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1. 02:12 AM - Re: 180 turn back to runway (first flight) (David Lucas)
2. 04:47 AM - Re: fuel troubles (Richard Girard)
3. 04:51 AM - Re: Landing light wagger (Dickk9@aol.com)
4. 05:00 AM - Re: fuel troubles (Jack B. Hart)
5. 05:52 AM - Re: fuel troubles (Ed Chmielewski)
6. 05:58 AM - Re: tip modification (Larry Cottrell)
7. 06:48 AM - Re: fuel troubles (Richard Pike)
8. 06:59 AM - Re: fuel troubles (Richard Pike)
9. 07:02 AM - Re: Dart flys again (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
10. 08:48 AM - Re: fuel troubles (George Thompson)
11. 07:37 PM - Re: Landing light wagger (WillUribe@aol.com)
12. 08:35 PM - Re: Dart flys again (Larry Cottrell)
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| Subject: | Re: 180 turn back to runway (first flight) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas@hotmail.com>
Just thought I'd mention another factor - after the 180 turn is completed.
I fly regional RPT in a twin turbo prop and often, to fit in with noise abatement,
ATC flow etc we land on a runway with a tailwind up to 10 knots (greater than
10 knots they change the runway). In addition, whilst it may be at or below
10 knots tailwind on the ground, even 100 feet above the runway the wind can
be stronger, so more tailwind !
The effect of a gust is very noticeable as it is now performance reducing, ie your
indicated airspeed will drop with a gust of wind from the rear. So your lift
drops proportionaly and without recovery action you sure sink quick ! But if
you've turned back due to an engine failure your 'recovery' options would be
limited to whatever performance margin / energy you have left over the stall
speed in your current configeration.
I hate downwind landings ! They just don't feel right, and I'm talking about final
approach speeds of around 100 to 120 knots so a 10 knot gust is a relatively
small proportion that you can handle, though sometimes the landing is more
an 'arrival', if you know what I mean ;-)
In a kolb with much less 'energy' reserves it could be a quite different matter.
Nb. I'm talking theoreticaly here as I have not yet got any experience in anything
as light as the Kolb. But, nevertheless, a turn back decision, a decision
which has to me made fairly quickly, might not be the best decision even given
the positive repies of earlier posts.
Safe flying all. David.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64610#64610
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| Subject: | Re: fuel troubles |
Larry, My outcome was a bit better than yours when my primer bulb went south
as I was still over the runway. It's been noted here by others how
vulnerable the fuel system is with a primer bulb in the main fuel line. The
solution, one of many, I'm sure, is well documented, just put a bypass line
around the bulb so fuel will flow if the check valves jam up and pinch this
line off when the primer bulb is needed. The only problem I've found with
this is that Bing blue fuel line is stout stuff. My solution to my weak
fingers is to put in an inline valve (CPS part no. 7215) into the bypass
line and a nylon tie to lock the valve in the open position for flight (I
had one vibrate closed on my Kasperwing). Less than $20 for the valve, tees,
and clamps.
Congrats on getting back into the air and finding the problem, too.
Rick
On 9/28/06, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
>
> As I mentioned earlier I finished the Firestar to the point that I could
> get her back in the air. As you might remember I had to make an off field
> landing in the first part of May and ended up on my back with my wheels in
> the air.
>
> The only real damage to the structure was the tube that the rudder pedals
> set on. The fabric was trashed in transporting it to a trailer across hill
> and dale. I found when I recovered it that auto paint and stitts fabric
> apparently do not mix well. At least that was the AD that came with my
> covering kit. The paint of course was auto paint. I had wanted to recover it
> this winter any way. Just not at the beginning of summer.
>
> I decided that if I was going to have to traverse this hostile terrain
> then I would need bigger tires, less air. I got some rims from Thom, put
> 800x6 on them. Got some new landing gear from Terry Davis. Next was a new
> pod from TNK, EIS with a remote which I mounted on the stick grip (new)(
> Thanks John Williamson for the idea). I made a gascolater (Jim Heffner)
> ordered new tubing, pulse line, ELT, ( so the wife can find me) Strobes, new
> Warp Drive prop, new fuel sending tubes, (still don't work, wrong solution
> to the problem obviously).
>
> I spent about a month and half working on getting the new place squared
> away, and getting ready for the winter to come. Then finally on Aug 18 Roger
> Hankins came over to help me get started. We worked 16 hours a day for 8 or
> 9 days getting the covering on. After that of course came the paint process.
> Unfortunately due to desert conditions the paint is not as perfect as the
> covering job, but it will do nicely.
>
> So today I finally got every thing ready to test fly. I set my new prop to
> 9 degrees (6200 on ground) and as I was getting ready to taxi, noticed that
> there was something wrong with the fuel delivery. It seemed to level out. I
> tried extended runs with the plane chained to the tractor, but the prop was
> picking up rocks from the ground and I had to quit. Karen went half way down
> the runway to watch, and I gave it full throttle and took off. I got up a
> couple hundred feet and the rpm's cut back. I whipped around and put it on
> the ground and taxied back to the hanger. To make a long story shorter, I
> first changed the main jet. ( needed to do that since I had remover the
> silencer) flew and had the same problem. Cut out the gascolater, same.
> changed the pulse pump-same, cut out the lines going to the gas selector -
> same, cut out the squeeze bulb- bingo! That was a brand new bulb purchased
> from Aircraft Spruce to replace the old one. It appeared to work ok, but
> apparently there was a problem with the check valve in it. I could run at
> reduced rpm's just not enough to climb. Lucky for me that it would at least
> keep on running enough to get me around to the runway to land or I would
> have had another sage brush landing again. Don't need that at all.
>
> I am going to be tied up for tomorrow, but Sat will be when I can get to
> her again and do some of the finish odds and ends left to do. I am going to
> have to reset my prop a little less pitch, and then I will be able to
> evaluate what the new warp will do. Daryl claimed that it would increase my
> speed by about 10 MPH. I got the one with the nickel leading edge and the
> mod to the tip. That particular mod cost me an extra 110 bucks
>
> Its good to be back in the sky again!
> Larry, Oregon
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Landing light wagger |
Yes, try _info@msquaredaircraft.com_ (mailto:info@msquaredaircraft.com)
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| Subject: | Re: fuel troubles |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
.................................
I got the one with the nickel leading edge and the mod to the tip. That
particular mod cost me an extra 110 bucks
.................................
Larry,
What was the tip mod?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: fuel troubles |
Richard/All,
Would it be possible in future replies not to re-post the entire
text including picture? Helps those of us on dial-up out.
Great post, Larry! You put in a lot of work this summer.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fuel troubles
Larry, My outcome was a bit better than yours when my primer bulb went
south as I was still over the runway. It's been noted here by others how
vulnerable the fuel system is with a primer bulb in the main fuel line.
The solution, one of many, I'm sure, is well documented, just put a
bypass line around the bulb so fuel will flow if the check valves jam up
and pinch this line off when the primer bulb is needed. The only problem
I've found with this is that Bing blue fuel line is stout stuff. My
solution to my weak fingers is to put in an inline valve (CPS part no.
7215) into the bypass line and a nylon tie to lock the valve in the open
position for flight (I had one vibrate closed on my Kasperwing). Less
than $20 for the valve, tees, and clamps.
Congrats on getting back into the air and finding the problem, too.
Rick
On 9/28/06, Larry Cottrell < lcottrell@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
As I mentioned earlier I finished the Firestar to the point that I
could get her back in the air. As you might remember I had to make an
off field landing in the first part of May and ended up on my back with
my wheels in the air.
The only real damage to the structure was the tube that the rudder
pedals set on. The fabric was trashed in transporting it to a trailer
across hill and dale. I found when I recovered it that auto paint and
stitts fabric apparently do not mix well. At least that was the AD that
came with my covering kit. The paint of course was auto paint. I had
wanted to recover it this winter any way. Just not at the beginning of
summer.
(Snip)
Its good to be back in the sky again!
Larry, Oregon
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: tip modification |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
> I got the one with the nickel leading edge and the mod to the tip. That
> particular mod cost me an extra 110 bucks
>
> .................................
>
> Larry,
>
> What was the tip mod?
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
Here is a picture of the modification.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: fuel troubles |
Sounds like you are about to get it whipped. And it looks great now.
rp
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:59 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: fuel troubles
As I mentioned earlier I finished the Firestar to the point that I
could get her back in the air. As you might remember I had to make an
off field landing in the first part of May and ended up on my back with
my wheels in the air.
The only real damage to the structure was the tube that the rudder
pedals set on. The fabric was trashed in transporting it to a trailer
across hill and dale. I found when I recovered it that auto paint and
stitts fabric apparently do not mix well. At least that was the AD that
came with my covering kit. The paint of course was auto paint. I had
wanted to recover it this winter any way. Just not at the beginning of
summer.
I decided that if I was going to have to traverse this hostile terrain
then I would need bigger tires, less air. I got some rims from Thom, put
800x6 on them. Got some new landing gear from Terry Davis. Next was a
new pod from TNK, EIS with a remote which I mounted on the stick grip
(new)( Thanks John Williamson for the idea). I made a gascolater (Jim
Heffner) ordered new tubing, pulse line, ELT, ( so the wife can find me)
Strobes, new Warp Drive prop, new fuel sending tubes, (still don't work,
wrong solution to the problem obviously).
I spent about a month and half working on getting the new place
squared away, and getting ready for the winter to come. Then finally on
Aug 18 Roger Hankins came over to help me get started. We worked 16
hours a day for 8 or 9 days getting the covering on. After that of
course came the paint process. Unfortunately due to desert conditions
the paint is not as perfect as the covering job, but it will do nicely.
So today I finally got every thing ready to test fly. I set my new
prop to 9 degrees (6200 on ground) and as I was getting ready to taxi,
noticed that there was something wrong with the fuel delivery. It seemed
to level out. I tried extended runs with the plane chained to the
tractor, but the prop was picking up rocks from the ground and I had to
quit. Karen went half way down the runway to watch, and I gave it full
throttle and took off. I got up a couple hundred feet and the rpm's cut
back. I whipped around and put it on the ground and taxied back to the
hanger. To make a long story shorter, I first changed the main jet. (
needed to do that since I had remover the silencer) flew and had the
same problem. Cut out the gascolater, same. changed the pulse pump-same,
cut out the lines going to the gas selector - same, cut out the squeeze
bulb- bingo! That was a brand new bulb purchased from Aircraft Spruce to
replace the old one. It appeared to work ok, but apparently there was a
problem with the check valve in it. I could run at reduced rpm's just
not enough to climb. Lucky for me that it would at least keep on running
enough to get me around to the runway to land or I would have had
another sage brush landing again. Don't need that at all.
I am going to be tied up for tomorrow, but Sat will be when I can get
to her again and do some of the finish odds and ends left to do. I am
going to have to reset my prop a little less pitch, and then I will be
able to evaluate what the new warp will do. Daryl claimed that it would
increase my speed by about 10 MPH. I got the one with the nickel leading
edge and the mod to the tip. That particular mod cost me an extra 110
bucks
Its good to be back in the sky again!
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: fuel troubles |
Sorry Larry, I meant to reply to the other message, the one with the
plane all fixed up and shiny. And I didn't know it was going to the
list.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Pike
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fuel troubles
Sounds like you are about to get it whipped. And it looks great now.
rp
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:59 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: fuel troubles
As I mentioned earlier I finished the Firestar to the point that I
could get her back in the air. As you might remember I had to make an
off field landing in the first part of May and ended up on my back with
my wheels in the air.
The only real damage to the structure was the tube that the rudder
pedals set on. The fabric was trashed in transporting it to a trailer
across hill and dale. I found when I recovered it that auto paint and
stitts fabric apparently do not mix well. At least that was the AD that
came with my covering kit. The paint of course was auto paint. I had
wanted to recover it this winter any way. Just not at the beginning of
summer.
I decided that if I was going to have to traverse this hostile
terrain then I would need bigger tires, less air. I got some rims from
Thom, put 800x6 on them. Got some new landing gear from Terry Davis.
Next was a new pod from TNK, EIS with a remote which I mounted on the
stick grip (new)( Thanks John Williamson for the idea). I made a
gascolater (Jim Heffner) ordered new tubing, pulse line, ELT, ( so the
wife can find me) Strobes, new Warp Drive prop, new fuel sending tubes,
(still don't work, wrong solution to the problem obviously).
I spent about a month and half working on getting the new place
squared away, and getting ready for the winter to come. Then finally on
Aug 18 Roger Hankins came over to help me get started. We worked 16
hours a day for 8 or 9 days getting the covering on. After that of
course came the paint process. Unfortunately due to desert conditions
the paint is not as perfect as the covering job, but it will do nicely.
So today I finally got every thing ready to test fly. I set my new
prop to 9 degrees (6200 on ground) and as I was getting ready to taxi,
noticed that there was something wrong with the fuel delivery. It seemed
to level out. I tried extended runs with the plane chained to the
tractor, but the prop was picking up rocks from the ground and I had to
quit. Karen went half way down the runway to watch, and I gave it full
throttle and took off. I got up a couple hundred feet and the rpm's cut
back. I whipped around and put it on the ground and taxied back to the
hanger. To make a long story shorter, I first changed the main jet. (
needed to do that since I had remover the silencer) flew and had the
same problem. Cut out the gascolater, same. changed the pulse pump-same,
cut out the lines going to the gas selector - same, cut out the squeeze
bulb- bingo! That was a brand new bulb purchased from Aircraft Spruce to
replace the old one. It appeared to work ok, but apparently there was a
problem with the check valve in it. I could run at reduced rpm's just
not enough to climb. Lucky for me that it would at least keep on running
enough to get me around to the runway to land or I would have had
another sage brush landing again. Don't need that at all.
I am going to be tied up for tomorrow, but Sat will be when I can
get to her again and do some of the finish odds and ends left to do. I
am going to have to reset my prop a little less pitch, and then I will
be able to evaluate what the new warp will do. Daryl claimed that it
would increase my speed by about 10 MPH. I got the one with the nickel
leading edge and the mod to the tip. That particular mod cost me an
extra 110 bucks
Its good to be back in the sky again!
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Dart flys again |
All Right Larry. Sure glad to hear that you're in the air again. Bird
looks great. Guy standing next to it looks ok too.
AzDave
Do Not ARchive
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Dart flys again
Hi,
I am happy to report that Dart (Firestar II) after an extreme
amount of money has taken to the air again. Almost every thing is new. I
did have a head scratcher with a fuel problem which I will explain
later. My much neglected wife needs my presence.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: fuel troubles |
Congratulations Larry, I hope to see you and the new "Dart at M V next
year and hear some new stories.
Az Bald Eagle
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:59 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: fuel troubles
As I mentioned earlier I finished the Firestar to the point that I
could get her back in the air. As you might remember I had to make an
off field landing in the first part of May and ended up on my back with
my wheels in the air.
The only real damage to the structure was the tube that the rudder
pedals set on. The fabric was trashed in transporting it to a trailer
across hill and dale. I found when I recovered it that auto paint and
stitts fabric apparently do not mix well. At least that was the AD that
came with my covering kit. The paint of course was auto paint. I had
wanted to recover it this winter any way. Just not at the beginning of
summer.
I decided that if I was going to have to traverse this hostile terrain
then I would need bigger tires, less air. I got some rims from Thom, put
800x6 on them. Got some new landing gear from Terry Davis. Next was a
new pod from TNK, EIS with a remote which I mounted on the stick grip
(new)( Thanks John Williamson for the idea). I made a gascolater (Jim
Heffner) ordered new tubing, pulse line, ELT, ( so the wife can find me)
Strobes, new Warp Drive prop, new fuel sending tubes, (still don't work,
wrong solution to the problem obviously).
I spent about a month and half working on getting the new place
squared away, and getting ready for the winter to come. Then finally on
Aug 18 Roger Hankins came over to help me get started. We worked 16
hours a day for 8 or 9 days getting the covering on. After that of
course came the paint process. Unfortunately due to desert conditions
the paint is not as perfect as the covering job, but it will do nicely.
So today I finally got every thing ready to test fly. I set my new
prop to 9 degrees (6200 on ground) and as I was getting ready to taxi,
noticed that there was something wrong with the fuel delivery. It seemed
to level out. I tried extended runs with the plane chained to the
tractor, but the prop was picking up rocks from the ground and I had to
quit. Karen went half way down the runway to watch, and I gave it full
throttle and took off. I got up a couple hundred feet and the rpm's cut
back. I whipped around and put it on the ground and taxied back to the
hanger. To make a long story shorter, I first changed the main jet. (
needed to do that since I had remover the silencer) flew and had the
same problem. Cut out the gascolater, same. changed the pulse pump-same,
cut out the lines going to the gas selector - same, cut out the squeeze
bulb- bingo! That was a brand new bulb purchased from Aircraft Spruce to
replace the old one. It appeared to work ok, but apparently there was a
problem with the check valve in it. I could run at reduced rpm's just
not enough to climb. Lucky for me that it would at least keep on running
enough to get me around to the runway to land or I would have had
another sage brush landing again. Don't need that at all.
I am going to be tied up for tomorrow, but Sat will be when I can get
to her again and do some of the finish odds and ends left to do. I am
going to have to reset my prop a little less pitch, and then I will be
able to evaluate what the new warp will do. Daryl claimed that it would
increase my speed by about 10 MPH. I got the one with the nickel leading
edge and the mod to the tip. That particular mod cost me an extra 110
bucks
Its good to be back in the sky again!
Larry, Oregon
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9/29/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Landing light wagger |
Hi Ellery,
Sorry, I thought you were talking about moving landing light until someone
e-mailed off list telling me you were asking about may alternating flashing
landing lights.
I did a quick search of the archive and found my post.
From:
WillUribe(at)aol.com Date: Apr 16, 2006 Subject: _FireStar II sunset
flight_
(http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=55632964?KEYS=landing_lights?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=3?SERIAL=19101723501?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
)
<snip>
For the landing lights I used a 3 way heavy duty toggle switch. Up is on,
middle is off and down is connected to an alternating flasher that I got
from
a store that sells lights to emergency vehicles. The flasher part number is
Federal FA3 and costs about $22.50.
In a message dated 9/28/2006 8:23:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
ElleryWeld@aol.com writes:
Does anyone remember who it was that was telling us about the Landing light
wagger I am looking for info on where to buy one and if I remebered corectly
He had a part number for it
any info on this would be appreciated
Ellery In Original Firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Dart flys again |
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave & Eve Pelletier
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dart flys again
All Right Larry. Sure glad to hear that you're in the air again.
Bird looks great. Guy standing next to it looks ok too.
Thanks guys, I still have a few bugs to work out, getting it retrimmed
etc, but it sure is nice to have it up and running again. The only
problem is that now I don't have an excuse to not clean the hanger. That
may take as long as the repair.
Larry, Oregon
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