... as to weather
the plane can handle it.... I am sure the plane can handle more than I
can...
Boyd young
Brigham city ut.
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| Subject: | Propellers - Ivo or Warp |
Hi Guys,
First I would like to thank everyone for their input. Without everyone's
help, I wonder if building would be as much fun, buying is much easier.
Conclusions reached so far:
1. Warp is tougher and easier to repair, but heavier.
A. Not being foam filled would make them tougher, easier to repair and
heavier.
B. Is everyone using the nickel leading edge? This would impact all
three advantages.
2. Ivo is considered by some to be smoother, unless the leading edge tape
starts coming loose.
A. Without the nickel leading edge, Both brands would have leading edge
tape.
B. With less then 100HP engine the light Ivo would be used, whereas with
the 100HP engine a medium Ivo is recommended.
Would the added stiffness and additional weight of the medium make it
less smooth?
C. Smoothness suggests less vibration, if ultralites can be considered
quiet in any form, how would you quantify the difference?
(On a scale of 1-10) For smoothness? For Quietness?
3. An additional consideration in my case. With a 2 blade prop I can move
the plane into my air conditioned garage without modification to the door.
A 2-blade prop is considered more efficient and less expensive ???
Would appreciate a comparison between a 2-blade Ivo and Warp for
smoothness and quietness and between a 2-blade/3-blade prop, on a scale of 1-10.
4. Current prices:
Ivo 2 blade - $700
Ivo 3 blade - $890 (Medium)
Warp 2 blade - $495 (without nickel edge)
Warp 3 blade - $685 (without nickel edge)
Don't know what tapered tips cost. Didn't see any reference to tapered
tips on there site.
So many questions. If money wasn't a consideration, why not just pick one
and move on. Maybe an Ivo 3-blade. Can be converted to a 2-blade for a trial and
if I like it, would have a spare blade. More expensive though.
Again thanks for the help. Looking forward to all replies.
John Ratcliffe
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Rivers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
John,
What is your cruise rpm and gph? I just got mine done and flew it, I want to
see what your numbers are.
Thanks,
David Key
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Robert < you dont know me but your letter got my interest because of the Suzuki?
you have a mkIII with a Suzuki, What kind a three cylinder ? Chris Davis
robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert
bean
Vic and others, my lady friend indicated recently that she MIGHT
try a ride in the Kolb. Inspiration like that gave me enough ambition
to strap and bungee three salt bags, 40 lbs ea. into the empty seat
last night. This morning was pleasant with sun and a mild east wind,
60F. Take off was with one notch flaps and four trim.
Roll was increased from the usual 300' to about 600' on soft grass.
The flaps worked well but were no help after achieving a decent
elevation over interstate 90. Retracting resulted in a comfortable,
non-struggling climb and normal cruise.
Left turn on departure was over a couple folks laying out lines
for a possible new house. I could almost hear them thinking.
I stayed far enough to the side so a salt bag wouldn't hit them.
I was impressed with how much more solid the plane felt with
the 120 lbs added. Minor winds are much less noticeable.
Landing was same as ever.
BB, MkIII, suzuki, 60 hours
approx. 890 lbs lifted to date
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Rivers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Bob N. You sure do talk purdy! I almost went to sleep with them wurds. Thankey.
As to the people below spending like their ain't no mindset of realty, we have
that here in beautiful Sunbury, Ohio. You see, gas is now down to $2.39 per gallon
and its time to celebrate by spending again. God times abound and all should
be happy. Thank goodness and our lucky stars that we still have our credit
cards available. Little does the great populous know that the "giants are resting"
from their previous kill and will be back around the desert watering hole
when the greedy bastards get hungry again. Until then, the complacent hordes
of fools will gain acceptance for the "its ok for gas to be around $ 2.50 to
$ 3.00 per gallon. After all, they could be gouging(?) us for $ 5.00 per gallon".
You see, they fooled the Brits by making their gallon a quart bigger than our gallon.
That's why Pat and others are "happy" to pay equal to $ 7.00 per "Imperial"
gallon. Pat, lead by example, stop flying that plane!
P.S. Bob N., I have not forgotten to answer you question to me regarding God, I
am still working on it. Its 8 pages and still a little more. The fact that my
son got married on short notice, my Mother, with cancer, died last week and my
daughter, with learning disabilities, totaled her car this week may cause a
slight delay in finishing it. That and my prop came in and I need to install
it for some personal R. and R.
Counting my pennies, as well as my Blessings, here in Ohio Ralph.
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
John, Please put down the drup pipe! (Joke, just a joke. Actually put down the
bottle of Jim Beam). The IVO Ultralight 2 blade prop is $ 400 not $ 700. Unless
you are equiping your plane with a 100 H.P. or greater engine, the ultralight
prop should suffice according to the IVO web site. I just purchased a IVO 66"
two blade prop to replace my old wooden prop and was told at any time I could
add a third (see single piece purchase) at any time. The weight and mfg date
are on the hub end of the prop. They are a very consious bunch of people and
the quality is as good as any.
Has anyone complained to IVO about the tape? They have a "tape replacement" video
on their web site if it is a problem. Did they offer to relpace tape to anyone
that had some of the tape come loose? If not, shame on them, the liabilities
connected with that could come back and bite them. Plus, the PR would be very
damaging to their growth and service value.
Ohio Ralph
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My Ivo prop is kind of old. I think I bought it in 1999, The leading
edge tape is holding up good on all three blades. Vic Gibson in
Sacramento
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Schnabel" <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Gentlemen and ladies,
I am replying via the forum option, for some reason, I still get all the old email
messages (my preference), but cannot respond to them! MATT D, What is up with
that??
Anyways.....
I contacted IVO via email to tell them about the prop tape separation concern I
was having. Since there is only 6 hours on the prop I thought they would be interested
to know.
All I received back, was a message that I could buy new tape for 4 or 5 bucks plus
shipping. Oh, and that they will accept a Credit Card with the 3 digit verification
code on the back.
Well, I am glad they have a replacement tape, and its available for a good price.
But as for customer service, as in asking me about my prop to see why the tape
would fail after only 6 hours, they did not score so well.
I will try again to contact them to further explain my concern.
I have to say, their prop at the very low end of RPM (1700/1800) has a really hard
"thwap thwap thwap" sound (reminds me of a great scene, the movie "Mystery
Alaska", if you get the reference your grinning, if not, go rent the movie!)...
but when it kicks over the 2k range, she humms like a humming bird that wants
to sing... and at full throttle she roars like a lion and WANTS to be airborne
NOW!!!
My point, I like the prop, and think it has great merit, but except for the tape
separation thing, I would not complain.
Done whining... Except for the issue of not able to reply to the old email list!
Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar 2 503
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| Subject: | 1st flight in the firestar |
Hello gang,
I got the Firestar in the air yesterday and todaymade 3 take off a
nd
landingsyesterday it was a bit gusty . I was a bit surprised on ho
w fast it
accelerated and the takeoff roll was quite short even though I made a effor
t to
keep it on the ground to make sure I had good control as I had some crosswi
nd
wow how it will climb with the 503.I consider it overpowered, but
nice to have
that performace when you want it. I was a bit surprised in the air how
much the plane was moved about by the gusty conditions and not real happy w
ith
the way the controls felt. My landing I would not brag about but my excuse
was that I was landing to the East and carrying a bit more speed than
necessary to help with control in the conditions and this put me over the h
ill in the
middle of the field so I had to land on the East =C2=BD of the runway and a
djust
to the difference in elevation.. because of the light weight the plane
decelerates fast so that landing row is quite shorthandling on tak
eoff and
landing I thought was good.
Today the wind was still out of the NE but much smoother and it was a lot
better rideagain the takeoff and climb shows super performace and
landing roll
is quiet shorthandling very good on landing and take off.
I will have to
spend a lot more time with the plane to be able to fly it the way a person
should , but sure that will come about.
The one thing I did not like was the elevator controlwas very stif
f, when I
put the nose down and let go of stick it would stay in that position and th
e
same when I pulled the nose upthat sort of feeling I did not like
so when I
got done flying I lubricated and checked the whole control system and it
seemed to loosen up and will see if it is ok next flight. At least the pl
ane
and I survived.will have some questions in the near future
.all for now.
J swan firestar ll
Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: 1st flight in the firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
J. Swan, Good for you. You didn't state if this was your first firestar flight
or if you are an old hand at the flying thing in general. I agree with you on
take off and landings, but I agree further with the windy flying. My firestar
moves around like a kite. I have a great deal more learning before I will be comfortable
flying any distance, as I am new to flying all together.
When I flew in my instructors Challenger, with the weight of both of us, it handled
forcefully but well. In comparison, the firestar seems so "giddy" in its
handling. Sorry to use some "girly" word to describe its movements but that seemed
to best fit my reaction when I fly it. It almost seems like it would be happier
with a 100 # weight mounted on the underside of the seat. And I sure agree
with you on the 503. What a monster. I'll bet with these firestars, they would
do great with just a 447 and single carb.
What cruise speed and RPM with what style prop? that would be helpful to some of
us.
Ohio Ralph
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| Subject: | My Eskimo Friend |
On my last flight to Alaska, I eventually landed at Kaktovik (Barter
Island), Alaska. This tiny village is the most north eastern village
in Alaska, way over by the Canadian Border and on the Beaufort Sea.
When I landed there I did not know a sole. First these Eskimo boys
came over on their 4-wheeler to visit with me. They were on their way
fishing. Had the fishing gear on the 4 wheeler, were headed for the
beach, when they saw me land.
Soon after, Robert Thompson, another Eskimo and Vietnam Veteran of the
101st Airborne Division, drove up. Robert and I hit it off right
away. He had a PA-11 on Alaska tires. We were both in the 101st Abn
Div at the same time in VN. Before I left, Robert walked over to his
Piper, got a 5 gal can of car gas, and gave it to me to insure I had
plenty fuel to get back to Dead Horse. No fuel available at the air
strip at Kaktovik.
Robert is a guide in Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Kaktovik is
inside the northern boundry.
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| Subject: | My Eskimo Friend (continued) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Here's the url for Bob Thompson's web page:
http://www.kaktovikarcticadventures.com/
Hit the wrong button a minute ago. Fired off the post before I was
ready. Darn it!
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | My Eskimo Friend (continued some more) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
When my copy of the post arrived, I was looking at the three photos
and noticed the very visible N number on the tail boom: N101AB.
101st Airborne Division. Still can't get over meeting an Eskimo from
my old outfit in Kaktovik.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | thanks jhauck for the pics and info |
thanks john for sharing your pics and information on your Alaska
trip....sure nice country . I bet those boys remember you and the Kolb. Did you
know
Robert when you were in VN? Look forward to more of your info...
jswan FS ll michigan
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| Subject: | Re: thanks jhauck for the pics and info |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| jswan FS ll michigan
No Sir: Didn't know Robert back then.
Every once in a while I get back in the Alaska pics. If I find
something interesting, I will surely post it.
john h
mkIII
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Hi Ralph,,
I am 75 years old and starting flying when i was 16, but very little time
in ultra light type. These were my 1st in the firestar...I think it is
going to be great fun....sounds like you are doing fine...I think once a person
gets use to the plane that the ride in windy conditions will spice life up a
bit and a person will feel confident with what he knows he can handle.. now
that i know i can get in the air and back on land i am going to do some
manauvers with it and see what i can learn... thanks for your input.
jswan FS ll
mich.
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attached is pic of grandson and myself and plane
"For once you have tasted flight, You will walk this earth with your eyes
turned skyward. For there you have been, And there you long to return."
Thanks for your email Jim Swan 6147 Wilcox Rd., Eaton Rapids, Mi 48827 ph
517-663-8488 email arksey@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Rivers |
Great post ol Buddy, made me recall how much of a hoot your books were
to read.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Noyer
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying Rivers
We have been sufeited, nay, well-supplied with many great air-pix
brought to us by intrepid Kolbsters who have roamed the air in search of
scenes to titillate those of us hard aground or chained to a usurious
mortgage. Not being well-grounded, and having long go quitted myself of
financial encumbrances, I broke the surly bonds and went Kolbing.
After the many days of 90F a moderate day presented itself, just in
time for a week of Fall rainstorms, working its way up for hurricanes.
With a weather hiatus, I heave The Great Silver Bird from its cage and
do my usual walk-around, complete with wiggling, shaking and close eye
balling. No critters, no mud daubers. FireFly E003RN broke into a
chattering roar after the requisite five yanks on the Armstrong Starter
System. Sure, I have the Famous-Mark
S.-Never-Fail-Two-Strokes-Or-Fewer-Primer-Pump, waiting to be installed!
Well, the EIS has come alive and most of the numbers look mostly OK,
good enough to at least taxi. Doing Bob's Famous Cockpit Entry I do the
FireFly Bass-Ackwards Flop, being careful not to hit the throttle or
scrape the windshield with my Number 9 EEEEEEs. Throttle back to 1800,
long enough to yank up the chock-on-a-rope. Out to the active, waiting
on two or three GAs... and the Citation that smells like a coal oil lamp
with a bad wick.
OK, good to go. Wind 8-10 on calibrated windsock, mostly on the nose.
Ease forward with left hand, little forward stick. Wooo, we're off way
before the second runway marker, making turns for 5300 on the main
shaft. Halfway down the 5600' runway, I'm at 700 and straight out to
leave both the circuit bashers and the many corporate iron that uses our
regional airport to escape the traffic madness at Dulles and the insane
regulations that preclude most prospective users from the Washington
ADIZ, aka The Black Hole.
Pretty cool, but scrunching down the wind just hits my forehead. Hope
the elastic string-thing holds my prescription shades...Mr. IVO hopes
too. Dang, i really have to put in a bit more pitch, EGTs too near 1200.
Most of the numbers seem reasonable, so clear of the traffic area, as
well as what might be called "congested," I make for 500', keeping all
four eyes peeled for errant F-15s who might be hungry for an easy
FireFly decal to stick on their mighty steed. [To Homeland Security:
there is no truth to the rumor that it takes downing 10 ULs to become a
Black Hole Ase]
Boy, do we ever need rain! Yards are brown, except where the septic
tank drain fields are lush green. But then we're warned of possible
flash flooding of the many "cricks" and low areas. The all too quickly
vanishing apple and peach orchards are doing well, in spite of the lack
of rain and the rapidly encroaching houses...no known chemical will hold
them back! Circling back around our little town I see the many parking
lots jammed full of buyers, not just shoppers...and hardly a clunker car
to be seen. Either our economy is in great shape, or the banks own the
populace. Two huge (are there any other?) WalMarts in a town of 22,000!
A pass over a couple loops of the low Shenandoah River shows many sand
and mud bars, few boater or fishers, no friendly waves. Back up I-81
showed little evidence of near-three dollar gas. Hordes of semis, coveys
of four-heelers darting in/out...all easily besting the FireFly. Saw no
police; probably they were in plain-clothes cars captured from drug
dealers or other miscreants. Good on them.
Being on a short leash, I duck off the interstate and downwind for the
same active, watching for the zealous students doing their interminable
round-and-squat, repeat until PPLed. Back off the mighty fan to 3500, AS
around 40, down the old groove, just like the playground slide. Usual
small drop- and-flop (Paddles, did I catch no. 2 wire?) and off to the
barn.
With my good wife we toasted each other at our friendly Cork Street
Tavern, presenting my chit for a free desert, courtesy of the
management: "Happy (insert number here) Birthday, Bob."
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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