---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/14/06: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:20 AM - Re: Looking for a "Flying Mark III" - (Forwarded messa (icrashrc) 2. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: possum's dream machine (possums) 3. 08:37 AM - Re: crosswind (jimhefner) 4. 08:52 AM - First solo yesterday (jimhefner) 5. 10:00 AM - Re: Looking for a "Flying Mark III" - (Forwarded messa (planecrazzzy) 6. 11:41 AM - Looking For A Plane To Trailer (Chris Wolf) 7. 02:10 PM - max EGT (Larry Cottrell) 8. 02:28 PM - Re: max EGT (John Hauck) 9. 02:29 PM - Re: max EGT (Richard Pike) 10. 03:15 PM - Re: max EGT (Larry Cottrell) 11. 04:10 PM - Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer (planecrazzzy) 12. 04:16 PM - Clean'n out the Hangar . . AHA. . Another treasure. (wmtatham@juno.com) 13. 04:28 PM - Re: Clean'n out the Hangar . . AHA. . Another treasure. (David Key) 14. 05:07 PM - Clean'n out the Hangar . . VGs and Rotax exhaust aready sold. (wmtatham@juno.com) 15. 05:12 PM - Firestar/Warp Drive Noise (John Hauck) 16. 05:27 PM - Re: max EGT (John Hauck) 17. 06:36 PM - Re: max EGT (Denny Rowe) 18. 07:13 PM - Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 19. 07:21 PM - Re: Firestar/Warp Drive Noise (Larry Cottrell) 20. 07:36 PM - Re: max EGT (Richard Pike) 21. 08:19 PM - Re: max EGT (John Hauck) 22. 08:57 PM - Re: Firestar/Warp Drive Noise (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 23. 09:09 PM - Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer (Chris Wolf) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:14 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a "Flying Mark III" - (Forwarded messa From: "icrashrc" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "icrashrc" Bill Gentemen was giving lessons and rides in his Mark IIIx just east of Milwalkee, Wi. Talk to Donnie @ TNK for contact info. -------- Scott do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67682#67682 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:00 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: possum's dream machine --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums At 09:30 PM 10/12/2006, you wrote: >Sorry to clog up the list with this "trivia" >....But, > >again - It's getting cold down south - gotta go put my windscreen back on. More stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIfCQX7qoT4 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: crosswind From: "jimhefner" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimhefner" The surface you are landing on makes a difference as well. Landing on pavement vs gravel, dirt or grass is a whole different deal. Loose surfaces are more foregiving than asphalt or concrete runways so you can get away with landing in more x-wind on them since the wheels can slide and you can straighten up after touchdown if you get a little sideways on them without getting slung back in the other direction like what can have happen on pavement. When I was first learning to fly the Firefly I landed on a gravel taxiway if there was any significant x-wind and still would in heartbeat if it was really blowing x-wind. -------- Jim Hefner Kolbless in Tucson :( Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67756#67756 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:03 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: First solo yesterday From: "jimhefner" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimhefner" Congratulations to Henry Voris, who had a successful first solo yesterday in his Firefly!!! He he recently purchased the Firefly from me. Henry lives on Maui, HI and has been here in Tucson the last couple weeks taking U/L lessons from a local BFI. We had an ideal day yesterday for his solo and he got her up, flew around the valley about 45 minutes and got her down (both from a gravel taxiway) without bending anything... :) He plans to stay here until the end of Oct, getting used to flying the Firefly and seeing the local sights before shipping the plane off to Maui in late Nov. I can't wait to see his photos from Maui. He's a really good photographer and one heck of a interesting and nice guy so he'll fit in well here. Please welcome Henry to the list and give him all the same great support I have had over the last 5 years!! Thanks ya'll and CONGRATULATIONS again to Henry!! -------- Jim Hefner Kolbless in Tucson :( Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67760#67760 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a "Flying Mark III" - (Forwarded messa From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" I "Forwarded" the message that the guy wrote me, here on the list.... The guy doesn't read list mail , you have to reply directly to "His" email address... Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN icrashrc wrote: > Bill Gentemen was giving lessons and rides in his Mark IIIx just east of Milwalkee, Wi. Talk to Donnie @ TNK for contact info. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67777#67777 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:36 AM PST US From: Chris Wolf Subject: Kolb-List: Looking For A Plane To Trailer --> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf I've been flying for many years, and I'm currently part owner of a Cessna 182. I also own a recreational vehicle which I love to travel in, around the country. But what I would really enjoy, is an airplane that I could tow on a trailer behind my RV, stopping and flying wherever the scenery looks interesting. RVs seem to be towing every other kind of recreational vehicle, these days, so why not an airplane? Obviously such an aircraft would have to have folding wings, which is why I've been looking at the Kolb Mark III Xtra. It looks like Kolb aircraft are designed for folding and trailering, while other folding wing designs seem to have been included as an afterthought; more for taking up less space in the hangar. I also see lots of pictures of Kolb aircraft being towed around on trailers; much more so than other aircraft. Is there a reason for this? I also like the fact that the Kolb does not use a wet wing, thus there is no need to drain the fuel before folding the wings. Does anyone have any experience with extended trailering of the 701 behind an RV? If so, I would sure like to talk to you! If anyone has any suggestions or advice on this topic, I'd sure appreciate hearing from you. Thanks! Chris Wolf cwolf41@comcast.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:32 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: max EGT I looked in my manual for the max egt and it says 1200. This is the first time that I have had an instrument to check my EGT's on both cylinders, and my front cylinder runs about 1180 but the back one is hitting 12 40 to 1258 occasionally. I have run it for at least 258 hours without knowing what the back cylinder is reading. The full throttle has been adjusted to lower the EGT, but I am on the bottom groove of my needle jet, and cannot go any richer for the midrange. Does anybody have a differing max reading? I am sure that a bit of a safety factor has been built in to that high end of the range. I should add that I have switched to my silencer again and am running a 152 main jet, and seem to affect the midrange some with the differing main jets. I have probably ran this setup for some around 125 hours without killing in the motor so far, but ignorance is bliss. I can of course bring it within range by using the enrichner circuit. I switched back to my silencer because I flew yesterday for 1 hour 3 minutes and burned about 5 gallons of fuel. It is not blubbering it out of the carb, There is no visible or discernable reason why a 447 is burning that much fuel. I therefore switched back to the silencer to see if I still burn that much fuel and to cut down a bit on the noise. With the warp and the fact that it is closer to the wing it is making a heck of a racket and I have to wear ear plugs along with my DRE 6000. There is no discernable loss of power, so I think I will keep it on, but the egt's now that I know about them is concerning me. Opinions would be appreciated. Larry, Oregon ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:56 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" There is no discernable loss of power, so I think I will keep it on, but the egt's now that I know about them is concerning me. Opinions would be appreciated. Larry, Oregon Hi Larry: Pull a little more pitch in the prop and the egt's will come down full throttle and probably mid-range as well. I am not current in tinkering with two strokes, been 16 years, but I believe it will also pull down egt in mid-range. Usually, pitching to achieve the redline for max continuous rpm, 6,500 for the rotax two strokes, will put the egt right in the ball park down near sea level. At your altitude would probably be the same if the carb is tuned as it was when it left the factory. Remember, our engine instruments are not precision. Don't know if the EIS is temperature compensating or not. Noise. All Kolbs are noisy, no matter two or four stroke. Most of the noise is generated by the close proximity of the prop blade to the trailing edge of the wing, plus all the disturbed air it is trying to live in that is generated by the engine and its components. I never did care for intake silencers or additional exhaust silencers on two strokes. Anything that reduces perfermance seems not to agree with me and my flying machines. You can probably decrease prop noise by going to a prop extension, getting the blades away from the trailing edge. For what it is worth. john h mkIII PS: Many folks get wrapped around the axle trying to get their two stroke or four stroke to operate in the correct range. The instrument sending units are probably not nearly as precise as the engines you are flying. Any way, would rather err on the rich rather than the lean side. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:29:25 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT What rpm's are you running? Max? Cruise? Climbout? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Kolb-List: max EGT I looked in my manual for the max egt and it says 1200. This is the first time that I have had an instrument to check my EGT's on both cylinders, and my front cylinder runs about 1180 but the back one is hitting 12 40 to 1258 occasionally. I have run it for at least 258 hours without knowing what the back cylinder is reading. The full throttle has been adjusted to lower the EGT, but I am on the bottom groove of my needle jet, and cannot go any richer for the midrange. Does anybody have a differing max reading? I am sure that a bit of a safety factor has been built in to that high end of the range. I should add that I have switched to my silencer again and am running a 152 main jet, and seem to affect the midrange some with the differing main jets. I have probably ran this setup for some around 125 hours without killing in the motor so far, but ignorance is bliss. I can of course bring it within range by using the enrichner circuit. I switched back to my silencer because I flew yesterday for 1 hour 3 minutes and burned about 5 gallons of fuel. It is not blubbering it out of the carb, There is no visible or discernable reason why a 447 is burning that much fuel. I therefore switched back to the silencer to see if I still burn that much fuel and to cut down a bit on the noise. With the warp and the fact that it is closer to the wing it is making a heck of a racket and I have to wear ear plugs along with my DRE 6000. There is no discernable loss of power, so I think I will keep it on, but the egt's now that I know about them is concerning me. Opinions would be appreciated. Larry, Oregon ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:08 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Pike To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT What rpm's are you running? Max? Cruise? Climbout? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) I am running 6600 max, prefer 6000 for cruise, 4400 to 4500 is where the heat builds up. Larry,Oregon do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:42 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" I tow my plane . I used to tow it each time I flew...But now I only tow it Home for winter storage ( MN ) and then back to the hanger in Spring... I still fold it up after each flight , that way I get half price hanger rental. .. .. .. GottaFly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67847#67847 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pulling_firestar_335.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:18 PM PST US From: "wmtatham@juno.com" Subject: Kolb-List: Clean'n out the Hangar . . AHA. . Another treasure. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "wmtatham@juno.com" Kolb Listers, I discovered one other item that Im offering for sale on the list. I have a set (100) CCI lexan Vortex Generators. http://www.vortexgenerator.net/ I bought two sets but only installed one. The first set went on our Mark III. They are not very noticeable at all and do a great job. We sold our other Kolb before we installed the other set so now Ill offer it for $60 including shipping and the remaining half bottle of Loctite 401 instant adhesive used for attaching the VGs. You can e-mail me ( wmtatham@juno.com ) or give a call 419 423 7075. Thanks Will Tatham Findlay, OH Will Tatham wmtatham@juno.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:39 PM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Clean'n out the Hangar . . AHA. . Another treasure. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" I want them. >From: "wmtatham@juno.com" >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Clean'n out the Hangar . . AHA. . Another treasure. >Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:15:01 GMT > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "wmtatham@juno.com" > >Kolb Listers, > >I discovered one other item that Im offering for sale on the list. >I have a set (100) CCI lexan Vortex Generators. >http://www.vortexgenerator.net/ I bought two sets but only >installed one. The first set went on our Mark III. They are not >very noticeable at all and do a great job. > >We sold our other Kolb before we installed the other set so now Ill >offer it for $60 including shipping and the remaining half bottle of >Loctite 401 instant adhesive used for attaching the VGs. > > >You can e-mail me ( wmtatham@juno.com ) > >or give a call 419 423 7075. > >Thanks > > >Will Tatham >Findlay, OH > > >Will Tatham >wmtatham@juno.com > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:55 PM PST US From: "wmtatham@juno.com" Subject: Kolb-List: Clean'n out the Hangar . . VGs and Rotax exhaust aready sold. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "wmtatham@juno.com" Kolb Listers, The hangar is getting emptier. A Texas flyer made short work of the CCI VG offer and I've also got a buyer for the Rotax exhaust system. The only thing left is the 13 qts of CPS AV-2 50/50 blend 2-cycle oil. Please contact me if you're interested. Thanks You can e-mail me ( wmtatham@juno.com ) or give a call 419 423 7075. Thanks Will Tatham Findlay, OH ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:59 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar/Warp Drive Noise --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" With the warp and the fact that it is closer to the wing it is making a heck of a racket and I have to wear ear plugs along with my DRE 6000. Larry, Oregon Larry: Is your airplane louder than my mkIII? You flew in it last May. When I first used my new DRE6000, I had trouble sealing around my odd shaped head and my glasses. A tiny air leak destroyed any noise reduction they were trying to make. My set came equipped with temper foam ear seals. I traded a set of liquid gel ear seals from my David Clark 10-40 headset. No more air leaks and the DRE6000 worked much, much better. Are you getting a good seal? and are you still using the original temper foam seals? john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:38 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" my front cylinder runs about 1180 but the back one is hitting 12 40 to 1258 occasionally. Larry, Oregon Larry: Understand the heat spike is at 44oo to 4500 rpm. However, you did not say what it was at WOT and your cruise rpm which is 6000. After a little more thought and the info you posted in response to Richard Pike's questions, I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about it. If it bothers you, then increase or decrease throttle a little to find more desireable egt. Again, pullin a tad more pitch will also reduce egt. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:43 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > Again, pullin a tad more pitch will also reduce egt. > > john h > mkIII > I agree with John, 6600 rpm is a little high for WOT level flight, crank in a tad more pitch and get it down around 6400- 6500 and I'll bet you'll like the effect on your EGTs across the board. Denny Rowe ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:27 PM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Looking For A Plane To Trailer --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Wolf" Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Looking For A Plane To Trailer I also see lots of pictures of Kolb aircraft being > towed around on trailers; much more so than other aircraft. Is there a > reason for this? > > Does anyone have any experience with extended trailering of the 701 behind > an RV? If so, I would sure like to talk to you! > > Chris Wolf > cwolf41@comcast.net Now Chris you've confused me. You talk a lot about towing a Kolb and it's advantages, etc. but then you ask about towing a 701??? Oh well, I have a MKIII Classic and have towed it all over the place. Dunno how many miles but its gotta be upwards of 5,000 and virtually no problems except those that I've caused. The Kolb does real well in it's rolling hangar, which is an enclosed trailer. Lots of guys tow their Kolbs. Be glad to help in any way I can. Ask and you'll get it answered. AzDave Do Not Archive > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:24 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar/Warp Drive Noise --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" Jack Hart said- "Loosen the boot to carburetor clamp and rotate the bottom of the carburetor a little toward the back cylinder. This will balance out flow to the both cylinders. It worked for me." > John Hauck Said- " Is your airplane louder than my mkIII? You flew in it last May. Are you getting a good seal? and are you still using the original > temper foam seals?" "Understand the heat spike is at 44oo to 4500 rpm. However, you did not say what it was at WOT and your cruise rpm which is 6000." Denny Rowe added- "I agree with John, 6600 rpm is a little high for WOT level flight, crank in a tad more pitch and get it down around 6400- 6500 and I'll bet you'll like the effect on your EGTs across the board." Gang, Thanks for all the help. I feel a little like Beauford did. When things change there is a reason. The only problem is that I am not smart enough to find it. While I am used to being baffled, I am still not reconciled to the fact! I put a 152 jet in it since my last post ( I had a 150). Before and now the temp at cruise is 1180 to 1150 on the front cylinder and 1180 to 1224 on the back. I also just got back from flying it for 29 minutes to see what it is doing and to try to find out why I am burning so much fuel. The temps did not change with the main jet change, other than the fact that if I used the enrichner circuit it wanted to shut down the motor. so I will go back to the 150 or preferably the 148 jet, which ever will work. I am going to pitch the prop up a 1/2 or full degree. I have been hitting 6540 on climb out, actually less at flat wot. ( I have it set at 71/2 degrees with the protractor) This time I got the best temps at 5700 to 5800. From the action of the enrichner circuit I feel that the main jet is too big. When I got Jack's post I hopped up and went out to check the carb position and found that it was tilted towards the back already. I am aware that the manual calls for it to be vertical to the engine. Is it possible that It would do better up straighter? I tilted it back anyway. John, I checked my spacer that I had for the IVO and it is a 2 1/2 inch model. I do not have bolts long enough to mount it. I put new gel seals in my DRE the day I got it. I don't think it squeezes my head tight enough though, so I will look to tightening that up. No John it is not as noisy as either Pfer or John W's Kolbra, but it is a lot nosier than it used to be. I can live with it though. Now for fuel, I flew for 29 minutes with 5 gallons in both tanks at 57 to 5800 rpm's with of course a climb out to 500 feet agl on take off. My back tank is supplying more fuel than the front tank. That leads me to believe that it is being pressurized by the air flow. That part is different in this version in that the tanks are exposed at the top since I did not cover up above them hoping that with the increased air flow to the prop, performance would be better. In the flight I burned 1.5 gallons in 29 minutes. That is more like what it should be. Yesterday I flew for 63 minutes and burned 5 gallons. That was with a stock jet needle and a 160 main jet, no silencer. The jet needle that I am using with the silencer is thinner, therefore a bit richer. It is the next size up from the stock jet needle. If I were using stock it would be a lot hotter. I find all this very confusing. All I did was flip it up on its back, you suppose its still holding a grudge? Larry, Oregon do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:05 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT No wonder you are burning so much fuel if you cruise at 6,000. I have my 582 prop pitched so that I climb out at 6,250, max RPM is 6,450, and cruise at 5,300 solo, 5,600 with a passenger, and it uses under 4 gph solo, a little over 4 gph with a passenger. And it is a whole lot quieter at 5,500 than it is at 6,000. Crank some pitch into that prop and see if you don't like it a lot better. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Pike To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT What rpm's are you running? Max? Cruise? Climbout? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) I am running 6600 max, prefer 6000 for cruise, 4400 to 4500 is where the heat builds up. Larry,Oregon do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:47 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" cruise at 5,300 solo, 5,600 with a passenger, and it uses under 4 gph solo, a little over 4 gph with a passenger. And it is a whole lot quieter at 5,500 than it is at 6,000. Richard Pike Richard: 5300 solo? That ain't cruising, that's crawling. ;-) What is the true airspeed at 5,300 rpm? My normal cruise with Rotax two strokes was 5,800 rpm, 75% power. Fuel burn was 3.75 gph in the 447 and 5 to 5.5 gph with the 582. Come to think of it, I also cruised the Cuyuna at 5,800. Can't remember what it burned, but probably something like 3 to 3.5 gph. BTW: Isn't 5,300 rpm just a knotch below where the engine comes up on the pipe? or am I living in the past again? Maybe all that has changed since my two stroke days. After all, my last one met its demise 13 years ago. Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:12 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar/Warp Drive Noise In a message dated 10/14/2006 10:22:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lcottrell@fmtcblue.com writes: In the flight I burned 1.5 gallons in 29 minutes. That is more like what it should be. Yesterday I flew for 63 minutes and burned 5 gallons. Larry, Take a look at your spark plugs to see if you are burning rich or lean. When you engage the enrichiner (choke) and the engine wants to quit, that would seem to indicate you are running way rich and the plugs are flooding out. If that is the case, check that the carb needle circlip is placed below the plastic spring thingy. Others have on occasion installed this incorectly and it allows the needle to ride up resulting in excessive richness and fuel burn. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:08 PM PST US From: Chris Wolf Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Looking For A Plane To Trailer --> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:13:49 -0700, Dave wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Wolf" >To: >Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 11:40 AM >Subject: Kolb-List: Looking For A Plane To Trailer > > > I also see lots of pictures of Kolb aircraft being >> towed around on trailers; much more so than other aircraft. Is there a >> reason for this? >> >> Does anyone have any experience with extended trailering of the 701 behind >> an RV? If so, I would sure like to talk to you! >> > >> Chris Wolf >> cwolf41@comcast.net >Now Chris you've confused me. You talk a lot about towing a Kolb and it's >advantages, etc. but then you ask about towing a 701 Oops! Sorry. Meant to say Kolb. I've also been looking at a Zenith 701, since it also has folding wings. Wanted to find out which plane trailers better, so I asked about trailering the 701 over on the Zenith list. Guess I still had the 701 on my mind! >Oh well, I have a >MKIII Classic and have towed it all over the place. Dunno how many miles >but its gotta be upwards of 5,000 and virtually no problems except those >that I've caused. The Kolb does real well in it's rolling hangar, which is >an enclosed trailer. Lots of guys tow their Kolbs. Be glad to help in any >way I can. Ask and you'll get it answered. > >AzDave Much appreciated, Dave. I definitely get the impression that lots of pilots tow their Kolbs, but I don't hear too much about trailering a Zenith 701. One of the guys from the Zenith factory admitted to me that the 701's folding wings are more intended for saving hangar space, rather than trailering. In fact, he recommended that the 701's wings be completely removed before trailering. Also, since the 701 has fuel tanks in the wings, the fuel has to be drained before folding the wings (or removing the wings). And the 701 uses bolts, rather than clevis pins to secure the wings, so the Kolb folds a little faster than the 701. And finally, since the folded Kolb is not nearly as tall as the folded Zenith, the trailer wouldn't have to be so tall. Looks like when it comes to towing, the Kolb is the clear winner. And that's a very important consideration for me. I want a plane that I can tow behind my RV. And it looks like the view from the Kolb is unbeatable. Since I'm buying a plane for sightseeing, that's also very important to me. I'm still making up my mind between the 701 and the Kolb. So if I occasionally seem to mention the wrong one, you'll know why! But I'm definitely leaning toward the Kolb at this point. I've had some sheet metal experience, which favors the all-metal 701, but it looks like fabric covering isn't that hard to learn. And I hear it's cheap to repair. Chris Wolf cwolf41@comcast.net