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1. 08:09 AM - Tie Down (Larry Rice)
2. 09:41 AM - Fw: New Kolb owner (Beauford T)
3. 10:13 AM - Re: Ten Rib FireStar (Terry)
4. 11:16 AM - Re: Tie Down (pat ladd)
5. 11:26 AM - Kolb Training Question (Chris Wolf)
6. 11:42 AM - Re: Tie Down (robert bean)
7. 01:03 PM - Re: Kolb Training Question (Jerry Deckard)
8. 01:30 PM - Re: Kolb Training Question (Chris Wolf)
9. 03:46 PM - Re: Tie Down (Bob Noyer)
10. 06:11 PM - Re: Ten Rib FireStar (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
11. 08:06 PM - Re: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! (planecrazzzy)
12. 09:25 PM - New windshield (Rick Pearce)
13. 09:25 PM - New windshield (Rick Pearce)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Larry Rice <rice@iapdatacom.net>
If you have a big wind coming up, remember the 1920's barnstormer trick.
Dig 2 holes in the dirt for the mains, make them deep enough to put the
wing at zero lift with the tailwheel on the ground. Put the mains in the
holes, fill them with dirt, then tie down your airplane. You'll have to
clean it up afterwards, but you'll still have an airplane even after one
heck of a wind.
Larry the micro Mong guy
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford T" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Jim:
Congrats on the purchase of the Firefly, and welcome to the list.
I think the Fly is a delightful little machine and I am sure you will enjoy
yours, especially
if you can get the weight down closer to where it was designed to be;
around 500 lbs all-up gross. I regularly fly mine at about 515 or 520,
but believe me every extra pound costs you in terms of performance and I
can feel it in mine when I load it over 515... even 10 pounds makes a
substantial difference. A 500 pound Fly pushed by a healthy 447 is a real
rocket ship...
Of most concern to me in what you wrote is the 503 installation. The
steel cage on the stock Fly is manufactured mostly from .028 wall
thickness chromoly... Back in '99, I talked to the factory folks about
cage materials and engineering when I was ordering my kit. The guys at
original Kolb told me that the cage was engineered to be heavy enough to
take the weight and stress of the Rotax 447, but definitely not engines
heavier or more powerful. After talking with them a while, I had the cage
for my airplane built
using thicker .035 tube, even though it
made the cage a couple of pounds heavier. I have discussed the matter of
putting a 503 on my heavier cage airplane with the man who actually
designed and engineered the Firefly... He clearly thinks it is not a
good idea to overstress the structure with the heavier engine, even with
my special-order .035 cage structure. I consider this individual to be
highly competent
and I know for a fact that at Kolb he put a lot of quality engineering and
stress analysis into designing the Firefly cage... remember, the use of
the 447 on a legal UL was a big deal back then...It was considered a BIG
engine for this size and weight airplane. As I recall, this was the first
447 powered design to meet the part 103 requirements.
Anyway, bottom line in all of this is that it might be worth thinking about
the ramifications of a 503 on a stock Fly cage...could be a good idea to
watch it closely for
cracks and deformed structure. And it might also be worth checking on the
issue
of the extra weight of the 503 up there behind
your head on that light .028 structure if you should commit a sudden
stoppage... of the airplane, not the engine... keeping that Rotax off the
back of your neck is the cage's job...skinny cage might just do a skinny
job...
There are some knowledgeable gents on this List who know a lot more about
this
matter than I, sir... and there is most certainly some considerable
expertise at the Kolb
Works on the questions about hanging the bigger motor on it... If nothing
else, the
factory can likely tell you what wall thickness the tubing in your
particular cage might
be if you tell 'em the serial number... Might not be a problem at all... but
phone calls
are cheap and they just might have some insight into this particular
issue... Just a thought...
You mentioned props... the stock Firefly prop size in an IVO 2 blade was
66 inches on the 447 ... gave a little over an inch clearance on the
boom... gearbox up.
Good luck, Sir... Be advised that my advice is worth what ye paid fer it....
Beauford, the Aluminum Butcher of Brandon FL
FF #076
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Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: New Kolb owner
Kolb-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Sorry for the long story, but I hope some will find it entertaining. It
is mostly included for background and the amusement of others, but I have
a few questions at the end. Thanks in advance.
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Jim
N. Idaho
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| Subject: | Re: Ten Rib FireStar |
WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/3/2006 6:02:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tkrolfe@usadatanet.net writes:
>
> Willie my friend who you met at Homer's along with Earl Zimmerman
> who you also met there, led me down there to their fly-in this year.
>
> Hi Terry,
>
> Good to hear from you. Is Willie the Candy Man? If so, then I know
> who he is. And I know who Earl is.
>
> Massey Airfield has an 'Open Hangar Day' scheduled for Sunday,
> December 3, 2006. From 1:00 to 5:00 PM.
>
> If the weather is good, maybe I'll go. But I cannot stand the cold
> anymore. Too soon oldt, too late smart.
>
> Bill Varnes
> Original Kolb FireStar
> Audubon NJ
> Do Not Archive
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>
Roger on that, Willie is the "Candy Man". Where did you learn the
Pennsylvania Dutch?
Terry - FireFly #95
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Dig 2 holes in the dirt for the mains, make them deep enough to put the wing
at zero lift with the tailwheel on the ground.>>
Hi Larry,
I reckon you will have earth halfway up the cage before you get a zero AoA
with the tail on the ground. The plane probably won`t blow away though.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Kolb Training Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
I've got my eye on a used Kolb Mark III Xtra that I'm interested in buying.
Normally I'd just go look at the airplane, the owner and I would test fly
it, and if I liked it, I'd buy it. Unfortunately the owner of this Kolb
has lost his medical, and can no longer fly it (which is why he's selling
it). Very sad! Unfortunately I haven't yet been checked out in a Kolb, so
I can't just show up and fly it, either. And there's nobody local who can
act as a Kolb flight instructor for me. I'm currently taking some local
traildragger instruction in a Citabria, since I've never flown a
taildragger before, but I still need to be checked out in a Kolb Xtra, so I
can show up at the seller's door, ready to examine and fly his plane. And
hopefully buy it!
So my question is, where can I go to get checked out in a Kolb Mark III
Xtra? We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live. Would
it be best to go back to the factory, in Kentucky? Does the factory do
this sort of thing? Or is there somebody who would like to give me a
checkout in a Kolb Xtra? For pay, of course! And I can travel for the
instruction.
Thanks for any suggestions!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Aha! A new use for my backhoe. Dig a big hole, bury the Kolb for the
winter.
I worry now about the structural integrity of my old airplane shed
(hangar would be
pretentious). The wings are in there for the winter, wrapped in an old
pool cover.
The plane is back in the subterranean shop. To compensate for excess
snow load
I prop up the center of the front beam with a jackscrew pipe. I also
have a steel
cable running in a V from the center to the top outer posts.
Worked for over 30 years but nothing is forever.
hunkered down BB
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On 4, Nov 2006, at 2:16 PM, pat ladd wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> Dig 2 holes in the dirt for the mains, make them deep enough to put
> the wing at zero lift with the tailwheel on the ground.>>
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> I reckon you will have earth halfway up the cage before you get a zero
> AoA with the tail on the ground. The plane probably won`t blow away
> though.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Training Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally@semo.net>
Since the Kolb qualifies for sport pilot, why was he taking medical. I guess
he could have been flying something else. A good reason not to take a
medical.
Jerry
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From: "Chris Wolf" <cwolf41@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Training Question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
>
>
> I've got my eye on a used Kolb Mark III Xtra that I'm interested in
> buying.
> Normally I'd just go look at the airplane, the owner and I would test fly
> it, and if I liked it, I'd buy it. Unfortunately the owner of this Kolb
> has lost his medical, and can no longer fly it (which is why he's selling
> it). Very sad! Unfortunately I haven't yet been checked out in a Kolb,
> so
> I can't just show up and fly it, either. And there's nobody local who can
> act as a Kolb flight instructor for me. I'm currently taking some local
> traildragger instruction in a Citabria, since I've never flown a
> taildragger before, but I still need to be checked out in a Kolb Xtra, so
> I
> can show up at the seller's door, ready to examine and fly his plane. And
> hopefully buy it!
>
> So my question is, where can I go to get checked out in a Kolb Mark III
> Xtra? We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live. Would
> it be best to go back to the factory, in Kentucky? Does the factory do
> this sort of thing? Or is there somebody who would like to give me a
> checkout in a Kolb Xtra? For pay, of course! And I can travel for the
> instruction.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!
>
> Chris Wolf
> cwolf41@comcast.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Training Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:02:41 -0600, Jerry wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally@semo.net>
>
>Since the Kolb qualifies for sport pilot, why was he taking medical. I guess
>he could have been flying something else. A good reason not to take a
>medical.
>Jerry
It's my understanding that his medical condition is serious enough to
preclude all flying. Tough break.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast.net
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Wolf" <cwolf41@comcast.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 1:26 PM
>Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Training Question
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Chris Wolf <cwolf41@comcast.net>
>>
>>
>> I've got my eye on a used Kolb Mark III Xtra that I'm interested in
>> buying.
>> Normally I'd just go look at the airplane, the owner and I would test fly
>> it, and if I liked it, I'd buy it. Unfortunately the owner of this Kolb
>> has lost his medical, and can no longer fly it (which is why he's selling
>> it). Very sad! Unfortunately I haven't yet been checked out in a Kolb,
>> so
>> I can't just show up and fly it, either. And there's nobody local who can
>> act as a Kolb flight instructor for me. I'm currently taking some local
>> traildragger instruction in a Citabria, since I've never flown a
>> taildragger before, but I still need to be checked out in a Kolb Xtra, so
>> I
>> can show up at the seller's door, ready to examine and fly his plane. And
>> hopefully buy it!
>>
>> So my question is, where can I go to get checked out in a Kolb Mark III
>> Xtra? We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live. Would
>> it be best to go back to the factory, in Kentucky? Does the factory do
>> this sort of thing? Or is there somebody who would like to give me a
>> checkout in a Kolb Xtra? For pay, of course! And I can travel for the
>> instruction.
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions!
>>
>> Chris Wolf
>> cwolf41@comcast.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
Several of my past planes (GA..ugh) have had to be tied out for
various times. One way to keep them from soloing has been to make,
outa scrap, some top-of-wing spoilers. They were anywhere from 2-4
in. high, and at least 4 ft long, cushioned on bottom with either
salvaged styrofoam, old pcs of carpet, or under-carpet padding. They
were mounted about over the main spar, and held on with long bungees
that looped around chord-wise. A better way of mounting: make a thin
"hook" outa either scrap plywood or something flexible, that goes
from the spoiler forward and around the LE. A little thought and some
scrap (love that word) will yield a thing that will kill lift. Never
tried it on hor. stabs., but should work there.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Ten Rib FireStar |
In a message dated 11/4/2006 1:14:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tkrolfe@usadatanet.net writes:
Where did you learn the Pennsylvania Dutch?
Hi Terry,
Well, I used to live in Cochranville, PA. Born and raised on a farm. Had
relatives living in the heart of Amish country around the Bartville/Nine
Points area. I moved to NJ when the company I worked for moved there. Been here
42 years now. Wow! Doesn't seem that long. Now retired and I guess I'll
stay put. Have a 6 year old grandson close by.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
I've got a check ready to mail ....probly mail it on the way to work Monday morning....
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Good Job Matt...
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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I put my windshield on leaving the plastic on just pulling it back
on the edges to rivet it on. When I pulled the plastic off I had two
deep scratches on the in side right across the vision field. I bought a
scratch repair kit from Air craft spruce. Spent the next 14 hours
polishing the scratches out. They polished out and the Plexiglas was
clear if you looked at it from front. But get in side and look out every
thing was distorted & blurry. So after all that work I called Travis and
bought a new windshield and installed it last week end.The local glass
shop wanted $182 dollars for a half sheet of Lexan. The new Kolb only
charged me $60 Plus shipping. I spent that much on the polish kit.
I'm just waiting on my FAA reg papers to come back again they
rejected them the first time. Not a proper bill of sale. I'm still
having problems with the EIS & the fuel sender. Its going to take
someone smarter than me to figure it out.
Rick Pearce MK3 C future Amph
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I put my windshield on leaving the plastic on just pulling it back
on the edges to rivet it on. When I pulled the plastic off I had two
deep scratches on the in side right across the vision field. I bought a
scratch repair kit from Air craft spruce. Spent the next 14 hours
polishing the scratches out. They polished out and the Plexiglas was
clear if you looked at it from front. But get in side and look out every
thing was distorted & blurry. So after all that work I called Travis and
bought a new windshield and installed it last week end.The local glass
shop wanted $182 dollars for a half sheet of Lexan. The new Kolb only
charged me $60 Plus shipping. I spent that much on the polish kit.
I'm just waiting on my FAA reg papers to come back again they
rejected them the first time. Not a proper bill of sale. I'm still
having problems with the EIS & the fuel sender. Its going to take
someone smarter than me to figure it out.
Rick Pearce MK3 C future Amph
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