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1. 04:54 AM - Re: trim - Engine Washers (Jack B. Hart)
2. 05:20 AM - Re: trim (Thom Riddle)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: trim - Engine Washers (robert bean)
4. 05:35 AM - Re: Primer bulb bypass (planecrazzzy)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: trim - Engine Washers (John Hauck)
6. 03:06 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (planecrazzzy)
7. 03:07 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (planecrazzzy)
8. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilot (robert bean)
9. 05:41 PM - Re: trim - Engine Washers (Mike Schnabel)
10. 06:01 PM - Kolbra at the Airshow (John Williamson)
11. 06:03 PM - Re: trim (Larry Bourne)
12. 06:08 PM - Trim Tabs (John Hauck)
13. 07:34 PM - Re: Trim Tabs (Larry Cottrell)
14. 07:58 PM - Re: Trim Tabs (Larry Bourne)
15. 08:53 PM - Re: Trim Tabs (john s. flannery)
16. 08:55 PM - john Williamson and Alliance airshow (Arksey@aol.com)
17. 09:15 PM - Vamoose' Ex-Reduction Drive (Larry Bourne)
18. 10:31 PM - Re: Vamoose' Ex-Reduction Drive (Jim Baker)
19. 11:30 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
20. 11:33 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: trim - Engine Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
.............................
My question is the amount and number of washers under the motor. (plans are
a bit vague) Perhaps the angle of the motor is forcing it down.
.............................
Larry,
Number of washers can be determined by used of the slip indicator in level
flight.
Check out:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly56.html
This will remove P-factor slip at cruise speed.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Larry,
When I changed my small tires for the big 800x6 tires like you have,
the top cruise speed of my Titan dropped about 3-4 mph and is why I
removed and sold them. I didn't need them on a paved runway anyway,
just an experiment. On a Firestar, the speed cost is probably a bit
less but still measurable so it sounds like your new prop is a winner.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: trim - Engine Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Jack, excellent page. Trimming my MkIII will be on the agenda next
year.
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On 1, Oct 2006, at 9:01 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart"
> <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
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> From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
>
> .............................
>
> My question is the amount and number of washers under the motor.
> (plans are
> a bit vague) Perhaps the angle of the motor is forcing it down.
>
> .............................
>
> Larry,
>
> Number of washers can be determined by used of the slip indicator in
> level
> flight.
>
> Check out:
>
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly56.html
>
> This will remove P-factor slip at cruise speed.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Primer bulb bypass |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Ditto...
Gotta Fly...
Mike & Jaz in MN
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| Subject: | Re: trim - Engine Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
(plans are
| a bit vague) Perhaps the angle of the motor is forcing it down.
|
| .............................
|
| Larry
Larry:
Yes, a high mounted pusher will definitely push the nose down. Look
at it as a long lever with the thrust on the end of it. My mkIII
needs a lot of nose up trim at cruise, although I have lowered the
leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer somewhat. However, when I
pull the power off or shut the engine down, the aircraft is trimmed up
perfect in pitch and yaw without the aid of forced trim or trim tabs.
Also have to remember how and where the prop wash hits the tail
section. From my experimentation, the prop wash is what we are
working against, not angle of thrust. I did the angle of thrust
experiements many years ago on my FS, primarily to eliminate the
requirement for trim tabs. When it was all over, I put a trim tab on
the rudder, elevator, and aileron. My FS was trimmed out perfectly
and the the trim tabs were not noticeable. In fact, the aircraft won
several nice awards including the small trim tabs.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi Dave,
The place to find out your "V" speeds , is your own plane...
The only V-speed that does your plane any good is the Vne
All the other speeds have to be found with your own plane , you can get a "Ballpark"
idea from other peoples V-speeds , but your planes weight is different
from theirs....
The "formula" for finding "all" of your " V-speeds " ( eccept Vne ) is found
in the
Amateur-built aircraft and ultralight Flight testing handbook -
AC NO: 90-89A
If you look at Chapter 5 " Expanding The Envelope "
it explains how to find "YOUR" V-speeds....
Just like finding your STALL speed , you got a Ballpark idea from other planes
, but you needed to find out where YOUR plane stalled....
Some of these other numbers work off of your stall speed....
( something like 1.3 times the stall speed to get Vx ??? )
Hope this helps...
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi Dave,
The place to find out your "V" speeds , is your own plane...
The only V-speed that does your plane any good is the Vne
All the other speeds have to be found with your own plane , you can get a "Ballpark"
idea from other peoples V-speeds , but your planes weight is different
from theirs....
The "formula" for finding "all" of your " V-speeds " ( eccept Vne ) is found
in the
Amateur-built aircraft and ultralight Flight testing handbook -
AC NO: 90-89A
If you look at Chapter 5 " Expanding The Envelope "
it explains how to find "YOUR" V-speeds....
Just like finding your STALL speed , you got a Ballpark idea from other planes
, but you needed to find out where YOUR plane stalled....
Some of these other numbers work off of your stall speed....
( something like 1.3 times the stall speed to get Vx ??? )
Hope this helps...
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
To abide by the procedures in your "test period" (will it never end?)
you have to stick them thar V numbers in your log book. Well and good,
mine are hereby entered. Much more important is getting comfortable
with how your plane behaves. After awhile you get a good feel for it
and
all that V stuff becomes irrelevant. Like one of those trick dirt
bikers,
they either have it or they don't. ouch.
Straight ahead stalls are a waste of time, that's not where folks lose
'em.
If you want to duplicate real life, get too slow in a rubber necker
turn.
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On 1, Oct 2006, at 6:07 PM, planecrazzzy wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy"
> <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Dave,
> The place to find out your "V" speeds , is your own
> plane...
>
> The only V-speed that does your plane any good is the Vne
>
> All the other speeds have to be found with your own plane , you can
> get a "Ballpark" idea from other peoples V-speeds , but your planes
> weight is different from theirs....
>
> The "formula" for finding "all" of your " V-speeds " ( eccept Vne )
> is found in the
>
> Amateur-built aircraft and ultralight Flight testing handbook -
>
> AC NO: 90-89A
>
> If you look at Chapter 5 " Expanding The Envelope "
>
> it explains how to find "YOUR" V-speeds....
>
> Just like finding your STALL speed , you got a Ballpark idea from
> other planes , but you needed to find out where YOUR plane stalled....
>
> Some of these other numbers work off of your stall speed....
>
> ( something like 1.3 times the stall speed to get Vx ??? )
>
> Hope this helps...
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: trim - Engine Washers |
John, curious to know. During your experimentation with the Firestar and trim tabs,
were there any significant changes with location? As in, inboard or outboard
in the elevator, high or low on the rudder? And did you try one on the aileron
as well?
Mike S
Manchester TN
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Larry:
Yes, a high mounted pusher will definitely push the nose down. Look
at it as a long lever with the thrust on the end of it. My mkIII
needs a lot of nose up trim at cruise, although I have lowered the
leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer somewhat. However, when I
pull the power off or shut the engine down, the aircraft is trimmed up
perfect in pitch and yaw without the aid of forced trim or trim tabs.
Also have to remember how and where the prop wash hits the tail
section. From my experimentation, the prop wash is what we are
working against, not angle of thrust. I did the angle of thrust
experiements many years ago on my FS, primarily to eliminate the
requirement for trim tabs. When it was all over, I put a trim tab on
the rudder, elevator, and aileron. My FS was trimmed out perfectly
and the the trim tabs were not noticeable. In fact, the aircraft won
several nice awards including the small trim tabs.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Kolbra at the Airshow |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1@comcast.net>
Hi All,
Here are some photos taken the the Alliance Airshow, Fort Worth, TX this Saturday
and Sunday. We had over 200,000 people come out and look at the airplanes and
Airshow.
To keep this Kolb related, look at the first photo.
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Nicely Said ! ! ! :-) Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
>
> flew until 1215 today and then used the rest of the day installing my
> Kunzelman strobes. Every thing was fine until I tried to make the plug
> connection that goes into the box. Man there has to be a better way. I
> just was not comfortable with the way that the plugs were put together, so
> I ended up soldering them. I like the strobes, the service and the man,
> but his ears had to be burning today! They need to connect the plug ends
> at the factory and leave one end open so that you can cut them to the size
> that you want.
>
> Larry, Or
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| John, curious to know. During your experimentation with the Firestar
and trim tabs, were there any significant changes with location? As
in, inboard or outboard in the elevator, high or low on the rudder?
And did you try one on the aileron as well?
| Mike S
| Manchester TN
Hi Mike S:
I changed the subject to reflect what we are talking about.
I feel info of this type needs to be included in the archive. If we
have the correct subject, it will be less difficult for the user to
find the info he is looking for.
Did not have to experiment with the trim tabs reference their
location. I felt the location should be where they had the most
mechanical advantage, which was where the cord was longest. That
worked well for the rudder and elevator. For the aileron I placed
the tab about center. I like to fly the aileron up with the tab,
which brings that wing down. I used .016" 6061 sheet. Attached them
with fabric rivets. Worked well and made it easy to remove if
necessary.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
Well I found my trim tab today, can't find my knife now! Anyway, I installed
it, trimmed the ailerons up enough to take care of any deflection. For
anyone that is interested I mounted the tab right next to the attach point
on the elevator. With the tab on I had it climbing all the time. Had to hold
down elevator. Nice change. I took the time to go see some of the country
from the air. Chuckar season starts this weekend, so I wanted to know what
water holes were wet. Nice part about the desert is that if you find water
you find game. Spent the rest of the windy part of the day installing the
ELT. Now Karen can find me if I don't come home!
After feeding the birds this evening, I still had enough time to get in the
air and do some checking on the prop. It does appear that the prop (warp
Drive) does what it is advertised to do. I saw 6500 on takeoff and climb out
so the prop is running about optimum I cut it back to 6000 which was where I
normally cruise. There was no apparent wind as I flew a triangle and could
find no real difference in airspeed. ( 2 or 3 MPH at most) ASI appeared to
be right on with the GPS and I was seeing 66 MPH GPS. That is about 4 MPH
faster than what I used to see before the rebuild- bigger tires. There is
one other difference in that I left the silencer off this time. That should
not affect the speed as it only affects horsepower. The VG's are back on the
wings and with the exception of the tires every thing is the same. I guess
the bottom line is that if I were to buy another prop, I would spend the
extra money for the mod.
Now with the trim problem taken care of, I finally have my fun airplane
back. It has been an ordeal, and cost a bunch of money, but it is also worth
it!
Larry, Oregon
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Good job well done, Larry. You really went thru the wars.
Lar. Do not Archive.
P.S. Vamoose' redrive broke again on start up. Really broke this time, so
that's an end to it. It's going in the trash. I'm looking at alternatives,
but any action will hafta wait a few months till I can afford it.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trim Tabs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
>
> Well I found my trim tab today, can't find my knife now! Anyway, I
> installed it, trimmed the ailerons up enough to take care of any
> deflection. For anyone that is interested I mounted the tab right next to
> the attach point on the elevator. With the tab on I had it climbing all
> the time. Had to hold
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Larry,
Ah, Alectoris chukar, the finest table bird ever imported into the USA. Good
old biologist Gardiner Bump and his good efforts before we went to war with
that area of the world. We must chat sometime about those feathered wonders.
Here with the improving, but no healed Mark III, I have, needless to say,
kept roads, trails and the infrequent waterholes in sight and or gliding
range. Here's one little waterhole I found not far from T or C Airport.
Might be used by mulies, livestock, roadrunners, whitewing doves, two or
even three species of quail, coyotes, even fox, but if Nuevo Mexico has
chukars, I haven't heard about it. This pond won't last long with the
temperature today starting at 48 and soaring to 87 by afternoon.
jsf
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trim Tabs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
>
> Well I found my trim tab today, can't find my knife now! Anyway, I
> installed it, trimmed the ailerons up enough to take care of any
> deflection. For anyone that is interested I mounted the tab right next to
> the attach point on the elevator. With the tab on I had it climbing all
> the time. Had to hold down elevator. Nice change. I took the time to go
> see some of the country from the air. Chuckar season starts this weekend,
> so I wanted to know what water holes were wet. Nice part about the desert
> is that if you find water you find game. Spent the rest of the windy part
> of the day installing the ELT. Now Karen can find me if I don't come home!
>
> After feeding the birds this evening, I still had enough time to get in
> the air and do some checking on the prop. It does appear that the prop
> (warp Drive) does what it is advertised to do. I saw 6500 on takeoff and
> climb out so the prop is running about optimum I cut it back to 6000 which
> was where I normally cruise. There was no apparent wind as I flew a
> triangle and could find no real difference in airspeed. ( 2 or 3 MPH at
> most) ASI appeared to be right on with the GPS and I was seeing 66 MPH
> GPS. That is about 4 MPH faster than what I used to see before the
> rebuild- bigger tires. There is one other difference in that I left the
> silencer off this time. That should not affect the speed as it only
> affects horsepower. The VG's are back on the wings and with the exception
> of the tires every thing is the same. I guess the bottom line is that if I
> were to buy another prop, I would spend the extra money for the mod.
>
> Now with the trim problem taken care of, I finally have my fun airplane
> back. It has been an ordeal, and cost a bunch of money, but it is also
> worth it!
>
> Larry, Oregon
>
>
>
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| Subject: | john Williamson and Alliance airshow |
Thanks John for the pictures...Your Kolb is parked with the big
boys.....Looks like the same Titian that flew along the shoreline of Lake Superior
here
in Michigan a couple of years ago, great picture of the fighters and also of
the flag...
Jim swan firestar ll mich.
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| Subject: | Vamoose' Ex-Reduction Drive |
I mentioned a problem with Vamoose' redrive a bit ago, and have been
asked for more info, so I guess I should share it with all. I'm not
really crazy about this, but.........
I started the engine without the prop on a few weeks ago, and it ran
great. NO OIL LEAKS ! ! ! I thought I was home free, and was
daydreaming about actually flying the thing, and wanted to get it in the
air by Nov. 15 - the 10th anniversary of receiving the kit from TOK. I
was really going for it - working on it every day after work.
So, I bolted the prop back on, safety wired it, and lit 'er up. The
engine started to fire, then backfired or kicked back - or both - and
there was a loud bang and a jolt and the engine stopped. Hitting the
starter didn't even wiggle the prop, so I shut everything off and tried
hand propping it. Wouldn't move, so I tore that s.o.b. redrive off -
again - and tore it apart - again. Here's a picture of what I found.
That chain literally exploded. I think that's more than a great plenty.
I've stubbornly worked thru several issues with that thing, and that's
enuf. I don't want to fly in front of it, so it goes in the trash.
>From here ?? I dunno yet. I'm researching a couple of other redrives,
but it's too early to say yet. I'll keep ya posted.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Vamoose' Ex-Reduction Drive |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
> Here's a picture of what I found. That chain
> literally exploded.
Holy crap! Just for info...is either drive hub/gear cushioned on
the shaft or just bolted up solid?
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
kolb-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kolb-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kolb-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Kolb-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kolb-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kolb-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kolb-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kolb-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kolb-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kolb-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Kolb-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kolb
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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