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1. 09:33 AM - Firestar Loading-Hauling Dolly (Terry Davis)
2. 10:30 AM - Inspection Plates? (Chris Wolf)
3. 11:05 AM - Re: Inspection Plates? (Richard Girard)
4. 11:19 AM - Re: Inspection Plates? (David Lehman)
5. 11:22 AM - Re: Inspection Plates? (Chris Wolf)
6. 11:24 AM - Re: Inspection Plates? (Chris Wolf)
7. 12:05 PM - Firestar II Blueprints (special4)
8. 01:32 PM - reserving a N number... (Arksey@aol.com)
9. 02:08 PM - Kolb Cabin Heat? (Chris Wolf)
10. 03:05 PM - Re: Firestar Loading-Hauling Dolly (John Hauck)
11. 03:14 PM - Re: Inspection Plates? (John Hauck)
12. 03:23 PM - Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? (Richard Pike)
13. 03:33 PM - Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? (John Hauck)
14. 03:57 PM - Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? (John Hauck)
15. 04:08 PM - Re: Inspection Plates? (Chris Wolf)
16. 04:23 PM - Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? (Chris Wolf)
17. 04:34 PM - Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? (Chris Wolf)
18. 05:00 PM - Re: reserving a N number... (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
19. 06:18 PM - reserving N number (Arksey@aol.com)
20. 07:10 PM - Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
21. 07:54 PM - Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? (Richard Pike)
22. 08:10 PM - kolb cabin heat (Arksey@aol.com)
23. 08:19 PM - Re: kolb cabin heat (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
24. 08:39 PM - reserving N numbers (Arksey@aol.com)
25. 08:54 PM - Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? (Chris Wolf)
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| Subject: | Firestar Loading-Hauling Dolly |
Listers,
With the talk lately about scraping wing leading edges while loading and
ramp angles I thought I'd add my 2-cents worth. I tried the "stock, as
advertised" route early on and found it way too hard on my back and
still had to find a way to support the wings and tailwheel in the
trailer and secure everything for hauling. Someone posted a pic of a
dolly for their M3 and I took it from there.
With my setup I have about 10 inches of LE clearance which is more than
I actually wanted. With the handle on the end it is real easy to roll
the folded ship around and pulling it up the ramp and into the trailer
has no worries of LE contact. Also the location of the tube saddle and
the wing supports takes most of the weight off the tube to cage
junction. I screwed two strips on the trailer floor which stops side to
side movement and a strap through the wingtip handholds holds everything
down. This is the 3rd modification of the dolly and I will probably
redo it this winter again to make it lighter and a little more
professional looking, but hey, it works this way fine.
Notable features taken from the list are John H's 4130 gear legs 35.5
long with 600x6 acft tires and short 4130 tailspring, and planecrazzy's
front LE stabilizer and lets not forget whoever it was that posted the
idea for the dolly. Steven Green maybe? That's the nice thing about
the list, you can bring all this stuff together while sitting in your
undershorts in a warm house.
Terry Davis
Eastern Oregon
FS, 11 Hours!!!!!
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| Subject: | Inspection Plates? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
Having very little experience with tube and fabric aircraft, like the Kolb,
I have a rather elementary question. On metal-skin airplanes, there are
inspection covers that permit examination of the wing's interior structure.
Is there any similar structure on a fabric covered wing? Is there any easy
way to inspect the interior structure of a fabric covered wing?
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plates? |
Chris, you can get inspection cover rings and inspection covers from Spruce
and Wick's.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cs/inspection.html
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=107/index.html
Rick
On 10/18/06, Chris Wolf < cwolf41@comcast.net> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf < cwolf41@comcast.net>
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> Having very little experience with tube and fabric aircraft, like the
> Kolb,
> I have a rather elementary question. On metal-skin airplanes, there are
> inspection covers that permit examination of the wing's interior
> structure.
> Is there any similar structure on a fabric covered wing? Is there any
> easy
> way to inspect the interior structure of a fabric covered wing?
>
> Chris Wolf
> cwolf41@comcast.net
>
>
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plates? |
And my experience is, get the recessed inspection plates, especially for th
e
area affected by propwash... They won't dance and fall off...
DVD
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On 10/18/06, Richard Girard <jindoguy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Chris, you can get inspection cover rings and inspection covers from
> Spruce and Wick's.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cs/inspection.html
> http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=107/index.ht
ml
>
> Rick
>
>
> On 10/18/06, Chris Wolf < cwolf41@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf < cwolf41@comcast.net>
> >
> >
> > Having very little experience with tube and fabric aircraft, like the
> > Kolb,
> > I have a rather elementary question. On metal-skin airplanes, there ar
e
> >
> > inspection covers that permit examination of the wing's interior
> > structure.
> > Is there any similar structure on a fabric covered wing? Is there any
> > easy
> > way to inspect the interior structure of a fabric covered wing?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plates? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:05:13 -0500, you wrote:
>Chris, you can get inspection cover rings and inspection covers from Spruce
>and Wick's.
>
>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cs/inspection.html
>http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=107/index.html
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>Rick
I figured somebody had figured out how to do it for a fabric aircraft.
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plates? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:18:56 -0700, David Lehman wrote:
>And my experience is, get the recessed inspection plates, especially for the
>area affected by propwash... They won't dance and fall off...
Good suggestion. Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Firestar II Blueprints |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "special4" <sportsflyer@comcast.net>
I am new to the list, and I am rebuilding a 1996 Firestar II. Unfortunately the
former owner lost page(s) 26 & 28. Where can I get copies of the 2 pages. Did
try Kolb, but no response....
Thanks
Peter
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Sportsflyer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=68767#68767
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| Subject: | reserving a N number... |
I decided to reserve a N number for our Firestar ll and so I went on line to
the FAA web site and and did the search to see what was still available, I
then picked a number that was not reserved and went thru the process to give
my credit card info and pay the $10.00 for the 1 year fee. When I went to
put in the N number i wanted I found that to be difficult, but proceded and I
thought to myself this is going to be interesting to see how this works out.
they will send you in 2 or 3 weeks written confirmation of your requested N
number reservation. I felt certain that it would me a mess and that getting it
done correctly would be a challenge...To my supprise a man from the FAA
called me on the phone and had a N number for me, it had the last letter and last
number i wanted but was not what i would have picked for the rest of it...I
told him that I had a bit of problem with the web site and the number i
prefered, he looked it up and then reserved it for me....Who says the government
cannot do things in a good manner....I was surprised that I got such good
service from a government agency....wow things are looking up...
jim swan firestar ll Mi.
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| Subject: | Kolb Cabin Heat? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
Is it possible to add cabin heat to a Kolb? I know there's no factory kit
for it, but I've heard it can be done with a 503 engine. Any Kolb that I
get will end up with a 912 engine, and I'm wondering if there's a way to
add cabin heat to that setup. Anybody ever done it?
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Loading-Hauling Dolly |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Terry:
How about some profile and frontal photos of the FS. I haven't seen a
FSII, I think that is what you are flying, with longer gear legs and
decent tires.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plates? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Is there any similar structure on a fabric covered wing?
Yes.
Is there any easy
| way to inspect the interior structure of a fabric covered wing?
Yes.
Same inspection cover. A nylon ring is cemented to the fabric with a
patch over the top. After the fabric is finalized, all dope and
paint, the inside the nylon ring is cut out and an inspection plate
insterted, after the plate is painted to match that area of the
fabric.
john h
mkIII
PS: Don't have to cut out the ring until the first time you want to
inspect.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
I ran the plumbing past the radiator through the cockpit and to a small
heater core in the nose, and then back to the radiator. Put a 12V computer
fan in front of the heater core to draw air through. It worked pretty good
in the summer...
Got tired of fooling with it. Took it out. Might be possible with more work,
but I decided that warm clothes and good boots were simpler.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wolf" <cwolf41@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Cabin Heat?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
>
>
> Is it possible to add cabin heat to a Kolb? I know there's no factory kit
> for it, but I've heard it can be done with a 503 engine. Any Kolb that I
> get will end up with a 912 engine, and I'm wondering if there's a way to
> add cabin heat to that setup. Anybody ever done it?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris Wolf
> cwolf41@comcast.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
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| Thanks!
|
| Chris Wolf
Chris:
I went to the Kolb Archives, typed in "cabin heat" in the search
string. Got 72 hits. That should keep you busy for a few minutes.
Rather than go to the trouble of piping hot air or hot water into my
cabin, I opted for a Chilli Vest designed for endurance riders in
England, where conditions can be very cold and very wet. The Chilli
Vest is a 12VDC powered and electronic digitally controlled piece of
equipment. I operate mine off the aircraft battery. Have made a
couple flights to the Arctic region with it. Good piece of gear that
gets the job done. Allows one to fly in below freezing temps with
minimum of winter clothing. Keeps the core temp up and the pilot
happy. ;-)
http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
small
| heater core in the nose, and then back to the radiator.
| Richard Pike
Richard:
I don't like the idea of hot water in the cockpit. Two reasons:
1-Burns.
2-If a hose or fitting blows, not only do you get burned and possibly
blinded by the hot water and antifreeze, the cockpit instantly goes
IFR from the steamed up glass.
I know of two instances where this happened, and neither of these was
related to a cockpit heaters.
Norm Labhart was flying the MKIII and a coolant hose let go, instantly
pumping hot water onto his back and head, plus steaming up the glass
and blinding him.
Bryan Blackwood was flying Bruce Chesnut's Sling Shot at Labhart Field
with a child in the back seat. This is the same SS I had been flying
earlier in the day. Coolant hose let go blowing hot water on both of
them, plus steamed up the glass and instant IFR.
Think I'll stick with my Chilli Vest.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plates? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:14:35 -0500, John Hauck wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
>| Is there any similar structure on a fabric covered wing?
>
>Yes.
>
> Is there any easy
>| way to inspect the interior structure of a fabric covered wing?
>
>Yes.
>
> Same inspection cover. A nylon ring is cemented to the fabric with a
>patch over the top. After the fabric is finalized, all dope and
>paint, the inside the nylon ring is cut out and an inspection plate
>insterted, after the plate is painted to match that area of the
>fabric.
>
>john h
>mkIII
>
>PS: Don't have to cut out the ring until the first time you want to
>inspect.
Darn clever, these aircraft builders!
Thanks for the info.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:21:46 -0400, Richard Pike wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
>I ran the plumbing past the radiator through the cockpit and to a small
>heater core in the nose, and then back to the radiator. Put a 12V computer
>fan in front of the heater core to draw air through. It worked pretty good
>in the summer...
>Got tired of fooling with it. Took it out. Might be possible with more work,
>but I decided that warm clothes and good boots were simpler.
I do have a very good dog mushers suit; the same sort they wear during the
Iditarod dog race in Alaska. Thin, lightweight, absolutely windproof,
wonderfully warm, and expensive as hell. Bought it from Cabella's. I love
it for open cockpit flying. Guess it would work for the Kolb, in winter.
Thanks for the feedback!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:33:33 -0500, John Hauck wrote:
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>>
>> | Is it possible to add cabin heat to a Kolb? Anybody ever done it?
>>|
>>| Thanks!
>>|
>>| Chris Wolf
>Chris:
>
>I went to the Kolb Archives, typed in "cabin heat" in the search
>string. Got 72 hits. That should keep you busy for a few minutes.
I'll take a look at them. Thanks!
>Rather than go to the trouble of piping hot air or hot water into my
>cabin, I opted for a Chilli Vest designed for endurance riders in
>England, where conditions can be very cold and very wet. The Chilli
>Vest is a 12VDC powered and electronic digitally controlled piece of
>equipment. I operate mine off the aircraft battery. Have made a
>couple flights to the Arctic region with it. Good piece of gear that
>gets the job done. Allows one to fly in below freezing temps with
>minimum of winter clothing. Keeps the core temp up and the pilot
>happy. ;-)
>
>http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm
I have a similar electric vest that I've used for open cockpit flying, with
great results. I forget the brand name of mine, but it's made of carbon
fiber cloth. No individual wires; the cloth is one big heating wire, and
produces a very even heat over the entire surface of the cloth. No hot or
cold spots. Kinda like being snuggled up next to your Honey, on a cold
night. You can even poke a hole in the vest, and it still works. Nice
electronic thermostat.
I used to wear it while flying a powered parachute in the wintertime. Kept
me delightfully warm. But the 503 Rotax engine was also powering a pair of
electric carb heaters, and an EIS display. When I turned on my vest, the
numbers disappeared on the EIS. Had to alternate between reading my EIS,
and keeping warm!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: reserving a N number... |
To my supprise a man from the FAA called me on the phone and had a N
number for me, it had the last letter and last number i wanted but was
not what i would have picked for the rest of it...I told him that I had
a bit of problem with the web site and the number i prefered, he looked
it up and then reserved it for me....Who says the government cannot do
things in a good manner....I was surprised that I got such good service
from a government agency....wow things are looking up...
jim swan firestar ll Mi.
Jim,
You didn't finish the story. What happened when you woke up?
Seriously, nice to see that someone is getting good service.
AzDave
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| Subject: | reserving N number |
Jim,
You didn't finish the story. What happened when you woke up?
Seriously, nice to see that someone is getting good service.
AzDave
dave,
good point...was i asleep and dreaming....hope not....will let you know
if i receive N number in the mail....Flew the firestar this evening., was a
touch rough because of a light wind and some turbulent air, but had a good
time, sure a good way to located the turkeys and the areas with lots of
geese....also the deer....trees will soon be in full color. Was cloudy this evening
so did not take any pictures....Sure like the Kolb for sight seeing cannot
wait to get to Florida and look over some of that from the air. While I have
flown over some of it there is lots more that will be interesting....
jim swan firestar ll MI
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
I have made a Complete inclosure on My Firestar and a Heater for the 447 and
I have made heaters for the 503 as well it sure makes it nice flying all
winter usually in just a long sleeve shirt I make a collector Box that installs
over where your engine cooling air escapes to the atmosphere it has a flap
valve inside to direct the heat inside the cabin or to the atmosphere and I can
control how much heat I get in flight also
I willl take pictures and Post them if you need
Ellery in a Heated Firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
That's why I took it out. Not to mention the fact that it didn't work worth
keeping. Now if it had worked really, really good... but it didn't.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Cabin Heat?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> small
>
>
> Richard:
>
> I don't like the idea of hot water in the cockpit. Two reasons:
>
> 1-Burns.
>
> 2-If a hose or fitting blows, not only do you get burned and possibly
> blinded by the hot water and antifreeze, the cockpit instantly goes
> IFR from the steamed up glass.
>
> I know of two instances where this happened, and neither of these was
> related to a cockpit heaters.
>
> Norm Labhart was flying the MKIII and a coolant hose let go, instantly
> pumping hot water onto his back and head, plus steaming up the glass
> and blinding him.
>
> Bryan Blackwood was flying Bruce Chesnut's Sling Shot at Labhart Field
> with a child in the back seat. This is the same SS I had been flying
> earlier in the day. Coolant hose let go blowing hot water on both of
> them, plus steamed up the glass and instant IFR.
>
> Think I'll stick with my Chilli Vest.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
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I have made a Complete inclosure on My Firestar and a Heater for the 447 and
I have made heaters for the 503 as well it sure makes it nice flying all
winter usually in just a long sleeve shirt I make a collector Box that
installs over where your engine cooling air escapes to the atmosphere it has a
flap
valve inside to direct the heat inside the cabin or to the atmosphere and I
can control how much heat I get in flight also
I willl take pictures and Post them if you need
Ellery in a Heated Firestar
Ellery,
post the pics...i would also like to see how you did it....sounds good for
those that fly in cold weather....while i go to florida in the winter now,
years ago I used to fly a j-3 cub on ski's here in michigan and it was sure
great fun....when the snow was right I landed lots of places and of course on
a
lot of the lakes....used to go ice fishing that way...I have got to believe a
Kolb would be a blast on ski's
jswan firestar ll michgian
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I will get Pictures of my heater system tomorrow and post them
Ellery
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Friend Jim,
Here's from Ch 1 Flying Tales of The Grey Baron:
Tail Numbers
Grandpa, tell us the story about how you got the lucky tail numbers for you
r
airplane. All right, Timmy, but you have to sit quietly and not blow the
foam off Grandpa=99s beer.
Grey Baron.....Bob
did you just write this story or is it something you done before and is it
one of your books?? Sure good....you do a good job of writing....thanks
for
posting it....
jswan firestar ll michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:09:35 EDT, Ellery wrote:
>I have made a Complete inclosure on My Firestar and a Heater for the 447 and
>I have made heaters for the 503 as well it sure makes it nice flying all
>winter usually in just a long sleeve shirt.
That would be nice!
>I make a collector Box that installs
>over where your engine cooling air escapes to the atmosphere it has a flap
>valve inside to direct the heat inside the cabin or to the atmosphere and I can
>control how much heat I get in flight also.
That sounds great. Will such a setup also work on a Rotax 912? I know
that engine is at least partly liquid cooled.
> I willl take pictures and Post them if you need
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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