---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/19/06: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:47 AM - Re: 1st post (pat ladd) 2. 05:18 AM - Re: Full stall landings (Thom Riddle) 3. 07:39 AM - Re: Full stall landings (Richard Girard) 4. 07:42 AM - Re: 1st post (Richard Girard) 5. 07:57 AM - Re: Full stall landings (John Hauck) 6. 11:01 AM - New Member Panel Question (Jeff Nelson) 7. 12:04 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Larry Cottrell) 8. 12:38 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (possums) 9. 02:21 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (David Lehman) 10. 02:33 PM - Re: 1st post (e.bayliss) 11. 02:42 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (planecrazzzy) 12. 02:55 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Ralph Hoover) 13. 03:04 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Ralph Hoover) 14. 03:21 PM - Re: 1st post (Ralph Hoover) 15. 03:39 PM - FS II Panel (Chris Mallory) 16. 04:40 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Larry Bourne) 17. 04:54 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (jerb) 18. 05:03 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (robert bean) 19. 05:41 PM - Re: Kolb Homecoming (Eugene Zimmerman) 20. 05:49 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Mike Schnabel) 21. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: New Member Panel Question (Bob Noyer) 22. 06:05 PM - Re: Kolb Homecoming (Mike Schnabel) 23. 06:09 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 24. 06:37 PM - Re: Kolbs on tour, photos available (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 25. 06:47 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Bill Vincent) 26. 06:56 PM - Re: Kolb Homecoming (Denny Rowe) 27. 07:12 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (WillUribe@aol.com) 28. 07:22 PM - Re: New Member Panel Question (Charlie England) 29. 08:26 PM - Re: Full stall landings (robert bean) 30. 08:37 PM - Re: Full stall landings (vonne van hertum) 31. 08:42 PM - Re: Full stall landings (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 32. 09:06 PM - Re: Full stall landings (Larry Bourne) 33. 09:08 PM - Re: Full stall landings (Larry Cottrell) 34. 10:04 PM - Re: Full stall landings (robert bean) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:35 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 1st post ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:13 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings APilot@webtv.net, There is nothing wrong with your Kolb. The three-point angle of attack on a Kolb with standard gear legs. is well below the Critical(stall) angle of attack, by design. Lengthen the main gear legs enough and you can stall it in three-point. Thom in Buffalo do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:07 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings Have you bought a hydraulic press, yet? If you haven't done that, or borrowed one, you obviously haven't bent enough gear legs. Keep trying. Have you bent the roll over hoop? Seriously, you've got to put your whole self into the moment, fly it down right to stall, and use one notch of flaps to really fine point on it. And then, WHAM. Your main gear looks like it was designed by Roger Rabbit over in Toon Town. I have 18" dia. nerf tires, full swivel tailwheel on a 4130 leg, sleeved, no less, and I almost always fly at aft C.G. and I couldn't get a consistent three point out of mine, either. Then Travis talked good sense into me and I stopped trying. Now I'm finding it's all about energy management, as the shuttle drivers put it. I can wheel it on at 50 mph and roll her out or I can bleed off the speed as gently as possible to get a landing at about 42 or so in a three point attitude. I don't believe the wing is stalled at that point, but I no longer get that annoying ground slam when it does and that's all I really care about. Rick On 9/19/06, Thom Riddle wrote: > > APilot@webtv.net, > > There is nothing wrong with your Kolb. The three-point angle of attack > on a Kolb with standard gear legs. is well below the Critical(stall) > angle of attack, by design. Lengthen the main gear legs enough and you > can stall it in three-point. > > Thom in Buffalo > do not archive > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:22 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 1st post Is the message here that brevity is the soul of wit? On 9/19/06, pat ladd wrote: > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:38 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Seriously, you've got to put your whole self | into the moment, fly it down right to stall, and use one notch of flaps to | really fine point on it. And then, WHAM. | Rick Girard Rick: I usually land with full flaps, on the mkIII. That puts the aircraft into an attitude that is not quite as nose high as half flaps or no flaps at all. My mkIII sits somewhat higher in the nose, but the 8" Maule Tundra Tail Wheel canceled some of that out, unfortunately. Should get a chance to practice landings in the Factory FSII this week. We'll see if I can still land a Kolb that is in the normal landing gear configuration. Plan to get out of hauck's holler in the morning and sleep on Labhart Field tomorrow night. See you all there, john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:53 AM PST US From: "Jeff Nelson" Subject: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question Hello All My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available? right now I have an altimeter 3 1/8", Airspeed 3 1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach 2", and fuel quantity 2" I can configure these so I can also get my handheld radio mounted on the panel. Are there any other units that might combine some of these gauges? I hope to get this done so I can fly it yet this fall but I have a few other things that need attention as well. I will also be licensing this in LSA this year. Thank for your time Jeff Nelson ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:28 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question If you can get all that in a KXP panel, my hats off to you. I am faced with the same thing having destroyed my old pod. The new one from TNK seems to be a bit different and more streamlined. (read smaller) I was faced with buying two new gages so that I could have two EGT and CHT measurements so I opted to get a EIS from Grand Rapids Tech. Then all you need is fuel gages, altimeter, air speed and compass. They do have a unit that has an altimeter built in. What convinced me was the fact that they have a remote feature that you can remotely wire the functions for your stick? or any where else you want it. I just went out and took a picture, since that is what I have been working on, and I notice that it is set in the panel upside down. I have been trying to tame the wiring mess that is involved in this and just secured the connectors and shoved it into the panel. The harness has 12 feet of wires so there is plenty to get to anywhere you want. I dealt direct with the factory, ( the gal that answers the phone is sharp and will save you a lot of trouble as well as money) and was much happier and confident that I would be getting what I needed. Larry, Oregon do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Nelson To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question Hello All My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available? right now I have an altimeter 3 1/8", Airspeed 3 1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach 2", and fuel quantity 2" I can configure these so I can also get my handheld radio mounted on the panel. Are there any other units that might combine some of these gauges? I hope to get this done so I can fly it yet this fall but I have a few other things that need attention as well. I will also be licensing this in LSA this year. Thank for your time Jeff Nelson ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:35 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question At 02:00 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote: >Hello All > >My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar >KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates >and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to >rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your >panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that >are available? I tried to keep mine as simple as I could. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:47 PM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question WOW!... Where does one get one of those EFIS, terrain map, TV thingies?... That's cool!... DVD On 9/19/06, possums wrote: > > At 02:00 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote: > > Hello All > > My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar KXP. > It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one wa s > the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it. My > question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what > configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available? > > > I tried to keep mine as simple as I could. > > -- "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"... ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:38 PM PST US From: "e.bayliss" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 1st post --> Kolb-List message posted by: "e.bayliss" First Thanks to all who replied to my first post And to vic (sacramento) who asked about my cg location , I am an ex trike (weightshift ) pilot ,as you know we do not do weight and balance with trikes so I am going to have to get my head round understanding this with the help of my instructor, I have dug out the weight and balance sheet that was very kindly sorted out for me by the inspector who did the permit inspection and check weighed the aircraft , according to this form the forward cg limit is 325mm (12.795 inch) and the reaward limit is 570mm ( 22.44090 inch)at max of 390kg (859.794 lbs) and min of 200 kg (440.920 lbs) with the datum point being the leading edge of the wing . I hope this makes sense to you .I do know however, that it felt great to fly and with pitch control forces being about the same as I am used to but the stick forces in roll are a lot heavier than the plane I did the conversion to three axis training in ( ikarus C42) . It was nothing that needs worrying about , just different .Now I am looking forward to getting some more training in with my conversion pilot when he has free time . Hopefully after an hour or two in the circuit I can master the landing and get some solo hours in to settle down with the kolb and then post some photos of my local area and airfield Eddie (Liverpool) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 1st post > --> Kolb-List message posted by: APilot@webtv.net > > What is your CG location (25, 28, 30 or higher)? My Kolb was not very > much fun to fly at 33% location, but it is a dream to fly at the 28% > location. You may notice that it drops in rather suddenly as you full > stall it just over the runway. Some have recommended that newer pilots > do wheel landing at first, to help keep the landing gear from bending. > Vic (Sacramento, California) > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:15 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Member Panel Question From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Here's my Firestar II panel... I like the miZer , I LOVE the EIS w/VSI Gotta Fly... Mike in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62592#62592 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/elt_002_889.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:42 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Member Panel Question From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" First, Possum, Watch that VNe, 90 !! what! That is a firestar is it not? Now to Jeff's question. EIS is very good and the company jumps through hoops according to responses on this site. I personally opted for $ 600. in instruments. They are from The Sport Flying Shop ( www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Stratomaster/MaxiSingles/maxisingles.html ) and are the "Statomasters. Just like diamonds, you can drop a lot on glass. Choose carefully what you want to accomplish. My two gauges; E-1 EMS for engine monitoring covers two EGT's, Two CHT's, RPM and hour meter. The EGT and CHT as well as RPM are shown in numbers as well as settable bar graph. Also included is an external reset able warning lamp signal (gotta buy your own lamp). The other glass gauge is the "Flight - 2 , 3.5 gauge. This covers all flight information; ALT, ASI, RPM, Fuel level, fuel range, and all kinds of other (unused by me, information). I specifically like the VSI. Again, a l ot of info is bar graphed and the numbers are readable from the seat of a Firestar. Also the warning levels, such as ASI stall, and others are settable. (Again you have to drop a dime on your own bulbs for the red warning). They are the 3.5" Maxi singles. I the attached pictures, you will note the engine on the left and the flight on the right. Ideal for me. And yes, that is a mechanical ASI in the center. As per my instructor, "leave it in in case electric failure". I have come to read it mostly and the glass for everything else. One problem I do have with the Stratomaster gauges with the warning lamp. It may also exist with the EIS. When your properly strapped in your firestar, you can't reach the gauges to "touch any button to reset the warning lamps"! I have advised the Sport flying shop. They were intrigued by my suggestions. The chip driving these instruments have sooooooo much extra function capability, it would take very little to write code for a momentary, off gauge push button to reset the system. I now use a plastic stick, one foot long carried on the right side of my seat to reset the gauges, or to move to other functions within the left lower quadrant of the Flight - 2. Now if only I could convince them to add a small "gryo" chip, man wha we could have in one instrument. I do dearly love that VSI. Great information, my butt has yet to recognize. THe distance from where your head is and where the gauges are is something to consider when you think size. I don't believe you could pack more "readable" gauges into a Kolb Firestar instrument panel than I have. Refering to information displaying not quantity. Someone, I'm sure has more gauges. Also, Should you desire, I made a template set that includes the dash panel cutout. This assumes you have the origional fiberglass nosecone and dash molded in. It allows you to cut out the area needed for the "flip down" instrument panel (some fitting required). TYhen the second piece is to lay over a piece of aluminum or colored lexan or material of your choice (I used aluminum and made swirles with a sander for dispersing light on flat shinny aluminum). The second template also has the three cutouts for gauges I have installed (members, I installed my 3.5 Mechanical ASI back in). And it also includes the tick or punch marks for the power switches (left and right) as well as fuses (left and right) and of course the "warning lamps" that are not included but avaliable at radio shack. I will lend these out for a deposit of $ 50.00. You get it all back when I get the templates back. I am not trying to make any money, but others may also want to skip the learning process of weeks taht I went through to determin clearances (remember, the nose tapers drastically), and the ability to hinge the panel to get to wireing (what a Blessing that is to correct wiring or change parts or pieces and to swing the panel out of the way in order to work on the Pitiot tube and Strobe system in teh front. I hope this helps! Ohio Ralph shooting straight from the hip! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62593#62593 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0823_500.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0822_113.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Member Panel Question From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" OK, thats it! I saw Planecrazzys polished waxed and supurbly detailed instrument panel. But there are no markers as to what is being displayed on the EIS. Therefore, I have attached a photo, in flight showing what you see from the seat and how the legends of the "Stratomaster Gauges" strut their stuff! But, I am not in any way saying that Planecrazys "Mizer" ain't the purdiest thing on any plane I've seen yet! Ralph of Ohio! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62596#62596 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf1042_small_154.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:37 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 1st post From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" Eddie in Liverpool, Let me just tell you from the American get go, we don't do no micrometer here in America. Everything we do comes out in 1/4", 1/8" 1/2" or teh full inch. I wanna, when I get some money, come over there and beat-up your inspector cause he has to be wrong. "forward cg limit is 325mm (12.795 inch) and the reaward limit is 570mm ( 22.44090 inch)at max of 390kg (859.794 lbs) and min of 200 kg (440.920 lbs)" See, eddie, we would only have that dimension 12.795 at 12.750 or 7....whetre is my dag nab calculator, slide rule, demension scale thing....? Oh, never mind Eddie, he messed up on the weightt thing also, see we don't weigh things at 440.920 here in America unless it was going on the space shuddle and each gram cost a million dollars (38000.357.6 pounds). The actual weight of the plane would be max 860 pounds and the minium would be 440 pounds, because we don't want to have to deal with one pound or a bunch of ounces! Welcome to the torture box, brother flier. I am so glad to hear your getting to fly after reading poor Pats escapades. Hope you can take the ragging this site has to offer! Now I am going out and have a stout! Ohio Ralph looking to get 50 push-ups from John H! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62600#62600 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:44 PM PST US From: "Chris Mallory" Subject: Kolb-List: FS II Panel This is a picture of the panel on my FS II. The gauge behind the GPS is a fuel pressure gauge for the aux. ful pump. Chris Mallory do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:28 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question Possum, you a baaaaad boy. :-) Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: possums To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question At 02:00 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote: Hello All My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available? I tried to keep mine as simple as I could. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:15 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question Here's what we had on our FireFly. [] At 01:00 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote: >Hello All > >My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar >KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates >and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to >rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your >panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that >are available? right now I have an altimeter 3 1/8", Airspeed 3 >1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach 2", and fuel quantity 2" I can configure >these so I can also get my handheld radio mounted on the panel. Are >there any other units that might combine some of these gauges? I >hope to get this done so I can fly it yet this fall but I have a few >other things that need attention as well. I will also be licensing >this in LSA this year. > >Thank for your time >Jeff Nelson > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:10 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question I am especially impressed with the 85 mph climb! On 19, Sep 2006, at 3:31 PM, possums wrote: > At 02:00 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote: >> Hello All >> - >> My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar >> KXP.- It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates >> and one was the panel.- It was not in good shape so I am going to >> rebuild it.- My question is this.- What do you all have in your >> panels and what configuration is it?- Are there any pictures that are >> available? > > I tried to keep mine as simple as I could. > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:14 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Homecoming --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Kolb friends, Just a note to inform you that Steve made it to Smoketown PA Monday evening. Weather front passed through with rain Tue. with Steve spending the day with Terry Frantz. A beautiful evening after the passage of the weather front gave several of us local guys the opportunity to fly in an meet Steve, a real prince of man with a beeaauutiful Mark III, bearing Homer Kolb's personal autograph. Sorry I didn't have my camera along to share a pict or two with you all. Steve decided because of the forecasted head winds to cut off the Albany and Buffalo leg of his trip and go straight to Columbus Ohio leaving from Smoketown Wed, AM. Hell visit the Miller's, then head from there back down to the TNK annual Fly-in. Steve sure does know how to make a normal guy feel envious. Gene, On Sep 17, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Steven Green wrote: > I have the plane packed and ready for departure early in the > morning, if the morning fog is favorable. I plan to circle the > Appalachian Mountains enroute to TNK. I will leave TN heading > south through Jasper, GA then up the east side of the mountains > through the Shanendoa valley, Smoketown, PA, Albany and Buffalo, > NY, Columbus, OH then south to London. The weather looks like I > may spend Tuesday watching it rain but it should pass on through, > > Hope to see Ya'll in London > Steven Green > MKIII > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:27 PM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question Ok gang, trying this again, the Matronics size limit bit me on the first try... i think i was 3 kilobites over... whew, good thing they caught me, might have stalled on landing and bent a gear! -------------------------- Jeff, I could not resist tossing my 2 cents in... heres my FSII panel, designed by, not sure, either Bryan Melborn or built by him per Jesse Saxion. Either way, i like it for the most part, the Richie compass... well,,, that might get replaced someday... soon. Good luck to you with you newly aquired Kolb! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive Jeff Nelson wrote: Hello All My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available? right now I have an altimeter 3 1/8", Airspeed 3 1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach 2", and fuel quantity 2" I can configure these so I can also get my handheld radio mounted on the panel. Are there any other units that might combine some of these gauges? I hope to get this done so I can fly it yet this fall but I have a few other things that need attention as well. I will also be licensing this in LSA this year. Thank for your time Jeff Nelson --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:58 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Member Panel Question Here's just a plain panel, good for FireFlying: http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/FF_20Panel1a.jpg regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:56 PM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Homecoming Gene, Thanks for the update on Steve. I will second your comments about him being one fine gentleman. He flew over to my place a few weeks ago and let me have some time PIC in his very nice MKIII. Of course with the limited approach and departures, he did all the real work! But he exemplified what the flying brethren are about, sharing, and he was very kind and welcome to do just that. I am still struggling to make commitments disappear so I can visit TNK this weekend, I wanted to trailer the FSII up for a look over by the gang at the factory, now am just hoping to haul my butt and a tent for at least one nights stay. Still have my hopes up. Look forward to meeting you all there if I get things to work out! (attached is a pic of Steven ready to hit the air) Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive Eugene Zimmerman wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Kolb friends, Just a note to inform you that Steve made it to Smoketown PA Monday evening. Weather front passed through with rain Tue. with Steve spending the day with Terry Frantz. A beautiful evening after the passage of the weather front gave several of us local guys the opportunity to fly in an meet Steve, a real prince of man with a beeaauutiful Mark III, bearing Homer Kolb's personal autograph. Sorry I didn't have my camera along to share a pict or two with you all. Steve decided because of the forecasted head winds to cut off the Albany and Buffalo leg of his trip and go straight to Columbus Ohio leaving from Smoketown Wed, AM. Hell visit the Miller's, then head from there back down to the TNK annual Fly-in. Steve sure does know how to make a normal guy feel envious. Gene, On Sep 17, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Steven Green wrote: > I have the plane packed and ready for departure early in the > morning, if the morning fog is favorable. I plan to circle the > Appalachian Mountains enroute to TNK. I will leave TN heading > south through Jasper, GA then up the east side of the mountains > through the Shanendoa valley, Smoketown, PA, Albany and Buffalo, > NY, Columbus, OH then south to London. The weather looks like I > may spend Tuesday watching it rain but it should pass on through, > > Hope to see Ya'll in London > Steven Green > MKIII > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:44 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question Heres a picture of my cockpit setup if it will give you any ideas notice the center console to mount the GPS on and the radio right in front of the seat between the legs Ellery in Rebuilt Original Firestar ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:34 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolbs on tour, photos available In a message dated 9/17/2006 11:52:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kfackler@ameritech.net writes: If you'd like to see some pictures of these Kolbs during the trip, they can be found here: http://www.kfackler.com/kolb/tour/ Ken, Good work on the pictures. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:18 PM PST US From: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question Hi Jeff & Gang This panel has worked well for me, all 380 hours of it. Bill Vincent Firestar II Upper Peninsula of Michigan Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:39 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Homecoming --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Sounds like he is going to fly right over my place on Wednesday. Might know I'll be working day shift. :-( Tell him McVille P-37 has resonable 100LL. Denny Rowe 724 882 6788, cell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Zimmerman" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Homecoming > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > Kolb friends, > > Just a note to inform you that Steve made it to Smoketown PA Monday > evening. Weather front passed through with rain Tue. with Steve spending > the day with Terry Frantz. A beautiful evening after the passage of the > weather front gave several of us local guys the opportunity to fly in an > meet Steve, a real prince of man with a beeaauutiful Mark III, bearing > Homer Kolb's personal autograph. > Sorry I didn't have my camera along to share a pict or two with you all. > Steve decided because of the forecasted head winds to cut off the Albany > and Buffalo leg of his trip and go straight to Columbus Ohio leaving from > Smoketown Wed, AM. Hell visit the Miller's, then head from there back > down to the TNK annual Fly-in. > > Steve sure does know how to make a normal guy feel envious. > > Gene, > > > On Sep 17, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Steven Green wrote: > >> I have the plane packed and ready for departure early in the morning, if >> the morning fog is favorable. I plan to circle the Appalachian >> Mountains enroute to TNK. I will leave TN heading south through Jasper, >> GA then up the east side of the mountains through the Shanendoa valley, >> Smoketown, PA, Albany and Buffalo, NY, Columbus, OH then south to >> London. The weather looks like I may spend Tuesday watching it rain but >> it should pass on through, >> >> Hope to see Ya'll in London >> Steven Green >> MKIII >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_- >> ============================================================ _- >> forums.matronics.com_- >> ============================================================ _- >> ============================================================ _- >> contribution_- >> =========================================================== > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:00 PM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:25 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Member Panel Question --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England FWIW, the 'small' option is plenty big enough when using the MS image resizer. Mike Schnabel wrote: > Ok gang, trying this again, the Matronics size limit bit me on the > first try... i think i was 3 kilobites over... whew, good thing they > caught me, might have stalled on landing and bent a gear! > > -------------------------- > > Jeff, > > I could not resist tossing my 2 cents in... heres my FSII panel, > designed by, not sure, either Bryan Melborn or built by him per Jesse > Saxion. Either way, i like it for the most part, the Richie compass... > well,,, that might get replaced someday... soon. > > Good luck to you with you newly aquired Kolb! > > Mike S > Manchester TN > Firestar 2 503 > > do not archive > > > Jeff Nelson wrote: > > Hello All > > My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb > Firestar KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do > some updates and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I > am going to rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all > have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are there any > pictures that are available? right now I have an altimeter 3 > 1/8", Airspeed 3 1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach 2", and fuel quantity > 2" I can configure these so I can also get my handheld radio > mounted on the panel. Are there any other units that might > combine some of these gauges? I hope to get this done so I can > fly it yet this fall but I have a few other things that need > attention as well. I will also > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:32 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings The flaps, at least one notch, make my landings a gentle slow delight. Pull them on and it's like airbrakes, advance a touch of throttle, maintain 50-55 mph and chop it at the end of the cornstalks. Touches down like a butterfly. Is it 3 point? Beats me, but close enough. Sitting out there with the best visibility short of a helicopter you should be able to judge when you're close enough. Much less of a challenge than a clunky old low wing airplane. BB, MkIII, suzuki G10 do not archive On 19, Sep 2006, at 10:38 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > Have you bought a hydraulic press, yet? If you haven't done that, or > borrowed one, you obviously haven't bent enough gear legs. Keep > trying. Have you bent the roll over hoop? Seriously, you've got to put > your whole self into the moment, fly it down right to stall, and use > one notch of flaps to really fine point on it. And then, WHAM. Your > main gear looks like it was designed by Roger Rabbit over in Toon > Town. > I have 18" dia. nerf tires, full swivel tailwheel on a 4130 leg, > sleeved,- no less, and I almost always fly at aft C.G. and I couldn't > get a consistent three point out of mine, either. > Then Travis talked good sense into me and I stopped trying. Now I'm > finding it's all about energy management, as the shuttle drivers put > it. I can wheel it on at 50 mph and roll her out or I can bleed off > the speed as gently as possible to get a landing at about 42 or so in > a three point attitude. I don't believe the wing is stalled at that > point, but I no longer get that annoying ground slam when it does and > that's all I really care about. > > Rick > > On 9/19/06, Thom Riddle wrote:APilot@webtv.net, >> >> There is nothing wrong with your Kolb. The three-point angle of attack >> on a Kolb with standard gear legs. is well below the Critical(stall) >> angle of attack, by design. Lengthen the main gear legs enough and you >> can stall it in three-point. >> >> Thom in Buffalo >> do not archive > > > -- > Rick Girard > "Ya'll drop on in" > takes on a whole new meaning > when you live at the airport. > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:53 PM PST US From: "vonne van hertum" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings *FOR THE LAST TIME* ** *UNSRIBE ME!!!* 2006/9/19, robert bean : > > The flaps, at least one notch, make my landings a gentle slow delight. > Pull them on and it's like airbrakes, advance a touch of throttle, > maintain 50-55 mph and chop it at the end of the cornstalks. > Touches down like a butterfly. Is it 3 point? Beats me, > but close enough. > Sitting out there with the best visibility short of a helicopter > you should be able to judge when you're close enough. > Much less of a challenge than a clunky old low wing airplane. > BB, MkIII, suzuki G10 > do not archive > On 19, Sep 2006, at 10:38 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > > > Have you bought a hydraulic press, yet? If you haven't done that, or > > borrowed one, you obviously haven't bent enough gear legs. Keep > > trying. Have you bent the roll over hoop? Seriously, you've got to put > > your whole self into the moment, fly it down right to stall, and use > > one notch of flaps to really fine point on it. And then, WHAM. Your > > main gear looks like it was designed by Roger Rabbit over in Toon > > Town. > > I have 18" dia. nerf tires, full swivel tailwheel on a 4130 leg, > > sleeved, no less, and I almost always fly at aft C.G. and I couldn't > > get a consistent three point out of mine, either. > > Then Travis talked good sense into me and I stopped trying. Now I'm > > finding it's all about energy management, as the shuttle drivers put > > it. I can wheel it on at 50 mph and roll her out or I can bleed off > > the speed as gently as possible to get a landing at about 42 or so in > > a three point attitude. I don't believe the wing is stalled at that > > point, but I no longer get that annoying ground slam when it does and > > that's all I really care about. > > > > Rick > > > > On 9/19/06, Thom Riddle wrote:APilot@webtv.net, > >> > >> There is nothing wrong with your Kolb. The three-point angle of attack > >> on a Kolb with standard gear legs. is well below the Critical(stall) > >> angle of attack, by design. Lengthen the main gear legs enough and you > >> can stall it in three-point. > >> > >> Thom in Buffalo > >> do not archive > > > > > > > > -- > > Rick Girard > > "Ya'll drop on in" > > takes on a whole new meaning > > when you live at the airport. > > > > > > -- graag tot ziens op www.stopkindersexnu.nl ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:01 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings Richard Hows that Suzuki G10 been treating you Keep us informed as I have an intrist in it for future plans Ellery do not archive ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:16 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings Read the instructions and un-sub-scribe yourself. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: vonne van hertum To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings FOR THE LAST TIME UNSRIBE ME!!! 2006/9/19, robert bean : The flaps, at least one notch, make my landings a gentle slow delight. Pull them on and it's like airbrakes, advance a touch of throttle, maintain 50-55 mph and chop it at the end of the cornstalks. Touches down like a butterfly. Is it 3 point? Beats me, but close enough. Sitting out there with the best visibility short of a helicopter you should be able to judge when you're close enough. Much less of a challenge than a clunky old low wing airplane. BB, MkIII, suzuki G10 do not archive On 19, Sep 2006, at 10:38 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > Have you bought a hydraulic press, yet? If you haven't done that, or > borrowed one, you obviously haven't bent enough gear legs. Keep > trying. Have you bent the roll over hoop? Seriously, you've got to put > your whole self into the moment, fly it down right to stall, and use > one notch of flaps to really fine point on it. And then, WHAM. Your > main gear looks like it was designed by Roger Rabbit over in Toon > Town. > I have 18" dia. nerf tires, full swivel tailwheel on a 4130 leg, > sleeved, no less, and I almost always fly at aft C.G. and I couldn't > get a consistent three point out of mine, either. > Then Travis talked good sense into me and I stopped trying. Now I'm > finding it's all about energy management, as the shuttle drivers put > it. I can wheel it on at 50 mph and roll her out or I can bleed off > the speed as gently as possible to get a landing at about 42 or so in > a three point attitude. I don't believe the wing is stalled at that > point, but I no longer get that annoying ground slam when it does and > that's all I really care about. > > Rick > > On 9/19/06, Thom Riddle < jtriddle@adelphia.net> wrote:APilot@webtv.net, >> >> There is nothing wrong with your Kolb. The three-point angle of attack >> on a Kolb with standard gear legs. is well below the Critical(stall) >> angle of attack, by design. Lengthen the main gear legs enough and you >> can stall it in three-point. >> >> Thom in Buffalo >> do not archive > > > > -- > Rick Girard > "Ya'll drop on in" > takes on a whole new meaning > when you live at the airport. > > -- graag tot ziens op www.stopkindersexnu.nl ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:51 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings Why don't you unsubscribe yourself! ----- Original Message ----- From: vonne van hertum To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:37 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings FOR THE LAST TIME UNSRIBE ME!!! 2006/9/19, robert bean : The flaps, at least one notch, make my landings a gentle slow delight. Pull them on and it's like airbrakes, advance a touch of throttle, maintain 50-55 mph and chop it at the end of the cornstalks. Touches down like a butterfly. Is it 3 point? Beats me, but close enough. Sitting out there with the best visibility short of a helicopter you should be able to judge when you're close enough. Much less of a challenge than a clunky old low wing airplane. BB, MkIII, suzuki G10 do not archive On 19, Sep 2006, at 10:38 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > Have you bought a hydraulic press, yet? If you haven't done that, or > borrowed one, you obviously haven't bent enough gear legs. Keep > trying. Have you bent the roll over hoop? Seriously, you've got to put > your whole self into the moment, fly it down right to stall, and use > one notch of flaps to really fine point on it. And then, WHAM. Your > main gear looks like it was designed by Roger Rabbit over in Toon > Town. > I have 18" dia. nerf tires, full swivel tailwheel on a 4130 leg, > sleeved, no less, and I almost always fly at aft C.G. and I couldn't > get a consistent three point out of mine, either. > Then Travis talked good sense into me and I stopped trying. Now I'm > finding it's all about energy management, as the shuttle drivers put > it. I can wheel it on at 50 mph and roll her out or I can bleed off > the speed as gently as possible to get a landing at about 42 or so in > a three point attitude. I don't believe the wing is stalled at that > point, but I no longer get that annoying ground slam when it does and > that's all I really care about. > > Rick > > On 9/19/06, Thom Riddle < jtriddle@adelphia.net> wrote:APilot@webtv.net, >> >> There is nothing wrong with your Kolb. The three-point angle of attack >> on a Kolb with standard gear legs. is well below the Critical(stall) >> angle of attack, by design. Lengthen the main gear legs enough and you >> can stall it in three-point. >> >> Thom in Buffalo >> do not archive > > > > -- > Rick Girard > "Ya'll drop on in" > takes on a whole new meaning > when you live at the airport. > > -- graag tot ziens op www.stopkindersexnu.nl ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:15 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full stall landings Ellery, I'll get back to you off list -BB (the G10 guy) On 19, Sep 2006, at 11:41 PM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote: > Richard > Hows that Suzuki G10 been treating you Keep us informed- as I have an > intrist in it for future plans > > ------------------------ ------ Ellery > do not archive > >