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1. 12:02 AM - First Flight (Terry Davis)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: Propellers - Ivo or Warp (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
3. 05:31 AM - Re: Propellers - Ivo or Warp (Thom Riddle)
4. 05:42 AM - Re: My Eskimo Friend (continued) (N27SB@aol.com)
5. 05:45 AM - Re: First Flight (planecrazzzy)
6. 05:46 AM - Re: First Flight (Bob Dalton)
7. 06:13 AM - Re: Ohio Ralph (john s. flannery)
8. 06:38 AM - Re: My Eskimo Friend (continued some more) (FlyColt45@aol.com)
9. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp (Eugene Zimmerman)
10. 07:14 AM - Re: GPS COORINATES FOR JIM SWAN RUNWAY ()
11. 07:16 AM - Re: GPS COORINATES FOR JIM SWAN RUNWAY ()
12. 07:44 AM - Michigan Fall Tour 2006 (a shameless plug) ()
13. 08:18 AM - Re: Flying Rivers (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
14. 09:23 AM - Re: First Flight (Larry Bourne)
15. 09:25 AM - Re: Planes in Baja - John Flannery (Larry Bourne)
16. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp (N27SB@aol.com)
17. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp (robert bean)
18. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Planes in Baja - John Flannery (john s. flannery)
19. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp (Richard Pike)
20. 11:54 AM - Re: Firestar II to Firefly (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
21. 12:29 PM - Need new Prop (Seamus Jones)
22. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Sending Pictures (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
23. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp (Eugene Zimmerman)
24. 01:31 PM - Re: Need new Prop (planecrazzzy)
25. 03:11 PM - Re: First Flight (russ kinne)
26. 03:27 PM - props (Chris Mallory)
27. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Champs and Chumps (russ kinne)
28. 04:39 PM - Re: Need new Prop (APilot@webtv.net)
29. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Champs and Chumps (john s. flannery)
30. 05:49 PM - Re: Champs and Chumps (john s. flannery)
31. 09:02 PM - Re: Re: Need new Prop (David Lehman)
32. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: Need new Prop (APilot@webtv.net)
33. 10:59 PM - Re: Need new Prop (Richard Pike)
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Fellow Kolbers and Kolbettes,
Well, I couldn't seem to find any more excuses not to fly it, so
Firestar N66TD finally took to the air Aug 16. I've never done a first
flight in a homebuilt before so the "what if" worries were all pretty
big. After a few fast taxis with the tail up it was time to do it and
it flew beautifully. Someone on the list used the term "sweet" to
describe Kolb flying qualities and I would second that. It flies
"mostly" hands off at cruise, with only a very slight left roll
tendancy which is probably engine torque, a bungie trim on the stick
should fix that.
I put on Joa's VG's according to John Jung's formula, 8 1/2" chord
distance to the back, 2 3/4" apart in the valleys. It stalls at 32 on
the airspeed (uncalibrated but close I think) with a nice definate
break, power off or full power (exciting) and feels solid in turns a few
mph over 32. Landings are a real non event, lots of time for a nice
(but close) round out. It took me a while to get the distance from my
butt to the wheels figured out but since then power at idle landings are
no problem at all.
Having read all sorts of things on the list, I don't know how much of
this handling ease is due to the VG's and how much is Homer Kolb, but
when I get my 40 hrs flown off I'm going to remove the VG's (grey 3M
tape) before possibly putting them on permanently with glue and I will
fly it and see how it handles without. Should be interesting.
The really interesting thing to watch during these first 5 hr's is how
the 503 has loosened up and required more pitch in the prop (60" 3 blade
Powerfin) After the first half hour or so I noticed it was wanting to
overrev on climbout and the EGT's were higher when I leveled out. I
adjusted it coarser and it was fine for awhile but then the revs started
creeping up again so the next time I really put more pitch in it. Now
it seems about right but I imagine I will have to put a little more in
before I'm done with it. It turns 6400 in climb, 6600 level flight with
a full power EGT of 950, cruise at 58 to 6000 has a EGT of about 1070 -
1100 and CHT of 280 - 300. Just about perfect I think. The prop pitch
really does control EGT after all, seeing is believing. Mid range
decents at 4200 to 5400 spike the EGT up closer to 1200 pretty fast,
good thing to avoid.
Future work on the squawk list includes:
Finding out where all that radio noise is coming from, seems to be
multiple sources, ignition, EIS, and my NC headsets, for now I just use
that wonderful visibility and turn the radio off.
A set of streamline 4130 lift struts and some side doors on the cockpit.
It will do 65 (uncalibrated) full power, cruise at 60 and I would
really like to see it cruise at 70. I think those 2 things will cut
quite a bit of drag, and I really don't like the way those round alu
lift struts shimmy around.
I want to thank everybody on the list for their help and ideas. I've
been mostly a lurker to date but now I actually may learn enough to feel
I have something to contribute. It's a great little plane, I wish I
would have flown it sooner.
I'm going to try attaching some photos. I get the Digest over a modem
and for some reason can never see attachments to any posts. Guess we
will see what happens.
Terry Davis
Eastern Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers - Ivo or Warp |
Last year I purchased a new IVO 3 blade it did have less vibration but it
preforms much better as a 2 blade on a 447 Rotax anyway and I recently set up
a
warp and the IVO is much easier to adjuts but I think the warp would be much
Stronger if you plan on running parts through it
My 2 censt worth if it means anything
Ellery in 447 powered Firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers - Ivo or Warp |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
I'm curious as to why you seem to be restricting your prop search to
Warp and IVO. Maybe you've already narrowed down your search to these
two companies. If not, there are other very good props available
including PowerFin and GSC. Several Kolbers have had good experience
with the PowerFin and I had very good experience with a GSC on my
Titan. My GSC had Maple blades with an extremely hard leading edge
insert that never ever showed any nicks operating from all kinds of
nasty fields. I had a two-blade IVO on my early Firestar because that
is what it had on it when I bought the airplane. No complaints.
FWIW http://www.powerfin.com/
http://www.ultralightprops.com/products.htm
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: My Eskimo Friend (continued) |
In a message dated 9/1/2006 10:47:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
Fired off the post before I was
ready. Darn it!
john h
mkIII
It happens
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steve
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Nice Looking Plane Terry,
Everything your doing sounds about right....
I noticed you went right to Hard surface runway instead of grass first.
My Prop had to be repitched a couple of times too....
Yeah, those first flight worries about "What if" can really get a person
worked up over nothin , well , as long as things go as they should...
Where was your CG at on first flight...?
I had to re-plumb my fuel to run front tank only and throw 16lbs in the
nose to get it to the "front half" of the CG range ( FAA requirement )
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN / N381PM
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Terry,
Thanks for sharing your 1st flight, sounds like it was a great one
Congratulations. Also a beautiful looking Kolb thanks for sending out the
pictures.
Bob D.
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Davis
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:09 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: First Flight
Fellow Kolbers and Kolbettes,
Well, I couldn't seem to find any more excuses not to fly it, so Firestar
N66TD finally took to the air Aug 16. I've never done a first flight in a
homebuilt before so the "what if" worries were all pretty big. After a few
fast taxis with the tail up it was time to do it and it flew beautifully.
Someone on the list used the term "sweet" to describe Kolb flying qualities
and I would second that. It flies "mostly" hands off at cruise, with only a
very slight left roll tendancy which is probably engine torque, a bungie
trim on the stick should fix that.
I put on Joa's VG's according to John Jung's formula, 8 1/2" chord distance
to the back, 2 3/4" apart in the valleys. It stalls at 32 on the airspeed
(uncalibrated but close I think) with a nice definate break, power off or
full power (exciting) and feels solid in turns a few mph over 32. Landings
are a real non event, lots of time for a nice (but close) round out. It
took me a while to get the distance from my butt to the wheels figured out
but since then power at idle landings are no problem at all.
Having read all sorts of things on the list, I don't know how much of this
handling ease is due to the VG's and how much is Homer Kolb, but when I get
my 40 hrs flown off I'm going to remove the VG's (grey 3M tape) before
possibly putting them on permanently with glue and I will fly it and see how
it handles without. Should be interesting.
The really interesting thing to watch during these first 5 hr's is how the
503 has loosened up and required more pitch in the prop (60" 3 blade
Powerfin) After the first half hour or so I noticed it was wanting to
overrev on climbout and the EGT's were higher when I leveled out. I
adjusted it coarser and it was fine for awhile but then the revs started
creeping up again so the next time I really put more pitch in it. Now it
seems about right but I imagine I will have to put a little more in before
I'm done with it. It turns 6400 in climb, 6600 level flight with a full
power EGT of 950, cruise at 58 to 6000 has a EGT of about 1070 - 1100 and
CHT of 280 - 300. Just about perfect I think. The prop pitch really does
control EGT after all, seeing is believing. Mid range decents at 4200 to
5400 spike the EGT up closer to 1200 pretty fast, good thing to avoid.
Future work on the squawk list includes:
Finding out where all that radio noise is coming from, seems to be multiple
sources, ignition, EIS, and my NC headsets, for now I just use that
wonderful visibility and turn the radio off.
A set of streamline 4130 lift struts and some side doors on the cockpit. It
will do 65 (uncalibrated) full power, cruise at 60 and I would really like
to see it cruise at 70. I think those 2 things will cut quite a bit of
drag, and I really don't like the way those round alu lift struts shimmy
around.
I want to thank everybody on the list for their help and ideas. I've been
mostly a lurker to date but now I actually may learn enough to feel I have
something to contribute. It's a great little plane, I wish I would have
flown it sooner.
I'm going to try attaching some photos. I get the Digest over a modem and
for some reason can never see attachments to any posts. Guess we will see
what happens.
Terry Davis
Eastern Oregon
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Arksey,
Got you by a year and also started at 16. Full length cast on one
football-broken leg took me out of flying then and didn't get back for
some time. And, UL-types are new to me after 3K hours flying SELs
shooting land forms as aerial art from Alaska to Cabo San Lucas where I
wouldn't want my airplane today. Glad there are still a few Old F____'s
going upstairs. Here's a jpg of resting pelicans from yesterday's shoot
over the Rio Grande just north of Elephant Butte Reservoir here in New
Mexico.
jsf
----- Original Message -----
From: Arksey@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:39 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Ohio Ralph
Hi Ralph,,
I am 75 years old and starting flying when i was 16, but very
little time in ultra light type. These were my 1st in the firestar
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| Subject: | Re: My Eskimo Friend (continued some more) |
John,
Thanks for those pictures. They are a testament to the duality and
capabilities of the Kolbs. Never got that far in my Kolb, but enjoyed my Kolb
just
as well.
take care,
Jim Cote PA/FL
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
I bought a new Ivo recently from CPS . The leading edge tape was very
unsatisfactory and I removed it after only a few hrs. I am running
it without any leading edge protection for the moment. I received
replacement edges with the prop but they are the same junk as what
was on originally. It would be a wast of time to install them.
I have had satisfactory experiences with Ivo props in the past but
with their current quality control I can no longer recommend them. I
recommend Powerfin for anything running a B box gear reduction.
On Sep 1, 2006, at 6:42 PM, APilot@webtv.net wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: APilot@webtv.net
>
> My Ivo prop is kind of old. I think I bought it in 1999, The
> leading
> edge tape is holding up good on all three blades. Vic Gibson in
> Sacramento
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS COORINATES FOR JIM SWAN RUNWAY |
Dear Jim:
I added your field to my flying club's Ultralight Flight Planner. I hope
that was okay. If you want to see it, here's the website:
http://www.staliteaviation.com/gtuf/gtuf_menu.html
>From there, look for the link Ultralight Flight Planner in the Tools
section.
If you want me to add your phone number, let me know what it is.
Why don't you and/or your grandson consider joining us on our Fall Tour
event? You could even take turns flying the Firestar along the route.
Full info on that is also available on the website.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
----- Original Message -----
From: Arksey@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:56 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: GPS COORINATES FOR JIM SWAN RUNWAY
Hello all,
Grandson Kendall took a GPS reading on our runway and here is the
coorinates he came up with. 42deg28.577N 084deg44.689W this should
put you over the center of the runway...Runway runs East and West, grass
, 2000' X 100'
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| Subject: | Re: GPS COORINATES FOR JIM SWAN RUNWAY |
I forgot to mention that I listed you as bring in Brookfield because
that seemed to be the closest city according to Mapquest. But if that's
wrong, let me know, please.
-Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Arksey@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:56 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: GPS COORINATES FOR JIM SWAN RUNWAY
Hello all,
Grandson Kendall took a GPS reading on our runway and here is the
coorinates he came up with. 42deg28.577N 084deg44.689W
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| Subject: | Michigan Fall Tour 2006 (a shameless plug) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Fellow Kolbers:
My flying club, the Greater Thumb Ultralight Flyers (GTUF), is again
planning for a Fall Tour. The event is planned for Saturday, Sep 16. This is
a cross-country event to enjoy the beautiful Fall weather. A ground crew
provides auto gas at every stop and a motor home with trailer provides
support in the event of a distressed aircraft.
We've shortened the route some this year to allow/encourage some pilots with
slower airplanes to join in. The tour will start and end at Frankenmuth, MI
consisting of a more-or-less rectangular path around Saginaw with a stop at
a cider mill for lunch. Yes, they do have a runway there. ;-)
If you're interested in joining us, please go to this website:
http://www.staliteaviation.com/gtuf/gtuf_menu.html
There you'll find a description of the route, route maps, registration
forms, and operating guidelines. The 'official' registration deadline was
today, but we will continue to accept registrations from those who are truly
interested.
As an enticement to anyone who might be on the fence, we've arranged for a
'47 Luscombe to escort the flight to take air-to-air photos of the
participants. The club will compile the photographs into a CD available a
few weeks after the Tour. There is a fee to participate in the Tour to cover
the cost of our ground support vehicles. But the air-to-air photography is
FREE! To see an example, this website shows pictures of me and my Mark II
taken during last year's Tour:
http://www.kfackler.com/ken/new_kolb/index.html
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
GTUF Webmaster
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Rivers |
Thanks Bob for a New set of vocabulary to decribe the mostly undecrible " Fun
" of Flying . LOL .
And a Happy Birthday to you too....
Pretty cool, but scrunching down the wind just hits my forehead. Hope the
elastic string-thing holds my prescription shades...Mr. IVO hopes too. Dang, i
really have to put in a bit more pitch, EGTs too near 1200. Most of the numbers
seem reasonable, so clear of the traffic area, as well as what might be called
"congested," I make for 500', keeping all four eyes peeled for errant F-15s
who might be hungry for an easy FireFly decal to stick on their mighty steed.
[To Homeland Security: there is no truth to the rumor that it takes downing 10
ULs to become a Black Hole Ase]
ou too.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Congratulations, Terry. Sounds like a good flight, and sounds like
you're well prepared. Lar. Do not
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----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Davis
To: Kolb List
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:09 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: First Flight
Fellow Kolbers and Kolbettes,
Well, I couldn't seem to find any more excuses not to fly it, so
Firestar N66TD finally took to the air Aug 16. I've never done a first
flight in a homebuilt before so the "what if" worries were all pretty
big. After a few fast taxis with the tail up it was time to do it and
it flew beautifully. Someone on the list used the term "sweet" to
describe Kolb flying qualities and I would second that. It flies
"mostly" hands off at cruise, with only a very slight left roll
tendancy which is probably engine torque, a bungie trim on the stick
should fix that.
I put on Joa's VG's according to John Jung's formula, 8 1/2" chord
distance to the back, 2 3/4" apart in the valleys. It stalls at 32 on
the airspeed (uncalibrated but close I think) with a nice definate
break, power off or full power (exciting) and feels solid in turns a few
mph over 32. Landings are a real non event, lots of time for a nice
(but close) round out. It took me a while to get the distance from my
butt to the wheels figured out but since then power at idle landings are
no problem at all.
Having read all sorts of things on the list, I don't know how much of
this handling ease is due to the VG's and how much is Homer Kolb, but
when I get my 40 hrs flown off I'm going to remove the VG's (grey 3M
tape) before possibly putting them on permanently with glue and I will
fly it and see how it handles without. Should be interesting.
The really interesting thing to watch during these first 5 hr's is how
the 503 has loosened up and required more pitch in the prop (60" 3 blade
Powerfin) After the first half hour or so I noticed it was wanting to
overrev on climbout and the EGT's were higher when I leveled out. I
adjusted it coarser and it was fine for awhile but then the revs started
creeping up again so the next time I really put more pitch in it. Now
it seems about right but I imagine I will have to put a little more in
before I'm done with it. It turns 6400 in climb, 6600 level flight with
a full power EGT of 950, cruise at 58 to 6000 has a EGT of about 1070 -
1100 and CHT of 280 - 300. Just about perfect I think. The prop pitch
really does control EGT after all, seeing is believing. Mid range
decents at 4200 to 5400 spike the EGT up closer to 1200 pretty fast,
good thing to avoid.
Future work on the squawk list includes:
Finding out where all that radio noise is coming from, seems to be
multiple sources, ignition, EIS, and my NC headsets, for now I just use
that wonderful visibility and turn the radio off.
A set of streamline 4130 lift struts and some side doors on the
cockpit. It will do 65 (uncalibrated) full power, cruise at 60 and I
would really like to see it cruise at 70. I think those 2 things will
cut quite a bit of drag, and I really don't like the way those round alu
lift struts shimmy around.
I want to thank everybody on the list for their help and ideas. I've
been mostly a lurker to date but now I actually may learn enough to feel
I have something to contribute. It's a great little plane, I wish I
would have flown it sooner.
I'm going to try attaching some photos. I get the Digest over a modem
and for some reason can never see attachments to any posts. Guess we
will see what happens.
Terry Davis
Eastern Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Planes in Baja - John Flannery |
I'm curious, John.. Why wouldn't you want your plane in Cabo now ??
I've looked at the idea while traveling in Baja, tho' I haven't been as
far as Cabo, and wouldn't like to take my plane down there, either, for
several reasons. Lar.
----- Original Message -----
From: john s. flannery
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ohio Ralph
Arksey,
Got you by a year and also started at 16. Full length cast on one
football-broken leg took me out of flying then and didn't get back for
some time. And, UL-types are new to me after 3K hours flying SELs
shooting land forms as aerial art from Alaska to Cabo San Lucas where I
wouldn't want my airplane today. Glad there are still a few Old F____'s
going upstairs. Here's a jpg of resting pelicans from yesterday's shoot
over the Rio Grande just north of Elephant Butte Reservoir here in New
Mexico.
jsf
----- Original Message -----
From: Arksey@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:39 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Ohio Ralph
Hi Ralph,,
I am 75 years old and starting flying when i was 16, but very
little time in ultra light type. These were my 1st in the firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp |
In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:58:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
etzim62@earthlink.net writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
I bought a new Ivo recently from CPS . The leading edge tape was very
unsatisfactory and I removed it after only a few hrs. I am running
it without any leading edge protection for the moment. I received
replacement edges with the prop but they are the same junk as what
was on originally. It would be a wast of time to install them.
I have had satisfactory experiences with Ivo props in the past but
with their current quality control I can no longer recommend them. I
recommend Powerfin for anything running a B box gear reduction.
Eugene,
The Firefly I bought from Duane came with a 2 blade IVO. The tape leading
edge was holding up OK for the first few hours of Seaplane use. After I dinged
it up with a loose bolt I called IVO for replacement tape. That was 2 years
ago. The replacement tape was much thinner and failed in about 2 hours. I asked
them why they went to a thinner tape and they said that the original vender
no longer had the thicker tape. After a few hours on the Internet I found a
tape supplier with a thicker tape. They sent me a sample roll. I also found
that they had supplied tape to IVO but IVO no longer bought from them. I never
tried the tape because shortly after that I received the Kiev prop. I suspect
that they are still using the thin stuff. I don't know how either tape holds
up with normal use, but with a lot of water exposure both fail quickly. If
you want to try some of the sample roll, let me know.
I think IVO makes a good product, It just is not suitable for Seaplanes.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp |
I replaced the tape on my original Warpdrive for cosmetic reasons.
I think I got it from AC Spruce. Plenty thick and durable looking
but the problem is with separation at the leading edge.
If you prebend it with a crease, maybe an iron at low heat, and
weight it down overnight before applying it, the problem may go
away. It's back in the box looking good until I stick it on something,
someday............??
BB, powerfin, some dings and scars, who knows what fell off?
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On 2, Sep 2006, at 12:31 PM, N27SB@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:58:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> etzim62@earthlink.net writes:
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
>> <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>>
>> I bought a new Ivo recently from CPS . The leading edge tape was
very-
>> unsatisfactory- and I removed it after only a few hrs. I am
running-
>> it without any leading edge protection for the moment. I received-
>> replacement edges with the prop but they are the same junk as what-
>> was on originally. It would be a wast of time to install them.
>>
>> I have had satisfactory experiences with Ivo props in the past but-
>> with their current quality control I can no longer recommend them. I-
>> recommend Powerfin- for anything running a B box gear reduction.
>>
> Eugene,
> The Firefly I bought from Duane came with a 2 blade IVO. The tape
> leading edge was holding up OK for the first few hours of Seaplane
> use. After I dinged it up with a loose bolt I called IVO for
> replacement tape. That was 2 years ago. The replacement tape was much
> thinner and failed in about 2 hours. I asked them why they went to a
> thinner tape and they said that the original vender no longer had the
> thicker tape. After a few hours on the Internet I found a tape
> supplier with a thicker tape. They sent me a sample roll. I also found
> that they had supplied tape to IVO but IVO no longer bought from them.
> I never tried the tape because shortly after that I received the Kiev
> prop. I suspect that they are still using the thin stuff. I don't know
> how-either tape holds up with normal use, but with a lot of water
> exposure both fail quickly. If you want to try some of the sample
> roll, let me know.
> I think IVO makes a good product, It just is not suitable for
> Seaplanes.
> -
> Steve
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Planes in Baja - John Flannery |
Well, right now, it's because of another John...Hurricane John, even
though downgraded probably whacking a lot of dudes at East Cabo and
elsewhere. Been down in the Baja when winds took down over hundreds of
acres of the unique Cardon Cactus and those big babies are tough. Have
flown over the water seeking less turbulence and had door pop open on
Cessna 180, and pinned down three days at a 600 foot rocky strip called
St Nicklaus ( don't hold me to spelling...been a while) and couldn't get
out because of the extreme winds. Found a Tomahawk on ground in two
pieces empennage paralleling, but broken from rest of aircraft. About 11
miles from a village. Have failed to get on the ground maybe four times
in Cessna 150 taildragger because of shifting raging winds, and today
the Federales may be as crooked and prevalent as the banditos. But that
is another aspect to consider.
jsf
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----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bourne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:23 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Planes in Baja - John Flannery
I'm curious, John.. Why wouldn't you want your plane in Cabo now ??
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
So far the best replacement tape I have found for an Ivo or anything
else that uses tape is the tape that Powerfin sells. Sticks like crazy,
no peeling problems at all. I have a whole bunch of the tape that
Aircraft Spruce sells. It would work good on something other than a prop...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
robert bean wrote:
> I replaced the tape on my original Warpdrive for cosmetic reasons.
> I think I got it from AC Spruce. Plenty thick and durable looking
> but the problem is with separation at the leading edge.
> If you prebend it with a crease, maybe an iron at low heat, and
> weight it down overnight before applying it, the problem may go
> away. It's back in the box looking good until I stick it on something,
> someday............??
> BB, powerfin, some dings and scars, who knows what fell off?
> do not archive
> On 2, Sep 2006, at 12:31 PM, N27SB@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:58:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> etzim62@earthlink.net writes:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
> <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>
> I bought a new Ivo recently from CPS . The leading edge tape
> was very
> unsatisfactory and I removed it after only a few hrs. I am
> running
> it without any leading edge protection for the moment. I
> received
> replacement edges with the prop but they are the same junk as
> what
> was on originally. It would be a wast of time to install them.
>
> I have had satisfactory experiences with Ivo props in the past
> but
> with their current quality control I can no longer recommend
> them. I
> recommend Powerfin for anything running a B box gear reduction.
>
> Eugene,
> The Firefly I bought from Duane came with a 2 blade IVO. The tape
> leading edge was holding up OK for the first few hours of Seaplane
> use. After I dinged it up with a loose bolt I called IVO for
> replacement tape. That was 2 years ago. The replacement tape was
> much thinner and failed in about 2 hours. I asked them why they
> went to a thinner tape and they said that the original vender no
> longer had the thicker tape. After a few hours on the Internet I
> found a tape supplier with a thicker tape. They sent me a sample
> roll. I also found that they had supplied tape to IVO but IVO no
> longer bought from them. I never tried the tape because shortly
> after that I received the Kiev prop. I suspect that they are still
> using the thin stuff. I don't know how either tape holds up with
> normal use, but with a lot of water exposure both fail quickly. If
> you want to try some of the sample roll, let me know.
> I think IVO makes a good product, It just is not suitable for
> Seaplanes.
>
> Steve
>
> *
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Firestar II to Firefly |
Al,
The rib shape on a firefly is exactly the same on the Firestar II and
Mrk III Xtra.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Bumhoffer
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:36 PM
To: Kolb-List@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II to Firefly
Does the Firefly use the same size and shape ribs as a Firestar?
I'm just wondering if as a last resort a Firestar could be converted to
a Firefly clone by shortening the wings, fuselage, boom tube, cage,
etc., to reduce weight. I know this sounds like a lot of work and it
might be easier to go the Sport Pilot route, or sell the plane and buy a
firefly. Just thinking out loud with the Sport Pilot deadline looming
and making unregistered fat ul's worthless.
Al Bumhoffer, Firestar II, Elkton MI
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Seamus Jones" <seamusrjones@hotmail.com>
Hello All,
I have recently purchased a 2003 Kolb Mark III with a Rotax 582, B gearbox
with 2,58 gear ratio Minus a prop. Needles to say I'm in the market for a
new one. I researched some and have narrowed my selection down to the IVO
66" 3 blade prop. However, \I would like any wisdom anyone would share on
the subject.
Thank You for your time,
Shay Jones
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| Subject: | Re: Sending Pictures |
Here's what I found out about attaching photos. If i type a message and
THEN attach a photo, it is huge. If I go to the "My Pictures" file and
select photos and click "e-mail this file" it gives me a box that says
"Windows can resize ....to make them smaller....." I then click "Make
all my pictures smaller." It then gives me an e-mail with the pictures
attached and I write my message. So far, no one has complained about the
size of the pics I've sent so I'm assuming that they're ok. The key is
to select the pictures first, not start an e-mail and then attach the
pictures. Dunno if this works for everyone but it works for me.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: N27SB@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Champs and Chumps
Not sure how it works but all I did was pull up the photo in Paint and
shrink it 50%
I sent it out AOL so the compression was done for me.
Thanks for the compliment,
Duane da Plane built this Firefly
Bryan recovered and Repainted
I put the floats on
It is the most fun airplane to fly I have been in yet.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Thanks Richard,
I have a 64" Powerfin with the leading edge still as good as new.
My Ivo is a 72" and I believe because it flexes more than the
Powerfin it is harder for the stainless steel tape to stay attached
without buckling and cracking. The thing that makes me unhappy is the
extra leading edges that were supplied with the new Ivo prop were
folded in half for shipping. They would have an obvious distortion
even before and after installation.
Perhaps I'll contact Powerfin and give theirs a try.
On Sep 2, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> So far the best replacement tape I have found for an Ivo or
> anything else that uses tape is the tape that Powerfin sells.
> Sticks like crazy, no peeling problems at all. I have a whole bunch
> of the tape that Aircraft Spruce sells. It would work good on
> something other than a prop...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> robert bean wrote:
>> I replaced the tape on my original Warpdrive for cosmetic reasons.
>> I think I got it from AC Spruce. Plenty thick and durable looking
>> but the problem is with separation at the leading edge.
>> If you prebend it with a crease, maybe an iron at low heat, and
>> weight it down overnight before applying it, the problem may go
>> away. It's back in the box looking good until I stick it on
>> something,
>> someday............??
>> BB, powerfin, some dings and scars, who knows what fell off?
>> do not archive
>> On 2, Sep 2006, at 12:31 PM, N27SB@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:58:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> etzim62@earthlink.net writes:
>>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
>> <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>>
>> I bought a new Ivo recently from CPS . The leading edge tape
>> was very unsatisfactory and I removed it after
>> only a few hrs. I am
>> running it without any leading edge protection for
>> the moment. I
>> received replacement edges with the prop but they
>> are the same junk as
>> what was on originally. It would be a wast of time
>> to install them.
>>
>> I have had satisfactory experiences with Ivo props in the
>> past
>> but with their current quality control I can no
>> longer recommend
>> them. I recommend Powerfin for anything running a
>> B box gear reduction.
>>
>> Eugene,
>> The Firefly I bought from Duane came with a 2 blade IVO. The tape
>> leading edge was holding up OK for the first few hours of
>> Seaplane
>> use. After I dinged it up with a loose bolt I called IVO for
>> replacement tape. That was 2 years ago. The replacement tape was
>> much thinner and failed in about 2 hours. I asked them why they
>> went to a thinner tape and they said that the original vender no
>> longer had the thicker tape. After a few hours on the Internet I
>> found a tape supplier with a thicker tape. They sent me a sample
>> roll. I also found that they had supplied tape to IVO but IVO no
>> longer bought from them. I never tried the tape because shortly
>> after that I received the Kiev prop. I suspect that they are
>> still
>> using the thin stuff. I don't know how either tape holds up with
>> normal use, but with a lot of water exposure both fail
>> quickly. If
>> you want to try some of the sample roll, let me know.
>> I think IVO makes a good product, It just is not suitable for
>> Seaplanes.
>> Steve
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>>
>>
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>> http://wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
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>>
>>
>> size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
I've noticed most guys "lean" towards a bigger dia.
I have a 503 w/ 68" IVO ( Firestar II )
Guys...?
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=59091#59091
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
HOW BOUT THAT GREAT BIG GRIN ON YOUR FACE? -- CONGRATULATIONS AND
KEEP HAVING FUN
Russ Kinne
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On Sep 2, 2006, at 2:09 AM, Terry Davis wrote:
> Fellow Kolbers and Kolbettes,
>
> Well, I couldn't seem to find any more excuses not to fly it, so
> Firestar N66TD finally took to the air Aug 16. I've never done a
> first flight in a homebuilt before so the "what if" worries were
> all pretty big. After a few fast taxis with the tail up it was
> time to do it and it flew beautifully. Someone on the list used
> the term "sweet" to describe Kolb flying qualities and I would
> second that. It flies "mostly" hands off at cruise, with only a
> very slight left roll tendancy which is probably engine torque, a
> bungie trim on the stick should fix that.
>
> I put on Joa's VG's according to John Jung's formula, 8 1/2" chord
> distance to the back, 2 3/4" apart in the valleys. It stalls at 32
> on the airspeed (uncalibrated but close I think) with a nice
> definate break, power off or full power (exciting) and feels solid
> in turns a few mph over 32. Landings are a real non event, lots of
> time for a nice (but close) round out. It took me a while to get
> the distance from my butt to the wheels figured out but since then
> power at idle landings are no problem at all.
>
> Having read all sorts of things on the list, I don't know how much
> of this handling ease is due to the VG's and how much is Homer
> Kolb, but when I get my 40 hrs flown off I'm going to remove the
> VG's (grey 3M tape) before possibly putting them on permanently
> with glue and I will fly it and see how it handles without. Should
> be interesting.
>
> The really interesting thing to watch during these first 5 hr's is
> how the 503 has loosened up and required more pitch in the prop
> (60" 3 blade Powerfin) After the first half hour or so I noticed
> it was wanting to overrev on climbout and the EGT's were higher
> when I leveled out. I adjusted it coarser and it was fine for
> awhile but then the revs started creeping up again so the next time
> I really put more pitch in it. Now it seems about right but I
> imagine I will have to put a little more in before I'm done with
> it. It turns 6400 in climb, 6600 level flight with a full power
> EGT of 950, cruise at 58 to 6000 has a EGT of about 1070 - 1100 and
> CHT of 280 - 300. Just about perfect I think. The prop pitch
> really does control EGT after all, seeing is believing. Mid range
> decents at 4200 to 5400 spike the EGT up closer to 1200 pretty
> fast, good thing to avoid.
>
> Future work on the squawk list includes:
>
> Finding out where all that radio noise is coming from, seems to be
> multiple sources, ignition, EIS, and my NC headsets, for now I just
> use that wonderful visibility and turn the radio off.
>
> A set of streamline 4130 lift struts and some side doors on the
> cockpit. It will do 65 (uncalibrated) full power, cruise at 60 and
> I would really like to see it cruise at 70. I think those 2 things
> will cut quite a bit of drag, and I really don't like the way those
> round alu lift struts shimmy around.
>
>
> I want to thank everybody on the list for their help and ideas.
> I've been mostly a lurker to date but now I actually may learn
> enough to feel I have something to contribute. It's a great little
> plane, I wish I would have flown it sooner.
>
> I'm going to try attaching some photos. I get the Digest over a
> modem and for some reason can never see attachments to any posts.
> Guess we will see what happens.
>
> Terry Davis
> Eastern Oregon
>
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>
>
> <FF 2 (Small).JPG>
> <FF 3 (Small).JPG>
> <FF 4 (Small).JPG>
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The dia. of your prop will depend largely on your gear reduction numbers.
Powerfin for example recommends only a 60" prop (three blade) for my FS II
DCDI because I have a B box with a 2.58 ratio.
The goal is to keep WOT rpm's (static or level flight) to just under the max
rpm for your engine.
George, I believe has a C box (3.47) and swings a 68" Powerfin prop with the
same 503 DCDI.
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| Subject: | Re: Champs and Chumps |
JSF
You're barking up the wrong tree! -- film & digital are pretty
similar in re shooting aerials -- constant overexposure9is a CAMERA
problem, nothing to do with aerials. Check your histograms if you
can, and correct things IN THE CAMERA (read that 100-page manual)
before looking elsewhere. Over-sharpening and over-contrasting are
common pitfalls -- you shouldn't have any problems but you do have to
set things right in/on the camera --
nice pic, go get some more!
Russ Kinne
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On Aug 30, 2006, at 11:12 AM, john s. flannery wrote:
> Up early in "Rectified Red," the Mark III, for 45 minutes
> checking out stuff, left door off. Shooting some pix. Responding
> here because somebody got into jpgs, and I am having exposure
> problems with the D70 Nikon digital I never experienced shooting
> aerials with film.
> Almost constant overexposures washed out any time I shoot wide
> shots. Have to tweak each image. Exception was this to left of
> runway 31 climbing out at about 800 feet AGL, and shooting an
> oblique from left side. Any suggestions? No, haven't used polarized
> or UV filter yet.
>
> jsf
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bourne
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 6:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Champs and Chumps
>
> Besides being a very nice shot, it illustrates very well what I've
> said before........you don't hafta cut a picture down to 3"x4"
> <aerial west side rwy 31 9167.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: APilot@webtv.net
I imagine that you could buy a 72" Ivo for about the same price as a 66"
Why not get the longer blades and cut them down to suit you. I
originally purchased a 72" 3-blade and now I am at 70" dia. It is doing
so good that I may not go to a smaller dia. Just a thought.
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| Subject: | Re: Champs and Chumps |
Russ,
Pre-fire wipeout, and switch to mostly digital, always shot my aerials a
third stop under using film, mostly Fiji Provia or another Fuji. Good
saturation.
Did some reading and camera tweaking revisions last night, and thanks
for the suggestions, and techie buddy took a look this morning and
thinks I might be okay now. Have a disk to upgrade some of the Nikon
software also. Took him a couple disks of aerials (Kolb-flights to
date) and he thinks they will work and wants to grab four or so for
another show in Bradley Gallery here on Broadway in TorC in Oct-Nov.
He and I decided that shooters are the luckiest people in the world.
About only folks existing who can decide what to do, do it the way you
want, carry it through the whole process on your own to completion, and
get paid for it...well, sometimes. Doing it from the air for me above
varied terrain is about as good as it gets.
This morning, the monsoons were still with us, so bagged flying, and
from looks out window to north, more of same this evening . The 65,000
temporary immigrants from the "cities" to the shores of the
low-but-filling two reservoirs for Labor Day on the Rio Grande are
going to get their butts wet. Flood warnings again on the tele for a lot
of this desert state.
Might add note regarding exposures, everything medium range or close-up
on the ground it right on...Duh.
jsf
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----- Original Message -----
From: russ kinne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Champs and Chumps
JSF
You're barking up the wrong tree! -- film & digital are pretty
similar in re shooting aerials -- constant overexposure9is a CAMERA
problem, nothing to do with aerials. Check your histograms if you can,
and correct things IN THE CAMERA (read that 100-page manual) before
looking elsewhere. Over-sharpening and over-contrasting are common
pitfalls -- you shouldn't have any problems but you do have to set
things right in/on the camera --
nice pic, go get some more!
Russ Kinne
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On Aug 30, 2006, at 11:12 AM, john s. flannery wrote:
Up early in "Rectified Red
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| Subject: | Re: Champs and Chumps |
Russ,
Pre-fire wipeout, and switch to mostly digital, always shot my 35mm
aerials a third stop under using film, mostly Fiji Provia or another
Fuji. Good saturation.
Did some reading and camera tweaking revisions last night, and thanks
for the suggestions, and techie buddy took a look this morning and
thinks I might be okay now. Have a disk to upgrade some of the Nikon
software also. Took him a couple disks of aerials (Kolb-flights to
date) and he thinks they will work and wants to grab four or so for
another show in Bradley Gallery here on Broadway in TorC in Oct-Nov.
He and I decided that shooters are the luckiest people in the world.
About only folks existing who can decide what to do, do it the way you
want, carry it through the whole process on your own to completion, and
get paid for it...well, sometimes. Doing it from the air for me above
varied terrain is about as good as it gets.
This morning, the monsoons were still with us, so bagged flying, and
from looks out window to north, more of same this evening . The 65,000
temporary immigrants from the "cities" to the shores of the
low-but-filling two reservoirs for Labor Day on the Rio Grande are
going to get their butts wet. Flood warnings again on the tele for a lot
of this desert state.
Might add note regarding exposures, everything medium range or close-up
on the ground it right on...Duh.
jsf
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From: russ kinne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Champs and Chumps
JSF
You're barking up the wrong tree! -- film & digital are pretty
similar in re shooting aerials -- constant overexposure9is a CAMERA
problem, nothing to do with aerials. Check your histograms if you can,
and correct things IN THE CAMERA (read that 100-page manual) before
looking elsewhere. Over-sharpening and over-contrasting are common
pitfalls -- you shouldn't have any problems but you do have to set
things right in/on the camera --
nice pic, go get some more!
Russ Kinne
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On Aug 30, 2006, at 11:12 AM, john s. flannery wrote:
Up early in "Rectified Red
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
Well, there's a Warp Drive prop somewhere West of Chowchilla, CA... I thin
k
it ended up in a corn field... Prop shaft (belt drive) broke forward of th
e
hub and the hub and prop departed my 503 Firestar at about 1000' taking the
right aileron spar/torque tube with it... I landed in a disced field
and thanx to my big tires, no landing damage... Second no power emergency
landing in the first 11.6 hours I've put on the Firestar... Prior to that,
I had no dead stick landings in over 4600 GA hours... I really like the
concept and the way the Firestar flies, but I'll probably go back to a stor
e
bought plane...
David
On 9/2/06, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I've noticed most guys "lean" towards a bigger dia.
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> I have a 503 w/ 68" IVO ( Firestar II )
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> Guys...?
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> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: APilot@webtv.net
Question: Were you using a two blade or a three blade? I have been
warned about using a two blade on mine.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Go with an Ivo 2 blade, 68", and you will have a good prop and a smooth
flight, and good performance. That is the combination I am using on
mine. After trying several Warp Drive, Ivo and Kiev Hot Prop options, an
Ivo 2 blade 68" prop gives the best overall compromise between a great
climb and a great cruise for a MKIII with a 582 with a B box, 2.58:1
ratio. Be sure you get the hub extension. And you may need to make up
some motor mount extensions to raise your engine about an inch higher to
get sufficient clearance between the prop and the main tube.
If you get the Ivo 66" three blade, you will get more acceleration from
a standing start, (it will be awesome out of the hole) but I will pretty
much match you on climb, and outrun you top end. And at cruise, I will
be about three or four hundred RPM less than you for a given airspeed.
You don't want that. You want an engine that runs at less than 75% power
at cruise, which is 5600 rpm or less, and you won't get that with what
you are currently planning. Guess how I know this? (Been there, done
that, the T-shirt is in the rag box...)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Seamus Jones wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Seamus Jones"
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> Hello All,
>
> I have recently purchased a 2003 Kolb Mark III with a Rotax 582, B
> gearbox with 2,58 gear ratio Minus a prop. Needles to say I'm in the
> market for a new one. I researched some and have narrowed my
> selection down to the IVO 66" 3 blade prop. However, \I would like
> any wisdom anyone would share on the subject.
>
> Thank You for your time,
>
> Shay Jones
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