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1. 04:33 AM - N-number (john s. flannery)
2. 05:14 AM - Check out N-Number Availabiltty Inquiry (N27SB@aol.com)
3. 05:18 AM - Re: N-number (N27SB@aol.com)
4. 05:27 AM - Re: N-number (Richard Girard)
5. 05:33 AM - Re: Re: The 503 Blues... (N27SB@aol.com)
6. 05:42 AM - Slack elevator cables (Richard Girard)
7. 07:05 AM - Re: N-number (Robert Laird)
8. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: The 503 Blues... (David Lehman)
9. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: The 503 Blues... (David Lehman)
10. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: The 503 Blues... (David Lehman)
11. 07:26 AM - Re: N-number (Roger Lee)
12. 09:09 AM - Re: N-number (David Key)
13. 10:41 AM - Re: Slack elevator cables (Eugene Zimmerman)
14. 10:53 AM - Re: Slack elevator cables (Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com)
15. 12:15 PM - Re: N-number (john s. flannery)
16. 01:12 PM - Re: N-number (Roger Lee)
17. 01:17 PM - Kolb Mark III for sale (Roger Lee)
18. 02:44 PM - Re: N-number, another view (Bob Noyer)
19. 04:40 PM - Re: Slack elevator cables (Eugene Zimmerman)
20. 09:12 PM - Air speed markings (Rick Pearce)
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With the Mark III about fit to fly, I am about to initiate the LSA
registration process, hopefully simply and without too much fed flak. I
am told by the airport manager here that this can be done on-line.
Someone on the list earlier mentioned selection of an N number and a
site on line where those Kolb numbers already taken can be found, to
keep from filing what might be a duplicate number application.
I would appreciate finding out how to carry this process through and any
other tips to ease completion. Example, whether first joining EAA or
AOPA is a necessity or simplifies this process.
Also would like to know if my many repairs to date and tweaking problems
qualifies this as Experimental Amateur built and can go under my name as
builder since the provenance is obscure and whether that is an advantage
or asking for trouble later.
Should the Mark III be put in Special Light-Sport Aircraft or
Experimental Light-Sport Aircraft? I would think Experimental.
Thanks for any help with zipping through this process. I just want to be
left alone to fly without worrying about the shadow of ramp-check
Gestapo.
jsf
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| Subject: | Check out N-Number Availabiltty Inquiry |
_Click here: N-Number Availabiltty Inquiry_
(http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNAV_inquiry.asp)
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A few years ago Bruce Chestnut, Pres of TNK, wrote a nice guide on the full
process. It is available at TNK. Call Travis. EAA is also a good source.
steve
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John, You can go to http://www.faa.gov/. Along the right side of the page is
Top Requests and the third item down is Aircraft Registration. About 2/3 of
the way down the Aircraft Registration page in N numbers. From that page you
can search for available numbers and reserve them online. The list may
include numbers that have been reserved, but not issued yet and if you pick
one of them you will be told in about three weeks, sorry it's taken.
You might be able to get your aircraft through the experimental amatuer
built registration, it depends on whether you get a pencil whipper for a
DAR. If you get a good DAR, he'll probably smell a rat when there isn't
sufficient paperwork, i.e. receipts for parts, or a lengthy builder's log to
support your claim that you built it. It will be up to him whether you get a
repairman's certificate or not. If he won't give it, your stuck trying to
find an A & P to get your annuals done. I'm assuming you don't have an
approved i.e. type certificated engine and prop so you'll get a 40 hour
phase one fly off period.
If you go the E-LSA route, S-LSA isn't an option, you or anyone else who
buys your aircraft down the road can go take the 16 hour class and get your
Repairman Inspection certificate for THAT AIRCRAFT ONLY. If you get another
aircraft someday, you'll have to take the class again. When the DAR comes
out and inspects your aircraft you will only get a 5 hour phase 1 testing
period to fly off.
You can get a packet from EAA for $17.95 that has all the forms you need or
you can call Rainbow Aviation Services at 530-824-0644 and get all the forms
in their packet for $5.00. The RAS packet is LSA friendly and will probably
make it easier.
Rick
On 9/14/06, john s. flannery <jsflan@valornet.com> wrote:
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> With the Mark III about fit to fly, I am about to initiate the LSA
> registration process, hopefully simply and without too much fed flak. I am
> told by the airport manager here that this can be done on-line.
>
> Someone on the list earlier mentioned selection of an N number and a site
> on line where those Kolb numbers already taken can be found, to keep from
> filing what might be a duplicate number application.
>
> I would appreciate finding out how to carry this process through and any
> other tips to ease completion. Example, whether first joining EAA or AOPA
> is a necessity or simplifies this process.
>
> Also would like to know if my many repairs to date and tweaking problems
> qualifies this as Experimental Amateur built and can go under my name as
> builder since the provenance is obscure and whether that is an advantage or
> asking for trouble later.
>
> Should the Mark III be put in Special Light-Sport Aircraft or
> Experimental Light-Sport Aircraft? I would think Experimental.
>
> Thanks for any help with zipping through this process. I just want to be
> left alone to fly without worrying about the shadow of ramp-check Gestapo.
>
> jsf
>
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"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: The 503 Blues... |
David, did I miss something or is this an original Firestar vs a Firestar
II. I did not think that the cage was designed to handle a 503.
steve
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| Subject: | Slack elevator cables |
I'm too lazy to search it out this morning, but someone recently suggested
checking elevator cables for slack in the Mk3. Whoever it was thank you very
much, now I think I know why mine has been such a pain to fly. I have an
early Mk3, serial number 043 is on the root tube. The cables were slack
because the trim cable did not go to the elevator bell crank just forward of
the boom tube as newer Mk3's do, but rather went all the way back to the
bell crank on the elevator itself. This was not a builder error as the fwd
bell crank did not have the tab to hook the trim to it. The effect of the
long trim cable was to pull the cable going from bell crank to bell crank
until it went slack. This happened at any trim setting other than full fwd.
the down elevator cable remained taut, but once the trim was set, up
elevator became pretty loosey goosey and you could indeed hold the elevator
still and move the stick forward and back at will.
Rick
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
On 9/14/06, Richard Girard <jindoguy@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you go the E-LSA route, S-LSA isn't an option, you or anyone else who
> buys your aircraft down the road can go take the 16 hour class and get your
> Repairman Inspection certificate for THAT AIRCRAFT ONLY. If you get another
> aircraft someday, you'll have to take the class again.
Rick --
I took the 16 hour class... our instructor said that the class
certificate was valid for any aircraft we owned in that type (fixed
wing). We take the certificate and the airworthiness certificate do
the FSDO, and they issue a Repairman Certificate for you for that
plane. If you get another fixed-wing plane, then take IT'S
airworthiness down the FSDO, and you get a R.C. for that plane, and so
on.
-- Robert
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| Subject: | Re: The 503 Blues... |
I think the reason I'm still alive is that I never stop worrying...
DVD
do not archive...
On 9/13/06, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
> Sounds like your gonna have that bird "set-up" for some GOOD flying...
>
> and for a Loooong time.....
>
> and now it'll fold and slide into your garage like it should...
>
>
> 11.5 hrs and 2 emergency landings.....after you get the new set-up
>
> it'll probly take some time getting used to "not worrying"....
>
> Well , a little is OK....
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: The 503 Blues... |
Rick...
Thanx for the thoughts... I've been with this engine since he got it, so I
know it's pedigree...
DVD
On 9/13/06, Richard Girard <jindoguy@gmail.com> wrote:
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> David, Make sure you find out any changes made to jetting or timing durin
g
> ground run, just in case, so you can put them back to the stock settings.
Be
> sure and pull the exhaust and look for evidence of seizure. You probably
> know the drill, anyway. Sounds like a great deal to get you back in the a
ir.
> Congrats.
>
> Rick
>
> On 9/13/06, David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thanx Mike...
> >
> > There's a local guy that has a 503 DCI with ground run time only that's
> > going to put a 4 stroke on his Ridge Runner... Looks like I'll end up
with
> > the 503... Bought a 66x34 Tennessee wood prop off another local guy la
st
> > night...
> >
> > Thanx again...
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > On 9/13/06, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com > wrote:
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.c
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> > >
> >
> > Hey David,
> > I just got a small catalog from LEAF today....
> >
> > There still having the Engine Trade-in Program....
> >
> > It does say....For ALL 2 stroke engines...their talkin $750 off the new
> >
> > engine.... ( ends Dec 31st 2006 )
> >
> > Gotta Fly...
> > Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: The 503 Blues... |
Good Morning Steve...
You're correct this is an original Firestar... There have been posts from
credible individuals that the 447 is max engine for the original F/S...
It's my understanding that it's not a cage limitation, but rather a "5 rib
wing" limitation... I also know that there are a considerable number of 50
3
powered original F/Ss and apparently when they're flown with due
consideration, it's an OK combination... Personally, I installed 850x6
tires so that I can operate off from gravel bars, forest clearings, etc....
I have no desire to go fast, but I want the power to "pull out of the
hole"... I also intend to install my floats some day and the extra power
from the 503 will help me get off from some of the higher altitude Sierra
lakes...
Regards...
David
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On 9/14/06, N27SB@aol.com <N27SB@aol.com> wrote:
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> David, did I miss something or is this an original Firestar vs a Firesta
r
> II. I did not think that the cage was designed to handle a 503.
>
> steve
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Hi Rick,
You can go right to the FAA site . Then it will guide you to the "reserve an N
number" section. You can pick your own number. If it is in use or reserved it
will tell you and you can pick another. The cost to reserve your own N number
is $10. It's a piece of cake. I have done it 3 times.
You can only register your Kolb as an ELSA. SLSA is for factory built and approved
aircraft from FAA. My new FD CT is SLSA. The ELSA will allow you to take
the 16 Hr. course. Then you get the Local FSDO to sign your application form and
presto you can do your own condition inspections. So long as you own the plane
you can put as many aircraft on that ticket as you want. There is no limit,
but you must own the plane. If you sell it then you have them remove you from
that certificate. When you buy another ELSA then you can be put back on a condition
inspection certificate again. You do not have to take the course again.
If you have any questions EAA will be happy to set you in the right direction,
ask for Joe. I have done all of this and have not had any issues.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Robert,
I was told for each airplane you'll need to retake the class, the class was
only good for one plane.
David
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>From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N-number
>Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:04:27 -0500
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>
>On 9/14/06, Richard Girard <jindoguy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>If you go the E-LSA route, S-LSA isn't an option, you or anyone else who
>>buys your aircraft down the road can go take the 16 hour class and get
>>your
>>Repairman Inspection certificate for THAT AIRCRAFT ONLY. If you get
>>another
>>aircraft someday, you'll have to take the class again.
>
>Rick --
>
>I took the 16 hour class... our instructor said that the class
>certificate was valid for any aircraft we owned in that type (fixed
>wing). We take the certificate and the airworthiness certificate do
>the FSDO, and they issue a Repairman Certificate for you for that
>plane. If you get another fixed-wing plane, then take IT'S
>airworthiness down the FSDO, and you get a R.C. for that plane, and so
>on.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slack elevator cables |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Rick,
I'm happy to have been of help to you in discovering this problem
before it caused you, or the plane any serious harm.
I can only hope all Kolb pilots will check their elevators for
control slack "under load".
Gene,
On Sep 14, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> I'm too lazy to search it out this morning, but someone recently
> suggested checking elevator cables for slack in the Mk3. Whoever it
> was thank you very much, now I think I know why mine has been such
> a pain to fly. I have an early Mk3, serial number 043 is on the
> root tube. The cables were slack because the trim cable did not go
> to the elevator bell crank just forward of the boom tube as newer
> Mk3's do, but rather went all the way back to the bell crank on the
> elevator itself. This was not a builder error as the fwd bell crank
> did not have the tab to hook the trim to it. The effect of the long
> trim cable was to pull the cable going from bell crank to bell
> crank until it went slack. This happened at any trim setting other
> than full fwd. the down elevator cable remained taut, but once the
> trim was set, up elevator became pretty loosey goosey and you could
> indeed hold the elevator still and move the stick forward and back
> at will.
>
> Rick
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport. _-
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| Subject: | Re: Slack elevator cables |
Gene, I also have to say thank you. After repairing my Firestar from a
hard landing, I flew it and the elevator was very sluggish. I checked the
cable and sure enough, they were loose. After tightening and a test
flight, my sweet old Firestar is back.
Thanks again
The Minnesota Flying Farmer
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Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Rick,
I'm happy to have been of help to you in discovering this problem
before it caused you, or the plane any serious harm.
I can only hope all Kolb pilots will check their elevators for
control slack "under load".
Gene,
On Sep 14, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> I'm too lazy to search it out this morning, but someone recently
> suggested checking elevator cables for slack in the Mk3. Whoever it
> was thank you very much, now I think I know why mine has been such
> a pain to fly. I have an early Mk3, serial number 043 is on the
> root tube. The cables were slack because the trim cable did not go
> to the elevator bell crank just forward of the boom tube as newer
> Mk3's do, but rather went all the way back to the bell crank on the
> elevator itself. This was not a builder error as the fwd bell crank
> did not have the tab to hook the trim to it. The effect of the long
> trim cable was to pull the cable going from bell crank to bell
> crank until it went slack. This happened at any trim setting other
> than full fwd. the down elevator cable remained taut, but once the
> trim was set, up elevator became pretty loosey goosey and you could
> indeed hold the elevator still and move the stick forward and back
> at will.
>
> Rick
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport. _-
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List _-
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Thanks for the good information posted on N-number and Aircraft
Registration generally from many quarters.
A few hours ago, I found a potentially deadly situation in the red
renovation.
Replacing the old seatbelts, I was about to cut off one of the red
overspray painted belts. I flicked the head of this rivet, it came free
and that was it. That seatbelt on the pilot's side had ONE pop rivet
attaching it (and me) to the airframe. The other belt on pilot's side
was 100 percent better. Two pop rivets...!
I would dearly like to find that person who set me up for potential life
loss. So if you are purchasing a Kolb from anyone, please go over it
with a fine-toothed comb and with the eyes of a couple of other people.
jsf
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N-number
John, You can go to http://www.faa.gov/. Along the right side of the
page is Top Requests and the third item down is Aircraft Registration.
About 2/3 of the way down the Aircraft Registration page in N numbers.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
You only have to take the class once. You then can add or subtract what ever planes
you own on or off the certificate. Call EAA they will be glad to give you
all the info you want. I liked the class. It was informative. I changed a few
things on my Kolb when I got home.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | Kolb Mark III for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Hi All,
I still have a really nice Kolb Mark III Classic / 912s for sale. If you know of
anyone looking have them give me a call. The info was posted a while back on
the list. It's ready to go and lots of extras.
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az
520-574-1080
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | Re: N-number, another view |
This from Flying tales of The Grey Baron:
Tail Numbers
Grandpa, tell us the story about how you got the lucky tail numbers
for your airplane. All right, Timmy, but you have to sit quietly and
not blow the foam off Grandpa=92s beer.
It was back in nineteen and seventy''no, it was the spring of =9171
when I was working for a major Think Tank on contract to the
Friendly Airspace & Aggravation in the old Oklahoma Territory. The
Friendlies had taken part in the land rush out there in preparation
for grabbing all the future airspace, and had decided to make OKC
their training capital, while keeping their technical puzzle palace
right next to the casinos in Atlantic City. This was no accident,
because the technical planners used the slots and wheels as
simulators for advanced air traffic control. But I have digressed.
Once upon a time the Ceased-Now Aircraft Factory built a beautiful
airplane they called a Skyhawk. A certain one, hatched in late =9362
but called a =9163 in the manner of automobiles (ugh), flew the coop
and landed in California. After much hopping up and down the poor
=91Hawk was bent, and sold to Grandpa. With lots of hammering and many
cases of Old Frothingsloss, she was able to fly gracefully to old
Virginia. Both her years and the hammering had dulled her paint, so
much so that a new coat of barn paint was needed. What better time to
change the old factory numbers for something that was personally unique.
Wait, Timmy''I=92m getting to the numbers now!
So Grandpa went out walking during his lunch break at OKC and
wandered into the Aircraft Registration Branch,
pg5
or whatever it was called in those times. After being handed off
several times, he arrived at The Numbers Tubs.
Yes, Timmy, this was way before computers, or at least before the
Friendlies had heard of computers, although in the next building
Grandpa was testing a big ATC computer. Number tubs? The Friendlies
had written all the US registration numbers on cards that were
affixed in huge rotary files like giant Rolodexes=99. To find a number,
or an unassigned number, you just rotated the cards until you found
the number desired, or found an unassigned tail number.
The kind gentleman in charge of The Tubs inquired as to what new
number I had in mind.. I really didn=92t have a firm idea as this
meeting was unplanned, but I knew I was where the magic numbers were
assigned. Mr. Tub asked me a few questions about my flying, and I
replied that I flew single engine, single radio, single pilot, night
IFR. He thought for several seconds, then said: =93Take 711 and I=92ll
throw in your initials for $10.=94
That=92s how Grandpa got N711RN. Another time I=92ll tell you how
Grandpa
kept his number when he changed airplanes, in spite of overwhelming
odds like the Airplane Operators=92 Political Action assn., and other
money sinks.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Slack elevator cables |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Yer welcome Dwight, glad I could help.
That is what Kolb list friends are for.
Enjoy flying safely,
Gene
On Sep 14, 2006, at 1:52 PM, Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com wrote:
>
> Gene, I also have to say thank you. After repairing my Firestar
> from a hard landing, I flew it and the elevator was very sluggish.
> I checked the cable and sure enough, they were loose. After
> tightening and a test flight, my sweet old Firestar is back.
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| Subject: | Air speed markings |
I need to mark my air speed indicator before inspection and I can
find nothing in the manuals. Kolb mark 3 912ULS Can some one flying the
same configuration give me the bottom and top of the white arc,green
arc, yellow arc & the red. Rick Pearce
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