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1. 02:32 AM - Re: Good Air Today (planecrazzzy)
2. 02:49 AM - Re: Smoked Lexan (planecrazzzy)
3. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Good Air Today (David Lehman)
4. 11:00 AM - Re: Good Air Today (Ralph Hoover)
5. 11:01 AM - Sport Pilot (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
6. 01:30 PM - Re: Good Air Today (planecrazzzy)
7. 03:20 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (russ kinne)
8. 03:31 PM - First flight of MIIIC N285CZ (Jason Omelchuck)
9. 03:42 PM - Re: Is Lexan source important? (John Bickham)
10. 03:54 PM - Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ (David Key)
11. 04:00 PM - Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ (robert bean)
12. 04:10 PM - Re: Lexan (Larry Rice)
13. 04:26 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
14. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: Is Lexan source important? (George Myers)
15. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Is Lexan source important? (George Myers)
16. 04:35 PM - Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
17. 04:55 PM - Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ (Denny Rowe)
18. 05:35 PM - first flight in MK lll by jason (Arksey@aol.com)
19. 05:36 PM - Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ (George Thompson)
20. 06:28 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (john s. flannery)
21. 06:34 PM - Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ (Richard Pike)
22. 06:53 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (Kolbdriver)
23. 07:14 PM - Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ (Larry Bourne)
24. 08:03 PM - Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
25. 09:10 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (john s. flannery)
26. 09:11 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
27. 11:32 PM - Emailing: DSC_0015, DSC_0020, DSC_0022, DSC_0059, DSC_0067 (Craig Nelson)
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| Subject: | Re: Good Air Today |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Guys,
Vne for my Firestar is when "airspeed" is 90 mph and above ,
I'm not sure what it is for the "Fly" , "Marks" or "Kolbra"...
Yesterday was also the fastest airspeed (75) that I've reached in my
Firestar , most of the time 70 mph has been the limit for me, a few bumps
and I back off the throttle for 60-65 ...
I brought my Bird home yesterday , gotta fix some things, change some
things and get things cleaned up ( Ralph likes to "EAT" things off my
plane) After I had a chance to Fly it for a while , I have a better idea of
some things I want , and where I want them....
Hey Ralph, Like "Fish Scales" ? I'm thinking of putting them on my floor
pans.....Mmmmmm...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Smoked Lexan |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
That's the same way that they "tint" plastis lenses in regular perscription sunglasses
( I just tinted a pair of them last week ) for the glasses , the way
I've know it to be done in the Optical labs is with Rit dye at 180 degrees....
basicly "under" a boil.... depending on how dark you want them,
The glasses that I tinted last week took aprox 1 hr to darken... I couldn't find
a Dark Grey , so I bought a dark Navy Blue....The lens turned out to be more
of a brown color.....
You'd probly be fine dying with Black.... Just don't know how you'd get a tub
of water big enough to put the wind screen in...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Good Air Today |
For the original Firestar (5 rib wing), the VNE is 75 MPH (65 knots if your
on floats) ;-) ...
DVD
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On 9/25/06, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
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> Hey Guys,
> Vne for my Firestar is when "airspeed" is 90 mph and
> above ,
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> I'm not sure what it is for the "Fly" , "Marks" or "Kolbra"...
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> Yesterday was also the fastest airspeed (75) that I've reached in my
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> Firestar , most of the time 70 mph has been the limit for me, a few bumps
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> and I back off the throttle for 60-65 ...
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> I brought my Bird home yesterday , gotta fix some things, change some
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> things and get things cleaned up ( Ralph likes to "EAT" things off my
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> plane) After I had a chance to Fly it for a while , I have a better idea
> of
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> some things I want , and where I want them....
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> Hey Ralph, Like "Fish Scales" ? I'm thinking of putting them on my floor
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> pans.....Mmmmmm...
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> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Good Air Today |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Planecrazzy,
Someday I will own a "origional Planecrazzy Air-deco" piece of art. That is one
fantastic toosh-coush. You could market them if you would put a gauge or two
along the sides.
You bring that plane out here to Ohio and with the fish scale flooring, I put my
brunson under it and we will do some cookin!
I wondered, you said the "do not archive" is part of your signature. Does that
mean "all of your work" will disapear for future drivers like ourselves? Not to
be recorded for posterity, for future generations that will never have the opertunity
to meet the real planecrazzy? Would any man dare distroy a Da Vinchi,
a Van Gough? I tink not (whops, did I talk like a pirate?)?
Ohio Ralph, Waiting with baited breath for your response!
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Guys,
Been flying a lot and I'm real close to taking the Sport Pilot
practical test - hopefully in the first week of Oct. A couple of
questions: What is the best glide speed for a Kolb MkIII? What is Vx
and Vy? (I'm around 50 to 55 for both of them and can't see hardly any
difference in climb rate.) Will take any acvice you can give.
AzDave
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| Subject: | Re: Good Air Today |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Ralph ,
When you talked about eating things off my plane ( and floor ),
you never said nothin about a FLAME... [Shocked]
If guys need info from the archives , they need to look at post's from the "Pro's"....
not mine .... (I look for John's replies)
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" grounded in MN
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> You bring that plane out here to Ohio and with the fish scale flooring, I put
my brunson under it and we will do some cookin!
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> I wondered, you said the "do not archive" is part of your signature. Does that
mean "all of your work" will disapear for future drivers like ourselves?
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Az Dave
You guys should all know the V-speeds; it's pretty basic info. Do
yourself a favor and look them up; less than a dozen.
Won't your SP examiner ask these? He should.
Vx is best angle-of-climb speed, Vy is best rate-of-climb. Important
to know which to use if you want to climb over a ridge or simply gain
altitude quickly.
Best-glide speed should be implanted IN CAPS, in your brain before
you ever fly anywhere, anytime. If the engine quits you don't want to
waste any time trying to remember it.
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On Sep 25, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Been flying a lot and I'm real close to taking the Sport Pilot
> practical test - hopefully in the first week of Oct. A couple of
> questions: What is the best glide speed for a Kolb MkIII? What is
> Vx and Vy? (I'm around 50 to 55 for both of them and can't see
> hardly any difference in climb rate.) Will take any acvice you can
> give.
>
> AzDave
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| Subject: | First flight of MIIIC N285CZ |
Well folks, it finally happened. After more than 12 years of building, My
BMW powered MIII classic flew. I purchased my kit back in 93 I think, it
was not the quick build so I built all the ribs and such myself. The goal
of the plane was to create a basic flying machine with not allot of bells
and whistles. After flying behind two strokes for years, another goal was
to have this aircraft 4 stroke powered. I was under a tight budget and
built it with the minimum amount of tools. I hand pulled all the rivets,
paid the airport $5 here and there to use their shear and lots of penny
pinching by buying used instruments and such. Although I did not keep that
close of tabs, I believe the whole thing came in under $15,000. I had flown
weight shift ultralights back in the 80's but did not have my pilots license
when I started the project. I got my sport pilots license in January in a
J3 and my aircraft is registered Experimental Amateur Built (N285CZ). The
guy from the local FSDO (Hillsboro Oregon) came out and inspected it at my
house and I have nothing but good things to say about my experience with
them, and it was free! I picked an airport with 5000' of runway for my
testing and I am glad I did. On my first flight, at about 500' the engine
quit at the departure end of the runway, I pulled a quick 180 and landed
back on the runway without bending anything. After some noodling on the
problem, It dawned on me that I had seen this problem show its head slightly
in my ground runs and it became apparent to me that it was fuel starvation
(aint hind sight grand). After turning the knob on the fuel pressure
regulator I tried it again (yes I now had a nervous tick) and what I will
call my "real first flight" went off without a hitch. I now have all of the
tweaking to do, put a little more pitch in the prop, Get the slight right
roll out and such. I would like to thank all the people on the list who
have helped and inspired me. Special thanks goes out to the other BMWers on
the list for all of the information and help they supplied - Jim G, Hans V,
and Tim W. I especially enjoy the people on the list who are constantly
tweaking and testing and then sharing with the list, like Richard Pike and
Jack Hart (it sounds like I won an Oscar). I incorporated some of the ideas
of theirs and I am sure I will be using more. I will be updating you all on
my progress and what numbers I am seeing as testing continues.
Jason Omelchuck
MK III C
N285CZ
BMW R100
Portland, OR
FLYING!
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| Subject: | Re: Is Lexan source important? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Bickham" <gearbender@bellsouth.net>
This is what I found out so far.
Big Lar pretty much has this one nailed. It is not how much is the material, but
how much is the shipping. You can find various suppliers like Aircraft Spruce,
US plastics, McMaster-Carr, etc that will ship stuff in 4 ft x 4 ft and bigger
sheets. That is the size I need. The prices are all within a few dollars
of each other.
For instance:
.125" x 4 ft x 4 ft. ASC $62.08 + $35 - $40 shipping
I can get the same Lexan piece from a local supplier (Regal Plastics) for $75.60
and don't have to worry about it getting damaged by some college freshman working
the sorter in Memphis.
The Big Box stores don't carry 1/8" stuff around here. From what I can tell, as
suggested, look locally for Lexan (polycarbonate) to avoid high shipping cost.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C
"Using my Repairman Certificate"
St. Francisville, LA
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| Subject: | First flight of MIIIC N285CZ |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
CONGRADS!! Time to post photos.
>From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
>To: "'Kolb-List Digest Server'" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ
>Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:32:03 -0700
>
>Well folks, it finally happened. After more than 12 years of building, My
>BMW powered MIII classic flew. I purchased my kit back in 93 I think, it
>was not the quick build so I built all the ribs and such myself. The goal
>of the plane was to create a basic flying machine with not allot of bells
>and whistles. After flying behind two strokes for years, another goal was
>to have this aircraft 4 stroke powered. I was under a tight budget and
>built it with the minimum amount of tools. I hand pulled all the rivets,
>paid the airport $5 here and there to use their shear and lots of penny
>pinching by buying used instruments and such. Although I did not keep that
>close of tabs, I believe the whole thing came in under $15,000. I had
>flown
>weight shift ultralights back in the 80's but did not have my pilots
>license
>when I started the project. I got my sport pilots license in January in a
>J3 and my aircraft is registered Experimental Amateur Built (N285CZ). The
>guy from the local FSDO (Hillsboro Oregon) came out and inspected it at my
>house and I have nothing but good things to say about my experience with
>them, and it was free! I picked an airport with 5000' of runway for my
>testing and I am glad I did. On my first flight, at about 500' the engine
>quit at the departure end of the runway, I pulled a quick 180 and landed
>back on the runway without bending anything. After some noodling on the
>problem, It dawned on me that I had seen this problem show its head
>slightly
>in my ground runs and it became apparent to me that it was fuel starvation
>(aint hind sight grand). After turning the knob on the fuel pressure
>regulator I tried it again (yes I now had a nervous tick) and what I will
>call my "real first flight" went off without a hitch. I now have all of
>the
>tweaking to do, put a little more pitch in the prop, Get the slight right
>roll out and such. I would like to thank all the people on the list who
>have helped and inspired me. Special thanks goes out to the other BMWers
>on
>the list for all of the information and help they supplied - Jim G, Hans V,
>and Tim W. I especially enjoy the people on the list who are constantly
>tweaking and testing and then sharing with the list, like Richard Pike and
>Jack Hart (it sounds like I won an Oscar). I incorporated some of the
>ideas
>of theirs and I am sure I will be using more. I will be updating you all
>on
>my progress and what numbers I am seeing as testing continues.
>
>Jason Omelchuck
>MK III C
>N285CZ
>BMW R100
>Portland, OR
>FLYING!
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ |
Jason, A huge congrats! Hope your stomach has settled after such
excitement.
-And a 180 without bending anything, that's a biggie too.
Post a pic of you and your REAL airplane.
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On 25, Sep 2006, at 6:32 PM, Jason Omelchuck wrote:
> Well folks, it finally happened.- After more than 12 years of
> building, My BMW powered MIII classic flew.- I purchased my kit back
> in 93 I think, it was not the quick build so I built all the ribs and
> such myself.- The goal of the plane was to create a basic flying
> machine with not allot of bells and whistles.- After flying behind
two
> strokes for years, another goal was to have this aircraft 4 stroke
> powered.- I was under a tight budget and built it with the minimum
> amount of tools.- I hand pulled all the rivets, paid the airport $5
> here and there to use their shear and lots of penny pinching by buying
> used instruments and such.- Although I did not keep that close of
> tabs, I believe the whole thing came in under $15,000.- I had flown
> weight shift ultralights back in the 80's but did not have my pilots
> license when I started the project.- I got my sport pilots license
in
> January in a J3 and my aircraft is registered Experimental Amateur
> Built (N285CZ).- The guy from the local FSDO (Hillsboro Oregon)-came
> out and inspected it at my house and I have nothing but good things to
> say about my experience with them, and it was free!- I picked an
> airport with 5000' of runway for my testing and I am glad I did.- On
> my first flight, at about 500' the engine quit at the departure end of
> the runway, I pulled a quick 180 and landed back on the runway without
> bending anything.- After some noodling on the problem, It dawned on
me
> that I had seen this problem show its head slightly in my ground runs
> and it became apparent to me that it was fuel starvation (aint hind
> sight grand).- After turning the knob on the fuel pressure regulator
I
> tried it again (yes I now had a nervous tick) and what I will call my
> "real first flight" went off without a hitch.- I now have all of the
> tweaking to do, put a little more pitch in the prop, Get the slight
> right roll out and such.- I would like to thank all the people on
the
> list who have helped and inspired me.- Special thanks goes out to
the
> other BMWers on the list for all of the information and help they
> supplied --Jim G, Hans V, and Tim W.- I especially enjoy the
people on
> the list who are constantly tweaking and testing and then sharing with
> the list, like Richard Pike and Jack Hart (it sounds like I won an
> Oscar).- I incorporated some of the ideas of theirs and I am sure I
> will be using more.- I will be updating you all on my progress and
> what numbers I am seeing as testing continues.
> -
> Jason Omelchuck
> MK III C
> N285CZ
> BMW R100
> Portland, OR
> FLYING!
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Larry Rice <rice@iapdatacom.net>
The biggest problem with Lexan, outside of sensitivity to fuel, is that
it's easily damaged by UV light. While it's no cure, UV stabilized
grades of Lexan last better when used outside. The UV stabilized grades
look very slightly bluish. Lack of this UV stabilization may be why a
lot of cheaper polycarbonates don't last.
Larry the Micro Mong guy
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Russ,
I agree. But where do I look them up? That's my question. I'm
about the fifth owner of this plane and no paperwork came with it. In
testing, best glide seems to be at 50 mph. I know what Vx and Vy are
defined as. I don't know if there are any "official" numbers for the
Kolb MkIII. Vx and Vy seem to be 50 and 55 mph, but that's what I get
when I test it. There seems to be no difference in climb from one of
these speeds to the other. Depending on conditions, I'm climbing at 200
to 300 fpm at both of these speeds. If I go to higher or lower speeds,
the climb rate drops. I forgot to mention, I'm flying a MKIII with a
582.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: russ kinne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
Az Dave
You guys should all know the V-speeds; it's pretty basic info. Do
yourself a favor and look them up; less than a dozen.
Won't your SP examiner ask these? He should.
Vx is best angle-of-climb speed, Vy is best rate-of-climb. Important
to know which to use if you want to climb over a ridge or simply gain
altitude quickly.
Best-glide speed should be implanted IN CAPS, in your brain before you
ever fly anywhere, anytime. If the engine quits you don't want to waste
any time trying to remember it.
do not archive
On Sep 25, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:
Guys,
Been flying a lot and I'm real close to taking the Sport Pilot
practical test - hopefully in the first week of Oct. A couple of
questions: What is the best glide speed for a Kolb MkIII? What is Vx
and Vy? (I'm around 50 to 55 for both of them and can't see hardly any
difference in climb rate.) Will take any acvice you can give.
AzDave
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| Subject: | Re: Is Lexan source important? |
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| Subject: | Re: Is Lexan source important? |
-------Original Message-------
>shipping. You can find various suppliers like Aircraft Spruce, US plasti
cs,
McMaster-Carr, >etc that will ship stuff in 4 ft x 4 ft and bigger sheets
=2E
That is the size I need. The prices
>are all within a few >dollars of each other.
One of the best places to get Lexan is your friendly local glass company
(window, Auto ect). Most of them stock or can order in what you need, and
they'll cut it for you too.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ |
GREAT!!!...Wow Engine out and 180 on your first flight. Sure am glad
you didn't bend anything. So a big CONGRATULATIONS on completing and
flying your project. When George and I visited you last month, we were
both impressed with what you've done and now it's in the air. YAY! Now
will we see it fly in MV next year?????
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Omelchuck
To: 'Kolb-List Digest Server'
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:32 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ
Well folks, it finally happened. After more than 12 years of
building, My BMW powered MIII classic flew.
On my first flight, at about 500' the engine quit at the departure
end of the runway, I pulled a quick 180 and landed back on the runway
without bending anything.
Jason Omelchuck
MK III C
N285CZ
BMW R100
Portland, OR
FLYING!
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ |
Huge Congrats to you Jason.
I am looking foreward to hearing all the details.
Fly Safe.
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Omelchuck
To: 'Kolb-List Digest Server'
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ
Well folks, it finally happened. After more than 12 years of
building, My BMW powered MIII classic flew. I purchased my kit back in
93 I think, it was not the quick build so I built all the ribs and such
myself. The goal of the plane was to create a basic flying machine with
not allot of bells and whistles. After flying behind two strokes for
years, another goal was to have this aircraft 4 stroke powered. I was
under a tight budget and built it with the minimum amount of tools. I
hand pulled all the rivets, paid the airport $5 here and there to use
their shear and lots of penny pinching by buying used instruments and
such. Although I did not keep that close of tabs, I believe the whole
thing came in under $15,000. I had flown weight shift ultralights back
in the 80's but did not have my pilots license when I started the
project. I got my sport pilots license in January in a J3 and my
aircraft is registered Experimental Amateur Built (N285CZ). The guy
from the local FSDO (Hillsboro Oregon) came out and inspected it at my
house and I have nothing but good things to say about my experience with
them, and it was free! I picked an airport with 5000' of runway for my
testing and I am glad I did. On my first flight, at about 500' the
engine quit at the departure end of the runway, I pulled a quick 180 and
landed back on the runway without bending anything. After some noodling
on the problem, It dawned on me that I had seen this problem show its
head slightly in my ground runs and it became apparent to me that it was
fuel starvation (aint hind sight grand). After turning the knob on the
fuel pressure regulator I tried it again (yes I now had a nervous tick)
and what I will call my "real first flight" went off without a hitch. I
now have all of the tweaking to do, put a little more pitch in the prop,
Get the slight right roll out and such. I would like to thank all the
people on the list who have helped and inspired me. Special thanks goes
out to the other BMWers on the list for all of the information and help
they supplied - Jim G, Hans V, and Tim W. I especially enjoy the people
on the list who are constantly tweaking and testing and then sharing
with the list, like Richard Pike and Jack Hart (it sounds like I won an
Oscar). I incorporated some of the ideas of theirs and I am sure I will
be using more. I will be updating you all on my progress and what
numbers I am seeing as testing continues.
Jason Omelchuck
MK III C
N285CZ
BMW R100
Portland, OR
FLYING!
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| Subject: | first flight in MK lll by jason |
Hey jason,
Way to go...good for you and your first flight...yes do keep us posted on
your future flights and progress....fly safe...
jim swan fs ll
mich.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ |
Congratulations Jason. When Az Dave and Looked over your installation, I
was very impressed. I feel that you will have yourself a very reliable
flying machine. I really liked your set up and I would encourage others
to follow through. The Bimmer is a bullet proof power plant and I think
it will be a good power plant for us experimenters.
Az Bald Eagle
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Omelchuck
To: 'Kolb-List Digest Server'
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:32 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ
Well folks, it finally happened. After more than 12 years of
building, My BMW powered MIII classic flew. I purchased my kit back in
93 I think, it was not the quick build so I built all the ribs and such
myself. The goal of the plane was to create a basic flying machine with
not allot of bells and whistles. After flying behind two strokes for
years, another goal was to have this aircraft 4 stroke powered. I was
under a tight budget and built it with the minimum amount of tools. I
hand pulled all the rivets, paid the airport $5 here and there to use
their shear and lots of penny pinching by buying used instruments and
such. Although I did not keep that close of tabs, I believe the whole
thing came in under $15,000. I had flown weight shift ultralights back
in the 80's but did not have my pilots license when I started the
project. I got my sport pilots license in January in a J3 and my
aircraft is registered Experimental Amateur Built (N285CZ). The guy
from the local FSDO (Hillsboro Oregon) came out and inspected it at my
house and I have nothing but good things to say about my experience with
them, and it was free! I picked an airport with 5000' of runway for my
testing and I am glad I did. On my first flight, at about 500' the
engine quit at the departure end of the runway, I pulled a quick 180 and
landed back on the runway without bending anything. After some noodling
on the problem, It dawned on me that I had seen this problem show its
head slightly in my ground runs and it became apparent to me that it was
fuel starvation (aint hind sight grand). After turning the knob on the
fuel pressure regulator I tried it again (yes I now had a nervous tick)
and what I will call my "real first flight" went off without a hitch. I
now have all of the tweaking to do, put a little more pitch in the prop,
Get the slight right roll out and such. I would like to thank all the
people on the list who have helped and inspired me. Special thanks goes
out to the other BMWers on the list for all of the information and help
they supplied - Jim G, Hans V, and Tim W. I especially enjoy the people
on the list who are constantly tweaking and testing and then sharing
with the list, like Richard Pike and Jack Hart (it sounds like I won an
Oscar). I incorporated some of the ideas of theirs and I am sure I will
be using more. I will be updating you all on my progress and what
numbers I am seeing as testing continues.
Jason Omelchuck
MK III C
N285CZ
BMW R100
Portland, OR
FLYING!
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AZDave,
Doubt their is much difference in, or too much concern about Vx and Vy
where 50 to 55 can be an inch of stick or a slight gust, and I firmly
believe the one to be concerned about in any of these is VNE. Anybody
know what it is on the Mark III?
When I can get the problems half straightened out with the Mark III and
can fly, I am getting 500 fpm and sometimes 700 fpm on takeoff when
density altitude drops below 6K here in southern NM. It's beginning to
drop with change in weather. Now if I just ordered the right parts ...
jsf
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave & Eve Pelletier
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
Russ,
I agree. But where do I look them up? That's my question. I'm
about the fifth owner of this plane and no paperwork came with it. In
testing, best glide seems to be at 50 mph. I know what Vx and Vy are
defined as. I don't know if there are any "official" numbers for the
Kolb MkIII. Vx and Vy seem to be 50 and 55 mph, but that's what I get
when I test it. There seems to be no difference in climb from one of
these speeds to the other. Depending on conditions, I'm climbing at 200
to 300 fpm at both of these speeds. If I go to higher or lower speeds,
the climb rate drops. I forgot to mention, I'm flying a MKIII with a
582.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: russ kinne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
Az Dave
You guys should all know the V-speeds; it's pretty basic info. Do
yourself a favor and look them up; less than a dozen.
Won't your SP examiner ask these? He should.
Vx is best angle-of-climb speed, Vy is best rate-of-climb. Important
to know which to use if you want to climb over a ridge or simply gain
altitude quickly.
Best-glide speed should be implanted IN CAPS, in your brain before
you ever fly anywhere, anytime. If the engine quits you don't want to
waste any time trying to remember it.
do not archive
On Sep 25, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:
Guys,
Been flying a lot and I'm real close to taking the Sport Pilot
practical test - hopefully in the first week of Oct. A couple of
questions: What is the best glide speed for a Kolb MkIII? What is Vx
and Vy? (I'm around 50 to 55 for both of them and can't see hardly any
difference in climb rate.) Will take any acvice you can give.
AzDave
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ |
Congratulations on everything. When you get a chance, would love to see
pictures of the BMW engine and installation, and details of how it was
done.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Omelchuck
To: 'Kolb-List Digest Server'
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ
Well folks, it finally happened. After more than 12 years of
building, My BMW powered MIII classic flew. I purchased my kit back in
93 I think, it was not the quick build so I built all the ribs and such
myself. The goal of the plane was to create a basic flying machine with
not allot of bells and whistles. After flying behind two strokes for
years, another goal was to have this aircraft 4 stroke powered. I was
under a tight budget and built it with the minimum amount of tools. I
hand pulled all the rivets, paid the airport $5 here and there to use
their shear and lots of penny pinching by buying used instruments and
such. Although I did not keep that close of tabs, I believe the whole
thing came in under $15,000. I had flown weight shift ultralights back
in the 80's but did not have my pilots license when I started the
project. I got my sport pilots license in January in a J3 and my
aircraft is registered Experimental Amateur Built (N285CZ). The guy
from the local FSDO (Hillsboro Oregon) came out and inspected it at my
house and I have nothing but good things to say about my experience with
them, and it was free! I picked an airport with 5000' of runway for my
testing and I am glad I did. On my first flight, at about 500' the
engine quit at the departure end of the runway, I pulled a quick 180 and
landed back on the runway without bending anything. After some noodling
on the problem, It dawned on me that I had seen this problem show its
head slightly in my ground runs and it became apparent to me that it was
fuel starvation (aint hind sight grand). After turning the knob on the
fuel pressure regulator I tried it again (yes I now had a nervous tick)
and what I will call my "real first flight" went off without a hitch. I
now have all of the tweaking to do, put a little more pitch in the prop,
Get the slight right roll out and such. I would like to thank all the
people on the list who have helped and inspired me. Special thanks goes
out to the other BMWers on the list for all of the information and help
they supplied - Jim G, Hans V, and Tim W. I especially enjoy the people
on the list who are constantly tweaking and testing and then sharing
with the list, like Richard Pike and Jack Hart (it sounds like I won an
Oscar). I incorporated some of the ideas of theirs and I am sure I will
be using more. I will be updating you all on my progress and what
numbers I am seeing as testing continues.
Jason Omelchuck
MK III C
N285CZ
BMW R100
Portland, OR
FLYING!
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According to the paperwork that came from Phoenixville the VNE of the Mark
III is 100MPH.
Mike
Oak Grove Missouri
Mark III Classic (one of the last of Old Kolb) - 0hrs
Suzuki G13B 1.3L - 0hrs
Started with Big Lar still behind...
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_____
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john s. flannery
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
AZDave,
Doubt their is much difference in, or too much concern about Vx and Vy where
50 to 55 can be an inch of stick or a slight gust, and I firmly believe the
one to be concerned about in any of these is VNE. Anybody know what it is on
the Mark III?
When I can get the problems half straightened out with the Mark III and can
fly, I am getting 500 fpm and sometimes 700 fpm on takeoff when density
altitude drops below 6K here in southern NM. It's beginning to drop with
change in weather. Now if I just ordered the right parts ...
jsf
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave <mailto:pelletier@cableone.net> & Eve Pelletier
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
Russ,
I agree. But where do I look them up? That's my question. I'm about
the fifth owner of this plane and no paperwork came with it. In testing,
best glide seems to be at 50 mph. I know what Vx and Vy are defined as. I
don't know if there are any "official" numbers for the Kolb MkIII. Vx and
Vy seem to be 50 and 55 mph, but that's what I get when I test it. There
seems to be no difference in climb from one of these speeds to the other.
Depending on conditions, I'm climbing at 200 to 300 fpm at both of these
speeds. If I go to higher or lower speeds, the climb rate drops. I forgot
to mention, I'm flying a MKIII with a 582.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: russ kinne <mailto:kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
Az Dave
You guys should all know the V-speeds; it's pretty basic info. Do yourself a
favor and look them up; less than a dozen.
Won't your SP examiner ask these? He should.
Vx is best angle-of-climb speed, Vy is best rate-of-climb. Important to know
which to use if you want to climb over a ridge or simply gain altitude
quickly.
Best-glide speed should be implanted IN CAPS, in your brain before you ever
fly anywhere, anytime. If the engine quits you don't want to waste any time
trying to remember it.
do not archive
On Sep 25, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:
Guys,
Been flying a lot and I'm real close to taking the Sport Pilot practical
test - hopefully in the first week of Oct. A couple of questions: What is
the best glide speed for a Kolb MkIII? What is Vx and Vy? (I'm around 50
to 55 for both of them and can't see hardly any difference in climb rate.)
Will take any acvice you can give.
AzDave
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ |
Good going, and good flying, Jason. Congratulations.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Omelchuck
To: 'Kolb-List Digest Server'
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:32 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ
Well folks, it finally happened. After more than 12 years of
building, My BMW powered MIII classic flew. I purchased my kit back in
93 I think, it was not the quick build so I built all the ribs and such
myself. The goal of the plane was to create a basic flying machine with
not allot of bells and whistles. After flying behind two strokes for
years, another goal was to have this aircraft 4 stroke powered. I was
under a tight budget and built it with the minimum amount of tools. I
hand pulled all the rivets, paid the airport $5 here and there to use
their shear and lots of penny pinching by buying used instruments and
such. Although I did not keep that close of tabs, I believe the whole
thing came in under $15,000. I had flown weight shift ultralights back
in the 80's but did not have my pilots license when I started the
project. I got my sport pilots license in January in a J3 and my
aircraft is registered Experimental Amateur Built (N285CZ). The guy
from the local FSDO (Hillsboro Oregon) came out and inspected it at my
house and I have nothing but good things to say about my experience with
them, and it was free! I picked an airport with 5000' of runway for my
testing and I am glad I did. On my first flight, at about 500' the
engine quit at the departure end of the runway, I pulled a quick 180 and
landed back on the runway without bending anything. After some noodling
on the problem, It dawned on me that I had seen this problem show its
head slightly in my ground runs and it became apparent to me that it was
fuel starvation (aint hind sight grand). After turning the knob on the
fuel pressure regulator I tried it again (yes I now had a nervous tick)
and what I will call my "real first flight" went off without a hitch. I
now have all of the tweaking to do, put a little more pitch in the prop,
Get the slight right roll out and such. I would like to thank all the
people on the list who have helped and inspired me. Special thanks goes
out to the other BMWers on the list for all of the information and help
they supplied - Jim G, Hans V, and Tim W. I especially enjoy the people
on the list who are constantly tweaking and testing and then sharing
with the list, like Richard Pike and Jack Hart (it sounds like I won an
Oscar). I incorporated some of the ideas of theirs and I am sure I will
be using more. I will be updating you all on my progress and what
numbers I am seeing as testing continues.
Jason Omelchuck
MK III C
N285CZ
BMW R100
Portland, OR
FLYING!
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of MIIIC N285CZ |
Congrats Jason
I like Richard Pike would like to see pictures and details of your BMW
powered MK3
Clear skys to you for a long time
Ellery
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Thanks, And, do you believe that, with a Kolb Mark III of unknown age,
use, and provenance, covered with very thin but clean fabric you can't
define? And no built-in umbrella or falschirm? But, it has held
together at 70, maybe plus to date. Think my old-tried-it-still-here
side says " I shan't seek 100 mph." Nor shall I creep much past 70
indicated. Verily and foresooth as the boys say.
And next, the flaps extension speed and how many threads should be
concealed in the flap rod. An A&P messed up the flap levers rebuild and
had to back out to get flaps balanced with underside of wings at
0-degrees or lose 5 mph.
jsf
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kolbdriver
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
According to the paperwork that came from Phoenixville the VNE of the
Mark III is 100MPH.
Mike
Oak Grove Missouri
Mark III Classic (one of the last of Old Kolb) - 0hrs
Suzuki G13B 1.3L - 0hrs
Started with Big Lar still behind...
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john s.
flannery
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:27 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
AZDave,
Doubt their is much difference in, or too much concern about Vx and Vy
where 50 to 55 can be an inch of stick or a slight gust, and I firmly
believe the one to be concerned about in any of these is VNE. Anybody
know what it is on the Mark III?
When I can get the problems half straightened out with the Mark III
and can fly, I am getting 500 fpm and sometimes 700 fpm on takeoff
when density altitude drops below 6K here in southern NM. It's beginning
to drop with change in weather. Now if I just ordered the right parts
...
jsf
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave & Eve Pelletier
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
Russ,
I agree. But where do I look them up? That's my question. I'm
about the fifth owner of this plane and no paperwork came with it. In
testing, best glide seems to be at 50 mph. I know what Vx and Vy are
defined as. I don't know if there are any "official" numbers for the
Kolb MkIII. Vx and Vy seem to be 50 and 55 mph, but that's what I get
when I test it. There seems to be no difference in climb from one of
these speeds to the other. Depending on conditions, I'm climbing at 200
to 300 fpm at both of these speeds. If I go to higher or lower speeds,
the climb rate drops. I forgot to mention, I'm flying a MKIII with a
582.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: russ kinne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
Az Dave
You guys should all know the V-speeds; it's pretty basic info. Do
yourself a favor and look them up; less than a dozen.
Won't your SP examiner ask these? He should.
Vx is best angle-of-climb speed, Vy is best rate-of-climb.
Important to know which to use if you want to climb over a ridge or
simply gain altitude quickly.
Best-glide speed should be implanted IN CAPS, in your brain before
you ever fly anywhere, anytime. If the engine quits you don't want to
waste any time trying to remember it.
do not archive
On Sep 25, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:
Guys,
Been flying a lot and I'm real close to taking the Sport Pilot
practical test - hopefully in the first week of Oct. A couple of
questions: What is the best glide speed for a Kolb MkIII? What is Vx
and Vy? (I'm around 50 to 55 for both of them and can't see hardly any
difference in climb rate.) Will take any acvice you can give.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: john s. flannery
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
AZDave,
Doubt their is much difference in, or too much concern about Vx and Vy
where 50 to 55 can be an inch of stick or a slight gust, and I firmly
believe the one to be concerned about in any of these is VNE. Anybody
know what it is on the Mark III?
John,
As best as I can find out, Vne on my MkIII is 90 mph. That's how
I've marked my ASI.
AzDave
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