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0. 12:39 AM - WLAS [Please Read] (Matt Dralle)
1. 01:59 AM - Re: Fall Color From a Kolb (APilot@webtv.net)
2. 02:37 AM - Re: Fall Color From a Kolb (David Downey)
3. 03:42 AM - Re: Fall Color From a Kolb (Richard Pike)
4. 05:10 AM - Re: Fuel Tank... (David Lehman)
5. 05:12 AM - Re: Fall Color From a Kolb (David Lehman)
6. 05:27 AM - Re: Fall Color From a Kolb (Vic Peters)
7. 06:21 AM - Re: Fall Color From a Kolb (olendorf)
8. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (Denny Rowe)
9. 06:59 AM - Re: Fall Color From a Kolb (Jeremy Casey)
10. 07:16 AM - Re: Fall Color From a Kolb (John Williamson)
11. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (John Hauck)
12. 08:35 AM - Re: Fuel Tank... (George Thompson)
13. 08:44 AM - Re: Fuel Tank... (David Lehman)
14. 09:22 AM - thanks everyone for the pictures (Arksey@aol.com)
15. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (HShack@aol.com)
16. 10:12 AM - Re: Fall Color From a Kolb (George Alexander)
17. 10:35 AM - picture of fall color in michigan (Arksey@aol.com)
18. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (John Hauck)
19. 11:41 AM - Fw: KITPLANES Completions (John Hauck)
20. 12:35 PM - Re: Fw: KITPLANES Completions (Michael Sharp)
21. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (Jim Ballenger)
22. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (Richard Girard)
23. 02:20 PM - Re: Fw: KITPLANES Completions (John Hauck)
24. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (John Hauck)
25. 03:23 PM - Re: Fall Color From a Kolb (not) (Bob Noyer)
26. 03:28 PM - Re: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion (Richard Girard)
27. 04:31 PM - Az. Dave (George Thompson)
28. 04:43 PM - Re: Az. Dave (Larry Bourne)
29. 04:59 PM - Re: Az. Dave (kfackler)
30. 05:08 PM - Re: Az. Dave (David Lehman)
31. 05:12 PM - Re: Az. Dave (Bob Dalton)
32. 05:13 PM - Re: Az. Dave (John Hauck)
33. 05:37 PM - Re: Az. Dave (Bob Noyer)
34. 05:52 PM - Re: Az. Dave (Larry Cottrell)
35. 05:55 PM - Re: Az. Dave (Arksey@aol.com)
36. 06:00 PM - Re: Az. Dave (Ed Chmielewski)
37. 06:06 PM - Re: Az. Dave (George Thompson)
38. 06:21 PM - Need 503 help! (John Jung)
39. 06:30 PM - Re: Az. Dave (robert bean)
40. 06:31 PM - Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) (possums)
41. 06:32 PM - Re: Az. Dave (George Thompson)
42. 06:41 PM - Re: Need 503 help! (John Hauck)
43. 06:41 PM - Re: Az. Dave (jimhefner)
44. 07:29 PM - Vamoose (Larry Bourne)
45. 07:52 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 11/12/06 (Vic)
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| Subject: | WLAS [Please Read] |
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| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb |
Drifter are great, but what was wrong with the Hummer?
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| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb |
WOW!
At this point only 2 questions come to mind: How did you prevent fogging of the
screen? and How did you stay warm (or was it summer)?
John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
| Where's the mountains?... ;-)
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| DVD
DVD:
Here's a couple, but no Fall colors. Well.........actually, no trees.
john h
mkIII
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in SE PA
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| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb |
Maybe it's a weight thing. I had a Hummer for 12 years and put 550 hours on
it, it was a good little airplane. It was dependable and reliable, and had
fair control authority. Then I sold the Hummer, got the J-6, sold it, got
the MKIII. Years later, the Hummer showed up again, the guys who had
purchased it asked me to get it back in license. I did, and then flew it to
it's new home. Wow. Compared to the control authority of my MKIII, flying
the Hummer took on a sort of vagueness. Last year I got to fly an original
Firestar that was under 300 pounds, maybe even part 103 legal. It felt about
the same way. Flew a Drifter a couple years ago, it was like a big Hummer,
better control authority, more solid but similar, not as civilized as a
Kolb. Have several hours in an Aircam, it flies rock solid, and also feels a
lot heavier than a Kolb. If money is no object and the goal is a pure camera
platform, get an Aircam. If you want a camera platform that is practical and
pleasant to fly, get a MKIII and make two sets of doors, one set partially
cut away for taking pictures without reflections in them.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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----- Original Message -----
From: <APilot@webtv.net>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fall Color From a Kolb
>
> Drifter are great, but what was wrong with the Hummer?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank... |
I'll measure and check... It has to be a semi-triangular shape...
Thanx...
DVD
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On 11/12/06, jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> What's the max size you can handle (LxWxH) - a Challenger 10 gal tank
> might work?
> jerb
>
> At 12:04 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:
>
> Looking for ideas for an early Firestar large fuel tank... I have a 6
> gal. tank mounted forward of the engine (above the engine/wing mount tube)
> and I'd like to have another 10-12 gals. for the rare occasions that I'm a
> long way from a station... The area of the cage where the original tank
> resided is not shaped to install over-the-counter tanks, other than a 5-6
> gal.container...
>
>
> Thanx...
>
> DVD
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb |
John...
Those must be pictures of "North" Texas mountains... ;-)
Thanx...
DVD
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On 11/12/06, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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> DVD:
>
> Here's a couple, but no Fall colors. Well.........actually, no trees.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb |
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| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb |
OK, I want to play too. Here is Tomhannock reservoir near Albany, NY. There was
a flight of 4 A10's flying by. One of the rocked his wings so he must have
had radar lock on me. I grabbed a handful of chaff just in case. [Wink]
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Scott Olendorf
Schenectady, NY
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74149#74149
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
Looking forward to hearing the results.
Denny Rowe
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Bigelow" <up_country@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion
>
> I have the HKS mounted on the Firestar, and am working on hooking things
> up. The ignition modules and coils are mounted on the aircraft frame (not
> on the engine). There is also an oil tank and oil radiator to mount.
>
> The engine is beautifully engineered and looks right sitting there on the
> Firestar. The final gearbox will be the 2.58:1 B Box mounted down. The A
> Box (mounted up) in the pictures will be replaced. The thrust line is too
> high with that setup. I plan on using the same 66 inch two blade Powerfin
> prop that I used with the Rotax 503. Looks like the fuselage boom
> clearance will be about one inch.
>
> The engine had to be mounted forward enough so the exhaust manifold pipes
> clear the aileron torque tubes and control horn when folding and unfolding
> the wings. This will require a prop spacer to give adequate prop
> clearance from the aileron torque tubes when flying.
>
> Jerry Olenik from Green Sky Aviation has been working closely with me
> throughout this project. He plans on offering a mounting kit for the
> Firestar after we finalize the installation and do the test flights.
>
> I'm hoping to test fly it shortly after the first of the year.
>
> --------
> Dave Bigelow
> Kamuela, Hawaii
> FS2, HKS 700E
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73993#73993
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_hks_wingfold_clearance_856.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_hks_mounts_118.jpg
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Fall Color From a Kolb |
<snip>
Take a look at the Maxair Drifter and the Air Cam.
There's a reason they are the "camera platforms" of
choice for National Geographic photographers -
unlimited visibility for 180 around you and nothing
whatsoever above you. Take off the nosepod and there's
not much in front or below you either!! :>)
An unabashed Drifter fan -
Arty Trost
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<snip>
"The bench will allow the statement to stand. Jurors, please be advised
the court is not validating the statement as such as just allowing it to
be stated for the record. Council will refrain from any further
outburst and shall not assume any further leniency from the court will
be given!!!
A big ;-)
Flying buddy flew a 912 powered Drifter with no windshield and no nose
pod...full throttle climbs were "exciting" I believe was his
statement...seem to remember a sedative having to be administered
after...
Jeremy Casey
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| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb |
Well, the original post got several Kolbers to post some photos of color. But where
are the photos from the rest of you fliers?
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
| > I'm hoping to test fly it shortly after the first of the year.
| >
| > --------
| > Dave Bigelow
Dave:
Rather than place all your test results on one prop, coordination with
Daryl at Warp Drive might get you some different props to test with
the HKS and the FSII.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank... |
For what it's worth. I put a Titan Tornado 10 gal tank in my Firstar. I
had to cut one of the diagonal braces just behind the seat to get it in.
I then sleeved the tube and put it back in it's original place. The tank
sits on the boom tube just behind the seat. Seems like I gave about $60
for it. Also plumbed to draw fuel from the top. I don't believe in
poking holes in the bottom of fuel tanks. It is not a question of if it
will leak, but when.
Az. Bald Eagle
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lehman
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Tank...
I'll measure and check... It has to be a semi-triangular shape...
Thanx...
DVD
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On 11/12/06, jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> wrote:
What's the max size you can handle (LxWxH) - a Challenger 10 gal
tank might work?
jerb
At 12:04 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:
Looking for ideas for an early Firestar large fuel tank... I
have a 6 gal. tank mounted forward of the engine (above the engine/wing
mount tube) and I'd like to have another 10-12 gals. for the rare
occasions that I'm a long way from a station... The area of the cage
where the original tank resided is not shaped to install
over-the-counter tanks, other than a 5-6 gal.container...
Thanx...
DVD
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11/12/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank... |
Thanx George...
DVD
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On 11/13/06, George Thompson <eagle1@commspeed.net> wrote:
>
> For what it's worth. I put a Titan Tornado 10 gal tank in my Firstar. I
> had to cut one of the diagonal braces just behind the seat to get it in. I
> then sleeved the tube and put it back in it's original place. The tank sits
> on the boom tube just behind the seat. Seems like I gave about $60 for it.
> Also plumbed to draw fuel from the top. I don't believe in poking holes in
> the bottom of fuel tanks. It is not a question of if it will leak, but when.
>
> Az. Bald Eagle
>
>
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| Subject: | thanks everyone for the pictures |
Hello gang,
always interesting to look at others pictures....John H you were
flying over some hostile country for a forced landing but sure scenic .
I have come to the conclusion that my hay field landing was due to
carburetor ice...I intend to look into the electric kit for the carbs. is
anyone running them? I have the plane in the trailer and will head for Florida
in about a week...will report on how it goes.
jim Swan Firestar ll 503 michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
In a message dated 11/13/2006 10:31:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
Dave:
Rather than place all your test results on one prop, coordination with
Daryl at Warp Drive might get you some different props to test with
the HKS and the FSII.
john h
mkIII
Since he will run a "B" box, maybe a Warp Drive will be too heavy?
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb |
John Williamson wrote:
> Well, the original post got several Kolbers to post some photos of color. But
where are the photos from the rest of you fliers?
No mountains but plenty of color in FL in the Fall. [Wink]
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George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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| Subject: | picture of fall color in michigan |
I took a few pictures this fall from the firestar, color was not super this
year. This picture is what you see approaching my landing strip from East to
West, runway is the green strip in the top area with a corn field on the
right. Yes the Kolb is a excellent plane to take pictures from.
Jim Swan Firestar ll 503 Mi
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
|
| Howard Shackleford
Shack:
I don't know. Does the HKS, in fact, use a Rotax B gearbox?
I have very little, zero, knowledge of the HKS.
My concern is to give the engine a fair shake on the FSII. Running
one prop, which I also know nothing about, IMHO, would not be a fair
test.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Fw: KITPLANES Completions |
Hi Gang:
Travis asked me to send the following email from Kit Planes reference
their Completions column each month. If you have completed your
airplane, get a picture and description of it in Kit Planes which is
an International Mag.
Thanks,
john h
mkIII
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| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Julia Downie" <downie@djdownie.com>
| To: <sales@tnkolbaircraft.com>
| Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:56 PM
| Subject: KITPLANES Completions
|
|
| > Dear Aircraft Designer/Manufacturer:
| >
| > Wouldn't you love to see your company's aircraft published in
KITPLANES
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| > Thanks for helping us feature your customers' homebuilts in
KITPLANES
| > magazine.
| >
| > Happy landings,
| > The KITPLANES Staff
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Many companies offer an incentive ranging from T-shirt and cap to
$100
| > cash
| > or credit for each submission we publish. Be sure to remind your
builders
I know Sonex gives out a cap for submission to either EAA or Kitplanes... Does
TNK have an offer???
Just wondering....
Do Not Acrhive
Mike
John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Gang:
Travis asked me to send the following email from Kit Planes reference
their Completions column each month. If you have completed your
airplane, get a picture and description of it in Kit Planes which is
an International Mag.
Thanks,
john h
mkIII
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Julia Downie"
| To:
| Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:56 PM
| Subject: KITPLANES Completions
|
|
| > Dear Aircraft Designer/Manufacturer:
| >
| > Wouldn't you love to see your company's aircraft published in
KITPLANES
| > magazine at no cost to you? Make it happen by urging your
customers to
| > submit their story and photo to us for "Completions"-the most
popular
| > feature in the magazine showing (your customer's) new homebuilt.
We do our
| > best to publish every item submitted for this section, generally
in the
| > order in which the submission was received.
| >
| > Each submission should include:
| >
| > A brief (200 words maximum) description of the completed
homebuilt that
| > has already been flown. Have your builders include details on
| > construction,
| > the panel, interior and any unique features.
| >
| > Digital images are preferable as long as they are high
resolution.
| > (900x1500 pixels minimum; that highest output from a 2-megapixel
camera
| > will
| > do it.) Images should be sent in .JPG form but .TIF or .EPS are
| > acceptable.
| >
| > All materials can be sent by e-mail to completions@kitplanes.com
| > Please
| > ask the builder to indicate whether we may publish his or her
street
| > address
| > and/or e-mail address in case other builders would like to contact
them.
| >
| > Many companies offer an incentive ranging from T-shirt and cap to
$100
| > cash
| > or credit for each submission we publish. Be sure to remind your
builders
| > often and list the criteria (or a link to our site:
| > http://www.kitplanes.com/hobby/completions.html
| > in your newsletter, on your web site, in newsgroups, etc.
| >
| > Thanks for helping us feature your customers' homebuilts in
KITPLANES
| > magazine.
| >
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
Dave
I think you have a great combination of plane and engine and I am very
interested in the outcome. Keep us posted.
Jim Ballenger
MK III X 912uls
Virginia Beach, VA
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Bigelow" <up_country@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion
>
> I have the HKS mounted on the Firestar, and am working on hooking things
> up. The ignition modules and coils are mounted on the aircraft frame (not
> on the engine). There is also an oil tank and oil radiator to mount.
>
> The engine is beautifully engineered and looks right sitting there on the
> Firestar. The final gearbox will be the 2.58:1 B Box mounted down. The A
> Box (mounted up) in the pictures will be replaced. The thrust line is too
> high with that setup. I plan on using the same 66 inch two blade Powerfin
> prop that I used with the Rotax 503. Looks like the fuselage boom
> clearance will be about one inch.
>
> The engine had to be mounted forward enough so the exhaust manifold pipes
> clear the aileron torque tubes and control horn when folding and unfolding
> the wings. This will require a prop spacer to give adequate prop
> clearance from the aileron torque tubes when flying.
>
> Jerry Olenik from Green Sky Aviation has been working closely with me
> throughout this project. He plans on offering a mounting kit for the
> Firestar after we finalize the installation and do the test flights.
>
> I'm hoping to test fly it shortly after the first of the year.
>
> --------
> Dave Bigelow
> Kamuela, Hawaii
> FS2, HKS 700E
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73993#73993
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_hks_wingfold_clearance_856.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_hks_mounts_118.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
John, HKS specs their 2.58 box for the same inertia limits as the Rotax B,
3000kg/cm^2. The 3.47 box is rated the same as the Rotax C and E,
6000kg/cm^2.
At the flex wing and powered parachute LSA repairman classes I was at last
week we did an inertia check on a 68 X 40 Tennessee Props wood two blade.
According to the charts published by CPS, it was right at the upper limit
for the Rotax B.
Rick
On 11/13/06, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Shack:
>
> I don't know. Does the HKS, in fact, use a Rotax B gearbox?
>
> I have very little, zero, knowledge of the HKS.
>
> My concern is to give the engine a fair shake on the FSII. Running
> one prop, which I also know nothing about, IMHO, would not be a fair
> test.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: KITPLANES Completions |
Kitplanes... Does TNK have an offer???
|
| Just wondering....
|
| Do Not Acrhive
| Mike
Mike:
I don't know, but sounds like a good idea.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
limit
| for the Rotax B.
|
| Rick
Rick:
That is not much capability.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb (not) |
Old pix of northern Shenandoah Valley...same every year, though.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
Yeah, I know. I just got an HKS on a Northwing trike, but I got the
3.47box. The trike came with a medium three blade Ivo and I'm going to
be real
surprised if the moment of inertia falls within that 6000kg cm^2 limit. If
it doesn't, I guess I can try it as a two blade.
Rick
On 11/13/06, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> limit
>
> Rick:
>
> That is not much capability.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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Dave was killed this morning when his Kolb went down with another man.
Both were killed instantly. Many of the Kolb flyers on this list knew
him and his wife Eve from M V.
It would be nice if you could send condolences to his wife.
Mrs. Eve Pelletier
1134 Fair St.
Prescott, Az. 86305
Az. Bald Eagle
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What do you say ?? Dave's one of the nicer guys around. Ah, George,
I'm so very sorry to hear this. Have you heard how it happened ??
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: George Thompson
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Az. Dave
Dave was killed this morning when his Kolb went down with another man.
Both were killed instantly. Many of the Kolb flyers on this list knew
him and his wife Eve from M V.
It would be nice if you could send condolences to his wife.
Mrs. Eve Pelletier
1134 Fair St.
Prescott, Az. 86305
Az. Bald Eagle
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What a tragedy! Dave was one of the nicest members of this group. A
couple of years ago when I temporarily lost the use of my right eye,
David went to great links to provide support and encouragement. Had it
not been for him, I might have given up flying altogether. He will be
sorely missed. My prayers will be with Eve.
GEORGE: Is it possible you could arrange for flowers at the funeral on
behalf of this group? I would certainly be willing to contribute toward
such.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Az. Dave
Dave was killed this morning when his Kolb went down with another man.
Both were killed instantly.
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Here's more information, so sad...
*11/13/2006 5:37:00 PM * *Email this
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* *Two people die in light aircraft crash near Paulden *
*Accident is third area plane crash in 10 weeks*
*By MIRSADA BURIC*
The Daily Courier
PRESCOTT - A Prescott pilot and a passenger died Monday morning when an
experimental/light sport aircraft crashed near Pilots Rest Airstrip in
Paulden, about five miles west of Highway 89.
David Arthur Pelletier, 68, and his passenger Michael Francis Maikowski, 54
,
of Kent, Wash., didn't show any signs of life when first responders arrived
.
A Falcon Way resident called 911 at 10:27 a.m. to report the crash after sh
e
and her husband saw the Kolb MK3 wreckage in their driveway.
Sally Strickland-McAleenan and Ken McAleenan said they didn't see the actua
l
crash, but they heard a loud noise.
After Strickland-McAleenan reported the crash, she rushed to help the
victims.
"There was absolutely no life in there," she said. "It is so sad."
She remained on the scene until the first Chino Valley Fire engine arrived,
she said.
A couple of other witnesses were in the area, she said, and they told her
that they saw the plane flying northwest toward nearby mountains, and as it
made a turn it dove into the ground.
Strickland-McAleenan said she and her husband were familiar with the
aircraft because Pelletier often flew in the area.
According to Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor, the
aircraft took off from the airstrip branching off Falcon Way.
Strickland-McAleenan said, "This is a grandfathered airstrip. It has been
there since the World War II" when the military used it to practice touch
and go landings and take-offs, she said. "Most of the people like the
airstrip and use it quite often."
As he watched authorities remove the bodies from the wreckage, Paulden
resident Ron Stoks said, "It looks like a hard hit."
Stoks heard of the crash from a friend and rushed to the scene to see it fo
r
himself. He said he knew Pelletier for 10 years.
"He just got a sport-pilot license," said Stoks, who also owns an
experimental aircraft. "He was flying a lot here. He had fun giving rides."
Because his friend was safety-minded, Stoks said, he wouldn't board the
plane if he thought that it had a mechanical problem.
A few days before the October air show at the Prescott Airport, Stoks said,
he and Pelletier flew in the DC3 with William "Billy" Friedman, a 40-year
pilot who died in the Oct. 18 plane crash that also killed four other peopl
e
on board.
Coincidently, Friedman saw the Sept. 2 plane crash that killed two adults
and a teenager near the Pi=F1on Oaks subdivision in Prescott.
The National Transportation Safety Board is still investigating the previou
s
two incidents.
Gregor said a Scottsdale-based FAA crew and NTSB will investigate this
incident also.
Contact the reporter at mburic@prescottaz.com
DVD
On 11/13/06, George Thompson <eagle1@commspeed.net> wrote:
>
> Dave was killed this morning when his Kolb went down with another man.
> Both were killed instantly. Many of the Kolb flyers on this list knew him
> and his wife Eve from M V.
> It would be nice if you could send condolences to his wife.
> Mrs. Eve Pelletier
> 1134 Fair St.
> Prescott, Az. 86305
>
> Az. Bald Eagle
>
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Eve, George and All
I am very sad to hear of this tragedy, as Ken and Larry have mentioned Dave
was just the nicest guy. My first year at MV Dave saw me sitting on the
sidelines just chomping at the bit to get my first ride in a Kolb. Dave ever
so smoothly mentioned to Boyd Young, how about taking this guy up and I was
airborne within minutes. Dave and Eve were just perfect for making us new
guys feel at home with everyone. Dave I will greatly miss you my friend and
Eve I am so sorry for your loss. Ken great idea for the flowers, I will
standby for further info.
Bob D.
Manteca, CA
_____
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kfackler
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Az. Dave
What a tragedy! Dave was one of the nicest members of this group. A couple
of years ago when I temporarily lost the use of my right eye, David went to
great links to provide support and encouragement. Had it not been for him, I
might have given up flying altogether. He will be sorely missed. My prayers
will be with Eve.
GEORGE: Is it possible you could arrange for flowers at the funeral on
behalf of this group? I would certainly be willing to contribute toward
such.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:eagle1@commspeed.net>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Az. Dave
Dave was killed this morning when his Kolb went down with another man. Both
were killed instantly.
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GEORGE: Is it possible you could arrange for flowers at the funeral
on behalf of this group? I would certainly be willing to contribute
toward such.
-Ken Fackler
Ken:
Excellent idea.
Count me in.
hauck's holler is a very sad place tonight. I lost a good buddy.
john h
mkIII
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I'm in...lemme know.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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Man this is terrible, count me in as well
Larry, Oregon
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Noyer
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Az. Dave
I'm in...lemme know.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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Ken,
count me in on flowers and let me know. I did not know Dave but sure
feel bad about losing a fellow Kolber.
Jim Swan firestar ll michigan
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This is just too sad! I always enjoyed his posts. My condolences to
his family and many friends.
Ed in JXN
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Larry, Of couce it is not official because the NTSB are going to
investigate it because he had just registered the Kolb as a sport
certified plane.They had been doing touch and go's all morning. I don't
know how big (heavy) the passenger was but it is my and most others that
he made a low level turn and just stalled and spun in. He only
had a 282 Rotax on it. It went in straight down. No chance for his
chute. Since he was in the pattern, I doubt that they were more
than4-500 feet high. our field is 4500 feet.
George
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bourne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Az. Dave
What do you say ?? Dave's one of the nicer guys around. Ah, George,
I'm so very sorry to hear this. Have you heard how it happened ??
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: George Thompson
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Az. Dave
Dave was killed this morning when his Kolb went down with another
man. Both were killed instantly. Many of the Kolb flyers on this list
knew him and his wife Eve from M V.
It would be nice if you could send condolences to his wife.
Mrs. Eve Pelletier
1134 Fair St.
Prescott, Az. 86305
Az. Bald Eagle
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Group,
Last Friday, I flew my Firestar for the first time since last spring. No problems
at all until I shut the engine off on the runway to get out and measure a short
landing. When I got back in the plane, it would not fire, not even once.
Today, I pulled the plugs out put them back in the caps, and cranked the engine
over while watching for spark. No spark on any of the 4 plugs. Next, I disconnected
both "kill" wires at the engine to isolate my wiring and switch. Still
no spark. I pulled the flywheel to inspect for damage underneath. Eveything looked
normal. I'm at a loss. I don't know what to do next. Ideas?
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74404#74404
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This is pretty harsh when one of our regular contributors gets done in.
The rest of you guys take care now.
BB
do not archive
On 13, Nov 2006, at 7:30 PM, George Thompson wrote:
> Dave was killed this morning when his Kolb went down with another man.
> Both were killed instantly. Many of the Kolb flyers on this list-knew
> him and his wife Eve from M V.
> --- It would be nice if you could send condolences to his wife.
> --------- Mrs. Eve Pelletier
> -------- 1134 Fair St.
> --------- Prescott, Az. 86305
> -
> Az. Bald Eagle
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
At 05:55 PM 11/7/2006, you wrote:
>You're correct Reverend, it's called inertia...
>
>DVD
>
>do not archive
That's why the put water in sail planes when they are competing.
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Eve says she does not want any more flowers. Dave's passion was Kids. He
was very much into the Young Eagles program.She requests that you make
all donations to the EAA Young Eagles Program in Dave's name. I will get
a phone number and E mail address tomorrow.Thanks for your concern.
Az. Bald Eagle
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lehman
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Az. Dave
Here's more information, so sad...
11/13/2006 5:37:00 PM Email this article - Print this article
Two people die in light aircraft crash near Paulden
Accident is third area plane crash in 10 weeks
By MIRSADA BURIC
The Daily Courier
PRESCOTT - A Prescott pilot and a passenger died Monday morning
when an experimental/light sport aircraft crashed near Pilots Rest
Airstrip in Paulden, about five miles west of Highway 89.
David Arthur Pelletier, 68, and his passenger Michael Francis
Maikowski, 54, of Kent, Wash., didn't show any signs of life when first
responders arrived.
A Falcon Way resident called 911 at 10:27 a.m. to report the
crash after she and her husband saw the Kolb MK3 wreckage in their
driveway.
Sally Strickland-McAleenan and Ken McAleenan said they didn't
see the actual crash, but they heard a loud noise.
After Strickland-McAleenan reported the crash, she rushed to
help the victims.
"There was absolutely no life in there," she said. "It is so
sad."
She remained on the scene until the first Chino Valley Fire
engine arrived, she said.
A couple of other witnesses were in the area, she said, and they
told her that they saw the plane flying northwest toward nearby
mountains, and as it made a turn it dove into the ground.
Strickland-McAleenan said she and her husband were familiar with
the aircraft because Pelletier often flew in the area.
According to Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian
Gregor, the aircraft took off from the airstrip branching off Falcon
Way.
Strickland-McAleenan said, "This is a grandfathered airstrip. It
has been there since the World War II" when the military used it to
practice touch and go landings and take-offs, she said. "Most of the
people like the airstrip and use it quite often."
As he watched authorities remove the bodies from the wreckage,
Paulden resident Ron Stoks said, "It looks like a hard hit."
Stoks heard of the crash from a friend and rushed to the scene
to see it for himself. He said he knew Pelletier for 10 years.
"He just got a sport-pilot license," said Stoks, who also owns
an experimental aircraft. "He was flying a lot here. He had fun giving
rides."
Because his friend was safety-minded, Stoks said, he wouldn't
board the plane if he thought that it had a mechanical problem.
A few days before the October air show at the Prescott Airport,
Stoks said, he and Pelletier flew in the DC3 with William "Billy"
Friedman, a 40-year pilot who died in the Oct. 18 plane crash that also
killed four other people on board.
Coincidently, Friedman saw the Sept. 2 plane crash that killed
two adults and a teenager near the Pi=F1on Oaks subdivision in Prescott.
The National Transportation Safety Board is still investigating
the previous two incidents.
Gregor said a Scottsdale-based FAA crew and NTSB will
investigate this incident also.
Contact the reporter at mburic@prescottaz.com
DVD
On 11/13/06, George Thompson <eagle1@commspeed.net> wrote:
Dave was killed this morning when his Kolb went down with another
man. Both were killed instantly. Many of the Kolb flyers on this list
knew him and his wife Eve from M V.
It would be nice if you could send condolences to his wife.
Mrs. Eve Pelletier
1134 Fair St.
Prescott, Az. 86305
Az. Bald Eagle
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| Subject: | Re: Need 503 help! |
Eveything looked normal. I'm at a loss. I don't know what to do next.
Ideas?
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| John Jung
JJ:
Get the Rotax book off the internet that has the procedure for
checking ignition modules, coils, alternator stator, etc.
Call Ronnie Smith at South Mississippi Light Aircraft and he can lead
you in the right direction. There is a pretty simple check list for
the 912 engines which use similar electrical/ign components, but
different values.
Personally, I hate electrical problems, engine and avionics.
john h
mkIII
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I am in shock and disbelief hearing the news of this tragedy this evening! Dave
was one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. He would go out of his way to
help anyone that need it. He even offered to drive down to Tucson from Prescott
with his BAMH and pull my trailer and plane to MV in 2004, the year of my
divorce when I didn't have a vehicle to pull it and he wasn't taking his plane
there that year. That was typical Dave and he was dead serious. He had a wonderful
sense of humor and really made an impression on my new wife and daughter
with his kidding and laughter. Our deepest sympathy and condolences to Eve.
Rest in peace my friend. You will be sorely missed by all that knew you!
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Jim Hefner
Kolbless in Tucson :(
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Too bad I didn't get around to saying this a day earlier.......
I pulled the ad for Vamoose off Barnstormers last week, and when I get
set up here in NM, I'll figure out a way to bring airplane and boat both
back to Santa Fe. Not quite sure what I'll do for an engine yet, but
that troublesome reduction drive is long ago in the trash, so's I can't
be tempted again.
Sorry, Dave - I wish you could've seen it fly. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 11/12/06 |
I have very sad news to report. Dave Pelletier, known as AZ Dave to the list
died in a plane crash this morning. Dave was a good friend and will be
missed by many people.
Vic Worthington
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