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1. 07:15 AM - Re: Need new Prop (Richard Girard)
2. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: Need new Prop (David Lehman)
3. 08:00 AM - Mystery Flyer (Mike Schnabel)
4. 08:27 AM - Re: corroded gas gauge (Ron)
5. 08:41 AM - Re: a question (Ron)
6. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Need new Prop (john s. flannery)
7. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Need new Prop (Mike Schnabel)
8. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: Need new Prop (john s. flannery)
9. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Need new Prop (Ed Chmielewski)
10. 02:13 PM - Re: Need new Prop (Seamus Jones)
11. 03:43 PM - Re: Need new Prop (john s. flannery)
12. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Need new Prop (possums)
13. 04:27 PM - Re: Need new Prop (George Bass)
14. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: Need new Prop (john s. flannery)
15. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: Need new Prop (robert bean)
16. 07:35 PM - firestar ll flys very good... (Arksey@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
Shay, You might want to consider doing a couple of things before deciding on
a prop.
First, confirm that your "B" box is indeed a 2.58. Someone could have
changed the ratio in the field and not restamped the box. Because of the
damper in the "B", this is pretty simple. Pull a plug from each cylinder,
find top dead center, you can use your thumb to tell when you have
compression, then pull the engine thru counting the compressions you feel
with your thumb. No, it won't get you fine detail, but you'll know real
quick if you're in the 2 or 3 part of the ratio.
Second, get yourself a copy of the California Power Systems catalog and read
the articles on choosing a prop. Then read the articles on gearboxes. What
you'll see is that the "B" box is marginal on a 582, it is only rated for 66
HP, and it is rated for only half the rotational mass of the "C" and "E"
boxes.
So what should you be looking for in props? In a word, light. While an
adjustable prop might get you something to futz with, I'm going to guess
that as a new owner you probably want to fly ASAP. A good wood prop is the
lightest you can get, it's the easiest to balance, and the easiest to
maintain. Call Travis or Donnie at the factory and get their input, too.
Tennessee Propellor makes nice wood props, ask them what they recommend. Ask
them if they have a return policy if they get the pitch wrong, or better
yet, do they have a known good for a 582 prop that you can use to take a
read on your particular setup.
Whatever you decide, when you get your new prop check it for balance, follow
the manufacturers installation and prop bolt torque recommendation and
RETORQUE schedule. Check the blade tip tracking after installation and after
each retorque, it should be .06" (1/16") or less.
As the new owner, you have a lot of unknowns facing you. While you're
waiting on the prop, pull the exhaust system and look in the ports to check
for general engine condition. While the exhaust is in your hands give it a
good shake to see if it's about to blow chunks through your new prop. Borrow
a dial indicator and check the prop flange for runout at the prop mounting
surface, it should be .003" or less. You say your Mk III is a 2003. Check
the engine serial number and check when it was manufactured and whether it
is a -90 or -99 engine (don't be fooled by a blue head, spray paint is cheap
and at least one 582 has shown up on eBay recently with a spray can
upgrade). After you get your new prop mounted, do a weight and balance
check, the method is right in the plans and it's easy to do.
Rick
On 9/3/06, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
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> Go with an Ivo 2 blade, 68", and you will have a good prop and a smooth
> flight, and good performance. That is the combination I am using on
> mine. After trying several Warp Drive, Ivo and Kiev Hot Prop options, an
> Ivo 2 blade 68" prop gives the best overall compromise between a great
> climb and a great cruise for a MKIII with a 582 with a B box, 2.58:1
> ratio. Be sure you get the hub extension. And you may need to make up
> some motor mount extensions to raise your engine about an inch higher to
> get sufficient clearance between the prop and the main tube.
> If you get the Ivo 66" three blade, you will get more acceleration from
> a standing start, (it will be awesome out of the hole) but I will pretty
> much match you on climb, and outrun you top end. And at cruise, I will
> be about three or four hundred RPM less than you for a given airspeed.
> You don't want that. You want an engine that runs at less than 75% power
> at cruise, which is 5600 rpm or less, and you won't get that with what
> you are currently planning. Guess how I know this? (Been there, done
> that, the T-shirt is in the rag box...)
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> Seamus Jones wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Seamus Jones"
> > <seamusrjones@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have recently purchased a 2003 Kolb Mark III with a Rotax 582, B
> > gearbox with 2,58 gear ratio Minus a prop. Needles to say I'm in the
> > market for a new one. I researched some and have narrowed my
> > selection down to the IVO 66" 3 blade prop. However, \I would like
> > any wisdom anyone would share on the subject.
> >
> > Thank You for your time,
> >
> > Shay Jones
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
Two blade... And remember this is a belt drive, not a gearbox...
DVD
On 9/2/06, APilot@webtv.net <APilot@webtv.net> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: APilot@webtv.net
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> Question: Were you using a two blade or a three blade? I have been
> warned about using a two blade on mine.
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Greetings gang,
I know this group is quite global, but my question today is very local in nature,
so please bear with me... (Thanks In advance!)
Yesterday (Saturday 9/2/06) while working out in the yard a light plane circled
overhead, as if trying to decide to land or not on my simple grass runway.
Looked like, but I am really not sure, a mid-wing bird, maybe a Mini-max?
Anyway, there was no doubt they were here and most likely finding a GPS coordinate
that planted them at my place. I waved and really hoped they would land,
but after several circuits, they flew off... maybe it was too windy a day to
try out a new short field?
Anyone know who the mystery flyer was? I just want to extend an invitation for
them to return!
And to keep this Kolb related, were the mystery flyer to have landed, I would
have been happy to bore them to tears showing them my Firestar 2! J
Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar 2 503
N3529.59, W08602.44
All are welcome anytime...
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| Subject: | corroded gas gauge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
I don't anneal any of the copper washers. What I do is look at them after
removal. You will see that the washer is slightly cambered one way or the
other from the compression on it. All I do is simply turn it 180 so the
camber is pointing up and torque to specs. If memory serves its between 19
and 30 fp on the Lycoming IO-360. I go with the higher value. I never had
any problems using this method. Spark plugs are on condition type thing, if
they are good keep using it. I got 700 hrs on one set once. I average about
500 hrs, and even then they are still usable. Would be nice to be able to
use car plugs as they are cheaper, but the FAA and tradition is in the way
of good progress as usual.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: corroded gas gauge
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
My memory may be failing me on this but it (my memory) is currently
telling me that I was taught in A&P school to REPLACE the spark plug
washer with the CHT thermocouple ring, not stack them. When I asked why
(which I did a lot), I was told that if you do not, the reach or the
location of the spark gap would be different from the design distance.
May not make that much difference, but that is what I remember being
told. So that is what I've always done. And yes, annealing the old ones
when re-using them was also taught in A&P school.
Thom in Buffalo
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
My suggestion is to ignore any out of the left field remarks, we all make
them. Around here you can get into flame war for looking the wrong way. Most
people have been here for years consequently they have developed
positions!!!
I think discussing permutations of the Kolb is a good idea, who knows from
where the next good mod for my Kolb will come. Stifling innovations just
because it comes from the *other* guy is not a good idea imho. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BOB BROCKMAN
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
I was not aware that there were certain questions that coludn't be asked. I
saw the article in the August 2006 issue of Ultralight Flying and wanted to
know how the two aicraft compare. The other people may have ripped of Kolb.
I don't know. Thats not the question.
I have read the information on this group for month's. Its good for the most
part but, when one person gets bent out of shape over a question....
You are entitled to you opinion.
bob
>From: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:08:48 -0400
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
>
>The question is,
>When is the Kolb going to get a nose wheel. Just don't have a heart attack!
>bob
>
>
>>From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a question
>>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:47:45 -0400
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>The Ferguson is a rip-off of the Kolb design. There was no compensation or
>>recognition for the ideas stolen from Kolb in the design of the Ferguson.
>>As such that plane is considered a F word on this list. Please don't ask
>>about that plane on this list.
>>
>>If you would like to ask about a Kolb we would be happy to answer any
>>questions you have.
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>Rick Neilsen
>>Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: BOB BROCKMAN
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:13 AM
>> Subject: Kolb-List: a question
>>
>>
>> Being a new guy, my question is concerning an aircraft similar to a
>>Kolb.
>> Can anyone tell me about an airplane called the Ferguson FX -4-2?
>> I would appreciate any comments regarding the aircraft.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> bob
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
David,
Glad you survived that one. It ain't exclusive to the UL-ies though.
Had a friend drop off a passenger from a river trip in Utah at McCarran.
Climbed back in the Cessna 206, fired it up and a blade went sailing.
Said it was like riding a horizontal eggbeater until he shut it down in
a hurry.
Contending with all-day rain here in the desertland of NM. So am home
computer hangar flying. Do folks fly Kolbs in the rain? Thinking of
taxiing mine just to wash off the wings.
jsf
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----- Original Message -----
From: David Lehman
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Need new Prop
Well, there's a Warp Drive prop somewhere West of Chowchilla, CA... I
think it ended up in a corn field... Prop shaft (belt drive) broke
On 9/2/06, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy"
<planecrazzzy@yahoo.com >
I've noticed most guys "lean" towards a bigger dia.
I have a 503 w/ 68" IVO ( Firestar II )
Guys...?
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
John,
Any time in a Kolb is a good time. Even washing the wings in the rain... gee,
that actually sounds like fun!
But be warned... dont play with your Kolb in strong winds! I did last Sunday,
after a really cool flight with Steve G in his Mk III on Saturday, I left my
Firestar out, tied down overnight. Sunday came a blistering windy day... so I
moved her to the trailer... but not before I was knocked over by a gust, raked
my shin against the ramp door in my haste, now its swollen, infected, and lordy
I hope the doc does not want to amputate!
But then again, if thats the price I have to pay for some Kolb fun, it was worth
every penny!
Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar 2 503
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"john s. flannery" <jsflan@valornet.com> wrote:
David,
Glad you survived that one. It ain't exclusive to the UL-ies though.
Had a friend drop off a passenger from a river trip in Utah at McCarran. Climbed
back in the Cessna 206, fired it up and a blade went sailing. Said it was
like riding a horizontal eggbeater until he shut it down in a hurry.
Contending with all-day rain here in the desertland of NM. So am home computer
hangar flying. Do folks fly Kolbs in the rain? Thinking of taxiing mine just
to wash off the wings.
jsf
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----- Original Message -----
From: David Lehman
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Need new Prop
Well, there's a Warp Drive prop somewhere West of Chowchilla, CA... I think
it ended up in a corn field... Prop shaft (belt drive) broke
On 9/2/06, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote: --> Kolb-List message
posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com >
I've noticed most guys "lean" towards a bigger dia.
I have a 503 w/ 68" IVO ( Firestar II )
Guys...?
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
Mike
I am nursing jammed or broken big toe following multiple gout sessions.
Soaks in Epsom's Salt may help. Don't know where you are but friends
swear by soaks in creosote/chaparral/greasewood, whatever you ant to
call it tea for infections. Abundant here in he desert. Good luck
The rain worked well on the red beast, followed by a toweling after
pushback into hangar and rain is still coming down. First day we have
had density altitude under 6,000 feet.
jsf
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Schnabel
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Need new Prop
John,
Any time in a Kolb is a good time. Even washing the wings in the
rain... gee, that actually sounds like fun!
But be warned... don't play with your Kolb in strong winds! I did last
Sunday, after a really cool flight with Steve G in his Mk III on
Saturday, I left my Firestar out, tied down overnight. Sunday came a
blistering windy day... so I moved her to the trailer... but not before
I was knocked over by a gust, raked my shin against the ramp door in my
haste, now its swollen, infected, and lordy I hope the doc does not want
to amputate!
But then again, if that's the price I have to pay for some Kolb fun,
it was worth every penny!
Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar 2 503
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"john s. flannery" <jsflan@valornet.com> wrote:
David,
Glad you survived that one. It ain't exclusive to the UL-ies though.
Had a friend drop off a passenger from a river trip in Utah at
McCarran.
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
Hi David,
Which belt redrive was it? I'd suspect the redrive, and switch
to the proper gearbox. Haven't heard of any GB's letting the prop
depart the aircraft.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lehman
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Need new Prop
Two blade... And remember this is a belt drive, not a gearbox...
DVD
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Seamus Jones" <seamusrjones@hotmail.com>
Thanks for alll the insight on my prop purchase...........I bought this Mark
III (Miss B) from Bob Brocious in Kentucky who not only sold me a great
plane but threw in some sound advice for free, this Kolb-list being one of
them. Thanks again for the responses and thanks in advance for future
responses I will have as a new rookie Kolb owner.
Shay J.
>From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need new Prop
>Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:57:45 -0400
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
>Go with an Ivo 2 blade, 68", and you will have a good prop and a smooth
>flight, and good performance. That is the combination I am using on mine.
>After trying several Warp Drive, Ivo and Kiev Hot Prop options, an Ivo 2
>blade 68" prop gives the best overall compromise between a great climb and
>a great cruise for a MKIII with a 582 with a B box, 2.58:1 ratio. Be sure
>you get the hub extension. And you may need to make up some motor mount
>extensions to raise your engine about an inch higher to get sufficient
>clearance between the prop and the main tube.
>If you get the Ivo 66" three blade, you will get more acceleration from a
>standing start, (it will be awesome out of the hole) but I will pretty much
>match you on climb, and outrun you top end. And at cruise, I will be about
>three or four hundred RPM less than you for a given airspeed. You don't
>want that. You want an engine that runs at less than 75% power at cruise,
>which is 5600 rpm or less, and you won't get that with what you are
>currently planning. Guess how I know this? (Been there, done that, the
>T-shirt is in the rag box...)
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>Seamus Jones wrote:
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Seamus Jones" <seamusrjones@hotmail.com>
>>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I have recently purchased a 2003 Kolb Mark III with a Rotax 582, B gearbox
>>with 2,58 gear ratio Minus a prop. Needles to say I'm in the market for a
>>new one. I researched some and have narrowed my selection down to the IVO
>>66" 3 blade prop. However, \I would like any wisdom anyone would share
>>on the subject.
>>
>>Thank You for your time,
>>
>>Shay Jones
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" <jsflan@valornet.com>
Ya dub gud. Would love to have BB's beautiful bird.
jsf
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Seamus Jones" <seamusrjones@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need new Prop
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Seamus Jones" <seamusrjones@hotmail.com>
>
> Thanks for alll the insight on my prop purchase...........I bought this
> Mark III (Miss B) from Bob Brocious
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
At 12:01 AM 9/3/2006, you wrote:
>Well, there's a Warp Drive prop somewhere West of Chowchilla,
>CA... I think it ended up in a corn field... Prop shaft (belt
>drive) broke forward of the hub and the hub and prop departed my 503
>Firestar at about 1000' taking the right aileron spar/torque tube with it...
Never seen a 503 Firestar with a "belt drive" - what's it look like?
Who's idea was that?
But, then again, I don't get out much.
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
JSF;
How long have you waited to actually use the term,
"pushback" in a sentence concerning the operation
of an ultralight.
P.S.; LMAO
George
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
All day... :-)
Actually since I bought the Kolb tailwheel with the detente after other
poorly designed not-Kolb tailwheel broke.
PS CIAO
jsf
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----- Original Message -----
From: George Bass
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 4:27 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Need new Prop
JSF;
How long have you waited to actually use the term,
"pushback" in a sentence concerning the operation
of an ultralight.
P.S.; LMAO
George
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| Subject: | Re: Need new Prop |
>
>
> Never seen a 503 Firestar with a "belt drive" - what's it look like?
> Who's idea was that?
>
> But, then again, I don't get out much.
>
Apparently they got supplied with Challenger kits at one time.
Hegar drives.
http://www.adventureaviation.org/CH_For_Sale.html
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| Subject: | firestar ll flys very good... |
hello gang,
the firestar ll flys very well, got it in some stable air and did some
stalls and slow flight...stall recovery was quick and handled very well. I must
admit i can see why you fellows like the Kolb. shot some take off and
landings and greased in one that showed me how it should be done. need to do some
more flying with it, but I am sure that it is a keeper. Grandsone kendall
agrees and is already planning on a 2 place, stepson matt is interested in
learning to fly and thinks it is something he wants to try and get involved with.
I have been leading them towards a Kolbra with a 4 stroke. At any rate we
are very happy with the firestar ll and i will be putting some more time on it
early in the morning. thanks again to all of you who have put up with our
questions.
jwan firestar ll 503
michigan
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