---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/24/06: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:38 AM - Do Not Archive? (Dave Bigelow) 2. 05:25 AM - Re: Tail wire brace size (planecrazzzy) 3. 06:35 AM - Re: Tail wire brace size (Richard Girard) 4. 06:40 AM - Is Lexan source important? (John Bickham) 5. 08:09 AM - Re: 36 KOLBs (ropermike) 6. 08:28 AM - Re: Tail wire brace size (APilot@webtv.net) 7. 01:45 PM - Re: 36 KOLBs (Ralph Hoover) 8. 01:50 PM - Re: Is Lexan source important? (Ralph Hoover) 9. 04:05 PM - Re: Is Lexan source important? (Larry Bourne) 10. 04:48 PM - Re: Is Lexan source important? (David Downey) 11. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: 36 KOLBs (David Key) 12. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Is Lexan source important? (Jim Baker) 13. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Is Lexan source important? (Charlie England) 14. 05:54 PM - Good Air Today (planecrazzzy) 15. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: Is Lexan source important? (Herb Gayheart) 16. 06:42 PM - Re: Good Air Today (john s. flannery) 17. 06:52 PM - Re: Good Air Today (john s. flannery) 18. 07:10 PM - Re: Good Air Today (russ kinne) 19. 07:35 PM - Pulling the wings off a Kolb () 20. 07:43 PM - Re: Good Air Today (john s. flannery) 21. 07:49 PM - Re: Pulling the wings off a Kolb (john s. flannery) 22. 08:19 PM - Smoked Lexan (Lanny Fetterman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:12 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Do Not Archive? From: "Dave Bigelow" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" Hey guys - it's OK to use our list as a chat room, but let's remember to put in the "Do Not Archive" phrase if our contribution is not going to help someone searching for an answer to a Kolb question. It also helps Matt keep the storage space at a reasonable level. Do Not Archive -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63537#63537 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tail wire brace size From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Hey Possum, Where are you supposed to go at that "ball joint" address... I clicked on several things , but no luck... Gotta Fly... Mike PS My "do not archive" is in the signiture , automatic... -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63545#63545 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:52 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail wire brace size Will, Get 7 X 7 cable for structural cables. The individual strands are much more robust then those in 7 X 19 constuction. The other advantage is that you can often see a broken strand, rather than having to feel for it. Use 7 X 19 for control cables when you have to go around a pulley. If there is a West Marine outlet near you, get their prestretched SS rigging wire. It's still 7 X 7, but isn't oil coated. Rick On 9/24/06, possums wrote: > > At 04:38 PM 9/26/2005, you wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com > > Greetings Kolb fans, > > I'm getting ready to replace the wire bracing on my tail because the cable > > tangs are starting the wear into the thimbles. This morning before I > departed > for Kansas City I looked at my drawings and they call for a 3/32" > stainless > steel cable. The question I have is it 3/32" 7X7 or 3/32"7X19 stainless > steel > cable? > > > You might look into "machine swaged" tail wires with 1/2 > turn buckle > swaged into one end since you already know the length of your wires. > They are adjustable about an 3/4 inch per wire. Lots of AP's have a > swage > machine, hell we got one! (I know I sent you this before but?) > > http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Modtail&swagedwires.jpg > > > And they've got something to take the place of those rusty old muffler > springs > now - if you can afford it. > Cost about $25.00 from CPS and is stainless steel and you don't have to > take your muffler off to put it on. > > Only problem so far.... is that the Stainless Steel tends to cut into > the AN bolts - after about 60 hours. > Solution - > "Order new stainless steel AN (the ones > with the springs) that came with the kit. > > CPS part # 30385 - you can see one at : > > > http://www.adventuremotorsport.com/BallJointMufflerKit.htm > > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:39 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Is Lexan source important? From: "John Bickham" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Bickham" Hello List, Fixing to put all the parts back together. Weather is interfering with priming/painting. It looks like KY got blasted last night. Hope everyone is OK and safe at the Homecoming. On the list is new windscreen and door coverings. I need to purchase some more Lexan (polycarbonate sheet). Searched the archives for tips and tricks. Noticed some older threads about quality of Lexan going down and cracking being a problem. >From another source, read about the box stores (Home "deposit" and not so Lowes) get the cheaper, non-prime Lexan. Any success or horror stories on Lexan from big box stores? Looking for a plastic supplier in area that sells retail. May mail order from a place like -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C "Using my Repairman Certificate" St. Francisville, LA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63560#63560 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:51 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 36 KOLBs From: "ropermike" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ropermike" Do not despair! There is more people learning about Kolbs all the time. I was browsing through Barnstormers a few months ago and found a sweet little Mk ll about 80 miles away and to make a long story short, I am now a Kolb driver. (Still learning). I'm having a ball! I plan to build one in the future but for now my MKll is the apple of my eye!....Mike [/img] -------- The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing!...Mike Hillger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63575#63575 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/me_and_kolb_863.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:29 AM PST US From: APilot@webtv.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail wire brace size --> Kolb-List message posted by: APilot@webtv.net Yesterday, I noticed that Osh in Sacramento sells aircraft cable from 1/16" and larger diameters and sells the swag nicros too. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 36 KOLBs From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" Well Ropermike, Congrats! And welcome. A great forgiving choice among planes. Ask me how I know. No, don't. And Possum said: "Maybe the Kolb market has matured to that of a GA plane. Maybe not so sad?? Maybe a good sign? " You know how long it takes to make good friends now a days? Well, when I left the biker world, I had nuttin in common with most of them anymore. I hope we don't loose anymore. And I hope Kolb factory grows each year in sales! Ohio Ralph Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63622#63622 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:48 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Is Lexan source important? From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" John, I need to get some also .060 thick, lightly smoked if posible, for my overhead gap seal. I guess it could be up to 1/8" thick as the Kolb leading edge is aluminum and wouldn't require any bending. My instructor suggested Mc Master Carr. I haven't looked, but I do know that the stuff is getting more expensive. Let me know what you find. Ohio Ralph Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63625#63625 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:41 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Is Lexan source important? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I'm not sure about the big stores, but my inclination would be to look at the brand of lexan. I kinda think GE or whatever lexan would be the same stuff regardless of where you buy it. The thing I'd watch for is picking it up yourself if possible. I had A/C Spruce ship me a sheet a couple of years ago, and it cost over $50.00 for freight - it's too big for UPS - and that was cut in 1/2, and A/C Spruce' Corona store is only 50 miles away. Dollar a mile. Pretty steep. The package was just 4'x4' and a few inches thick. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bickham" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:40 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Is Lexan source important? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Bickham" > >> >>From another source, read about the box stores (Home "deposit" and not so >>Lowes) get the cheaper, non-prime Lexan. Any success or horror stories on >>Lexan from big box stores? > > Looking for a plastic supplier in area that sells retail. May mail order > from a place like > > -------- > Thanks too much, > > John Bickham > Mark III-C > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:59 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Is Lexan source important? Lexan is the GE trademark for polycarbonate resin. Tuffak and Cyrolon are others. I would suggest doing a little research on the different grades available within each brand. Some are quite a bit better than others. Other things that can be done to minimize crazing and cracking include "flame polishing" the cut edges and heated bending. Larry Bourne wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I'm not sure about the big stores, but my inclination would be to look at the brand of lexan. I kinda think GE or whatever lexan would be the same stuff regardless of where you buy it. The thing I'd watch for is picking it up yourself if possible. I had A/C Spruce ship me a sheet a couple of years ago, and it cost over $50.00 for freight - it's too big for UPS - and that was cut in 1/2, and A/C Spruce' Corona store is only 50 miles away. Dollar a mile. Pretty steep. The package was just 4'x4' and a few inches thick. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bickham" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:40 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Is Lexan source important? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Bickham" > >> >>From another source, read about the box stores (Home "deposit" and not so >>Lowes) get the cheaper, non-prime Lexan. Any success or horror stories on >>Lexan from big box stores? > > Looking for a plastic supplier in area that sells retail. May mail order > from a place like > > -------- > Thanks too much, > > John Bickham > Mark III-C > Dave Downey in SE PA Carpe Tigercubium --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:36 PM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: 36 KOLBs --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" I spoke with Travis at TNK after OSH and he said he's never seen so much interest as he saw this year. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:47 PM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Is Lexan source important? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" > Let me know what you find. > > Ohio Ralph http://www.usplastic.com Try using www.thomasnet.com to search for materials.....quite handy. Jim Baker 580.788.2779 Elmore City, OK ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:55 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Is Lexan source important? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England Ralph Hoover wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" > >John, I need to get some also .060 thick, lightly smoked if posible, for my overhead gap seal. I guess it could be up to 1/8" thick as the Kolb leading edge is aluminum and wouldn't require any bending. > >My instructor suggested Mc Master Carr. I haven't looked, but I do know that the stuff is getting more expensive. > >Let me know what you find. > >Ohio Ralph > Try the Yellow Pages. I recently bought a piece from a local company that does all manner of plastic fab work in acrylic, polycarbonate & (I suppose) other forms of plastic. I just walked in with the old piece (landing light cover for an RV-4) & told them the overall dimensions needed. They went in back, found a scrap that was close & I was out much less than $10. This was in Jackson MS, a comparative backwater of civilization. Even the local Home Depots around here carry both types of plastic in various thicknesses. I'd have gone there, but the walk from the car was shorter at the specialty store & the service was much faster & more knowledgeable. Smoked probably isn't available at the big box stores, but clear shouldn't be any problem. Besides, all you need to do is spill a little fuel on it & lexan will be 'smoked' in a hurry. :-) Charlie ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Good Air Today From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Hey Guys, I saw my fastest Ground speed today , 91 MPH I don't have a full encloser yet , but my air speed was 70-75 today The prop was really getting a hold on the crisp air... There was a 10-20 mph wind but it wasn't gusting , so it was some good flying... Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63665#63665 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbfrstar_300_717.gif ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Is Lexan source important? From: Herb Gayheart --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart Ralph There is a Plastics supply house in every nook and cranny.. Gotta be several in your neighborhood?? They have all kinds of material.. Lexan sheets being one of them.. Local place in Gallatin Tenn,Bruce Plastics, sells .0625 for 65 dollars for a 4x8 sheet.. Clear.. Not sure about smoked?? Herb On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:50:34 -0700 "Ralph Hoover" writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" > > > John, I need to get some also .060 thick, lightly smoked if posible, > for my overhead gap seal. I guess it could be up to 1/8" thick as > the Kolb leading edge is aluminum and wouldn't require any bending. > > My instructor suggested Mc Master Carr. I haven't looked, but I do > know that the stuff is getting more expensive. > > Let me know what you find. > > Ohio Ralph > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63625#63625 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:42 PM PST US From: "john s. flannery" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Good Air Today --> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" Rub it in. But, what's VNE? Groundbound this week. jsf do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Good Air Today > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" > > Hey Guys, > I saw my fastest Ground speed today , 91 MPH > > I don't have a full encloser yet , but my air speed was 70-75 today > > The prop was really getting a hold on the crisp air... > > There was a 10-20 mph wind but it wasn't gusting , so it was some good > > flying... > > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > > -------- > . > . > . > . > . > Do Not Archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63665#63665 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbfrstar_300_717.gif > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:04 PM PST US From: "john s. flannery" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Good Air Today --> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" PS, Hey, Guy, Re: VNE The terminal velocity of a skydiver is about 124 mph (200 kph). Put your nose down and try to exceed it if you want to wind it up permanently, as one of our cancer-ridden buddies did in a Challenger, right in front of his back-country NM hangar. Who know when the wings will come off a Kolb. jsf Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Good Air Today > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" > > Hey Guys, > I saw my fastest Ground speed today , 91 MPH> > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > > -------- > . > . > . > . > . > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63665#63665 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbfrstar_300_717.gif > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:16 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Good Air Today --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne VNE = Velocity, Never-Exceed. You should know this! On Sep 24, 2006, at 9:41 PM, john s. flannery wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" > > > Rub it in. But, what's VNE? > > Groundbound this week. > > jsf > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:54 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Good Air Today > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" >> >> Hey Guys, >> I saw my fastest Ground speed today , 91 MPH >> I don't have a full encloser yet , but my air speed was 70-75 today >> The prop was really getting a hold on the crisp air... >> There was a 10-20 mph wind but it wasn't gusting , so it was >> some good flying... >> Gotta Fly... >> Mike & "Jaz" in MN >> -------- >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> Do Not Archive >> Read this topic online here: >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63665#63665 >> Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ >> kolbfrstar_300_717.gif >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:24 PM PST US From: Subject: Kolb-List: Pulling the wings off a Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: > Who know when the wings will come off a Kolb. I believe John Hauk knows. I seem to recall he had an incident like that once upon a time, during some testing or something. do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:17 PM PST US From: "john s. flannery" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Good Air Today --> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" Come on, Kinne, it's like past the maximum shutter speed of the camera, only in this case the aircraft's safe function. Velocity Never Exceed. I would assume this is a known and published speed for all Kolbs, as it is for all General Aviation aircraft. jsf do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "russ kinne" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Good Air Today > --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne > > VNE = Velocity, Never-Exceed. You should know this! > > On Sep 24, 2006, at 9:41 PM, john s. flannery wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" >> >> >> Rub it in. But, what's VNE? >> >> Groundbound this week. >> >> jsf >> ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:14 PM PST US From: "john s. flannery" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pulling the wings off a Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" Not always a factor of speed, however, but glad he had the chute to throw out. If he had thirteen letters in his name, he'd be one of us...The Black Cat Society, and maybe he sneaked in as some do. We have 13 lives and I've used more than a few. Last was with the red wretch mis-rigged and loose throttle and throttle cable. Am watching it every day. john s flannery do not achieve ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 7:34 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Pulling the wings off a Kolb > --> Kolb-List message posted by: > >> Who know when the wings will come off a Kolb. > > I believe John Hauk knows. I seem to recall he had an incident like that > once upon a time, during some testing or something. > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:28 PM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: Smoked Lexan --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman Hi, Ralph and All, I talked to a pilot somewhere, that said he tinted Lexan with Rit fabric dye. I never tried it, if you try it, let us know if it works. Lanny Fetterman FSII N598LF