Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:29 AM - Re: Kolb List (Chris Mallory)
2. 06:51 AM - SP (robert bean)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Kolb List (David Lehman)
4. 07:20 AM - Rudder trim (EnaudZ@aol.com)
5. 07:48 AM - Re: Videos (possums)
6. 08:27 AM - Re: Videos (Larry Cottrell)
7. 08:30 AM - Re: Videos (Bob Dalton)
8. 09:12 AM - Re: Videos (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
9. 09:57 AM - Re: Videos (possums)
10. 11:58 AM - ramblings (Larry Cottrell)
11. 01:27 PM - Kolb List Protocol, Or Lack Thereof ;-) (John Hauck)
12. 01:52 PM - MKIII Trim Tabs (subject changed) (John Hauck)
13. 02:00 PM - Sport Pilot (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
14. 02:28 PM - Re: Kolb List Protocol, Or Lack Thereof ;-) (R. Hankins)
15. 02:35 PM - Re: Kolb List Protocol, Or Lack Thereof ;-) (planecrazzzy)
16. 02:44 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (Kolbdriver)
17. 02:46 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (R. Hankins)
18. 02:46 PM - Re: Kolb List Protocol, Or Lack Thereof ;-) (John Hauck)
19. 02:48 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (planecrazzzy)
20. 04:18 PM - VG's for doubters (jimhefner)
21. 04:24 PM - Re: MKIII Trim Tabs (subject changed) (john s. flannery)
22. 04:49 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (George Bass)
23. 06:02 PM - Re: Kolb List Protocol, Or Lack Thereof ;-) And Rowe hanger update (Denny Rowe)
24. 06:08 PM - Re: VG's for doubters ;-) (Denny Rowe)
25. 06:12 PM - Re: Test flying a Firefly (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
26. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Test flying a Firefly (David Lehman)
27. 06:32 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (Larry Bourne)
28. 06:52 PM - Re: Kolb-List Usage (Larry Bourne)
29. 07:00 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
30. 07:11 PM - Re: VG's for doubters ;-) (Kolbdriver)
31. 07:31 PM - Re: VG's for doubters (Eugene Zimmerman)
32. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Usage (Eugene Zimmerman)
33. 07:44 PM - New Sport Pilot ()
34. 08:14 PM - Re: Videos (Larry Bourne)
35. 09:08 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Usage (Richard Pike)
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Great, verbal photograph Ellery.
"You don't need no stinking camera"
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:47 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List
It was a Great Fall Day Flying in Maine I left this morning to Go to a
Fly-in in the southern part of the state I ended up puting on 179 miles and
burnt 10.4 Gallons and 6 take Offs and Landings one fuel stop the air was
refreshing the view was spectacular ( always From a KOLB) the leaves are at
about 75% colors here now and dont you know all I had for a camera was the
Cell phone and that is not really anything to talk about as far as a Quality
pitcure.
on the way home in the evening it was real nice to have the full inclosier
installed and the Cabin heat on the air was as smooth as silk hands off
flying so I kicked back and had a cold drink of water and a cigar on the way
back and enjoying the wide screen movie ahead of me and I had the best seat
in the house.
When I got back in my neiborhood I was there just in time to fly around
and check all the fields for big Bucks thinking I probably should have been
home sooner so I could have Gone Bow hunting for the evening but then again
I didnt get skunked flying anyway. Tomorrow I am going to go Try out a
FireFly for an older Guy I met a while ago He doesnt want to try it untill
I take it up and tell him what the numbers are and make sure it's all
trimmed up for him, actully I am looking forward to it I bet it's going to
be fun
Ellery In Maine, in A Custom Firestar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Local Firestar II owner Bob Erb passed his SP check ride yesterday.
And a perfect day for it too. He took all his instruction in a Champ
and enjoyed flying the "big" plane. I was talking to his instructor at
a clambake yesterday afternoon (not the examiner) who told me
about their first cross country, with a bit of humor. Bob was all set
to go, or so he thought until the instructor looked at the GPS and said,
"you're leaving that thing here!"
Now he can navigate AND fly.
Congratulations Bob.
BB do not archive
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Ditto... Nice visual...
Look that Firefly over real good before you get in it Ellery, don't want yo
u
to get hurt...
DVD
do not archive
On 10/8/06, Chris Mallory <wcm@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Great, verbal photograph Ellery.
>
> "You don't need no stinking camera"
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* ElleryWeld@aol.com
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:47 PM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Kolb List
>
>
> *It was a Great Fall Day Flying in Maine I left this morning to Go to a
> Fly-in in the southern part of the state I ended up puting on 179 miles a
nd
> burnt 10.4 Gallons and 6 take Offs and Landings one fuel stop the air was
> refreshing the view was spectacular ( always From a KOLB) the leaves are
at
> about 75% colors here now and dont you know all I had for a camera was th
e
> Cell phone and that is not really anything to talk about as far as a Qual
ity
> pitcure.
> on the way home in the evening it was real nice to have the full inclosie
r
> installed and the Cabin heat on the air was as smooth as silk hands off
> flying so I kicked back and had a cold drink of water and a cigar on the
way
> back and enjoying the wide screen movie ahead of me and I had the best se
at
> in the house.
> When I got back in my neiborhood I was there just in time to fly around
> and check all the fields for big Bucks thinking I probably should have b
een
> home sooner so I could have Gone Bow hunting for the evening but then ag
ain
> I didnt get skunked flying anyway. Tomorrow I am going to go Try out a
> FireFly for an older Guy I met a while ago He doesnt want to try it unti
ll
> I take it up and tell him what the numbers are and make sure it's all
> trimmed up for him, actully I am looking forward to it I bet it's going
to
> be fun
>
> Ellery In Maine, in A Custom Firestar
> do not archive*
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> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
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> href="http://wiki.matronics.com">http://wiki.matronics.com
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"Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"...
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Hi
I flew for 10 yrs. with only a yaw string, recently installed skid/ slip,
they do not
correspond.
FWIW Duane FS2
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At 12:14 AM 10/5/2006, you wrote:
>Well, c'mon, go fer it. Whatcha waitin' for ?? Do
>not Archive.
>
Here some you can watch & make varooom ...varoooom noises
to Larry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bDLH85njs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqenFwxe2I
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You sure fly high for a submarine! I love the weather vane on the front.
:-) I am intending to make a trip over to the Owhyee Canyon this day if
the weather holds and I can find a place to store my shotgun. Chuckar
and Quail season opened yesterday. I may even try to take some pictures.
Larry, Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: possums
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Videos
At 12:14 AM 10/5/2006, you wrote:
Well, c'mon, go fer it. Whatcha waitin' for ?? Do
not Archive.
Here some you can watch & make varooom ...varoooom noises
to Larry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bDLH85njs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqenFwxe2I
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Possums,
That's some beautiful flying scenery and Kolb flying, thanks for sharing.
Bob D.
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of possums
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Videos
At 12:14 AM 10/5/2006, you wrote:
Well, c'mon, go fer it. Whatcha waitin' for ?? Do not
Archive.
Here some you can watch & make varooom ...varoooom noises
to Larry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bDLH85njs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqenFwxe2I
<http://img.msgtag.com/ama/wk/CEhEafEnuFx/cCuae/aFjFbAsznua.gif>
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Possum
I've had my leg sufficiently pulled but it was well done!!!. In your
second video the shadow of the wing looks a bit more like the wing of a
Kolb than that of the photo of what, your Kolb photo grafted to a air
car. Is that its name has it ever flown?
Do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: possums
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Videos
At 12:14 AM 10/5/2006, you wrote:
Well, c'mon, go fer it. Whatcha waitin' for ?? Do
not Archive.
Here some you can watch & make varooom ...varoooom noises
to Larry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bDLH85njs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqenFwxe2I
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At 12:12 PM 10/8/2006, you wrote:
>Possum
>
>I've had my leg sufficiently pulled but it was well done!!!. In your
>second video the shadow of the wing looks a bit more like the wing
>of a Kolb than that of the photo of what, your Kolb photo grafted to
>a air car. Is that its name has it ever flown?
>
>Do not archive
>
>Rick Neilsen
Yep - it's one of a kind - (picture that is) - shadows are hard to
compensate for.
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Hi,
Since it is the weekend and everyone is either out flying or watching
football, I will attempt to waste some bandwidth.
This is the weekend that the Top Fun Flyers from Caldwell go to the
Alvord Desert. the weather yesterday was a bit drafty, but I flew Dart
there xcountry to visit and do some longer range testing. I wanted to
see how much fuel I was burning and what the performance of the Warp
Drive Prop was going to be. I fought a headwind both directions with a
flight time of one hour and 42 minutes. Average speed was about 50 MPH
top speed was 77 MPH. I burned 5 gallons of gas during the trip.
Today the wind is much kinder, being about 3 MPH. I took the camera
to take some videos, and the shotgun to take some Chuckars. I flew to
the Owyhee canyon and started down stream from there. It is High Desert
with the ground level being about 4000 ft. We had a lightening fire this
summer that burned 69000 acres of the stuff. I turned my camera on and
found that the batteries were dead. ( so much for the preflight) I then
turned my attention to the canyon to check the water level. Pretty low
and bumpy. I got to a spot that I wanted to hunt which was called "Bogus
Basin" and turned around the lava bluffs looking for a landing spot.
Found it and a line of hunters moving across the botton. Aborted that
landing and continued my exploration. In checking my fuel levels I found
that I had burned about half of my fuel so I reluctantly turned back
towards the house. I remembered that I carry spare batteries in my seat
so I found a spot on a " two track" dirt road that didn't look too bad
and touched her down. Got out and had a conversation with the "Gov",
replaced the batteries and took off again. Fired up the camera and found
that these were even deader than the other ones. Sorry, no pictures
today. The flight was very comfortable, covering 74 miles and burning 6
gallons of gas.
Conclusion about the Warp Drive. It is a very good prop, no doubt. I
am sure it is as tough as advertised. It may well add a bit to my speed,
However my cruise is going to be in the 60 MPH range. Factors that
affect that are the 800x6 tires, VG's. The prop is much noisier than the
IVO, probably because it is much closer to the aileron rods. I find that
I now have to wear ear plugs along with the DRE 6000 to keep from having
a roaring in my ears when I get on the ground.
Larry, Oregon
do not archive
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| Subject: | Kolb List Protocol, Or Lack Thereof ;-) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory"
<wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
|
| IT'S "FLIGHT" RELATED FOR GOSH SAKE!!!!
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| IT'S ALSO VERY FUNNY.
|
| LIGHTEN UP.
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| THIS SITE IS FOR "PILOTS"
Hi Chris M/Gang:
Notice, this post is addressed to Chris and everyone else on the Kolb
List.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. This is the Kolb
builders/flyers list. It is Kolb specific now, and was prior to my
membership 8+ years ago. Matte Dralle's guidelines, which he posts to
the List monthly, are located here. Take a minute and "really" read
and try to understand them before you make your next post:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2240
They are clear, concise, and are the "commandments" that Kolb List
members have used to keep this List one of the best on the internet.
We don't have List Monitors, Hall Monitors, are whatever else you want
to call them. We are "self policing". To me, that means I take time
to read Matte's guidance and try to live by his desires. If folks
keep disregarding Matte's guidance, then.......it is up to someone to
step up and remind that person of the correct procedure for being a
member of this List.
If someone does not want to comply with Matte Dralle's guidance for
the Kolb List, then he probably does not belong here.
I try to share what little bit I have learned building and flying
Kolbs with the List. However, it is a waste of time wading through a
lot of extraneous crap in order to get to something that is "really"
Kolb related.
The Kolb List has slipped somewhat in the recent past, probably
because folks aren't reading and abiding by the guidelines.
Of specific importance is to insure the subject reflects what we are
discussing, which helps us search the archives for info.
It is also important to cut previous posts, keeping a few lines of it
to insure continuity in the discussion. Takes a moment to cut a msg,
rather than regurgitate what has been previously posted.
Folks, I am as guilty as anyone else of breaking these commandments.
At times, I forget to change the subject line, send replies before I
type something, and all the other "uh ohs" that are made on this List.
Let's all try to make this List work the way it was intended, and the
way it has operated in the past.
I do not believe anyone is nit picking because they expect the List to
operate as prescribed. Jumping on John W, or anyone else, who
supports Matte's guidelines, is a waste of time and just might be
categorized as nit picking.
Thanks,
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | MKIII Trim Tabs (subject changed) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
removed or
| not? Taxied and hot taxied and seemed like I had some rudder effect
on the
| ground without the 12x7" hunk of bent aluminum on the tail...?
What's the
| worst scenario?
|
| jsf
John F:
My old mkIII flies about as well out of trim as it does in trim.
Can't really detect much difference.
Most folks automatically assume the aircraft is not rigged corrected
when they fly a mkIII without the proper rudder trim. However, I have
found through the years, adverse yaw is primarily caused by the nature
of Kolb aircraft design, especially mkIII's with high horse power
engines, 65, 80 and 100. I think it has to do with the way the prop
wash hits the tail section, primarily. Sometimes engineers,
scientists, and great thinkers, have a difficult time realizing this
simple problem and the simple solution to correct it. I am sure they
can find their answer with a calculator or a computer. I did not do
it that way. I experimented with changing thrust line, changing
leading edge position of the upper vertical stabilizer, and good old
fashioned sheet metal trim tabs. Only the trim tab worked, and it
took some time and energy to get the correct size and angle. Now my
mkIII with 912ULS flies in trim without aid of a heavy foot on the
rudder pedals.
If you are interested in the size and angle I use on my mkIII, next
time I am at the airstrip I will get that info for you. If you are
interested enough, you can do a search in the archives, because I have
posted this info, more than once, in the past. That is what makes the
archives so important, and that is why it is important to use the
correct subject line and keep your msgs informational.
john h
mkIII
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Guys,
YAHOO!!! I took my practical test for YIPPEE!!! Sport Pilot and
YEEEHAW!!! I passed. HOORAY!!! I spent
about three hours with the Examiner, about one in the air, and I got the
big CONGRATULATIONS from him. So it's over and done and you couldn't
wipe the smile off my face with a ten-pound sledge. Oh, to keep this
Kolb related, I took the test in my Kolb MKIII. A Big THANK YEW to
everyone who gave me advice and support.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
(Really, as far as I'm concerned, this shoud not only be archived but
carved in stone.)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List Protocol, Or Lack Thereof ;-) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
I agree Mr. Hauck. This list is such a part of many of our lives that we post
anything and everything because we want to share it with our friends on the list.
That is only natural. When John W. reminded the list that we are getting
a bit off topic, it was the right thing to do. I enjoyed the sound clip when
I first got it from a friend over a year ago. I'm sure I'm not the only one
who has been sent this same clip multiple times. Consequently, my reaction was
the same as John W's.
What I found surprising was how personal the responses were to a simple admonition
to keep things Kolb related. John W. is many things, but "self righteous"
and SOB are not among them.
Is it the weather? We usually don't see this kind of banter 'til February when
everyone gets cabin fever and feeling pissy.
Do not archive
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List Protocol, Or Lack Thereof ;-) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Guys,
Well you know it is a BIG Full Moon......
Hey John , Cool picture of the Firestar in your AVATAR...
How's the roll rate compare to the "Marks" ???
.
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
R. Hankins wrote:
> I agree Mr. Hauck.
>
> Is it the weather? We usually don't see this kind of banter 'til February when
everyone gets cabin fever and feeling pissy.
>
> Do not archive
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Do Not Archive
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Hootie Hoo!!! DAVE Congratulations on passing your practical in your KOLB
Mark III.
Do not archive
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave & Eve
Pelletier
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
Guys,
YAHOO!!! I took my practical test for YIPPEE!!! Sport Pilot and
YEEEHAW!!! I passed. HOORAY!!! I spent
about three hours with the Examiner, about one in the air, and I got the big
CONGRATULATIONS from him. So it's over and done and you couldn't wipe the
smile off my face with a ten-pound sledge. Oh, to keep this Kolb related, I
took the test in my Kolb MKIII. A Big THANK YEW to everyone who gave me
advice and support.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
(Really, as far as I'm concerned, this shoud not only be archived but carved
in stone.)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
Congratulations Dave! Way to go.
Do Not Archive
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List Protocol, Or Lack Thereof ;-) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Mike:
Nothing flies like my old mkIII. ;-)
The little photo was taken by John W at this year's Kolb Homecoming.
This is the factory FSII that Dick Rayhill flies at Lakeland and Oshkosh. Since
my mkIII was "powerless", I was also airplaneless at London.
The FSII flies like all the Kolbs, GREAT! Roll rate is more than adquate. I
had a good time flying and demonstrating it. The winds were cooking out of the
south, about 90 degrees to the Labhart Field airstrip. All the Kolbs that flew
during the Homecoming demonstrated the excellent flying and handling qualities
of our little airplanes. John W, Steven G, James T, and I flew as often
as we could during the weekend, whenever the rain would let us.
Was a lot of fun flying a Kolb that weighed much less than Miss P'fer. Need to
talk to her about that weight. ;-)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey ,
Good Job Dave ! Your lucky , I've heard of a few people that couldn't
take the test in their own plane.... Single seater "and" two seater,
instead they had to use a Piper or Aeronca....depends on the examiner willing
to jump into the plane....in the case of the single seat , just not knowing the
"new" Sport pilot certification rules....
Yeee Haw ,
.
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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Dave Pelletier wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Oh, to keep this Kolb related, I took the test in my Kolb MKIII. A Big THANK
YEW to everyone who gave me advice and support.
>
> AzDave
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | VG's for doubters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
Sorry, I couldn't resist sharing this info after it was brought to my attention
by a friend that built a 701. Zenith 701 is an incredible STOL aircraft and
is well known for it's leading edge slats. Checkout below where flight testing
has been done with slats compared to slats removed and VG's added. The slats
do help create additional lift at high angles of attack, but also add a lot
of drag in normal flight configurations. Read the numbers for yourself and if
you don't think they will help your Kolb, you are missing out on a good thing.
Try VG's, you'll be amazed that such a simple little thing can make such a
big improvement in your aircraft performance and it doesn't have downsides. They
did also add them to the underside of the horizontal stab's on the 701, similar
to what many of us have done on Kolbs. You don't have to spend a lot of
money if you don't want.... Jack Hart and others have provided all the info
you need to make your own for a few bucks like I did.
http://www.stolspeed.com/content.php
Nothing tried, nothing gained.
--------
Jim Hefner
Kolbless in Tucson :(
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66592#66592
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Trim Tabs (subject changed) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "john s. flannery" <jsflan@valornet.com>
Appreciate the guidance from so many. Would have tried the MIII today
without the trim tab but winds all day and from looks of shredded clouds to
north where airport is, probably pretty rough upstairs. Will report if and
when. Thanks,
jsf
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: MKIII Trim Tabs (subject changed)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> removed or
> on the
> What's the
>
>
> John F:
>
> My old mkIII flies about as well out of trim as it does in trim.
> Can't really detect much difference.
>
> Most folks automatically assume the aircraft is not rigged corrected
> when they fly a mkIII without the proper rudder trim. However, I have
> found through the years, adverse yaw is primarily caused by the nature
> of Kolb aircraft design, especially mkIII's with high horse power
> engines, 65, 80 and 100. I think it has to do with the way the prop
> wash hits the tail section, primarily. Sometimes engineers,
> scientists, and great thinkers, have a difficult time realizing this
> simple problem and the simple solution to correct it. I am sure they
> can find their answer with a calculator or a computer. I did not do
> it that way. I experimented with changing thrust line, changing
> leading edge position of the upper vertical stabilizer, and good old
> fashioned sheet metal trim tabs. Only the trim tab worked, and it
> took some time and energy to get the correct size and angle. Now my
> mkIII with 912ULS flies in trim without aid of a heavy foot on the
> rudder pedals.
>
> If you are interested in the size and angle I use on my mkIII, next
> time I am at the airstrip I will get that info for you. If you are
> interested enough, you can do a search in the archives, because I have
> posted this info, more than once, in the past. That is what makes the
> archives so important, and that is why it is important to use the
> correct subject line and keep your msgs informational.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
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Dave;
My sincerest congratulations on your accomplishment.
George Bass
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List Protocol, Or Lack Thereof ;-) And Rowe hanger |
update
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Was the original post not a link to a sight with the audio?
As I recall the original post was just a few words long.
If I am correct and it was a link, JUST DON'T CLICK ON IT.
Seem,s like a crap load of hot air has been blown over clicking on a link
that was obviously labeled "Not Kolb related".
I enjoyed it also.
Hugs and Kisses to everyone on both sides of this food fight.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
After a year of not doing a dang thing on my hanger and two non aviating
years, I am finally getting the doors built for my hanger so things should
be up and running aviation wise by spring.
I'll post pics soon of the building before and after the rebuild. What a
project.
Denny Rowe Mk-3, Loehle SP, Western PA
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| Subject: | Re: VG's for doubters ;-) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
WARNING, The link provided below might not be totally Kolb related, please
do not click if you may be offended
----- Original Message ----- do not archive
From: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:17 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: VG's for doubters
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
>
> Sorry, I couldn't resist sharing this info after it was brought to my
> attention by a friend that built a 701. Zenith 701 is an incredible STOL
> aircraft and is well known for it's leading edge slats. Checkout below
> where flight testing has been done with slats compared to slats removed
> and VG's added. The slats do help create additional lift at high angles
> of attack, but also add a lot of drag in normal flight configurations.
> Read the numbers for yourself and if you don't think they will help your
> Kolb, you are missing out on a good thing. Try VG's, you'll be amazed that
> such a simple little thing can make such a big improvement in your
> aircraft performance and it doesn't have downsides. They did also add
> them to the underside of the horizontal stab's on the 701, similar to what
> many of us have done on Kolbs. You don't have to spend a lot of money if
> you don't want.... Jack Hart and others have provided all the info you
> need to make your own for a few bucks like I did.
>
> http://www.stolspeed.com/content.php
>
> Nothing tried, nothing gained.
>
> --------
> Jim Hefner
> Kolbless in Tucson :(
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66592#66592
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Test flying a Firefly |
Well I went down to check out that older Guys Firefly I looked at every nut
, bolt ,cable, wire, fuel line, adjusted a few things tied the tail down Ran
the engine everything looked ok to test fly and I did a few fly bys and landed
made some aileron adjustments Flew it again and again and again its definatly
not a Firestar but it was a joy to fly quite agile I might add also
after I got done flying it his wife stoped in and wanted to see it fly and
told him to fly it now or we are selling it so she can park her car in the
shead this winter instead of his little Firefly he asked me to go warm it up for
him again i did then he really didnt have much of a choice but to try and
please her I could see, so he was giving it his best to keep it under controll
not
really feeling comfortable in it yet.
I warned him that it would scare the bejesus outa him on his first time
flying it because of the climb angle which I am useto but what ever you want
it
to do just give it the command to do so and it will happen
He didnt dare fly it with everyone around so we all headed home for the
evening and I almost got in my yard after a 43 mile flight and a short trip back
from the airport it was Jim the firefly owner the first thing outa his mouth was
it doesnt look the same as when I got done flying it Im thinking oh God he
wrecked it but it turned out that steep climb angle well it did just what I
told him it would do, he made it around the patch and landed it ,sounded like
about 5 times, but the last one he stalled it at around 10 feet and pancaked
it
in and bent the gear legs but everything else was ok including him
the moral of the story is if you can fly it you can keep it
Ellery had a blast in the firefly from Maine
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Test flying a Firefly |
Good story Ellery, thanx...
David
do not archive
On 10/8/06, ElleryWeld@aol.com <ElleryWeld@aol.com> wrote:
>
> *Well I went down to check out that older Guys Firefly I looked at every
> nut , bolt ,cable, wire, fuel line, adjusted a few things tied the tail d
own
> Ran the engine everything looked ok to test fly and I did a few fly bys
and
> landed made some aileron adjustments Flew it again and again and again it
s
> definatly not a Firestar but it was a joy to fly quite agile I might add
> also
> after I got done flying it his wife stoped in and wanted to see it fly an
d
> told him to fly it now or we are selling it so she can park her car in t
he
> shead this winter instead of his little Firefly he asked me to go warm i
t
> up for him again i did then he really didnt have much of a choice but to
try
> and please her I could see, so he was giving it his best to keep it under
> controll not really feeling comfortable in it yet.
> I warned him that it would scare the bejesus outa him on his first time
> flying it because of the climb angle which I am useto but what ever you
> want it to do just give it the command to do so and it will happen
> He didnt dare fly it with everyone around so we all headed home for the
> evening and I almost got in my yard after a 43 mile flight and a short tr
ip
> back from the airport it was Jim the firefly owner the first thing outa h
is
> mouth was it doesnt look the same as when I got done flying it Im thinkin
g
> oh God he wrecked it but it turned out that steep climb angle well it di
d
> just what I told him it would do, he made it around the patch and landed
it
> ,sounded like about 5 times, but the last one he stalled it at around 1
0
> feet and pancaked it in and bent the gear legs but everything else was ok
> including him
>
> the moral of the story is if you can fly it you can keep it
>
> Ellery had a blast in the firefly from Maine
> do not archive*
>
> *
>
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Do I need to ask if you're pleased about it ?? :-) Congratulations,
Dave. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave & Eve Pelletier
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
Guys,
YAHOO!!! I took my practical test for YIPPEE!!! Sport Pilot and
YEEEHAW!!! I passed. HOORAY!!! I spent
about three hours with the Examiner, about one in the air, and I got
the big CONGRATULATIONS from him. So it's over and done and you
couldn't wipe the smile off my face with a ten-pound sledge. Oh, to
keep this Kolb related, I took the test in my Kolb MKIII. A Big THANK
YEW to everyone who gave me advice and support.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
(Really, as far as I'm concerned, this shoud not only be archived but
carved in stone.)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Usage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, isn't it too bad it's come down to this. Wasn't it Shakespeare who
said, "Much ado about nothing ??" Seems like we go thru this subject every
year or so, with people - many people - like myself, getting a great deal
of enjoyment out of the interchange on the List. Not just the strictly Kolb
related tech talk, but the exchange between people with a common interest.
Then, there are those who demand a strict interpretation of Matt's rules
regarding List usage. What bothers you so badly about people enjoying
themselves ?? The comment about using the "delete" key has been put forth,
and sneered at, and the why escapes me. How big of a deal is it to see
something you're not interested in and clicking on delete ?? I know I do it
many times a day getting rid of spam, that I REALLY hate. I also do it
frequently when I see troubleshooting tips for 2 stroke engines that I have
no interest in, but I certainly don't snipe at those who enjoy and
appreciate those topics. From what I've seen, I would say that Matt seems
like a very reasonable person who is most likely more than pleased to see
the enjoyment and entertainment so many get from the use of his product.
That's not to say we should get crazy about it - moderation is best in most
things, including this. I agree, too, that name calling is not a solution.
Why not relax, and understand that there are people with different interests
using a common product ?? Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VG's for doubters ;-)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> WARNING, The link provided below might not be totally Kolb related, please
> do not click if you may be offended
> ----- Original Message ----- do not archive
> From: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:17 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: VG's for doubters
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
>>
>> Sorry, I couldn't resist sharing this info after it was brought to my
>> attention by a friend that built a 701. Zenith 701 is an incredible STOL
>> aircraft and is well known for it's leading edge slats. Checkout below
>> where flight testing has been done with slats compared to slats removed
>> and VG's added. The slats do help create additional lift at high angles
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Good fer yea Mate'e
glad to see some one got it done instructors are kinda slow (LAZY) in this
neiborhood for the sport pilot license
Ellery
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| Subject: | VG's for doubters ;-) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
Snicker snicker...
Do not archive...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denny Rowe
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VG's for doubters ;-)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
WARNING, The link provided below might not be totally Kolb related, please
do not click if you may be offended
----- Original Message ----- do not archive
From: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:17 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: VG's for doubters
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
>
> Sorry, I couldn't resist sharing this info after it was brought to my
> attention by a friend that built a 701. Zenith 701 is an incredible STOL
> aircraft and is well known for it's leading edge slats. Checkout below
> where flight testing has been done with slats compared to slats removed
> and VG's added. The slats do help create additional lift at high angles
> of attack, but also add a lot of drag in normal flight configurations.
> Read the numbers for yourself and if you don't think they will help your
> Kolb, you are missing out on a good thing. Try VG's, you'll be amazed that
> such a simple little thing can make such a big improvement in your
> aircraft performance and it doesn't have downsides. They did also add
> them to the underside of the horizontal stab's on the 701, similar to what
> many of us have done on Kolbs. You don't have to spend a lot of money if
> you don't want.... Jack Hart and others have provided all the info you
> need to make your own for a few bucks like I did.
>
> http://www.stolspeed.com/content.php
>
> Nothing tried, nothing gained.
>
> --------
> Jim Hefner
> Kolbless in Tucson :(
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66592#66592
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VG's for doubters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Oct 8, 2006, at 7:17 PM, jimhefner wrote:
> Try VG's, you'll be amazed that such a simple little thing can make
> such a big improvement in your aircraft performance and it doesn't
> have downsides.
Thanks to a beautiful evening and my VGs and flaps I had the
privilege Sunday evening to fly in a nice stable nose high 28 mph
indicated airspeed side by side in close formation with a local
two place powered parachute.
I think all that is pretty amazing for a fat pilot in a fat Kolb
Firestar.
VGs ,,,,,,, big improvement ,,,,,,,, no downsides ?
YOU BET !
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Usage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:51 PM, Larry Bourne wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Yah, isn't it too bad it's come down to this.
Hey guys, careful now !
If you get any better at *preaching* yer gonna make our Reverend
Pike envious.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <kfackler@ameritech.net>
I completed the checkride for Sport Pilot today.
-Ken Fackler
do not archive
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Larry beat me to it.......... I watched that 1st one, and thought about
the one the other day, and was gonna tell ya to hurry up and get floats
on that plane, before history repeats itself. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: possums
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Videos
At 12:14 AM 10/5/2006, you wrote:
Well, c'mon, go fer it. Whatcha waitin' for ?? Do
not Archive.
Here some you can watch & make varooom ...varoooom noises
to Larry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bDLH85njs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqenFwxe2I
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Usage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Of what?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
PS - for a sample of Da Old Poop's preaching, check
http://www.bcchapel.org/resource/archives/index.htm
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Usage
Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Hey guys, careful now !
If you get any better at *preaching* yer gonna make our Reverend
Pike envious.
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