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1. 04:24 AM - Re: Re: Powers Oregon Fly-in (john s. flannery)
2. 05:55 AM - Re: Re: aft W & B (Mike Schnabel)
3. 05:58 AM - Re: hot dogs for lunch (Thom Riddle)
4. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Powers Oregon Fly-in (David Lehman)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: The 503 Blues...GET THE 447 (N27SB@aol.com)
6. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: hot dogs for lunch (Larry Bourne)
7. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: The 503 Blues...GET THE 447 (David Lehman)
8. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Flying Rivers (pat ladd)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: The 503 Blues... (John Jung)
10. 12:51 PM - New Kolber (Kenanddenice@aol.com)
11. 01:14 PM - New Kolber (Lanny Fetterman)
12. 04:11 PM - Re: New Kolber (The BaronVonEvil)
13. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: aft W & B (russ kinne)
14. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: aft W & B (David Lehman)
15. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: aft W & B (john s. flannery)
16. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: aft W & B (john s. flannery)
17. 08:06 PM - Re: ANR Headsets (Ed Chmielewski)
18. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: aft W & B (Ed Chmielewski)
19. 09:13 PM - Re: Re: aft W & B aka Mites (Bob Noyer)
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| Subject: | Re: Powers Oregon Fly-in |
Ralph,
Where there aren't trees, we have some other eat-you terrain. This is
typical. Of course here there's a real good paved landing strip except for
the cattle guard.
Engine out once in stuff like this on the airport here in Sierra County NM
in an N-3 Pup. Not a scratch thanks to that big Piper wing and 28 mph stall
speed, but haven't found enough time or money to rebuild that little
255-pounder which saved my butt.
jsf
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com>
> Its obvious to us flat landers that you mountain boys trust your equipment
> a great deal. We have farm fields galore, but you got ..........trees!
>
> Ohio Ralph
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60650#60650
>
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Thanks Steven, good info. Also, Morts, tragic crash happened on his way to celebrate
a victorious election to congress in '74 after many years in the broadcasting
bussiness. But the story does not end there, his wife took his place after
that crash, and went on to a 20 career in politics. Always an interesting story
behind every tragic event.
Mike S
Manchester TN
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Steven Green <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green"
This was a local TV personality Mort Lloyd. His son has a big part in
organizing airshows at the Chattanooga airport.
Steven
NTSB Identification: IAD75AI008
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Tuesday, August 20, 1974 in MANCHESTER, TN
Aircraft: GLOBE GC-1B, registration: N3716K
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------ FILE DATE
LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT
PILOT DATA F
S M/N
PURPOSE---------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------3-3030 74/8/20
MANCHESTER,TENN GLOBE GC-1B CR- 1 0 0 NONCOMMERCIAL
COMMERCIAL, AGE 44, 3077 TIME - 1145 N3716K
PX- 0 0 0 PLEASURE/PERSONAL TRANSP TOTAL HOURS, UNK/NR IN
DAMAGE-SUBSTANTIAL OT- 0 0 0 TYPE, INSTRUMENT
RATED. DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION
CHATTANOOGA,TENN SHELLBYVILLE,TENN TYPE OF ACCIDENT
PHASE OF OPERATION PROPELLER/ROTOR FAILURE: PROPELLER
IN FLIGHT: NORMAL CRUISE COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: UNCONTROLLED
IN FLIGHT: UNCONTROLLED DESCENT PROBABLE CAUSE(S)
POWERPLANT - PROPELLER AND ACCESSORIES: HUBS MISCELLANEOUS
ACTS,CONDITIONS - FATIGUE FRACTURE FACTOR(S) MISCELLANEOUS
ACTS,CONDITIONS - SEPARATION IN FLIGHT REMARKS- PROP HUB SERIAL NR
63874 MODEL 2D34C53 FAILED APRX 2IN FM CLAMP ASMBLY STRAP.PROP AND ENG
SPRTD.
>
> No record in NTSB narratives.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: hot dogs for lunch |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Okay guys. Here are a couple more pictures, one of Bob and his MkIII and the other
of my other side, neither side is much to look at but the plane is nice. And
the original photo but bigger for the "hard of seeing" among us.
This was a bring-a-dish affair, so Bob brought baked Beans (what else?) and I brought
my appetite.
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| Subject: | Re: Powers Oregon Fly-in |
Nice picture(s) John...
Land looks pretty unforgiving...
Thanx...
DVD
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On 9/10/06, john s. flannery <jsflan@valornet.com> wrote:
>
> Ralph,
> Where there aren't trees, we have some other eat-you terrain. This is
> typical. Of course here there's a real good paved landing strip except fo
r
> the cattle guard.
>
> Engine out once in stuff like this on the airport here in Sierra County N
M
> in an N-3 Pup. Not a scratch thanks to that big Piper wing and 28 mph
> stall
> speed, but haven't found enough time or money to rebuild that little
> 255-pounder which saved my butt.
> jsf
>
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| Subject: | Re: The 503 Blues...GET THE 447 |
In a message dated 9/9/2006 11:03:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david@davidlehman.net writes:
Have you tried it on the floats yet...
DVD
David, I fly the Firefly with a 447 on floats. The Firestar has a little
more wing but other than that they are similar. With no windshield or fairings
at all I fly at 60 mph and 5900 rpm. Takeoff and climb is spectacular. The 447
is all I need.
Steve
Firefly 007
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| Subject: | Re: hot dogs for lunch |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
The hard-of-seeing thank you. Do not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:57 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: hot dogs for lunch
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
>
> Okay guys. Here are a couple more pictures, one of Bob and his MkIII and
> the other of my other side, neither side is much to look at but the plane
> is nice. And the original photo but bigger for the "hard of seeing" among
> us.
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| Subject: | Re: The 503 Blues...GET THE 447 |
Thanx Steve...
David
On 9/10/06, N27SB@aol.com <N27SB@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/9/2006 11:03:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> david@davidlehman.net writes:
>
> Have you tried it on the floats yet...
>
> DVD
>
> David, I fly the Firefly with a 447 on floats. The Firestar has a little
> more wing but other than that they are similar. With no windshield or
> fairings at all I fly at 60 mph and 5900 rpm. Takeoff and climb is
> spectacular. The 447 is all I need.
> Steve
>
> Firefly 007
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Rivers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
That's why Pat and others are "happy" to pay equal to $ 7.00 per "Imperial"
gallon.>>
Hey Ralph,
where did you get this `happy` bit. I don`t think we ever said that.
I would just point out that in spite of the increased cost of oil the
majority of the money paid at the pump is tax imposed by our respective
governments.
All you can do is stop voting for them. But then no one will admit voting
for either Bush or Blair but they are there just the same.
As the man said `If voting made any difference they wouldn`t let us do it`.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: The 503 Blues... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
David,
I have flown a 377 Firestar and a 503 Firestar II DI with one and two carbs. Also,
a 447 on another plane. After having a DI Rotax, I would not like to go back
to single ignition. The DI just runs better, less chance of a stall on decent,
lack of throttle lag on a go around, tolerates a rich mixture at high altitude,
etc. I would run the 503 and just not exceed the VNE. Also, the 503 can
be economical if you don't use all the power. I once flew home from Oshkosh with
an MXII at 45 mph and only used 2.25 g/h, and that was in a heaver Firestar
II.
John
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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I'm new to the Kolb List, just want to send this out to see what happens as
I don't know what to expect.
Recently purchased a Kolb Firestar II kit and am in the process of building.
Ken Boise, Idaho
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
Ken, Welcome to the list, when you have some time, check out the archives.
Many of the questions you have are probably already answered in the
archives. I hope you enjoy building your FSII, as much as I enjoyed
building mine. Lanny Fetterman FSII N598LF
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "The BaronVonEvil" <grageda@innw.net>
Hi Ken
Good to see another Kolb enthusiast on the list. I fly a Firestar II myself.
If you need to look at one to answer a question or see how it was done, you're
welcome to come at look at mine.
Good luck with your new Kolb! :D
Carlos Grageda
Walla Walla, WA.
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David
Thanx info. You're the first Mite owner I've 'met'.
I spect I've been a victim of 'urban legend' in re the Mite's engine
falling off; but was told the tale by the owner of an airport on Cape
Cod, when he sold me a Cessna. I had no reason to doubt him.
But John H checked NTSB and they have no record -- so I guess it
never happened.
BUT -- also barely possible in those days they never reported it?
Seems incredible. Could happen.
Best,
Russ
Do Not Archive
On Sep 9, 2006, at 10:09 AM, David Lehman wrote:
> I had a Mite, serial #29, 65 Lycoming...
>
> They had metal firewalls (CAA requirement)... The Mite had a
> tubular cage (metal skinned) with a wooden monocoque fuselage, wood
> wings and tail...
>
> DVD
>
>
> On 9/9/06, russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Does anyone remember the "Mooney Mite" ? tiny single seater, with
> I'm told a wooden firewall. Long ago, at altitude one day over Cape
> Cod the engine, prop & mount departed the aircraft -- wow, talk
> about 'losing an engine'! The pilot found that if he leaned waaaay
> foward, and kept the speed above 110, it was controllable - just.
> He managed to land it safely.
> I've never been able to verify this but I do believe it happened
> more or less as reported. Praps some of you computer-whizzes can
> research this & get some details? It's beyond my meager skills.
> Losing the engine like that on a Kolb would give you a forward CG
> problem, not an aft one ; but might be workable.(I'd hate to try
> it) You'd need tons of speed & full up-elevators and LOL too --
>
>
> Russ Kinne
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2006, at 7:42 AM, David Lucas wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lucas"
>> <d_a_lucas@hotmail.com >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> So in the context of W & B what do you suppose would be the
>>> consequence of a cracked prop finally giving up the good fight
>>> and sending part of itself off into space? And if it, by the
>>> imbalance created, took the O-200 and a portion or all of the
>>> engine mount with it?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Had a friend years back who was flying a BN-2 Islander which had
>> the 260HP Lycoming O-540. It threw a prop blade during cruise
>> flight, fortunately away from the airframe and not into it. The
>> resulting vibration was so violent that in the few seconds that it
>> took to realize what had happened and shut the engine down, the
>> engine had ripped itself out of its mounts and only the cowling
>> was holding it ! So fortunately for him, the weight and balance
>> part of the equation remained the same. One can only hypothesise
>> what the effect would have been if gravity had won over the
>> remaining strength of the cowling. The remaining engine got them
>> to the closest suitable field where he landed safely.
>>
>>
>> A mid mounted engine departing the airframe in flight might just
>> be controlable.... maybe, if it was close to the C of G in the
>> first place and you reacted quickly enough, and no other
>> collateral damage resulted, etc (a lot of 'if's). I think that an
>> airframe with a nose mounted engine loss would be catastrophic.
>> Totally uncontrolable.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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The Mite's a great little airplane... 121mph indicated on 3.5 gph... I
guess I should say, it's great as long as the termites keep holding hands..
.
Many, many years ago, a guy had a Mite at Napa, CA airport... He chained
the tail down and propped it... Propped it one day with full throttle...
Pulled the tail off the fuselage and the airplane took off across a field
finally hitting something, total, except for the tail... You can always
tell a long-legged Mite pilot (like me), when they pull the gear up on
takeoff their knee will push the stick to the right and obviously, the
airplane banks right... Too much trivia...
Love my Kolb!...
DVD
On 9/10/06, russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> David Thanx info. You're the first Mite owner I've 'met'.
> I spect I've been a victim of 'urban legend' in re the Mite's engine
> falling off; but was told the tale by the owner of an airport on Cape Cod
,
> when he sold me a Cessna. I had no reason to doubt him.
> But John H checked NTSB and they have no record -- so I guess it never
> happened.
> BUT -- also barely possible in those days they never reported it? Seems
> incredible. Could happen.
> Best,
> Russ
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2006, at 10:09 AM, David Lehman wrote:
>
> I had a Mite, serial #29, 65 Lycoming...
>
> They had metal firewalls (CAA requirement)... The Mite had a tubular cag
e
> (metal skinned) with a wooden monocoque fuselage, wood wings and tail...
>
> DVD
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Well since this is a single place 780 or 830 lb. Max. G.W. aircraft,
more similar to an ultralight than a Cessna the story goes. maybe in
those days the CAA or the Feds by any oither name didn't consider em
airplanes, so they didn't bother.
Amigo now gone, had one, offered to let me use it; declined. Never had
much fun in low-wings aside from a Sia Marchetti when a stunt pilot at
an air show I was flakking said "Do whatever you want." Since he was
there and I knew loved life as much as I did and would save our butts if
necessary, I did. Didn't know how to do a Lamshlovak, much less spell
it, so skipped that one.
Zowie...
jsf
----- Original Message -----
From: russ kinne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: aft W & B
David
Thanx info. You're the first Mite owner I've 'met'.
I spect I've been a victim of 'urban legend' in re the Mite's engine
falling off; but was told the tale by the owner of an airport on Cape
Cod, when he sold me a Cessna. I had no reason to doubt him.
But John H checked NTSB and they have no record -- so I guess it never
happened.
BUT -- also barely possible in those days they never reported it?
Seems incredible. Could happen.
Best,
Russ
Do Not Archive
On Sep 9, 2006, at 10:09 AM, David Lehman wrote:
I had a Mite, serial #29, 65 Lycoming...
They had metal firewalls (CAA requirement)... The Mite had a
tubular cage (metal skinned) with a wooden monocoque fuselage, wood
wings and tail...
DVD
On 9/9/06, russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net> wrote:
Does anyone remember the "Mooney Mite" ? tiny single seater, with
I'm told a wooden firewall. Long ago, at altitude one day over Cape Cod
the engine, prop & mount departed the aircraft -- wow, talk about
'losing an engine'! The pilot found that if he leaned waaaay foward, and
kept the speed above 110, it was controllable - just. He managed to land
it safely.
I've never been able to verify this but I do believe it happened
more or less as reported. Praps some of you computer-whizzes can
research this & get some details? It's beyond my meager skills.
Losing the engine like that on a Kolb would give you a forward CG
problem, not an aft one ; but might be workable.(I'd hate to try it)
You'd need tons of speed & full up-elevators and LOL too --
Russ Kinne
On Sep 9, 2006, at 7:42 AM, David Lucas wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lucas"
<d_a_lucas@hotmail.com >
So in the context of W & B what do you suppose would be the
consequence of a cracked prop finally giving up the good fight and
sending part of itself off into space? And if it, by the imbalance
created, took the O-200 and a portion or all of the engine mount with
it?
Had a friend years back who was flying a BN-2 Islander which
had the 260HP Lycoming O-540. It threw a prop blade during cruise
flight, fortunately away from the airframe and not into it. The
resulting vibration was so violent that in the few seconds that it took
to realize what had happened and shut the engine down, the engine had
ripped itself out of its mounts and only the cowling was holding it !
So fortunately for him, the weight and balance part of the equation
remained the same. One can only hypothesise what the effect would have
been if gravity had won over the remaining strength of the cowling. The
remaining engine got them to the closest suitable field where he landed
safely.
A mid mounted engine departing the airframe in flight might just
be controlable.... maybe, if it was close to the C of G in the first
place and you reacted quickly enough, and no other collateral damage
resulted, etc (a lot of 'if's). I think that an airframe with a nose
mounted engine loss would be catastrophic. Totally uncontrolable.
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Great stories, David. Maybe I should have played with that one, but had
so much flying junk, I couldn't keep up with what I had...Times of the
$1800 airplanes. Find em fix em fly em and sell em for enough to find
another, fix it etc.
jsf
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: aft W & B
The Mite's a great little airplane... 121mph indicated on 3.5 gph...
I guess I should say, it's great as long as the termites keep holding
hands...
Many, many years ago, a guy had a Mite at Napa, CA airport... He
chained the tail down and propped it... Propped it one day with full
throttle... Pulled the tail off the fuselage and the airplane took off
across a field finally hitting something, total, except for the tail...
You can always tell a long-legged Mite pilot (like me), when they pull
the gear up on takeoff their knee will push the stick to the right and
obviously, the airplane banks right... Too much trivia...
Love my Kolb!...
DVD
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| Subject: | Re: ANR Headsets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Hi John,
Good luck, let us know how they work. ANR (active noise reduction)
for $80? Do they have a web site?
For anyone with older David Clark-style sets, the ANR add-on from
headsets.com is excellent at $160.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "john s. flannery" <jsflan@valornet.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR Headsets
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" <jsflan@valornet.com>
>
> Believe it or not, they were ordered end of week and arrived minutes ago.
> Feather Lite Headset black, $79 with shipping included, from Graham
> Services Inc Wellston Oklahoma. George was super nice and hopefully
> they'll live up to his service. His phone is 405 258-4165
>
> Feel warm, no case, but they are going into the Kolb right away anyhow.
> I'll let you know if they are okay.
>
>
> jsf
>
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Hi David,
Had a local guy years ago who also had a Mite. During an
annual, they only found 1 dead termite.
Unfortunately, there were 100,000 others who attended the
funeral...
Ed in JXN
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lehman
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: aft W & B
The Mite's a great little airplane... 121mph indicated on 3.5 gph...
I guess I should say, it's great as long as the termites keep holding
hands...
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| Subject: | Re: aft W & B aka Mites |
Speaking of Mites...local Big Undertaker had a Mite few years ago,
along with 2-3 bigger irons...Navajo..etc. Sure was a cute little thing.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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