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0. 12:12 AM - If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) (Matt Dralle)
1. 09:28 PM - Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... (Matt Dralle)
2. 01:58 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (APilot@webtv.net)
3. 02:15 AM - Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (APilot@webtv.net)
4. 05:18 AM - Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (robert bean)
5. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (Jack B. Hart)
6. 07:50 AM - Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
7. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (John Hauck)
8. 12:12 PM - ELSA inspection requirements. (Gray, Mark)
9. 12:23 PM - Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) (BOB BROCKMAN)
10. 12:41 PM - Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) (BOB BROCKMAN)
11. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: New Kolb owner (Jim Dunn)
12. 01:12 PM - UltraStar Value? (roger anderson)
13. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (pat ladd)
14. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (Richard Pike)
15. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (pat ladd)
16. 02:42 PM - Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (pat ladd)
17. 02:46 PM - carburetor ice question (Arksey@aol.com)
18. 02:52 PM - test (Jim Baker)
19. 03:08 PM - Re: test (Bob Noyer)
20. 03:21 PM - Re: UltraStar Value? (planecrazzzy)
21. 03:27 PM - Re: carburetor ice question (planecrazzzy)
22. 03:36 PM - Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (David Key)
23. 03:47 PM - Re: FIRESTAR II CHECK LISTS (HShack@aol.com)
24. 03:56 PM - ELSA inspection (Lanny Fetterman)
25. 04:38 PM - Re: UltraStar Value? (John Hauck)
26. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (John Hauck)
27. 04:57 PM - Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (Larry Cottrell)
28. 05:46 PM - Re: FIRESTAR II CHECK LISTS (J carter)
29. 05:54 PM - Ray Anderson (John Hauck)
30. 06:15 PM - Re: UltraStar Value? (Bob Noyer)
31. 06:15 PM - Re: Ray Anderson (Bob Dalton)
32. 06:45 PM - Re: Ray Anderson (Bob Noyer)
33. 08:09 PM - Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (Larry Bourne)
34. 08:09 PM - Re: Ray Anderson (Richard Pike)
35. 08:41 PM - Re: Ray Anderson (David Lehman)
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| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like
funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively
sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to
implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such
a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept
putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put
the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of your
individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables
me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site
like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection
and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running
and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... |
Dear Listers,
A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution
this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday.
I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically
as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics
List subscription.
If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are
subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell
that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address
instead of the List email.
I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy
way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is
ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the
same. Otherwise, everything works great.
If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't
match, please drop me an email at " info@matronics.com " (do not reply to this
message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually
update the records so that things will work as advertised.
Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-)
To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administration
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
Glide ratio of 5 or 6 to 1. That is not much, but I think that it is
about right. My Mark III Classic is a dream to fly, but it does not
glide as well as the PA-11 Cub Special that I use to have. I have
actually soared with the prop stopped in the Cub. I have tried my
Classic, but no luck yet. In a couple months, I will be adding some
Kasper like tips on the bow of the wing. Same Kasper formula (2 chord
thicknesses high and 1/2 chord below). They will be about 3 to 4 feet
long from the aft edge of the aileron forward set at 7 degree in and 30
degrees from the vertical. They will, hopefully, give more dihedral
effect so as to turn better with rudder only, a more progressive stall,
slightly better rate of climb, a slower stall speed and more adverse yaw
for more rudder control in crosswind landings. These types of tips only
slightly reduce the cruise speed because the overall angle of attack
(i.e. induced drag) is reduced due to the added lift of the tips. It
may be a waste of time and some money, but will try it anyway. They are
made of 1/16" lexan with some stiffners here and there. Question: Has
anyone measured the stopped prop glide ratio accurately? It is kind of
hard to do.
By the way, if these tips do work, I will remake them correctly out of
fiberglass so that they will be stiff and have an airfoil on the inside.
Having the airfoil make them much more efficient. Vic in
Sacramento
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| Subject: | Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
Glide ratio: I think that it would be fun to match an Ercoupe and a
Mark III Classic side by side at 1000 feet and let them glide in dead
stick on a wide runway. They only thing for sure is that the Ercoupe
would get there first, but I bet that the touchdown spot would be about
the same.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
In the same category would be the Colt, TriPacer and the short wing
Citabria.
An engine out in a Pitts will get your attention too.
BB do not archive
On 8, Nov 2006, at 5:14 AM, APilot@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Glide ratio: I think that it would be fun to match an Ercoupe and a
> Mark III Classic side by side at 1000 feet and let them glide in dead
> stick on a wide runway. They only thing for sure is that the Ercoupe
> would get there first, but I bet that the touchdown spot would be about
> the same.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
At 01:58 AM 11/8/06 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Question: Has anyone measured the stopped prop glide ratio accurately?
>It is kind of hard to do.
>
Vic,
On the 144th flight the 447 seized up on climb out at 1,500 feet agl. I was
able to spin the FireFly around and head back and land in a bean field with
the rows. I was about 100 yards from the take off point. I had a little
tail wind and I estimated that the glide ratio came out close to six to
one.
For light wing loading, I believe for the glide ratio is heavily dependent
upon air temp/air density. I try to be consistent on my landing approaches.
I have no trouble getting the FireFly down on hot summer days, but now that
Fall is here and the air is much cooler and less moist, it is much more
difficult to get the FireFly down.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
Chris/All
I had a engine out two years ago in my VW powered MKIIIc. I had just
dropped down to duck under the air space I fly under to get to my strip.
I was around 700 ft AGL when the redrive cracked allowing the drive
belts to fall off. I didn't check my glide ratio but it was a whole lot
better than a brick. In fact I had to use flaps to get to a safe landing
spot where I landed without even scratching or flipping my plane in that
bean field.
I would think the glide ratio is a important safety issue but somewhere
after a safe reliable airframe and engine. When the chips are down after
the engine stops I would be more concerned with a low stall speed. I
understand that any additional glide ratio would have made your crash a
non event and I truly feel for you and everyone involved. Statistically
you could have been further away from the airport where even a 1000 to
one glide ratio would not have helped. When it comes to a forced landing
my personal concerns are low landing or crash speeds then protective
structure. Forgive my extremes but a Boeing 737 has a fairly good glide
ratio but its stall speed and protective structure would leave me
wanting better in a off airport landing. I have heard of a Kolb
landing/crashing into a woods where the pilot only sprained a ankle
while climbing down from the top of the tree. There are slower stalling
planes but what would I have to give up? For my money you can't beat a
Kolb.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: chris davis
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED)
HeyKolbers ever had an engine out?I built a 1990 KXP with a 503 flew
it for 10 years and had two engine outs, fortunately both in the pattern
she glided wonderfully I wished I had dive brakes so I could get her
down she floated nearly the lengh of the 1500 ft field but a mk III AT
gross weight I saw one come down and all it did was wipe out its gear
but Norm and I came down fast and hard hes dead,.Im building a . rest
his soul and when I get out of my wheel chair I'm going to build a
XENOS motorglider 24to 1 and a cruise speed of 120 knots.I'm building a
hanger shop this winter,in my wheelchair and my deposit to SONEX it soon
on its way! Don't get me wrong I still love KOLBS and you guys but that
glide ratio Question just got me started ,sorry oh by the way I have a
private glider license and had to learn alot about glide ratio to get it
,Chris Davis
David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net> wrote:
You're correct Reverend, it's called inertia...
DVD
do not archive
On 11/7/06, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
<richard@bcchapel.org >
Glide ratio is not always what you might expect. Perhaps you
remember the
DC-9 crash at New Hope, Ga. about 25 years ago, it went through a
hail storm
and flamed out, crashed on a dirt road and hit a gas station. Very
Bad
Scene.
A couple weeks later, was talking to a DC-9 driver for Southern,
(I was
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
I had a little
| tail wind and I estimated that the glide ratio came out close to six
to
| one.
|
Morning Folks:
I have no idea what the glide ratio of my mkIII or any of the other
Kolb aircraft is.
More important may be the ability to judge where the aircraft will
touch down. A simple way to do this is pick a point on the ground and
a point on the windshield. Keeping the aircraft in the same attitude,
if the point on the ground goes up the windshield, you will land
short. If the point on the ground goes down the windshield, you will
land long. If you keep that the point on the windshield and the point
on the ground on top of each other, you will touch down at that point.
Keep the points from seperating using pitch attitude. Of course, this
works power on or off.
That's how I do it, for what it is worth. ;-)
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | ELSA inspection requirements. |
Can anybody tell me what is required in the inspection. I have heard
that inspection ports must be in the wing. This is a major problem for
an existing covered wing. Some of you guys have already been through the
inspection, can you list out the things that are required for us ELSA
wannabe's.
Do not archive.
Mark Gray
MIchigan
Firestar II
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| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
Yes,
You can delete my name from this list too!
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution
>Yet! :-) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:11:45 -0800
>
>
>If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because
>you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the
>first PBS-like funds drive message under the new distribution system. The
>new system selectively sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those
>that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the
>continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you
>wish PBS worked that way? :-)
>
>You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support
>requests messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your
>personal email inbox! Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new
>feature. I've wanted to implement something like this for a number of
>years now, but it was always such a daunting task to modify the back-end
>List processing code, that I just kept putting it off. Finally this year,
>I just decided to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it to make
>it work. A few days later, bam! A working system!
>
>Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one
>of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support
>that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to
>run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade
>Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the
>computer gear running and the air conditioner powered up.
>
>Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers
>such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
>accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I
>can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent
>on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my
>Email List site. I'm pretty sure you don't either.
>
>If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics
>Email Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
>
>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>Thank you!
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
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| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
Plaese delete me from this list until further notice.
thanks,
bob brockman
>From: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle@msn.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A
>Contribution Yet! :-)
>Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:23:39 -0500
>
>
>Yes,
>You can delete my name from this list too!
>
>
>>From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kolb-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution
>>Yet! :-) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:11:45 -0800
>>
>>
>>If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because
>>you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the
>>first PBS-like funds drive message under the new distribution system. The
>>new system selectively sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those
>>that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the
>>continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you
>>wish PBS worked that way? :-)
>>
>>You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support
>>requests messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your
>>personal email inbox! Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new
>>feature. I've wanted to implement something like this for a number of
>>years now, but it was always such a daunting task to modify the back-end
>>List processing code, that I just kept putting it off. Finally this year,
>>I just decided to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it to
>>make it work. A few days later, bam! A working system!
>>
>>Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one
>>of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support
>>that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to
>>run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade
>>Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the
>>computer gear running and the air conditioner powered up.
>>
>>Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other
>>Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and
>>running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics
>>Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercialism
>>that is so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't
>>want to have it on my Email List site. I'm pretty sure you don't either.
>>
>>If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the
>>Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that
>>way!!
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>Thank you!
>>
>>Matt Dralle
>>Matronics Email List Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Kolb owner |
Thanks for your reply.
I live in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, but own a lot and have a hangar up at
Hackney Field (ID05) in Athol ID (about 12 nm N of KCOE, Coeur d'Alene
Airport and 1 mile NE of Silverwood theme park). Hackney is a grass strip
about 3500 feet long.
I would definitely like to connect, but I probably won't be making any
cross countries in my Firefly until it warms up in Spring (and I get more
confidence in it). You are welcome to drop by the field any time. If you
can give me some notice I can be up there to give you a tour. With the
colder weather and darkness, I'm generally only up there on weekends now,
Saturday and/or Sunday.
I ordered and received the Lord mounts from TNK and will be putting them
in. The previous owner did have some engine mount dampening, but I am
sure it wasn't as effective as the Lord mounts. He had the 503 raised up
so it will actually drop 1.5 inches or more when I move to the Lord
mounts. That is not a problem for prop clearance to the boom, but if it
goes any lower the wings won't fold so I will have to flip up the gearbox
at the same time. I am hoping I can do this by just removing 4 bolts on
the B-box, and rotating it 180 degrees without a whole bunch of time or
mess involved (leaving the prop on, etc.).
I expect I will be changing to a longer prop before much longer, but I
want to install the Lord mounts, rotate the gearbox, and get it flying
again for some performance testing before I decide for sure. I was going
to go with a 62" 3-bladed ground adjustable ivoprop, but it appears some
folks prefer the 2-bladed. Any comments or recommendations you have on
the subject would be welcome. If you know anyone with a prop for sale,
please let them/me know.
The 4 inches of clearance Ivo recommends is fore-and-aft clearance to
things like the wings and ailerons. This is because at some times the Ivo
will flex forward and back. Of course there is also prop movement up and
down, but this would be caused by the engine moving in it's flexible
mount. Some folks have only 1" clearance between the prop & boom. TNK
recommends 2". I believe 1.5" would be a minimum.
Did you know Powerfin is now in Spokane? I'm not sure when they moved,
but I don't think it was too long ago.
I will also do a weight and balance, but probablly not until next year
after I finish making the changes I need to make (Lord mounts, prop,
moving instruments, etc.)
See ya,
Jim Dunn
cell 509-220-6996
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I live here in Walla Walla WA and fly a Kolb Firestar II. What part of
> N. Idaho do you call home? I am not aware of many Kolb flyers in the area
> and would be happy to meet with you and help in any way I can. You are
> welcome to come by and check mine out if you like to try and answer any
> questions you might have.
>
> My Firestar has a Rotax 447 with the 2.58 to 1 B gearbox upright. I
> believe this is how they are meant to set up. It came with a 66"'x 30p
> Tennessee prop and flew well. I have since changed to a powerfin 62"
> composite two blade prop and gained a smoother and slightly better
> performance.
>
> I believe you will end up changing out the prop on your 503 due to it
> being undersize for your engine. I would seriously consider remounting
> the engine onto Lord mounts to prevent damage to your airframe before
> flying it further. The Lord mounts will also raise the engine about .75"
> which will help with the prop clearance over the tail boom
>
> A larger prop will definitely improve your climb rate over the cut down
> prop you have now.
>
> On mine at least I have about 2.75" of clearance between the propellor
> tips and the aileron tubes. With the IVO's I think the prop needs about
> 3" of clearance due to the blade flexing.
>
> I would also as a precaution do a compression test of your engine and make
> sure it is up to snuff. Starting fluid is BAD NEWS to 2 cycle high
> performance engines. If the engine doesnt start easily you are either
> doing something wrong or the engine is out of adjustment somehow.
>
> Most important is to run fresh fuel through your engine. Old fuel is
> almost as bad as starting fluid.
>
> You should do a weight and balance of the Firefly yourself to verify what
> the paper work is saying. It sounds a wee bit phat but you havent
> mentioned if you have electric starting or how much other stuff is
> actually on the plane. All those little accessories that people add to
> their planes can add lots of weight in a hurry.
>
> I hope this helps out. Feel free to email me if you have any questions or
> maybe want to get together sometime.
>
> Best Regards 8)
> Carlos Grageda
> AKA
> The BaronVonEvil
> grageda@innw.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72982#72982
>
>
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| Subject: | UltraStar Value? |
My Dad recently passed away. I need to sell his
UltraStar for my Mom. It was running good and last
flown several months ago. My Dad pruchased it from
the original owner and builder who had maintained it
well through the years. The condition is good and the
BRS chute was rebuilt 2 years ago. Does anyone have
just a ballpark figure as to what is a fair asking
price for it? Thanks. Roger Anderson, Murfreesboro,
TN.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
If you keep that the point on the windshield and the point on the ground on
top of each other, you will touch down at that point. >>
Hi John,
I am reluctant to take issue with someone as experienced as yourself but it
seems to me that if you are landing short and try to keep the spot on the
windscreen and the spot on the ground lined up you could end up in a stall
and in contrast if you are landing long you could finish up in a steep dive.
I am sure that is not what you meant but if a tyro tries it without
understanding the ramifications he could get himself into a lot of trouble.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
If you are anywhere close to a normal glide speed, and the spots are staying
lined up, you will not land either short or long, you arrive at the spot.
Perhaps after you figure in the flare and tocuhdown, you might add another
50 feet or so, but the basic concept remains unchanged, you arrive at the
intersect point, which is defined by looking at where the point on the
windscreen intercepts the point on the ground, and neither is moving up or
down.
By the same token, if you see another aircraft at your altitude, on an
intersecting course, and it is moving neither forward or back (or right or
left) relative to your position, you will hit it. Same principle.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> If you keep that the point on the windshield and the point on the ground
> on top of each other, you will touch down at that point. >>
>
> Hi John,
> I am reluctant to take issue with someone as experienced as yourself but
> it seems to me that if you are landing short and try to keep the spot on
> the windscreen and the spot on the ground lined up you could end up in a
> stall and in contrast if you are landing long you could finish up in a
> steep dive.
>
> I am sure that is not what you meant but if a tyro tries it without
> understanding the ramifications he could get himself into a lot of
> trouble.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
anywhere close to a normal glide speed, >>
Hi there,
I agree with that but with those words you have involved another factor in
the equation.
My point was that you can keep your eye, a spot on the screen and a spot on
the ground in line and either get slow and stall or get fast and dive in. If
you dont believe me you will find that you can draw a straight line at any
angle from horizontal to vertical and an inexperienced pilot reading Johns
post could find themselves in trouble.
Sure the system works OK but only if you monitor the speed which of course
an experienced pilot will do automatically He wasn`t the guy I was worried
about
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
They only thing for sure is that the Ercoupe would get there first, but I
bet that the touchdown spot would be about
> the same.>>
Hi there,
ask any glider pilot and he will tell you that there are two best gliding
speeds. One for distance and one for time. Going as far as possible and
staying airborne for as long as possible are not thesame thing.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | carburetor ice question |
Hello Group,
Has anyone had carburetor ice problems running a 503 rotax? I had to
land in a hayfield today, engine was running sporadic, pulled on some enricher
and that did not seem to help, could not reach to primer or i would have
tried that, kept loosing RPM, engine quit when I throttled back to land. After
landing I pulled engine thru and it was not seized up so i checked things
over, there seemed to be fuel in the carb. when I pumped the primer bulb so i
tried to start engine and it started ran ok and developed full RPM's I
checked the mags and took off as I was only about 1 mile from my strip. It ran
fine. However I now want to determine what was wrong...The condition's was
excellent for carb. icing, but I have not much time on 2 cycle engines and am
not
familiar with them as pertaining to carb. ice.
Thanks in advance for your imput....and by the way the Kolb handled a
wet hay field very good.
firestar ll 503 dual carb and ing.
jim swan MI
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X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41)
test
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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L & C
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: UltraStar Value? |
You really should tell the engine size....maybe the Hobbs reading....
Maybe instruments.... ( EIS ? )
a picture or two would help estimate it's value....
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: carburetor ice question |
I had the same thing happen with my 582 after take-off in my Powered Parachute....
My Dad told me ( later ) that I should have hit the primer...
Somebody's supposed to bring a fist full of cash and haul my PPC away today....
I'll finally have the room to start my next plane ( W-10 )
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
they call it minimum sink the other is called best glide, just like Vx and
Vy.
>From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED)
>Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:42:10 -0000
>
>
>They only thing for sure is that the Ercoupe would get there first, but I
>bet that the touchdown spot would be about
>>the same.>>
>
>Hi there,
>ask any glider pilot and he will tell you that there are two best gliding
>speeds. One for distance and one for time. Going as far as possible and
>staying airborne for as long as possible are not thesame thing.
>
>Cheers
>
>Pat
>
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| Subject: | Re: FIRESTAR II CHECK LISTS |
In preparation to get registered & licensed, can anyone on the list provide
the various check lists required for a Firestar II?
Any help appreciated.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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Hi Mark and all, I asked this question at the course I took this weekend.
The instructor said that you can`t inspect the inside of the wing if there
was no inspection access. His advice was to put an inspection plate next to
the strut mount. If I ever recover my FSII, I will do that, as for now I
trust my building skills and will leave things as they are.
Lanny N598LF do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: UltraStar Value? |
| UltraStar for my Mom.
Roger Anderson, Murfreesboro,
| TN.
Hi Gang:
I sent Roger a bc msg reference his Dad. Have not gotten an answer
yet. I asked him if his Dad was Ray Anderson. Had not heard anything
from Ray since about the first of July. At that time he posted a msg
that he was going to sell the Ultrastar because of serious health
problems. There were no later msgs from Ray in the archives.
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
ground on
| top of each other, you will touch down at that point. >>
|
| Hi John,
on the
| windscreen and the spot on the ground lined up you could end up in a
stall
| and in contrast if you are landing long you could finish up in a
steep dive.
|
| Pat
Hi Pat:
Sorry I confused you. My error.
Hopefully, no one will be dumb enough to hold the spot on the
windshield while stalling or on the other hand, diving into the
ground. I was assuming most folks knew to maintain proper airspeed
while gliding.
Take care, keep up your airspeed, and don't dive into the ground,
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
For what its worth, I cut the engine on my Firestar at 8000 feet msl,
established a speed of 45 mph, glided 6 miles to camp. Repeated the same
exercise using a GPS for both only this time I set the speed for 50, ended
up the same place within a 100 feet. The ground level was 3990, (Alvord
Desert)
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: FIRESTAR II CHECK LISTS |
There were some Firestar Check Lists put on the list,go back and get
them. Get the EAA Conversion to ELSP. There were 3 Inspections ports
installed in each wing for the Firestar (91) KXP and a Low point Drain
& filter installed. Get the Instructions from Kolb on doing the Weight &
Balance/ or should be in your builder Books. Its not real hard...My
Inspection went real well for N90485.Contact the person who will do the
inspection & what he expects. In My case I used the EAA guide for
paperwork & check list of steps. Hope that is some help. Jay Carter East
Liverpool Ohio --- If need additional E mail me. Original Message -----
From: HShack@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FIRESTAR II CHECK LISTS
In preparation to get registered & licensed, can anyone on the list
provide the various check lists required for a Firestar II?
Any help appreciated.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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Hi Gang:
Sad to report the loss of an old aviator/barn stormer, Ray Anderson.
I asked his son Roger if I could share his email to me with the Kolb
List. He responded that not only himself, but his brother and sister
would be honored to share the words about his father.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
| Hi John,
|
| Thank you so much for the kind words about my dad.
| Yes, I'm his number 1 son. He had experienced
| numerous skin cancers through the years but always
| managed to dodged the bullet somehow. However in
| August one finally developed into a terminal situation
| and began to spread. He died in a Nashville Hospice
| several days ago. But remember, the guy was 88 and
| living aviation and everything else to the fullest
| until just several months ago. Thanks for the Kolb
| info and also again for remembering my dad.
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: UltraStar Value? |
Friend John,
On 7/13/06 he sent a kolb msg abt value of a Ustar. My dumb server
cut the text, but i do recall selling was due to bad health..think he
was 88.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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Roger and Family,
Sorry to hear of your loss, I never met your Father but I am sure he was a
good man as most all the people I have had the pleasure to meet from this
list.
God Bless, Bob D.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Ray Anderson
Hi Gang:
Sad to report the loss of an old aviator/barn stormer, Ray Anderson.
I asked his son Roger if I could share his email to me with the Kolb
List. He responded that not only himself, but his brother and sister
would be honored to share the words about his father.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
| Hi John,
|
| Thank you so much for the kind words about my dad.
| Yes, I'm his number 1 son. He had experienced
| numerous skin cancers through the years but always
| managed to dodged the bullet somehow. However in
| August one finally developed into a terminal situation
| and began to spread. He died in a Nashville Hospice
| several days ago. But remember, the guy was 88 and
| living aviation and everything else to the fullest
| until just several months ago. Thanks for the Kolb
| info and also again for remembering my dad.
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Anderson |
Roger and family of Ray Anderson,
My most sincere condolences upon reading of the passing of my old
internet friend and another long time pilot and airman. Over the last
few years we have exchanged many messages, harking back to aviation
of more than sixty years ago, and our experiences then, and how
aviation had changed. A true Early Birdman. May his flight from pain
to peace be swift.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
OK, according to my calcy-lator, that works out to just under 8:1. And that
at a pretty good altitude. Pretty good - much better than I expected.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> For what its worth, I cut the engine on my Firestar at 8000 feet msl,
> established a speed of 45 mph, glided 6 miles to camp. Repeated the same
> exercise using a GPS for both only this time I set the speed for 50, ended
> up the same place within a 100 feet. The ground level was 3990, (Alvord
> Desert)
> Larry
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Anderson |
Something that probably a lot of you didn't know about Ray Anderson was that
he had also been an explorer on Mount Ararat.
Here is his web page of his search.
http://www.noahsarkfactnotfiction.com/
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Noyer" <a58r@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ray Anderson
>
> Roger and family of Ray Anderson,
>
> My most sincere condolences upon reading of the passing of my old
> internet friend and another long time pilot and airman. Over the last few
> years we have exchanged many messages, harking back to aviation of more
> than sixty years ago, and our experiences then, and how aviation had
> changed. A true Early Birdman. May his flight from pain to peace be
> swift.
>
> regards,
> Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Anderson |
Fascinating!...
Thanx...
DVD
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On 11/8/06, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
>
>
> Something that probably a lot of you didn't know about Ray Anderson was
> that
> he had also been an explorer on Mount Ararat.
> Here is his web page of his search.
> http://www.noahsarkfactnotfiction.com/
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
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