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1. 02:55 AM - Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer (pat ladd)
2. 05:04 AM - Chris...Florida (Blumax008@AOL.COM)
3. 07:50 AM - Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
4. 08:14 AM - Re: max EGT (Richard Pike)
5. 08:33 AM - Re: max EGT (Larry Cottrell)
6. 08:39 AM - speed (robert bean)
7. 01:44 PM - Towing The Kolb (Chris Wolf)
8. 01:49 PM - Re: Firestar/Warp Drive Noise (Eugene Zimmerman)
9. 01:57 PM - Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer (Chris Wolf)
10. 02:02 PM - Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer (Chris Wolf)
11. 02:10 PM - Re: Firestar/Warp Drive Noise/Tuning The Two Stroke (John Hauck)
12. 02:10 PM - Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra (Chris Wolf)
13. 02:48 PM - Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer (Dennis Souder)
14. 02:56 PM - Re: Towing The Kolb (planecrazzzy)
15. 03:18 PM - Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer (Chris Wolf)
16. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Towing The Kolb (Chris Wolf)
17. 04:17 PM - Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
18. 04:35 PM - Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer (Robert Laird)
19. 04:36 PM - Re: Towing The Kolb (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
20. 04:47 PM - Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer (Chris Wolf)
21. 04:47 PM - Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra (Todd Fredricks)
22. 04:53 PM - Re: Towing The Kolb (N27SB@aol.com)
23. 05:09 PM - Re: Chris...Florida (Chris Wolf)
24. 05:15 PM - Re: Towing The Kolb (Chris Wolf)
25. 05:18 PM - Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra (Chris Wolf)
26. 05:31 PM - Re: Towing The Kolb (Larry Cottrell)
27. 05:55 PM - Cargo? (grabo172)
28. 06:14 PM - Re: Cargo? (David Lehman)
29. 06:19 PM - Re: Spark Plug Readings (Eugene Zimmerman)
30. 06:31 PM - Re: Towing The Kolb (Chris Wolf)
31. 06:35 PM - Re: Cargo? (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
32. 06:37 PM - Re: Towing The Kolb (Chris Wolf)
33. 06:40 PM - Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra (Chris Wolf)
34. 06:55 PM - First Flight With New Engine... (David Lehman)
35. 06:56 PM - Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra (John Hauck)
36. 07:14 PM - Re: First Flight With New Engine... (Eugene Zimmerman)
37. 07:22 PM - Re: First Flight With New Engine... (David Lehman)
38. 07:25 PM - Re: First Flight With New Engine... (Larry Bourne)
39. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Towing The Kolb (Larry Bourne)
40. 07:32 PM - Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra (Larry Bourne)
41. 07:33 PM - Re: First Flight With New Engine... (David Lehman)
42. 07:38 PM - Re: First Flight With New Engine... (David Lehman)
43. 07:44 PM - Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra (Todd Fredricks)
44. 07:54 PM - Re: First Flight With New Engine... (Larry Bourne)
45. 07:55 PM - Re: max EGT (Richard Pike)
46. 08:08 PM - Re: First Flight With New Engine... (Eugene Zimmerman)
47. 08:20 PM - Re: First Flight With New Engine... (David Lehman)
48. 08:28 PM - Re: max EGT (Larry Cottrell)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
It looks like Kolb aircraft
are designed for folding and trailering, while other folding wing designs
seem to have been included as an afterthought; >>
Hi Chris,
If folding wings are the most important consideration and it is available in
the States try the `Escapade`. Sorry to be a traitor to the Kolb but
compared to the Escapade the Kolb wing fold was designed by a retarded 5
year old.
With the Escapade you can fold the wings, by yourself, without any trestles
or supports in 2 minutes. No disconnect of controls. Ready to trailer away
in 7 minutes.
I am not saying it is a better plane, after all I bought a Kolb, but for
wing folding it has to be considered.
Pat
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Chris,
I'm a Kolb owner & recommend it highly for what you're contemplating.
However, give thought to a Trike also. If you're not familiar, this is a
hang-glider type flying machine with a carriage called a Trike attached to it.
They've become very sophisticated nowadays, carry two people etc.
They're much lighter than a Kolb, take up much less space & adapt easily to
trailering with a much smaller trailer. The wing folds to about 16 ft. total
on average. I recommend a single surface wing which requires a lot less
hassle folding & unfolding with only 18 battens total.
I've been flying them for 8 years now. I also HIGHLY recommend the Rotax 503
motor. You'll have much less hassle with NOT dealing with anti-freeze,
hoses, radiators, oil pumps ad infinitum. The key words here are....LESS HASSLE.
Not to mention the time you'll save at top overhaul not having to deal with all
that crap.
Just don't let one fall on your head.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
. In fact, he recommended that the 701's wings be completely
> removed before trailering. Also, since the 701 has fuel tanks in the
> wings, the fuel has to be drained before folding the wings (or removing
> the
> wings).
Seems like a real pain to me. Also, I know some folding planes (Kitfox, I
think) fold back without rotating the wings down. This makes for faster
folding but you need a really wide trailer to handle it.
And the 701 uses bolts, rather than clevis pins to secure the
> wings, so the Kolb folds a little faster than the 701.
I don't think the speed of folding/unfolding is an issue - at least for me
it isn't. When you factor in the amount of time needed to drive to the
airport, set up, etc. a few minutes more or less for set up to me is
immaterial. What is important to me is whether or not it can be done by one
person.
I plan on one hour from dropping the tail gate to taxiing. That gives me
time to get all the junk out of the trailer, remove all the tie downs, roll
out the plane, remove all the security thingys I have for traveling, put the
plane together, refuel, preflight, pee, then go flying.
I've had some
> sheet metal experience, which favors the all-metal 701, but it looks like
> fabric covering isn't that hard to learn. And I hear it's cheap to
> repair.
Fabric is real easy to repair. Unfortunately, I'm real good at it.
AzDave
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Ah, Dear Brother John - Life has changed since Jurassaic Park...
Pipe? Comes up on the pipe?
What are these strange words that you speak?
<grin>
<can't resist>
<the coffee tastes better while smiling>
When I had my old 532 on the MKIII, getting on and off the pipe was like
climbing on, or falling off of a ladder, but with this 582 I have now (maybe
because it has both the intake and exhaust silencers?) there is no
discernable pipe effect. None. And although I would agree with your earlier
post that installing intake and exhaust silencers ought to reduce the power
some (if you have to go to smaller jets when you put the intake silencer on,
then it ought to be making less power) I still got the same RPM at the same
prop pitch after I installed it. Don't know why, but I did. No explanation.
With the airframe mods I have made on the MKIII, 5,300 rpm gives me 65 mph
average. Some days better, some days worse.
If I were a cross country enthusiast like yourself, that would be crawling.
But since 95% of my flying is to local airports within 50 miles, who cares
if it is 65 mph or 85 mph? So I save 5 minutes? Big deal. I fly to fly, not
get there. Besides, the ride is SO much smoother at 65, and the engine is SO
much quieter at 5,300.
Also, I have a hidden agenda. Since everything else is working perfectly
satisfactory at that slower RPM, I intend to expand the envelope on the 582
overhaul time. Since most of the crank bearing wear is due to centrifugal
loads rather than thrust loads, I plan to operate the 582 to 400 hours
before overhaul. Running an engine at 5,300 rpm constant rather than 5,800
rpm constant reduces centrifugal bearing loads enormously.
Unfortunately, since I have had health issues the last two years and am only
getting in about 50 hours a year, I will have to wait another 5 years to
find out if this plan has worked or not...
Blessings,
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> cruise at 5,300 solo, 5,600 with a passenger, and it uses under 4 gph
> solo, a little over 4 gph with a passenger. And it is a whole lot
> quieter at 5,500 than it is at 6,000.
> Richard Pike
>
> Richard:
>
> 5300 solo?
>
> That ain't cruising, that's crawling. ;-)
>
> What is the true airspeed at 5,300 rpm?
>
> My normal cruise with Rotax two strokes was 5,800 rpm, 75% power.
> Fuel burn was 3.75 gph in the 447 and 5 to 5.5 gph with the 582. Come
> to think of it, I also cruised the Cuyuna at 5,800. Can't remember
> what it burned, but probably something like 3 to 3.5 gph.
>
> BTW: Isn't 5,300 rpm just a knotch below where the engine comes up on
> the pipe? or am I living in the past again? Maybe all that has
> changed since my two stroke days. After all, my last one met its
> demise 13 years ago.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT
> Also, I have a hidden agenda. Since everything else is working perfectly
> satisfactory at that slower RPM, I intend to expand the envelope on the
> 582 overhaul time. Since most of the crank bearing wear is due to
> centrifugal loads rather than thrust loads, I plan to operate the 582 to
> 400 hours before overhaul. Running an engine at 5,300 rpm constant rather
> than 5,800 rpm constant reduces centrifugal bearing loads enormously.
Hi,
I flew a Mark III that I had with that much pitch in the prop, and found
that it still burned 5 + gallons an hour. I do have to admit that it wasn't
configured as your is so I wasn't able to go as low on the rpm to keep
flying. About the lowest rpm's that I could manage was 5600. I guess my
point is that whether your prop is pitched so that you can cut the rpm's
back it is still making the same amount of thrust to keep you in the air at
what ever speed you choose. It is just the one that is pitched higher is
working harder at a lower rpm. To my untrained mind it seems a lot like
lugging down a car by the use of the transmission.
Larry, Oregon
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
< If I were a cross country enthusiast like yourself, that would be
crawling. But since 95% of my flying is to local airports within 50
miles, who cares if it is 65 mph or 85 mph? So I save 5 minutes? Big
deal. I fly to fly, not get there. Besides, the ride is SO much
smoother at 65, and the engine is SO much quieter at 5,300.>
I second that observation. 65 is a happy speed. When I zip it up to
75 the overall sensation
is that the airplane is unhappy. Very tough to describe but it just
doesn't feel right.
No doubt wing loading is the culprit as my all up weight is about 760
lbs. solo.
BB, last ride was with no gloves. Not smart.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
One aspect of towing a Kolb around the country, behind an RV, that I really
hadn't thought about before, is the overall length of the package. With
the folded airplane about 24 feet long, you'd end up with a trailer around
28 feet long (counting the hitch). Add that to the 28 feet of my RV, and
the total length of the package is 56 feet. Bigger than the biggest Class
A motorhome. That seems to be legal in most states, but I guess I'd better
start thinking like the driver of an eighteen wheeler!
Does anybody here regularly tow a Kolb behind an RV? If so, do you have
any words of wisdom to offer?
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar/Warp Drive Noise |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Oct 14, 2006, at 10:20 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> Yesterday I flew for 63 minutes and burned 5 gallons.
Larry,
5 gallons in 63 minutes seems very excessive to me. My Firestar with
a 582 does 2.5 to 3 gallon per hour and my friend Willie with a 503
will do less than 2 gallon per hour. Now Willie is a very good
mechanic and he may be living rather close the lean edge with his
fuel economy but 2.5 gal per hour should be easily and safely
possible in a properly set Firestar II.
I can tell you though that neither Willie nor I are cruising @ 6000
rpm and we are happy as a lark poking along @ 55/60 mph.
I would suggest, along with increasing prop pitch, that you
temporarily disregard your EGT readings " for the time being",
restore the stock jets and go strictly by your plug color to
determine any further adjustments if necessary.
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:54:56 +0100, Pat Ladd wrote:
>>Chris Wolf wrote:
>>
>> It looks like Kolb aircraft
>>are designed for folding and trailering, while other folding wing designs
>>seem to have been included as an afterthought; >>
>Hi Chris,
>
>If folding wings are the most important consideration and it is available in
>the States try the `Escapade`. Sorry to be a traitor to the Kolb but
>compared to the Escapade the Kolb wing fold was designed by a retarded 5
>year old.
>With the Escapade you can fold the wings, by yourself, without any trestles
>or supports in 2 minutes. No disconnect of controls. Ready to trailer away
>in 7 minutes.
>
>I am not saying it is a better plane, after all I bought a Kolb, but for
>wing folding it has to be considered.
Yes it does. I have looked at the Escapade, along with the Rans Coyote and
Kitfox. They all seem like fine planes, but they all fold their wings the
same way. The wing breaks at the leading edge, next to the fuselage, and
simply swings back against the fuselage. This certainly makes for quick
wing folding, and would be ideal for quick folding for hangar storage, but
it seems to have a couple of potential drawbacks for extended trailering.
First, the wings are still in their flying configuration. If being carried
on an open trailer, a strong side gust of wind could easily generate a lot
of lift from the wing being struck. The plane will end up being pulled up
and down at the same time. I don't know if the forces involved are enough
to damage the plane, but I would hate to be the guy who finds out.
Second, and more important, the folded plane is going to be significantly
wider than a plane like the Kolb, where the wings fold flat against the
fuselage. This would seem to require a wider trailer, which is bulkier and
more expensive.
I guess it comes down to which is more important; quick fold, or smaller
trailer. Must think about this.
Thanks for the recommendation.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:50:43 -0700, Dave Pelletier wrote:
>>Chris Wolf wrote:
>> In fact, he recommended that the 701's wings be completely
>> removed before trailering. Also, since the 701 has fuel tanks in the
>> wings, the fuel has to be drained before folding the wings (or removing
>> the wings).
>Seems like a real pain to me.
Yeah, that's my biggest complaint against the 701's folding wings. The
fuel has to be drained before folding the wings.
>Also, I know some folding planes (Kitfox, I
>think) fold back without rotating the wings down. This makes for faster
>folding but you need a really wide trailer to handle it.
>
>And the 701 uses bolts, rather than clevis pins to secure the
>> wings, so the Kolb folds a little faster than the 701.
>
>I don't think the speed of folding/unfolding is an issue - at least for me
>it isn't. When you factor in the amount of time needed to drive to the
>airport, set up, etc. a few minutes more or less for set up to me is
>immaterial. What is important to me is whether or not it can be done by one
>person.
Good point. I take it the Kolb can be folded (or unfolded) by just one
person?
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar/Warp Drive Noise/Tuning The Two Stroke |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| determine any further adjustments if necessary.
|
| Gene
Gene:
Before the days of readily available and less expensive
EGT/Pyrometers, We always used plug readings to dial in two and four
strokes.
What procedure do you use in dialing in a two stroke using spark plug
readings?
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
If I get a Kolb, which one should I buy? The Mark III Classic, or the Mark
III Xtra? I need two seats, so it seems that it's one or the other.
It looks like the main difference between the two planes is the width of
the nose. I understand that the wider nose on the Xtra permits better
placement of the rudder pedals, and gives more leg room. It looks bigger
on the Xtra. I'm about 6'3" tall, and weigh about 250. My flying buddy is
5'8", and weighs 170. Are the rudder pedals (or seats) adjustable on the
Xtra? I saw cockpit pictures of both Classic and Xtra, and it looked like
the Xtra had a LOT more leg room.
Would a guy my size be comfortable in a Classic, or should I definitely go
for the Xtra?
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
Chris,
But also don't lose sight of the fact the Escapade has a much smaller wing
than Kolb. A smaller wing is easier to fold. Smarter yet, make the wing
even smaller and you won't even need to fold it. Ray Stits flew a plane with
an 8 ft wing span - no folding required!
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pat ladd
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Looking For A Plane To Trailer
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
It looks like Kolb aircraft
are designed for folding and trailering, while other folding wing designs
seem to have been included as an afterthought; >>
Hi Chris,
If folding wings are the most important consideration and it is available in
the States try the `Escapade`. Sorry to be a traitor to the Kolb but
compared to the Escapade the Kolb wing fold was designed by a retarded 5
year old.
With the Escapade you can fold the wings, by yourself, without any trestles
or supports in 2 minutes. No disconnect of controls. Ready to trailer away
in 7 minutes.
I am not saying it is a better plane, after all I bought a Kolb, but for
wing folding it has to be considered.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi Wolf,
I've got a class "A" licence...Your single vehicle max lenght is 45'
Combination of vehicles is 75'....Some states vary...
I've seen RV's pulling race trailers....That would be about the same lenght
.
.
.
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 03:00:16 -0400, Dennis Souder wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
>
>Chris,
>
>But also don't lose sight of the fact the Escapade has a much smaller wing
>than Kolb. A smaller wing is easier to fold. Smarter yet, make the wing
>even smaller and you won't even need to fold it. Ray Stits flew a plane with
>an 8 ft wing span - no folding required!
Indeed. Planes can be flown with very small wings. But they don't tend to
glide too well if the engine quits. I understand the Zenith 701 comes down
at about a thousand feet per minute, unpowered.
Or you can fly a powered parachute, or powered paraglider, with a ram-air
parachute wing. The ultimate folding wing. Just stuff it in a bag!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:56:00 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi Wolf,
> I've got a class "A" licence...Your single vehicle max lenght is 45'
No problem there. My Class C RV is only 28'.
> Combination of vehicles is 75'....Some states vary...
Hmm. That gives me about twenty feet left. Maybe I could hook up my boat?
;-)
> I've seen RV's pulling race trailers....That would be about the same lenght
>.
>.
>.
>Gotta Fly...
>Mike & "Jaz" in MN
Just don't try to go through the drive-through at McDonald's.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
I can tell you the Extra has adjustable rudder pedals. I am 5'4" and have
them set at the middle position. It is not easy to adjust them between flights
(or pilots) but can be done. There is probably more room in the extra
cockpit than a C-150. I now have about 50 hrs on my extra and thoroughly enjoy
it
(in comfort).
Larry Tasker
MKlllx -583-3 blade warp
N615RT
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| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
On 10/15/06, Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Good point. I take it the Kolb can be folded (or unfolded) by just one
> person?
Yes. I do it every time I fly.
Also, I've flown in a 701... nice plane and all, but the view -- especially
at slow speeds -- sux big time... you have to look out the door to see
anything in front of you.
-- Robert, MkIIIC/912ULS
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
> Does anybody here regularly tow a Kolb behind an RV?
Yes, I regularly tow my Kolb in an enclosed trailer behind a 34' RV. Never
had a problem in either Az or Ca.
If so, do you have
> any words of wisdom to offer?
Maybe, depends on what you want to know
AzDave
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| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:34:25 -0500, Robert Laird wrote:
>>On 10/15/06, Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Good point. I take it the Kolb can be folded (or unfolded) by just one
>> person?
>Yes. I do it every time I fly.
Glad to hear that. Another point in the Kolb's favor. Does it really only
take about 15 minutes?
>Also, I've flown in a 701... nice plane and all, but the view -- especially
>at slow speeds -- sux big time... you have to look out the door to see
>anything in front of you.
I've also flown in a 701, and I thought the view was pretty
decent.....until I got a look at the view from a Kolb. For a flightseeing
airplane, the Kolb looks hard to beat.
Also, the 701 is a bit cramped when it comes to leg room. Looks like
plenty of leg room on a Mark III Xtra.
Thanks for the info!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
Here is my two bits:
I am 6'3" and weigh 250 pounds. I have sat in both the Classic and Mark
IIIX.
The Classic is 'cozy'. Once in you have plenty of head room but your feet
are definitely tight and I mean that to the point where I didn't feel as if
I had the space for good free controllability of the rudder pedals.
The Mark IIIX is very roomy and once you are in it you have plenty of room.
The problem is getting in and out of the thing. I found that trying to
squeeze through the door openings was a little difficult. Difficult to the
point that I felt like I was not entirely happy with the whole process and
started looking at other airplanes. Kolb brought a Mark IIIX to OSH this
year and I will be honest, I was disappointed when I sat in it because I
really had my hopes up and it was just friggin hard to get through that
door.
The jury is not out. I have a build start date of 2008 because of some other
"wife-generated-home-improvement-mandates" that will eliminate all my shop
space with furniture storage (why we even need furniture I have no idea, but
I have learned not to go there.) so I will continue to trek off to Oshkosh
and sit sit sit in everything until I get it really figured out.
What I wish is that Kolb made a tandem with more room up front. I couldn't
even get into the front seat of the Kolbra and I want doors on both sides of
the airplane that I can remove.
The RANs S-18 came pretty close to perfect but I hate the tail, the wings
don't fold and the airplane is no longer supported by the company as far as
I know.
There is a real need in the world for an airplane made for the genetically
challenged like us. I think they do have one out there with a big enough
cockpit... ...its called a 757 and they are kind of pricey and I am certain
that the wing folding is not an option.
I am seriously considering an AirCam, but that means the price of two Mark
IIIX in one machine. If not for the ingress, egress issue the IIIX would be
about perfect.
Todd
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| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
Chris,
For years I towed a fishing boat to the Fla Keys from Orlando. We found that
we could drive the RV for about 8 mpg or tow with it for about 8mpg. When we
used a pick up we could get 8mpg or less. The main thing to remember is to
tow with empty holding tanks. Full tanks tend to make most RVs unstable due to
their placement far aft. In many case we would use the RV even if we were not
staying in it.
steve
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| Subject: | Re: Chris...Florida |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:03:56 EDT, Bill wrote:
>Chris,
>
>I'm a Kolb owner & recommend it highly for what you're contemplating.
Lots of Kolb owners seem to agree with you. I'm definitely getting a good
feel for Kolbs.
>However, give thought to a Trike also. If you're not familiar, this is a
>hang-glider type flying machine with a carriage called a Trike attached to it.
>They've become very sophisticated nowadays, carry two people etc.
>
>They're much lighter than a Kolb, take up much less space & adapt easily to
>trailering with a much smaller trailer. The wing folds to about 16 ft. total
>on average. I recommend a single surface wing which requires a lot less
>hassle folding & unfolding with only 18 battens total.
I'm pretty familiar with trikes. Came close to buying one, once or twice.
Very nice little aircraft. Everything you say about them is true.
Definitely thinking about one. Only drawback is when you run into some
rain; which we have a lot of, in the Pacific Northwest.
Thanks for the recommendation!
>I've been flying them for 8 years now. I also HIGHLY recommend the Rotax 503
>motor. You'll have much less hassle with NOT dealing with anti-freeze,
>hoses, radiators, oil pumps ad infinitum. The key words here are....LESS HASSLE.
>Not to mention the time you'll save at top overhaul not having to deal with all
> that crap.
>
>Just don't let one fall on your head.
I quite agree. I owned a Rotax 503 for about six years. The perfect
little engine. Never any problems, and about as simple as you can get.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:37:17 -0700, Dave Pelletier wrote:
>>Chris Wolf wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody here regularly tow a Kolb behind an RV?
>Yes, I regularly tow my Kolb in an enclosed trailer behind a 34' RV. Never
>had a problem in either Az or Ca.
Hmm. That's even longer than my 28' RV.
>>If so, do you have any words of wisdom to offer?
>Maybe, depends on what you want to know
I have two areas of concern. The first is wind. Ever have any problems
with wind side gusts? I suppose an enclosed trailer, long enough to
contain a 24' Kolb, would be heavy enough that the weight of the plane
would be immaterial.
My second concern is finding RV campgrounds able to accommodate such a long
setup. Seems like it would be doable, since the length is comparable to
towing a car with a big Class A RV. What do you do when you pull into an
RV campground, towing that long trailer behind you? Rent two spaces? Do
you call ahead to make sure they can handle you?
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:16:33 EDT, Larry Tasker wrote:
>I can tell you the Extra has adjustable rudder pedals. I am 5'4" and have
>them set at the middle position. It is not easy to adjust them between flights
>(or pilots) but can be done. There is probably more room in the extra
>cockpit than a C-150. I now have about 50 hrs on my extra and thoroughly enjoy
it
>(in comfort).
>
>Larry Tasker
>MKlllx -583-3 blade warp
>N615RT
Good information. Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wolf" <cwolf41@comcast.net>
> I have two areas of concern. The first is wind. Ever have any problems
> with wind side gusts? I suppose an enclosed trailer, long enough to
> contain a 24' Kolb, would be heavy enough that the weight of the plane
> would be immaterial.
>
> My second concern is finding RV campgrounds able to accommodate such a
> long
> setup. Seems like it would be doable, since the length is comparable to
> towing a car with a big Class A RV. What do you do when you pull into an
> RV campground, towing that long trailer behind you? Rent two spaces? Do
> you call ahead to make sure they can handle you?
Hi,
I towed my firestar in a 25 foot trailer behind a 36 foot Motor Home to
Monument Valley in 2004 from Klamath Falls, Ore. I did run into one of the
camp grounds that was not able to handle my set up. What you do is ask if
they have a place where you could park your trailer. Trailers are generally
not that much of a problem in most of the parks since now most of the MH are
towing a toy trailer of some sort. The older parks were not made to even
handle the size of MH now being commonly used. One difficulty that I had was
that my MH has an air suspension and the length of both of the rigs set up a
rocking effect. Dual axles would help that in your trailer, and you will
want something to stop the trailer from rocking side to side like a "sway
tamer". Other than that I had no problem with the trip or any others that I
had.
Larry, Oregon
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "grabo172" <grabo172@sc.rr.com>
Hey all,
I've been trying to find a good place to carry a bag in my original Firestar, but
I can't find a decent place to put one.
Anyone have any pictures of your baggage area in your planes so I can get and idea
of something I can do?
Thanks,
--------
-Erik Grabowski
Kolb Firestar N197BG
CFI/CFII
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=68059#68059
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Erik...
I installed a 6 gal. "root tube" type tank (Quicksilver?) in front of my
engine on my original Firestar... Now I can carry baggage, additional fuel
,
whatever below the engine where the original tank was located... I also
mounted a large bag behind the sling seat, forward of the cross tube, that
holds a lot of "stuff"... I found a bag that fits from side to side, but
isn't so deep that it hits the cables in the boom tube...
DVD
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On 10/15/06, grabo172 <grabo172@sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "grabo172" <grabo172@sc.rr.com>
>
> Hey all,
>
> I've been trying to find a good place to carry a bag in my original
> Firestar, but I can't find a decent place to put one.
>
> Anyone have any pictures of your baggage area in your planes so I can get
> and idea of something I can do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --------
> -Erik Grabowski
> Kolb Firestar N197BG
> CFI/CFII
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spark Plug Readings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
John,
I have always found that you won't go wrong by starting with new
plugs and stock jets and pin clip in a center position. Fly for an
hour or two listening for a slight stumble while descending under low
power. This stumble indicates a sufficiently rich mixture. Check the
plug color after the engine has cooled down. In many cases the plugs
will show a dark grey to slightly black oily color. Lean out by
raising pin clip to top position and cruise for another hour or two
and check plug color again. Should be slightly more brown and show
less oily residue. If it is still gray or black and oily, a jet
change to a smaller size may be called for or a worn needle jet and
needle replaced. At the altitudes and temperatures I fly the stock
jets and needles usually provide enough mixture adjustment to get a
nice brown plug color. I have found that the color inside the exhaust
pipe also eventually reflects the plug color. If the plugs look
light tan and dry the mixture is TOO lean. A two stroke will also
"talk" to a mechanic's trained ear which is what I most depend on but
that skill is not easily taught to a newbie.
On Oct 15, 2006, at 5:09 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | restore the stock jets and go strictly by your plug color to
>
> Gene:
>
> Before the days of readily available and less expensive
> EGT/Pyrometers, We always used plug readings to dial in two and four
> strokes.
>
> What procedure do you use in dialing in a two stroke using spark plug
> readings?
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:53:38 EDT, Steve wrote:
>Chris,
>For years I towed a fishing boat to the Fla Keys from Orlando. We found that
>we could drive the RV for about 8 mpg or tow with it for about 8mpg. When we
>used a pick up we could get 8mpg or less. The main thing to remember is to
>tow with empty holding tanks. Full tanks tend to make most RVs unstable due to
>their placement far aft. In many case we would use the RV even if we were not
> staying in it.
>
>steve
Good advice. Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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I carry things in a bag gelow the Boom tube inside behind the seat on the
fabric but I used stronger Fabric on the cadge because I knew I would be doing
that
I can put my coat and sleeping bage in there and My tie downs
Ellery In Original Firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:31:12 -0600, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>>Chris Wolf wrote:
>>
>> My second concern is finding RV campgrounds able to accommodate such a
>> long
>> setup. Seems like it would be doable, since the length is comparable to
>> towing a car with a big Class A RV. What do you do when you pull into an
>> RV campground, towing that long trailer behind you? Rent two spaces? Do
>> you call ahead to make sure they can handle you?
>Hi,
> I towed my firestar in a 25 foot trailer behind a 36 foot Motor Home to
>Monument Valley in 2004 from Klamath Falls, Ore. I did run into one of the
>camp grounds that was not able to handle my set up. What you do is ask if
>they have a place where you could park your trailer. Trailers are generally
>not that much of a problem in most of the parks since now most of the MH are
>towing a toy trailer of some sort.
Very interesting. That makes sense, since, as you say, most of the RVs are
towing toy trailers. I wondered how they were being handled. I recently
saw a picture of a double decker toy trailer designed to haul both a car
AND a boat!
>The older parks were not made to even
>handle the size of MH now being commonly used.
Yeah, I've noticed when I take my 28' footer to National Forest Service
campgrounds, it's sometimes a tight fit.
>One difficulty that I had was
>that my MH has an air suspension and the length of both of the rigs set up a
>rocking effect. Dual axles would help that in your trailer, and you will
>want something to stop the trailer from rocking side to side like a "sway
>tamer". Other than that I had no problem with the trip or any others that I
>had.
>Larry, Oregon
Excellent information, Larry. Thanks very much!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:16:33 EDT, Larry Tasker wrote:
>I can tell you the Extra has adjustable rudder pedals. I am 5'4" and have
>them set at the middle position. It is not easy to adjust them between flights
>(or pilots) but can be done. There is probably more room in the extra
>cockpit than a C-150. I now have about 50 hrs on my extra and thoroughly enjoy
it
>(in comfort).
>
>Larry Tasker
>MKlllx -583-3 blade warp
>N615RT
Glad to hear the rudder pedals are adjustable. Thanks for the info!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | First Flight With New Engine... |
Made the first flights with my new 503 DCDI and 66X34 prop today... Makes
my original Firestar think it's a helicopter!... Whoopee!...
DVD
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| I am seriously considering an AirCam, but that means the price of
two Mark
| IIIX in one machine. If not for the ingress, egress issue the IIIX
would be
| about perfect.
|
| Todd
Todd:
Ever think about modifying the entrance system to fit your
requirement?
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight With New Engine... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Impressive isn't it? :-)
How did you get a 66" prop to fit?
On Oct 15, 2006, at 9:55 PM, David Lehman wrote:
> Made the first flights with my new 503 DCDI and 66X34 prop
> today... Makes my original Firestar think it's a helicopter!...
> Whoopee!...
>
> DVD
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --
> "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"...
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight With New Engine... |
"B" box mounted up...
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On 10/15/06, Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>
> Impressive isn't it? :-)
>
> How did you get a 66" prop to fit?
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2006, at 9:55 PM, David Lehman wrote:
>
> > Made the first flights with my new 503 DCDI and 66X34 prop
> > today... Makes my original Firestar think it's a helicopter!...
> > Whoopee!...
> >
> > DVD
> >
> > do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight With New Engine... |
That sounds great, David. I think something like that would be a blast
to fly. I believe John Jung also has a 503 on his FireStar, and it goes
almost straight up. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lehman
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: First Flight With New Engine...
Made the first flights with my new 503 DCDI and 66X34 prop today...
Makes my original Firestar think it's a helicopter!... Whoopee!...
DVD
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| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'm sure you were only kidding about the boat, but just in case - I wanted
to do the same thing - seriously - and in many states you can get away with
it, tho' I think you need a commercial driver's license, and must conform to
the max length rules. Trouble is, with you in the Northwest, Oregon flat
out does not permit it, and will force you to park it and leave one trailer
sit. To the north, British Columbia is the same way. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wolf" <cwolf41@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Towing The Kolb
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
>
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:56:00 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Hi Wolf,
>> I've got a class "A" licence...Your single vehicle max lenght
>> is 45'
>
> No problem there. My Class C RV is only 28'.
>
>> Combination of vehicles is 75'....Some states vary...
>
> Hmm. That gives me about twenty feet left. Maybe I could hook up my
> boat?
> ;-)
>
>> I've seen RV's pulling race trailers....That would be about the same
>> lenght
>>.
>>.
>>.
>>Gotta Fly...
>>Mike & "Jaz" in MN
>
> Just don't try to go through the drive-through at McDonald's.
>
> Chris Wolf
> cwolf41@comcast.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
As long as you are building a plane, build gull wing doors for it. It's
somewhat of a job, but can be done. See the page in my website by clicking
on the link in my signature, below. Access is Very easy.
Maybe you'd like to buy an almost completed Mk III Classic - cheap - with
gull wing doors already built, but with no engine ?????? :-)
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Fredricks" <flyingfox@copper.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
>
> Here is my two bits:
>
> I am 6'3" and weigh 250 pounds. I have sat in both the Classic and Mark
> IIIX.
>
> The Classic is 'cozy'. Once in you have plenty of head room but your feet
> are definitely tight and I mean that to the point where I didn't feel as
> if
> I had the space for good free controllability of the rudder pedals.
>
> The Mark IIIX is very roomy and once you are in it you have plenty of
> room.
> The problem is getting in and out of the thing. I found that trying to
> squeeze through the door openings was a little difficult. Difficult to the
> point that I felt like I was not entirely happy with the whole process and
> started looking at other airplanes. Kolb brought a Mark IIIX to OSH this
> year and I will be honest, I was disappointed when I sat in it because I
> really had my hopes up and it was just friggin hard to get through that
> door.
>
> The jury is not out. I have a build start date of 2008 because of some
> other
> "wife-generated-home-improvement-mandates" that will eliminate all my shop
> space with furniture storage (why we even need furniture I have no idea,
> but
> I have learned not to go there.) so I will continue to trek off to Oshkosh
> and sit sit sit in everything until I get it really figured out.
>
> What I wish is that Kolb made a tandem with more room up front. I couldn't
> even get into the front seat of the Kolbra and I want doors on both sides
> of
> the airplane that I can remove.
>
> The RANs S-18 came pretty close to perfect but I hate the tail, the wings
> don't fold and the airplane is no longer supported by the company as far
> as
> I know.
>
> There is a real need in the world for an airplane made for the genetically
> challenged like us. I think they do have one out there with a big enough
> cockpit... ...its called a 757 and they are kind of pricey and I am
> certain
> that the wing folding is not an option.
>
> I am seriously considering an AirCam, but that means the price of two Mark
> IIIX in one machine. If not for the ingress, egress issue the IIIX would
> be
> about perfect.
>
> Todd
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> --
> Todd Fredricks, DO
> Flying Fox Services
>
> http://web.mac.com/flyingfoxservices
> flyingfoxservices@mac.com
> Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight With New Engine... |
You're correct Larry, it's a blast to fly... Even though I'm stuck in
"Lovely" Fresno, there's plenty of places in the foothills to play "bush
pilot" and the added power will make it more enjoyable...
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On 10/15/06, Larry Bourne <biglar@gogittum.com> wrote:
>
> That sounds great, David. I think something like that would be a blast
> to fly. I believe John Jung also has a 503 on his FireStar, and it goes
> almost straight up. Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 15, 2006 6:55 PM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: First Flight With New Engine...
>
>
> Made the first flights with my new 503 DCDI and 66X34 prop today... Make
s
> my original Firestar think it's a helicopter!... Whoopee!...
>
> DVD
>
> do not archive
> *
> *
>
>
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"Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"...
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight With New Engine... |
Hmmm...
Now that you mention it, what is the "standard" length prop on a 503
Firestar?... I bought the 66X34 because it was local and I wanted short
field performance...
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On 10/15/06, Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>
> Impressive isn't it? :-)
>
> How did you get a 66" prop to fit?
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2006, at 9:55 PM, David Lehman wrote:
>
> > Made the first flights with my new 503 DCDI and 66X34 prop
> > today... Makes my original Firestar think it's a helicopter!...
> > Whoopee!...
> >
> > DVD
> >
> > do not archive
>
--
"Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"...
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
John;
As a aerodynamic structural engineer, I make a pretty good ER doctor, if you
know what I mean. :)
Todd
On 10/15/06 9:56 PM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
>
> two Mark
> would be
>
> Todd:
>
> Ever think about modifying the entrance system to fit your
> requirement?
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
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Flying Fox Services
http://web.mac.com/flyingfoxservices
flyingfoxservices@mac.com
Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight With New Engine... |
Well, yah, Fresno isn't all that inspiring, tho' it's beats Bakersfield
hands down, but you're right next to Yosemite and all the surrounding
country, and that'd hafta be awesome. Goferit. I think it'd be a lot
like "lovely" Palm (Furnace) Springs, where I'm stuck. Where I live is
the pits, but within just a few miles are enuf interesting things to
keep a guy busy for years. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lehman
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First Flight With New Engine...
You're correct Larry, it's a blast to fly... Even though I'm stuck in
"Lovely" Fresno, there's plenty of places in the foothills to play "bush
pilot" and the added power will make it more enjoyable...
DVD
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Do you have a 2 blade prop or a three blade? A 2 blade is more efficient at
lower rpm's than a 3 blade. A 3 blade prop has a narrower usable rpm band
than a 2 blade prop. Back when I was using a 3 blade prop, 5600 was the
lowest rpm I could fly too. Now I can go to 4800 if I need to and still
maintain altitude.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
> <snip>
> > Hi,
> I flew a Mark III that I had with that much pitch in the prop, and found
> that it still burned 5 + gallons an hour. I do have to admit that it
> wasn't configured as your is so I wasn't able to go as low on the rpm to
> keep flying. About the lowest rpm's that I could manage was 5600. I guess
> my point is that whether your prop is pitched so that you can cut the
> rpm's back it is still making the same amount of thrust to keep you in the
> air at what ever speed you choose. It is just the one that is pitched
> higher is working harder at a lower rpm. To my untrained mind it seems a
> lot like lugging down a car by the use of the transmission.
> Larry, Oregon
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight With New Engine... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
David,
My original Firestar had 60" prop. No way could I use a 66" prop
without mounting the engine up higher.
Most Firestar II have 66" or 68" props. I raised the 582 engine to
use a 72" prop on my current Firestar II.
On Oct 15, 2006, at 10:38 PM, David Lehman wrote:
> Hmmm...
>
> Now that you mention it, what is the "standard" length prop on a
> 503 Firestar?... I bought the 66X34 because it was local and I
> wanted short field performance...
>
> DVD
>
> do not archive
>
>
> On 10/15/06, Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net> wrote: -->
> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net >
>
> Impressive isn't it? :-)
>
> How did you get a 66" prop to fit?
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2006, at 9:55 PM, David Lehman wrote:
>
> > Made the first flights with my new 503 DCDI and 66X34 prop
> > today... Makes my original Firestar think it's a helicopter!...
> > Whoopee!...
> >
> > DVD
> >
> > do not archive
>
>
> --
> "Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"... _-
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List _-
> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> ===========================================================
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight With New Engine... |
Interesting, thanx...
My previous engine was a belt drive 503 SC/points... With the belt drive
the engine was high and the prop low... I had a 59" Warp that just cleared
the boom (I have a lot more clearance now), but that's also the prop that
came off in flight, ate my right aileron and convinced me to go for the 503
DCDI with a gearbox...
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On 10/15/06, Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>
> David,
> My original Firestar had 60" prop. No way could I use a 66" prop
> without mounting the engine up higher.
> Most Firestar II have 66" or 68" props. I raised the 582 engine to
> use a 72" prop on my current Firestar II.
>
>
--
"Attitude is everything ~ pick a good one"...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Do you have a 2 blade prop or a three blade? A 2 blade is more efficient
> at lower rpm's than a 3 blade. A 3 blade prop has a narrower usable rpm
> band than a 2 blade prop. Back when I was using a 3 blade prop, 5600 was
> the lowest rpm I could fly too. Now I can go to 4800 if I need to and
> still maintain altitude.
The Mark III had a three blade IVO in-flight adjustable 68 inch. My Firestar
has a 68 two blade warp.
Larry, Oregon
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