---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/09/06: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:43 AM - Re: aft W & B (David Lucas) 2. 05:11 AM - Re: Powers Oregon Fly-in (robert bean) 3. 05:23 AM - Cessna's new jet ski? (David Key) 4. 05:39 AM - Re: Powers Oregon Fly-in (John Hauck) 5. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: aft W & B (russ kinne) 6. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: aft W & B (David Lehman) 7. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: aft W & B (Richard Pike) 8. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: aft W & B (John Hauck) 9. 09:39 AM - ANR Headsets (David Key) 10. 09:43 AM - Re: ANR Headsets (Robert Laird) 11. 10:47 AM - Re: ANR Headsets (John Hauck) 12. 11:06 AM - Re: ANR Headsets (john s. flannery) 13. 12:27 PM - hot dogs for lunch (robert bean) 14. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: aft W & B (Bob Noyer) 15. 12:51 PM - Re: ANR Headsets (john s. flannery) 16. 01:25 PM - Re: hot dogs for lunch (Larry Bourne) 17. 01:30 PM - Re: ANR Headsets (John Hauck) 18. 03:07 PM - Re: hot dogs for lunch (Ralph Hoover) 19. 03:09 PM - Re: hot dogs for lunch (planecrazzzy) 20. 03:10 PM - Re: Powers Oregon Fly-in (Ralph Hoover) 21. 03:18 PM - Re: hot dogs for lunch (Ralph Hoover) 22. 03:28 PM - Re: Re: aft W & B (Steven Green) 23. 04:55 PM - The 503 Blues... (David Lehman) 24. 05:41 PM - Re: The 503 Blues... (Richard Girard) 25. 05:46 PM - Re: The 503 Blues... (Richard Girard) 26. 05:49 PM - Roger in Oregon (Arksey@aol.com) 27. 05:54 PM - Re: hot dogs for lunch (Larry Bourne) 28. 05:58 PM - Re: ANR Headsets () 29. 06:00 PM - Re: The 503 Blues... (David.Lehman) 30. 06:16 PM - Re: hot dogs for lunch (ron wehba) 31. 06:42 PM - Re: The 503 Blues... (HShack@aol.com) 32. 06:48 PM - Re: The 503 Blues... (David.Lehman) 33. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: The 503 Blues...GET THE 447 (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 34. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: The 503 Blues...GET THE 447 (David Lehman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:01 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: aft W & B From: "David Lucas" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lucas" > So in the context of W & B what do you suppose would be the consequence of a cracked prop finally giving up the good fight and sending part of itself off into space? And if it, by the imbalance created, took the O-200 and a portion or all of the engine mount with it? > Had a friend years back who was flying a BN-2 Islander which had the 260HP Lycoming O-540. It threw a prop blade during cruise flight, fortunately away from the airframe and not into it. The resulting vibration was so violent that in the few seconds that it took to realize what had happened and shut the engine down, the engine had ripped itself out of its mounts and only the cowling was holding it ! So fortunately for him, the weight and balance part of the equation remained the same. One can only hypothesise what the effect would have been if gravity had won over the remaining strength of the cowling. The remaining engine got them to the closest suitable field where he landed safely. A mid mounted engine departing the airframe in flight might just be controlable.... maybe, if it was close to the C of G in the first place and you reacted quickly enough, and no other collateral damage resulted, etc (a lot of 'if's). I think that an airframe with a nose mounted engine loss would be catastrophic. Totally uncontrolable. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60552#60552 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:41 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Powers Oregon Fly-in --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean What beautiful scenery! From the looks of those hills, ability to climb would be important. Not many get to do a weekend like that. -BB do not archive On 9, Sep 2006, at 12:48 AM, R. Hankins wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" > > Well I finally did it. I found a way to fit my camping gear into my > KXP and flew to a fly-in instead of trailering. Spent Saturday and > Sunday nights under the wing in perfect comfort. There were 13 other > ultralights (and no one else) on the field. On Sunday, we all flew > into HalfMoon Bar, a remote lodge down in the wild and scenic section > of the Rogue River Canyon. It is only accessible by white-water raft, > jetboat or aircraft. One of our party broke a landing gear fitting on > his Thundergull while landing. Bill, the lodge manager graciously > allowed me to use his acetylene outfit to weld it back up and we all > flew out safely. The KXP climb put all the other planes to shame. It > is trips like these that really show the ability of our little planes. > I've attached some air and ground shots of the lodge. What a great > weekend. > > -------- > Roger in Oregon > 1992 KXP 503 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60524#60524 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fltln_918.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/halfmnbr_172.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tractorstar_193.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/highbar_211.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:59 AM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: Kolb-List: Cessna's new jet ski? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" Cessna was testing a new jet ski. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V06LBgfuxgA Not Kolb Related but flying related do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:31 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Powers Oregon Fly-in --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" The KXP climb put all the other planes to shame. It is trips like these that really show the ability of our little planes. I've attached some air and ground shots of the lodge. What a great weekend. | | -------- | Roger in Oregon Morning Roger: Thanks for sharing the photos. Beautiful place, and exciting too. Hope to make that one, one of these days. Lots more water and trees on that side of the state. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:26 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: aft W & B Does anyone remember the "Mooney Mite" ? tiny single seater, with I'm told a wooden firewall. Long ago, at altitude one day over Cape Cod the engine, prop & mount departed the aircraft -- wow, talk about 'losing an engine'! The pilot found that if he leaned waaaay foward, and kept the speed above 110, it was controllable - just. He managed to land it safely. I've never been able to verify this but I do believe it happened more or less as reported. Praps some of you computer-whizzes can research this & get some details? It's beyond my meager skills. Losing the engine like that on a Kolb would give you a forward CG problem, not an aft one ; but might be workable.(I'd hate to try it) You'd need tons of speed & full up-elevators and LOL too -- Russ Kinne On Sep 9, 2006, at 7:42 AM, David Lucas wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lucas" > > >> So in the context of W & B what do you suppose would be the >> consequence of a cracked prop finally giving up the good fight and >> sending part of itself off into space? And if it, by the imbalance >> created, took the O-200 and a portion or all of the engine mount >> with it? >> > > > Had a friend years back who was flying a BN-2 Islander which had > the 260HP Lycoming O-540. It threw a prop blade during cruise > flight, fortunately away from the airframe and not into it. The > resulting vibration was so violent that in the few seconds that it > took to realize what had happened and shut the engine down, the > engine had ripped itself out of its mounts and only the cowling was > holding it ! So fortunately for him, the weight and balance part > of the equation remained the same. One can only hypothesise what > the effect would have been if gravity had won over the remaining > strength of the cowling. The remaining engine got them to the > closest suitable field where he landed safely. > > A mid mounted engine departing the airframe in flight might just be > controlable.... maybe, if it was close to the C of G in the first > place and you reacted quickly enough, and no other collateral > damage resulted, etc (a lot of 'if's). I think that an airframe > with a nose mounted engine loss would be catastrophic. Totally > uncontrolable. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60552#60552 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:43 AM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: aft W & B I had a Mite, serial #29, 65 Lycoming... They had metal firewalls (CAA requirement)... The Mite had a tubular cage (metal skinned) with a wooden monocoque fuselage, wood wings and tail... DVD On 9/9/06, russ kinne wrote: > > Does anyone remember the "Mooney Mite" ? tiny single seater, with I'm > told a wooden firewall. Long ago, at altitude one day over Cape Cod the > engine, prop & mount departed the aircraft -- wow, talk about 'losing an > engine'! The pilot found that if he leaned waaaay foward, and kept the sp eed > above 110, it was controllable - just. He managed to land it safely. I've > never been able to verify this but I do believe it happened more or less as > reported. Praps some of you computer-whizzes can research this & get some > details? It's beyond my meager skills. > Losing the engine like that on a Kolb would give you a forward CG problem , > not an aft one ; but might be workable.(I'd hate to try it) You'd need to ns > of speed & full up-elevators and LOL too -- > > > Russ Kinne > > > On Sep 9, 2006, at 7:42 AM, David Lucas wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lucas" > > > So in the context of W & B what do you suppose would be the consequence o f > a cracked prop finally giving up the good fight and sending part of itsel f > off into space? And if it, by the imbalance created, took the O-200 and a > portion or all of the engine mount with it? > > > Had a friend years back who was flying a BN-2 Islander which had the > 260HP Lycoming O-540. It threw a prop blade during cruise flight, > fortunately away from the airframe and not into it. The resulting vibrati on > was so violent that in the few seconds that it took to realize what had > happened and shut the engine down, the engine had ripped itself out of it s > mounts and only the cowling was holding it ! So fortunately for him, the > weight and balance part of the equation remained the same. One can only > hypothesise what the effect would have been if gravity had won over the > remaining strength of the cowling. The remaining engine got them to the > closest suitable field where he landed safely. > > > A mid mounted engine departing the airframe in flight might just be > controlable.... maybe, if it was close to the C of G in the first place a nd > you reacted quickly enough, and no other collateral damage resulted, etc (a > lot of 'if's). I think that an airframe with a nose mounted engine loss > would be catastrophic. Totally uncontrolable. > > > Read this topic online here: > > > - The Kolb-List Email Forum - > --> > - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > --> - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > --> - List Contribution Web Site - > Thank you for your generous support! > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"... ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:40 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: aft W & B --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Don't remember the incident with the Mite, but I do remember one with a Swift, in 1976. There is a reference to it on this page, but no details. http://www.napanet.net/~arbeau/swift/print.htm Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive russ kinne wrote: > Does anyone remember the "Mooney Mite" ? tiny single seater, with I'm > told a wooden firewall. Long ago, at altitude one day over Cape Cod > the engine, prop & mount departed the aircraft -- wow, talk about > 'losing an engine'! The pilot found that if he leaned waaaay foward, > and kept the speed above 110, it was controllable - just. He managed > to land it safely. > I've never been able to verify this but I do believe it happened more > or less as reported. Praps some of you computer-whizzes can research > this & get some details? It's beyond my meager skills. > Losing the engine like that on a Kolb would give you a forward CG > problem, not an aft one ; but might be workable.(I'd hate to try it) > You'd need tons of speed & full up-elevators and LOL too -- > > Russ Kinne > > > On Sep 9, 2006, at 7:42 AM, David Lucas wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lucas" > > >> >> >>> So in the context of W & B what do you suppose would be the >>> consequence of a cracked prop finally giving up the good fight and >>> sending part of itself off into space? And if it, by the imbalance >>> created, took the O-200 and a portion or all of the engine mount >>> with it? >>> >> >> >> Had a friend years back who was flying a BN-2 Islander which had the >> 260HP Lycoming O-540. It threw a prop blade during cruise flight, >> fortunately away from the airframe and not into it. The resulting >> vibration was so violent that in the few seconds that it took to >> realize what had happened and shut the engine down, the engine had >> ripped itself out of its mounts and only the cowling was holding it >> ! So fortunately for him, the weight and balance part of the >> equation remained the same. One can only hypothesise what the effect >> would have been if gravity had won over the remaining strength of the >> cowling. The remaining engine got them to the closest suitable field >> where he landed safely. >> >> A mid mounted engine departing the airframe in flight might just be >> controlable.... maybe, if it was close to the C of G in the first >> place and you reacted quickly enough, and no other collateral damage >> resulted, etc (a lot of 'if's). I think that an airframe with a nose >> mounted engine loss would be catastrophic. Totally uncontrolable. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - The Kolb-List Email Forum - >> --> >> - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> --> >> - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >> --> - List Contribution Web Site - >> Thank you for your generous support! >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:54 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: aft W & B --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | | Richard Pike No record in NTSB narratives. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:05 AM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: Kolb-List: ANR Headsets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" Yes another mistake... I spared nothing to get the quietest headset money can buy. The LightSpeed 30-3g for $600. http://www.anrheadsets.com/products30-3g.asp I have been putting up with them for about 10 hours. Yesterday I called the company and discussed the impossible noise level with them. The guy I talked to said that ANR headsets in a Kolb environment is not a good choice and that the $150 dollar headsets might do better for this application. Well I had purchased some of those several years ago for a passenger/spare set and tried them out, wonderfull. I can hear the tower clearly now. The Lightspeed company is taking the expensive ones back and sending me another set of the cheap ones and refunding the remainder. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:32 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR Headsets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" I think you're referring to the Cross-Country's... I have those... and they are great. My brother has a real expensive "GA" ANR headset, too, and he prefers mine, too. -- R On 9/9/06, David Key wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" > > Yes another mistake... > > I spared nothing to get the quietest headset money can buy. The LightSpeed > 30-3g for $600. > http://www.anrheadsets.com/products30-3g.asp > > I have been putting up with them for about 10 hours. Yesterday I called the > company and discussed the impossible noise level with them. The guy I talked > to said that ANR headsets in a Kolb environment is not a good choice and > that the $150 dollar headsets might do better for this application. > > Well I had purchased some of those several years ago for a passenger/spare > set and tried them out, wonderfull. I can hear the tower clearly now. The > Lightspeed company is taking the expensive ones back and sending me another > set of the cheap ones and refunding the remainder. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:41 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR Headsets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" David: Can't go wrong with the DRE-6000 ANR for 275.00 or 280.00. I bought a set last year and never looked back. They are wonderful. I had gotten to the point I could not hear and understand on the DC 10-40. Thought it was my radio, then thought it was John Williamson's radio. Turned out to be a deaf old guy that could not overcome the outside noise. john h mkIII PS: Bought a set of Lite Speed ANR many years ago. Went through the same problem you experienced. Some things never change. ;-) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:06 AM PST US From: "john s. flannery" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR Headsets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" I'll let you know how I make out with cheapies new from South Korea for about $80 including shipping with five-year warranty, and a nice guy handling the sales and shipment.. Should be here next week. Wanted Pilot 17-79 but even on eBay used they were more then triple what the budget allowed. Haven't hardwired the handheld in yet. Other mechanical rectifications take priority over talking. j ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Key" Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: Kolb-List: ANR Headsets > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" > > Yes another mistake... > > I spared nothing to get the quietest headset money can buy. The LightSpeed > 30-3g for $600. > http://www.anrheadsets.com/products30-3g.asp > > I have been putting up with them for about 10 hours. Yesterday I called > the company and discussed the impossible noise level with them. The guy I > talked to said that ANR headsets in a Kolb environment is not a good > choice and that the $150 dollar headsets might do better for this > application. > > Well I had purchased some of those several years ago for a passenger/spare > set and tried them out, wonderfull. I can hear the tower clearly now. The > Lightspeed company is taking the expensive ones back and sending me > another set of the cheap ones and refunding the remainder. > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:00 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: hot dogs for lunch Thom Riddle and I met halfway this morning at a picnic at Bethany Airpark, best little airport not on a sectional. Not sure I got Thom's best side, standing by his Allegro. BB do not archive DSCN0847.JPG ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:14 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: aft W & B Early 60's(?) a Thorp builder nicked his prop tips when masking/ painting. Threw a pc of blade, engine came loose/off and plane crashed, falality. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:45 PM PST US From: "john s. flannery" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR Headsets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" Believe it or not, they were ordered end of week and arrived minutes ago. Feather Lite Headset black, $79 with shipping included, from Graham Services Inc Wellston Oklahoma. George was super nice and hopefully they'll live up to his service. His phone is 405 258-4165 Feel warm, no case, but they are going into the Kolb right away anyhow. I'll let you know if they are okay. jsf do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Laird" Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR Headsets > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" > > I think you're referring to the Cross-Country's... I have those... and > they are great. My brother has a real expensive "GA" ANR headset, > too, and he prefers mine, too. > > -- R > > > On 9/9/06, David Key wrote: >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" >> >> Yes another mistake... >> >> I spared nothing to get the quietest headset money can buy. The >> LightSpeed >> 30-3g for $600. >> http://www.anrheadsets.com/products30-3g.asp >> >> I have been putting up with them for about 10 hours. Yesterday I called >> the >> company and discussed the impossible noise level with them. The guy I >> talked >> to said that ANR headsets in a Kolb environment is not a good choice and >> that the $150 dollar headsets might do better for this application. >> >> Well I had purchased some of those several years ago for a >> passenger/spare >> set and tried them out, wonderfull. I can hear the tower clearly now. The >> Lightspeed company is taking the expensive ones back and sending me >> another >> set of the cheap ones and refunding the remainder. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:38 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: hot dogs for lunch --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Yah, I can sorta make out the direction he's facing, but ya made it too small for us old farts. You're having too much fun with that little plane. I'm having trouble dragging myself out into the heat and humidity to work on Vamoose. Maybe later. Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bean" Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Kolb-List: hot dogs for lunch > Thom Riddle and I met halfway this morning at a picnic at > Bethany Airpark, best little airport not on a sectional. > > Not sure I got Thom's best side, standing by his Allegro. > BB > do not archive > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > DSCN0847.JPG > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:48 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR Headsets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" John F: Don't know if you fly with glasses or not. If you do, like a lot of us senior citizens, it is imperative that there are no air leaks around the stems or anywhere else on the ear seals. When I got my STE-6000 head set, the temper foam seals would not seal around my ears and glass stems. Swapped a pair of the liquid gel seals off my old DC 10-40 set, and the deed was done. Works like a champ. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:02 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: hot dogs for lunch From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" I think you did get Thoms best side. But like Lar said, It would be better to have a larger picture, as that side fits a lot of individuals on this site. Including me! I can't believe that he met you caues you was buying a hot dog. Man, he is really a cheap date! Ohio Ralph willing to visit for a steak! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60648#60648 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:06 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: hot dogs for lunch From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Hi Bob, How far was the trip...? I like flying when I'm "headed" somewhere....rather than just wandering around... Hey Big Lar, Maybe we should "sick" the Drill Sargent on you....(Ralph) He'd have you out there "sweat'n bullets" and gittin that plane in the air... The gears have gotta be turning since Vamoose seems to be running good...... Come on Big Lar...Pick it up and put it down ( then do it again ) Gotta Fly... Mike in MN .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60649#60649 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:42 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Powers Oregon Fly-in From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" Roger, Thank you for sharing those pictures and your adventure. That is what dreams are made of and certanly what every Kolber would love to do deep in the back of their mind. Its obvious to us flat landers that you mountain boys trust your equipment a great deal. We have farm fields galore, but you got ..........trees! Man, just to hard for my little mind to ponder. thanks again. Ohio Ralph Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60650#60650 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:23 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: hot dogs for lunch From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" Planecrazzy, I'd have you squealing like a pig and lookin good in them doggy ear protectors! And you would be happy after only 200 push-ups! So how is the "Capin" and his crew at the frog site? Hope you and doggy are enjoying them ear muffs, Watch the cartalidge in his ears when you put on them muffs. O ho O Ralph! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60652#60652 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:45 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: aft W & B --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" This was a local TV personality Mort Lloyd. His son has a big part in organizing airshows at the Chattanooga airport. Steven NTSB Identification: IAD75AI008 14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation Event occurred Tuesday, August 20, 1974 in MANCHESTER, TN Aircraft: GLOBE GC-1B, registration: N3716K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE--------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------3-3030 74/8/20 MANCHESTER,TENN GLOBE GC-1B CR- 1 0 0 NONCOMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL, AGE 44, 3077 TIME - 1145 N3716K PX- 0 0 0 PLEASURE/PERSONAL TRANSP TOTAL HOURS, UNK/NR IN DAMAGE-SUBSTANTIAL OT- 0 0 0 TYPE, INSTRUMENT RATED. DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION CHATTANOOGA,TENN SHELLBYVILLE,TENN TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION PROPELLER/ROTOR FAILURE: PROPELLER IN FLIGHT: NORMAL CRUISE COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: UNCONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: UNCONTROLLED DESCENT PROBABLE CAUSE(S) POWERPLANT - PROPELLER AND ACCESSORIES: HUBS MISCELLANEOUS ACTS,CONDITIONS - FATIGUE FRACTURE FACTOR(S) MISCELLANEOUS ACTS,CONDITIONS - SEPARATION IN FLIGHT REMARKS- PROP HUB SERIAL NR 63874 MODEL 2D34C53 FAILED APRX 2IN FM CLAMP ASMBLY STRAP.PROP AND ENG SPRTD. > > No record in NTSB narratives. > > john h > mkIII > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:28 PM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Kolb-List: The 503 Blues... Now that I'm removing my single carb., points ignition, no provision, belt drive 503 prop remover, I'm looking for some experienced advice... My Firestar is a 5 rib wing, early bird... Has anyone experienced going from a 447 to the single carb., points ignition 503, or visa verse?... What's the bottom line in performance loss/gain?... I realize that there i s approximately 7 HP difference, but the 447 weighs less... I also realize that the 447 consumes less fuel, so theoretically I wouldn't need to carry as much fuel, but real life is that I'd still fill the tank... I like the performance with the SC 503 and I don't really need a 503 DCDI, but I definitely want a gearbox... Thanx... David -- "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"... ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:02 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The 503 Blues... David, Here's a suggestion I picked up from a shop with 25+ years in Rotax sales and service. If your 503 is running, leave it on the airplane and advertise it for sale. A prospective buyer will be able to see and hear it run. The shop owner claimed he averaged 20% more in sale price doing this rather than just having an engine on a stand. Rick On 9/9/06, David Lehman wrote: > > Now that I'm removing my single carb., points ignition, no provision, bel t > drive 503 prop remover, I'm looking for some experienced advice... > > My Firestar is a 5 rib wing, early bird... Has anyone experienced going > from a 447 to the single carb., points ignition 503, or visa verse?... > What's the bottom line in performance loss/gain?... I realize that there is > approximately 7 HP difference, but the 447 weighs less... I also realize > that the 447 consumes less fuel, so theoretically I wouldn't need to carr y > as much fuel, but real life is that I'd still fill the tank... > > I like the performance with the SC 503 and I don't really need a 503 DCDI , > but I definitely want a gearbox... > > Thanx... > > David > > > -- > "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"... > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:23 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The 503 Blues... David, Here's a suggestion I picked up from a shop with 25+ years in Rotax sales and service. If your 503 is running, leave it on the airplane and advertise it for sale. A prospective buyer will be able to see and hear it run. The shop owner claimed he averaged 20% more in sale price doing this rather than just having an engine on a stand. Rick On 9/9/06, David Lehman wrote: > > Now that I'm removing my single carb., points ignition, no provision, bel t > drive 503 prop remover, I'm looking for some experienced advice... > > My Firestar is a 5 rib wing, early bird... Has anyone experienced going > from a 447 to the single carb., points ignition 503, or visa verse?... > What's the bottom line in performance loss/gain?... I realize that there is > approximately 7 HP difference, but the 447 weighs less... I also realize > that the 447 consumes less fuel, so theoretically I wouldn't need to carr y > as much fuel, but real life is that I'd still fill the tank... > > I like the performance with the SC 503 and I don't really need a 503 DCDI , > but I definitely want a gearbox... > > Thanx... > > David > > > -- > "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"... > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:47 PM PST US From: Arksey@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Roger in Oregon Roger, Thanks for posting the pics...sure nice country, looks like not many places for forced landings. Your kolb looks good with the tent under the wing...good for you... jswan FS II MI ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:25 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: hot dogs for lunch --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Here we go again. Thought I was replying to a personal message and didn't even look at the return address. Sorry all. Do not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: hot dogs for lunch > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > Yah, I can sorta make out the direction he's facing, but ya made it too ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:59 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR Headsets --> Kolb-List message posted by: Try a set of RAD headsets and intercom. They work great in a Titan, and that's a real test! __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: The 503 Blues... From: "David.Lehman" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" [quote="jindoguy(at)gmail.com"]David, Here's a suggestion I picked up from a shop with 25+ years in Rotax sales and service. If your 503 is running, leave it on the airplane and advertise it for sale. A prospective buyer will be able to see and hear it run. The shop owner claimed he averaged 20% more in sale price doing this rather than just having an engine on a stand. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. > [b] Rick... Makes a lot of sense, but my prop/hub broke off in flight and I don't know what gopher/rattlesnake has it now... I ran the engine, sans prop, in the field after I landed and it ran fine, but that only proves that it didn't sieze, not what it will do under load... Thanx for the advice... DVD do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60680#60680 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:35 PM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: hot dogs for lunch --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" hi larry,,,, ron in texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: hot dogs for lunch > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > Here we go again. Thought I was replying to a personal message and didn't > even look at the return address. Sorry all. Do not > Archive. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Bourne" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:25 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: hot dogs for lunch > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" >> >> Yah, I can sorta make out the direction he's facing, but ya made it too > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:02 PM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The 503 Blues... In a message dated 9/9/2006 7:56:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, david@davidlehman.net writes: My Firestar is a 5 rib wing, early bird... Has anyone experienced going from a 447 to the single carb., points ignition 503, or visa verse?... What's the bottom line in performance loss/gain?... There was a guy at our field who had a bird like yours but with a 377; the pilot was about 190 & he could outclimb FS II's with a 503 DCDI. I would go with the 447. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:32 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: The 503 Blues... From: "David.Lehman" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" [quote="HShack(at)aol.com"]In a message dated 9/9/2006 7:56:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, david@davidlehman.net writes: > My Firestar is a 5 rib wing, early bird... Has anyone experienced going from a 447 to the single carb., points ignition 503, or visa verse?... What's the bottom line in performance loss/gain?... There was a guy at our field who had a bird like yours but with a 377; the pilot was about 190 & he could outclimb FS II's with a 503 DCDI. I would go with the 447. Howard Shackleford FS II SC > [b] Thanx Howard, it kinda makes sense... I'm leaning towards the 447... DVD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60690#60690 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:08 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: The 503 Blues...GET THE 447 David I fly with a 447 on a Firestar and it just sips fuel for the preformance and I have 400 untouched hours on it and still going great but I purchased a NEW engine another 447 with electronic ignition instead of Points this time but not in any hurry to install it yet because of its realiablity its a great little engine Properly maintained my 2 cents worth its my story and Im stickin to it do not archive Ellery in Original Firestar 447 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:01 PM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: The 503 Blues...GET THE 447 Thanx Ellery... Have you tried it on the floats yet... DVD On 9/9/06, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote: > > *David > I fly with a 447 on a Firestar and it just sips fuel for the preformance > and I have 400 untouched hours on it and still going great > but I purchased a NEW engine another 447 with electronic ignition > instead of Points this time but not in any hurry to install it yet > because of its realiablity its a great little engine Properly maintained > > my 2 cents worth > its my story and Im stickin to it > > do not archive Ellery in Original Firestar 447* > > * > * > > -- "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"...