---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/13/06: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:20 AM - Re: Thimbles (Eugene Zimmerman) 2. 07:17 AM - Re: Thimbles (Terry) 3. 08:18 AM - Re: Thimbles (Jack B. Hart) 4. 08:21 AM - Re: Thimbles (N27SB@aol.com) 5. 12:02 PM - Re: Thimbles (Terry Frantz) 6. 01:32 PM - Re: Viedos (possums) 7. 01:37 PM - Re: Thimbles (JR) 8. 02:20 PM - Re: The 503 Blues... (planecrazzzy) 9. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: The 503 Blues... (David Lehman) 10. 02:51 PM - Re: Thimbles (N27SB@aol.com) 11. 04:10 PM - Re: Thimbles (Terry Frantz) 12. 04:29 PM - Re: Thimbles (N27SB@aol.com) 13. 05:14 PM - Re: Thimbles (Terry Frantz) 14. 05:53 PM - Re: The 503 Blues... (planecrazzzy) 15. 05:57 PM - Re: Viedos (Mike Schnabel) 16. 06:37 PM - Re: Viedos (possums) 17. 07:14 PM - Re: Viedos (robert bean) 18. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: The 503 Blues... (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:23 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Terry, Looks like not many people recognized the significance of your question. I'll offer my opinion for what it is worth. Generally stainless steel has less strength and wear qualities than standard steel. If rust and corrosion are not the issue I'd go with the regular steel ones. You are replacing them because of wear, right? Perhaps it would be a good idea to chamfer the holes they fit through a slight bit to remove the sharp edges that wear on the thimbles. Gene On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Terry wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry > > Now at 570 hr.'s on my FireFly I need to replace my cable thimbles for > my horizontal stabilizers. Thanks to John H. for bringing it to my > attention when we met at Homer's farm last month. > > I noticed that there are stainless steel thimbles available as well as > the standard a/n steel models. I'm thinking of using the stainless > ones this time. Would appreciate any comments pro or con regarding > using the stainless steel ones? > > Terry - FireFly #95 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:19 AM PST US From: Terry Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > Terry, > > Looks like not many people recognized the significance of your question. > I'll offer my opinion for what it is worth. > > Generally stainless steel has less strength and wear qualities than > standard steel. > If rust and corrosion are not the issue I'd go with the regular > steel ones. You are replacing them because of wear, right? > Perhaps it would be a good idea to chamfer the holes they fit through > a slight bit to remove the sharp edges that wear on the thimbles. > > Gene > > On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Terry wrote: > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry > > > > Now at 570 hr.'s on my FireFly I need to replace my cable thimbles for > > my horizontal stabilizers. Thanks to John H. for bringing it to my > Gene, Your right, not much interest in my question! Thanks for your reply. I am going to chamfer the stainless steel tangs when I replace them. Wish someone had said something the first time to a new builder. I know stainless isn't as strong as steel, but I'm not sure I agree about the wear factor. The stainless tangs did a good job of wearing the AN steel thimbles without any wear to themselves. I think it also depends of the alloy of the stainless. I don't believe strength is an issue in this particular use, I might be wrong. Guess that's why I posted the question hoping someone else had experience with them, Terry _ FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:43 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" At 09:38 AM 9/12/06 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Terry, It might be easier and better to shim them. A brass shim will provide a good bearing surface in comparison to stainless steel on steel. How I did it can be seen at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly120.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:45 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles Hi Terry, I prefer the stainless ones because I usually use stainless cable. On my Firefly a lot of water ends up on everything. Did your thimbles wear through or did they just get loose. There are a lot of opinions on HOW to install them. I like to snip the little points off and when I swage the sleeve I squeeze the end away from the thimble first and then squeeze the other half next to the thimble. This sequence snugs everything up really tight. I then add the second sleeve. Do the inside half first or you will create slack on your free end. Most people also agree that you need a little bit of cable protruding out of the second sleeve. Lots of opinions on this so you should see more comments. Steve B Firefly 007 on Floats ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:44 PM PST US From: "Terry Frantz" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles Jim, Jack & Steve, Thanks for the replies regarding the stainless steel thimbles. I think I'm going to try the stainless type this time. Steve, you brought up another question! You are using stainless cable, what about the stretch I have heard about? I understand your choice considering that you now have a float FireFly, but wondering if you had any issue with them stretching? Thought about going that route also. OH, and yes, they have wore down a bit, not through yet! Just trying to be careful. Terry - FireFly #95 ----- Original Message ----- From: N27SB@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles Hi Terry, I prefer the stainless ones because I usually use stainless cable. On my Firefly a lot of water ends up on everything. Did your thimbles wear through or did they just get loose. There are a lot of opinions on HOW to install them. I like to snip the little points off and when I swage the sleeve I squeeze the end away from the thimble first and then squeeze the other half next to the thimble. This sequence snugs everything up really tight. I then add the second sleeve. Do the inside half first or you will create slack on your free end. Most people also agree that you need a little bit of cable protruding out of the second sleeve. Lots of opinions on this so you should see more comments. Steve B Firefly 007 on Floats ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:08 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Viedos At 08:21 PM 9/12/2006, you wrote: >Now that was pretty cool! I gave the first rating on the Coming Home >vid, sorry they only allowed a 5! Sure hope you live in one of those >couple of mini-mansions at the end of the runway, if not, they might >get weary of the low flying possums out there! > >But how did you mount your camera? Hand holding one, could not >really be safe? Could it? > > >Mike S Actually - I had one of these things rigged up on my helmet, but have since replaced the whole thing with a small Sanyo High Definition Digital camera without all the wires (little thing has a 4 GB memory card). As far as the neighbors go - no complaints yet - We were flying out of there 12 years before they ever built those houses. Besides, I can hover a little with the new plane. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:19 PM PST US From: "JR" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JR" Thank you, these pictures are worth a M words.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack B. Hart" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" > > At 09:38 AM 9/12/06 -0400, you wrote: >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry > > Terry, > > It might be easier and better to shim them. A brass shim will provide a > good bearing surface in comparison to stainless steel on steel. > > How I did it can be seen at: > > http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly120.html > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > > > > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:16 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: The 503 Blues... From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Hey David, I just got a small catalog from LEAF today.... There still having the Engine Trade-in Program.... It does say....For ALL 2 stroke engines...their talkin $750 off the new engine.... ( ends Dec 31st 2006 ) Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61445#61445 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:07 PM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: The 503 Blues... Thanx Mike... There's a local guy that has a 503 DCI with ground run time only that's going to put a 4 stroke on his Ridge Runner... Looks like I'll end up with the 503... Bought a 66x34 Tennessee wood prop off another local guy last night... Thanx again... David On 9/13/06, planecrazzzy wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" > > Hey David, > I just got a small catalog from LEAF today.... > > There still having the Engine Trade-in Program.... > > It does say....For ALL 2 stroke engines...their talkin $750 off the new > > engine.... ( ends Dec 31st 2006 ) > > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > . > . > . > > -------- > . > . > . > . > . > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61445#61445 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"... ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:17 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles Terry, by moving your bolt to the other holes you have the ability take up slack. I have not had any noticeable stretch. On my new Firefly I plan to use SS swaged terminal ends. I think that is what Possum did. steve ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:45 PM PST US From: "Terry Frantz" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles Steve, Thanks for the info. I do know about being able to take up slack with the other holes, I just didn't want an ongoing problem! Are you going to use turnbuckles or still use the stainless steel tangs to adjust? Terry - FireFly #95 ----- Original Message ----- From: N27SB@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles Terry, by moving your bolt to the other holes you have the ability take up slack. I have not had any noticeable stretch. On my new Firefly I plan to use SS swaged terminal ends. I think that is what Possum did. steve ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:05 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles In a message dated 9/13/2006 7:11:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tkrolfe@usadatanet.net writes: Steve, Thanks for the info. I do know about being able to take up slack with the other holes, I just didn't want an ongoing problem! Are you going to use turnbuckles or still use the stainless steel tangs to adjust? Terry - FireFly #95 Terry, Not sure yet. Probably turnbuckles because I am not sure how good AC Spruce is on tolerance. As far as an ongoing problem, I think if you get any stretch at all it will stabilize. Keep in mind that the cables are good for almost 1000lbs if I remember right. The load on your cables has to be a mere fraction of that. Also, if the cable stretches it probably bounces back. I actually count on this fact on my cross brace cables on my floats. It absorbs energy and helps minimize fatigue. Maybe the Experts will help on this one. If it can't flex, It fatigues. steve ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:00 PM PST US From: "Terry Frantz" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles Steve, Thanks again for the reply! Think I'm going to use the stainless steel thimbles and will consider using stainless steel cable even though I have a lot spare gal.steel cable to make use of! Like you pointed out, not much load on those aft cables. Send pictures of your new FloatFly when you have it near done. I hope to make contact with you in the not too distant future to see your creation! Terry - FireFly #95 ----- Original Message ----- From: N27SB@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thimbles In a message dated 9/13/2006 7:11:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tkrolfe@usadatanet.net writes: Steve, Thanks for the info. I do know about being able to take up slack with the other holes, I just didn't want an ongoing problem! Are you going to use turnbuckles or still use the stainless steel tangs to adjust? Terry - FireFly #95 Terry, Not sure yet. Probably turnbuckles because I am not sure how good AC Spruce is on tolerance. As far as an ongoing problem, I think if you get any stretch at all it will stabilize. Keep in mind that the cables are good for almost 1000lbs if I remember right. The load on your cables has to be a mere fraction of that. Also, if the cable stretches it probably bounces back. I actually count on this fact on my cross brace cables on my floats. It absorbs energy and helps minimize fatigue. Maybe the Experts will help on this one. If it can't flex, It fatigues. steve ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: The 503 Blues... From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Sounds like your gonna have that bird "set-up" for some GOOD flying... and for a Loooong time..... and now it'll fold and slide into your garage like it should... 11.5 hrs and 2 emergency landings.....after you get the new set-up it'll probly take some time getting used to "not worrying".... Well , a little is OK.... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61465#61465 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:35 PM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Viedos Possums, Thats a very interesting photo rig, more believable that that first pic you sent, that one looked to have a little bit too much "Uncle Sam" for a Kolb! Glad your neighbors are cool with your flight patterns, and the fact you were there long before should really mean something! I only mentioned that, because I have some land near me, that I am not having any luck buying, and worry that someday it will be filled with houses like in your video (and the people will not like airplanes). But, I was here first should count for something? Right? Well, hope it will anyway. Look forward to any new videos, so please keep us posted!!! Mike S do not archive possums wrote: At 08:21 PM 9/12/2006, you wrote: >Now that was pretty cool! I gave the first rating on the Coming Home >vid, sorry they only allowed a 5! Sure hope you live in one of those >couple of mini-mansions at the end of the runway, if not, they might >get weary of the low flying possums out there! > >But how did you mount your camera? Hand holding one, could not >really be safe? Could it? > > >Mike S Actually - I had one of these things rigged up on my helmet, but have since replaced the whole thing with a small Sanyo High Definition Digital camera without all the wires (little thing has a 4 GB memory card). As far as the neighbors go - no complaints yet - We were flying out of there 12 years before they ever built those houses. Besides, I can hover a little with the new plane. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:52 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Viedos At 08:57 PM 9/13/2006, you wrote: >Possums,"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> >That's a very interesting photo rig, more believable that that first >pic you sent, that one looked to have a little bit too much "Uncle >Sam" for a Kolb! > >Look forward to any new videos, so please keep us posted!!! > >Mike S How bout this one - think the "YouTube" kids will belive it?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjwK_KLNHGU ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:27 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Viedos Great! the Moller Skykolb Maybe you can sell a few early editions to former Bede customers. do not archive On 13, Sep 2006, at 9:34 PM, possums wrote: > At 08:57 PM 9/13/2006, you wrote: > >Possums, >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> > >That's a very interesting photo rig, more believable that that first > >pic you sent, that one looked to have a little bit too much "Uncle > >Sam" for a Kolb! > > > >Look forward to any new videos, so please keep us posted!!! > > > >Mike S > > How bout this one - think the "YouTube" kids will belive it?? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjwK_KLNHGU > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:47 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: The 503 Blues... David, Make sure you find out any changes made to jetting or timing during ground run, just in case, so you can put them back to the stock settings. B e sure and pull the exhaust and look for evidence of seizure. You probably know the drill, anyway. Sounds like a great deal to get you back in the air .. Congrats. Rick On 9/13/06, David Lehman wrote: > > Thanx Mike... > > There's a local guy that has a 503 DCI with ground run time only that's > going to put a 4 stroke on his Ridge Runner... Looks like I'll end up wi th > the 503... Bought a 66x34 Tennessee wood prop off another local guy last > night... > > Thanx again... > > David > > > On 9/13/06, planecrazzzy wrote: > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" > > > > > > Hey David, > > I just got a small catalog from LEAF today.... > > > > There still having the Engine Trade-in Program.... > > > > It does say....For ALL 2 stroke engines...their talkin $750 off the new > > > > engine.... ( ends Dec 31st 2006 ) > > > > Gotta Fly... > > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > > . > > . > > . > > > > -------- > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > ttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61445#61445 > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.co================ ===== ========= == > > ; -Matt Dralle, Lisntribution"> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"... > > * > =========== ronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List =========== =========== =========== com/contribution =========== > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport.