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0. 12:40 AM - List Value... (Matt Dralle)
1. 02:37 AM - Mark ll for sale (lndc)
2. 03:12 AM - Re: Re: Original FS Fuel Tank Upgrade (pat ladd)
3. 05:30 AM - John/Jim Hauck fuel tank design for a Mark III (John Bickham)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: Alvord Desert 2005 (John Hauck)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: John/Jim Hauck fuel tank design for a Mark III (pat ladd)
6. 09:10 AM - Dave's accident (George Thompson)
7. 09:39 AM - Re: Dave's accident (John Hauck)
8. 10:54 AM - Re: Dave's accident (Bob Noyer)
9. 11:34 AM - Re: Dave's accident (John Hauck)
10. 11:52 AM - Re: Dave's accident (Robert Laird)
11. 11:58 AM - Re: Dave's accident (George Thompson)
12. 12:02 PM - Re: Dave's accident (George Thompson)
13. 12:09 PM - Re: Dave's accident (John Hauck)
14. 12:09 PM - Re: Dave's accident (N27SB@aol.com)
15. 12:19 PM - Re: Dave's accident (John Hauck)
16. 12:30 PM - Re: Dave's accident (John Hauck)
17. 12:39 PM - Re: Dave's accident (David Lehman)
18. 01:03 PM - Re: Dave's accident (Robert Laird)
19. 01:03 PM - Re: Dave's accident (Bob Noyer)
20. 01:33 PM - Re: Dave's accident (George Thompson)
21. 01:44 PM - Re: Dave's accident (David Downey)
22. 01:55 PM - Re: Dave's accident (russ kinne)
23. 02:06 PM - Re: Dave's accident (Robert Mason)
24. 02:38 PM - Firestar Fuel Tank (Terry Davis)
25. 02:44 PM - Re: Dave's accident (John Hauck)
26. 02:50 PM - Re: Firestar Fuel Tank (David Lehman)
27. 03:33 PM - Re: Dave's accident (Robert Laird)
28. 03:34 PM - Re: Dave's accident (Robert Laird)
29. 04:58 PM - Pilot In Charge (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
30. 05:20 PM - Re: Pilot In Charge (Russ Kinne)
31. 05:25 PM - Re: Dave's accident (George Thompson)
32. 05:40 PM - Re: Dave's accident (David Key)
33. 05:53 PM - Re: Dave's accident (thumb)
34. 05:56 PM - Re: Need 503 help! (John Jung)
35. 06:43 PM - Re: Check out Low and slow - Google Video (WillUribe@aol.com)
36. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Need 503 help! (John Hauck)
37. 09:02 PM - Re: Dave's accident (Robert Laird)
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| Subject: | Mark ll for sale |
Hi, I talked to Alan Olson(Oly). His plane is for sale. Give him a call at (952)
892-0518 or mail at OLISFLYROD@aol.com I saw this plane a couple of years ago
and it was real nice. I'm sure not many more hrs have been put on it. He's always
working.
Dan Charter
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| Subject: | Re: Original FS Fuel Tank Upgrade |
my attempt at the John/Jim Hauck fuel tank design for a Mark III>>
thanks for the good clear pics. I assume that it is the black filler tube
showing at top right. Does it lead to somewhere else when the engine is
installed?. From the pic it looks as though it might be pretty difficult to
get at.
I think the change would bedifficult to do in the UK where we do not have
the leeway of your Experimental Category (yet).
What did it do to your C of G? It would seem that it must move backwards
quite a bit from the original configuration of tanks laying athwartships (as
it were) right at the front of the cage
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | John/Jim Hauck fuel tank design for a Mark III |
Started a new topic since original thread was for FS tanks.
Don't have answers to Pat Ladd's questions. Answers come with testing and actual
flight hours. Wonderful thing this "Experimental Category" here in the US.
I've owned a "certified" aircraft (C-172). A&P's are OK but can take the fun
out of flying real fast.
Here are my attempts to address the issues and questions.
I assume that it is the black filler tube
showing at top right. Does it lead to somewhere else when the engine is
installed?. From the pic it looks as though it might be pretty difficult to
get at.
I have a filler cap installed about midway on the right side of the gap seal.
That is why the filler neck is pointed rearward. Same as the old system I had.
No problem filling from the rear. Just take a few minutes to bladder drain
and walk around to minimize the exposure to the hot exhaust pipes of the 912.
They have a way of getting me just looking at the engine close. However, my new
gear legs and 8.00 tires will raise the height of the plane a good 10". Might
be a little more reach.
What did it do to your C of G? It would seem that it must move backwards
quite a bit from the original configuration of tanks laying athwartships (as
it were) right at the front of the cage
Won't have the answer to this one till I re-assemeble and do a new W&B at differnet
fuel levels. I did have some anxiety/concerns about this and one of the
reasons I didn't go to a bigger tank in the original build. But I have flown
with some of the more experienced XC Kolbers (best time I ever had) and they
have all installed similar and even bigger tanks with no adverse CG problems.
One thing I did do, was to weld a small tube brace at the rearward location
of the original tanks to move some of the load weight forward. Not an engineer
but should distribute some of the load off the rear tubes. See picture for
detail.
In my limited experience with planes everything is about arriving at the best compromise.
Strength of materials vs weight, good cruise speed vs low stall speed,
etc. You never get the perfect plane that has it all. You pick the options
that are important. This is my best attempt at a Mark III that is capable
of long XC's and have some decent space for gear storage. As pointed out and
demonstrated by John Hauck.
Hope this is helpful.
Sorry for the typos and spelling. Just off working dog shift.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C
"Using my Repairman Certificate"
St. Francisville, LA
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| Subject: | Re: Alvord Desert 2005 |
| absolutely fantastic!
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| Arty
Arty:
I liked that one also. In fact, made it my new wall paper. After the
bad news this week, that photo seemed to brighten up my days and
nights. For me, it really spells out what my kind of Kolb flying is
all about. We had a terrific time on the Alvord, May 2005.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: John/Jim Hauck fuel tank design for a Mark III |
re-assemeble and do a new W&B at differnet fuel levels>>
Should prove interesting. Thanks John.
I understand that Kolb are now shipping the Mark3 with a slightly taller
tank with but the same footprint. This will put the total fuel carried up a
bit, but I suspect not to the extent of your tank Might help someone who
does not want to cut the support tubes about.
Cheers
Pat
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Dear fellow Kolber's, I feel it is my duty to put out the correct
information as I know it from here.
A Fellow from Washing State contacted Dave on line wanting to know
if he could get some familiarizing time in a Kolb. It seems that he had
picked out one to buy in Calif. and the Guy told him to come on down and
fly it. ( It must have been a single place). This man told the Calif
man that he had no time in ultlalights and didn't feel comfortable
enough to try it. Dave told him to come on down and he would give him
some flights in his. This Guy had a private license. He flew down to
Phoenix and rented a car and drove up here to Prescott. Got in late
Sunday night and they went flying early Monday Morn. Neither Eve nor I
saw him.
Now, the people who live around the field (Some who are pilots)
say they heard them making 5 or 6 touch and goes that morning. Now
understand, This Guy came all the way down here to get some
familiarizing flights in this type of plane. It is my and most of our
ulralight Friends who knew Dave, Think this is what happened.
After making several trips around the patch, Dave would have said
"Do you want to take it around now"? There was a long take off run and
turn to cross wind, then on the turn to down wind the plane stalled made
a quarter turn to the right and went straight in from no more than 2-300
feet.
I talked to his Flight instructor who had just given him his
training for his Sport license and he told me that he stressed and
stressed departureHoward stalls. Therefore I am certain that Dave was
not at the controls at that time. Dave told me that he would not fly
from the right seat because he was not comfortable there. Because the
Kolb had duel controls, it doesn't matter which seat the man flying it
was in.
Don't know much about the other man. He was unmarried and had/was a
air controller from SeaTac In Tacoma Wa.
We are trying to have the memorial held at the Embry Riddle
Auditorium here for next Saturday, 25th. That's not for sure yet.
Eve had a firm date to have his remains interned in Arlington Nation
Cementary on December 22nd, his birthday. He was a retired Master Sgt.
in the Air force She requests family only.
No flowers, All donations are to go to the EAA Young Eagles Program
in Dave's Name. They said they would send acknowledgments to his Wife
Eve
Mrs. Dave Pelletier
1134 Fair St.
Prescott, Az. 86305
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
Don't know much about the other man. He was unmarried and
had/was a air controller from SeaTac In Tacoma Wa.
George:
By chance, was this the guy who used the handle on the Kolb List of
"Chris Wolf"? Wolf was looking for someone to give him some stick
time in a Kolb MKIII so he could test fly a MKIIIx that he was going
to look at to buy. There was correspondance to this effect a few days
prior to the accident.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
John,
this from newspaper "David Arthur Pelletier, 68, and his passenger
Michael Francis Maikowski, 54, of Kent, Wash., didn't show any signs
of life when first responders arrived."
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
| Michael Francis Maikowski, 54, of Kent, Wash., didn't show any signs
| of life when first responders arrived."
|
| regards,
| Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
Bob N:
Understand the above.
My question was the coincidence of "Cris Wolf" asking about a check
out in a MKIII to test a prospective buy a few days prior to Dave's
accident. If I remember correctly, he stated flying commercial to
another location would not be a problem.
Was Maikowski a member of the Kolb List?
Is Cris Wolf a online ID for Maikowski, or is Cris Wolf, on the Kolb
List, actually Cris Wolf.
Have not seen Cris Wolf post since the check ride request a few days
prior to the accident date.
Trying to tie some things together, in my mind, which is probably very
dangerous.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
When I did an Internet search for "Chris Wolf" using his email address, I
found a link to a page that had a link that said "Books by Chris Wolf"...
lo, and behold, when I click on that link, this is what I got (look at the
name on the book cover):
http://www.jeffcomp.com/index.html
-- Robert
On 11/17/06, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Bob N:
>
> Understand the above.
>
> My question was the coincidence of "Cris Wolf" asking about a check
> out in a MKIII to test a prospective buy a few days prior to Dave's
> accident. If I remember correctly, he stated flying commercial to
> another location would not be a problem.
>
> Was Maikowski a member of the Kolb List?
>
> Is Cris Wolf a online ID for Maikowski, or is Cris Wolf, on the Kolb
> List, actually Cris Wolf.
>
> Have not seen Cris Wolf post since the check ride request a few days
> prior to the accident date.
>
> Trying to tie some things together, in my mind, which is probably very
> dangerous.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
I don't know that, but I will try to find out.
George
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dave's accident
>
> Don't know much about the other man. He was unmarried and
> had/was a air controller from SeaTac In Tacoma Wa.
>
>
> George:
>
> By chance, was this the guy who used the handle on the Kolb List of
> "Chris Wolf"? Wolf was looking for someone to give him some stick
> time in a Kolb MKIII so he could test fly a MKIIIx that he was going
> to look at to buy. There was correspondance to this effect a few days
> prior to the accident.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
How can we find this out? Can anyone on this list find out?
George
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dave's accident
>
>
>
> Bob N:
>
> Understand the above.
>
> My question was the coincidence of "Cris Wolf" asking about a check
> out in a MKIII to test a prospective buy a few days prior to Dave's
> accident. If I remember correctly, he stated flying commercial to
> another location would not be a problem.
>
> Was Maikowski a member of the Kolb List?
>
> Is Cris Wolf a online ID for Maikowski, or is Cris Wolf, on the Kolb
> List, actually Cris Wolf.
>
> Have not seen Cris Wolf post since the check ride request a few days
> prior to the accident date.
>
> Trying to tie some things together, in my mind, which is probably very
> dangerous.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
| When I did an Internet search for "Chris Wolf" using his email
address, I
| found a link to a page that had a link that said "Books by Chris
Wolf"...
| lo, and behold, when I click on that link, this is what I got (look
at the
| name on the book cover):
|
| http://www.jeffcomp.com/index.html
|
|
| -- Robert
Robert:
Looks like we have our answer. Chris Wolf and Maikowski are one and
the same.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
John,
I agree, I thought the same thoughts. It would be nice to hear from Chris, He
appeared to be an avid and enthusiastic new member to our group.
HEY CHRIS, Speak up
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
and
| the same.
|
| john h
Gang:
Here's one of his (their) books that has both names on it:
http://jeffcomp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=100
Best I can figure they were the same guy.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
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|
http://jeffcomp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=100
|
| Best I can figure they were the same guy.
|
| john h
And..................
Here is the msg that sparked my interest in the two names:
"So my question is, where can I go to get checked out in a Kolb Mark
III
Xtra? We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live.
Would
it be best to go back to the factory, in Kentucky? Does the factory
do
this sort of thing? Or is there somebody who would like to give me a
checkout in a Kolb Xtra? For pay, of course! And I can travel for
the
instruction."
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
In message #45201, Chris said, "We don't seem to have any in the Seattle
area, where I live."...
DVD
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On 11/17/06, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> and
>
>
> Gang:
>
> Here's one of his (their) books that has both names on it:
>
> http://jeffcomp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=100
>
> Best I can figure they were the same guy.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
I've done a bit more searching...
There is a Chris Wolf in the Kent, WA directory, but I can't get a handle
on who he is, exactly, except for the reference to the book that seems to be
written by both....
...but there is a Michael Maikowski in the Seattle, WA directory. I found a
profile on Maikowski, as follows:
Current Employer: FAA
Previous Employers: Boeing
Interests: Private Pilot
High School: Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin
College: Purdue
Affiliations: Aircraft Owners & Pilots Assoc
I found a separate reference to Maikowski that was part of an article... it
said: "Our tour was led by Mike *Maikowski*, Air Traffic Controller, who
escorted us up 16 floors to the top." with reference to SeaTac ATC.
So, I'm convinced that Mike Maikowski is a real person who worked for the
FAA as an ATC... now, the Chris Wolf person may be a nom-de-plume for
Maikowski. I found a couple of references to discussion on Objectivism,
where Chris introduces Mike in a forum, so, they may be two different people
who know each other and have a common intellectual interest, or Maikowski
may be invented "Chris Wolf" to provide some appearance of independent
authentication for his ideas. Very hard to say FOR SURE at this point.
-- Robert
On 11/17/06, David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net> wrote:
>
> In message #45201, Chris said, "We don't seem to have any in the Seattle
> area, where I live."...
>
> DVD
>
> do not archive
>
>
> On 11/17/06, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > | Looks like we have our answer. Chris Wolf and Maikowski are one
> > and
> > | the same.
> > |
> > | john h
> >
> >
> > Gang:
> >
> > Here's one of his (their) books that has both names on it:
> >
> > http://jeffcomp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=100
> >
> > Best I can figure they were the same guy.
> >
> > john h
> > mkIII
> >
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
My apologies for putting my one-cent into this thread.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
That's very interesting. Thanks for checking it out. George
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dave's accident
>
> http://jeffcomp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=100
>
>
> And..................
>
> Here is the msg that sparked my interest in the two names:
>
> "So my question is, where can I go to get checked out in a Kolb Mark
> III
> Xtra? We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live.
> Would
> it be best to go back to the factory, in Kentucky? Does the factory
> do
> this sort of thing? Or is there somebody who would like to give me a
> checkout in a Kolb Xtra? For pay, of course! And I can travel for
> the
> instruction."
>
> Chris Wolf
> cwolf41(at)comcast.net
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
It seems that it would be quite adventuresome to be making pattern turns at relatively
high gross weight at 2-300 feet AGL altitude. IF something goes wrong
there is no time to react or salvage the situation...
Is that what I am hearing?
Thanks for being patient.
Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com> wrote:
I've done a bit more searching...
There is a Chris Wolf in the Kent, WA directory, but I can't get a handle on who
he is, exactly, except for the reference to the book that seems to be written
by both....
...but there is a Michael Maikowski in the Seattle, WA directory. I found a profile
on Maikowski, as follows:
Current Employer: FAA
Previous Employers: Boeing
Interests: Private Pilot
High School: Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin
College: Purdue
Affiliations: Aircraft Owners & Pilots Assoc
I found a separate reference to Maikowski that was part of an article... it said:
"Our tour was led by Mike Maikowski, Air Traffic Controller, who escorted us
up 16 floors to the top." with reference to SeaTac ATC.
So, I'm convinced that Mike Maikowski is a real person who worked for the FAA as
an ATC... now, the Chris Wolf person may be a nom-de-plume for Maikowski.
I found a couple of references to discussion on Objectivism, where Chris introduces
Mike in a forum, so, they may be two different people who know each other
and have a common intellectual interest, or Maikowski may be invented "Chris
Wolf" to provide some appearance of independent authentication for his ideas.
Very hard to say FOR SURE at this point.
-- Robert
On 11/17/06, David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net> wrote: In message #45201,
Chris said, "We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live."...
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| the same.
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| john h
Gang:
Here's one of his (their) books that has both names on it:
http://jeffcomp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=100
Best I can figure they were the same guy.
john h
mkIII
www.aeroelectric.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
Dave Downey
in SE PA
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
Makes me wonder why he used an alias? And under what circumstances he
left the SETAC Traffic-Control job.
I'm always suspicious when a passenger could have, or maybe did,
cause an accident.
Was there a parachute? I know perhaps it was too low to be fully
effective.
As I recall the plane that flew into the hi-rise in NYC had a chute,
but it was never pulled.
Russ K
On Nov 17, 2006, at 3:38 PM, David Lehman wrote:
> In message #45201, Chris said, "We don't seem to have any in the
> Seattle area, where I live."...
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> On 11/17/06, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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> and
>
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> Gang:
>
> Here's one of his (their) books that has both names on it:
>
> http://jeffcomp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?
> Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=100
>
> Best I can figure they were the same guy.
>
> john h
> mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
Chris Wolf and Mike Maikowski are separate people. They were very close
friends. Mike and Chris were in the process of purchasing my Kolb Mark
3X.
Robert Mason
--- John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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> | Looks like we have our answer. Chris Wolf and Maikowski are one
> and
>
>
> Gang:
>
> Here's one of his (their) books that has both names on it:
>
>
http://jeffcomp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=100
>
> Best I can figure they were the same guy.
>
> john h
> mkIII
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| Subject: | Firestar Fuel Tank |
With the posts lately about increased fuel and aluminum tanks I thought
I'd add my two cents worth.
A priority from the start of building my Firestar was to provide for
more and reliable fuel. I'm not much of a fan of plastic jugs either,
although their simplicity is a big advantage, I have to admit. Safety
in a crash and keeping fuel weight forward as far as possible were other
considerations. I ended up making the "bulkhead" at the end of the fuse
tube removable and mocking up a cardboard tank that held a little over
14 gallons that sat on the tube and fit the taper inside the cage.
The tank is cross baffled with a quick drain at the back of the sump to
drain water when parked and the finger strainer at the front which is
lowest when flying. If I was doing it again (and I might) I would shape
the tank sump somewhat differently and make the fuel inlet at the back
to get the last drops while climbing. I just never thought about it
until the tank was finished. A drawback of working alone I guess. As
it is, with a gallon in the tank it would take a fairly steep climb to
unport the inlet.
A word about welded tanks and sloshing. I was pretty proud of my tig
welding and thought I didn't need no "steenking" sloshing. Wrong! Long
(ugly) story short, when I put fuel (mix) in the tank to start the
engine break-in I started noticing "oily" spots on the tank. The gas
was seeping out, evaporating, and leaving the oil in about 3 places. We
all know that a drop of oil spreads out and looks like a gallon, well
there were a lot of drops. So I swallowed my pride, rinsed the tank,
etched it with Alumi-prep and sloshed it 3 times. No seeps now. I
think if you could get a certified welder from Boeing or space shuttle
work to weld the tank up it would probably be great, but for this normal
mortal, I'll use the slosh.
If Kolb made a high capacity plastic molded tank to fit our planes,
something with the fuel inlet out the bottom, I sure wouldn't have
bothered to make one but since they don't I'm pretty happy with this
one. Nothing like a little extra gas, unless the plane is on fire.
;-)
Terry Davis
N66TD
Firestar 1, 503 DCDI, BRS, Powerfin 3 bl.
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
close
| friends. Mike and Chris were in the process of purchasing my Kolb
Mark
| 3X.
| Robert Mason
Robert M:
Thanks for clearing that up for us.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Fuel Tank |
Thanx Terry...
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On 11/17/06, Terry Davis <davistcs@eoni.com> wrote:
>
> With the posts lately about increased fuel and aluminum tanks I thought
> I'd add my two cents worth.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
On 11/17/06, David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> It seems that it would be quite adventuresome to be making pattern turns
> at relatively high gross weight at 2-300 feet AGL altitude. IF something
> goes wrong there is no time to react or salvage the situation...
> Is that what I am hearing?
>
Maybe I got left out of something somewhere along the lines, but am I the
only person who flies the pattern at field altitude+1000 feet? Granted, I'm
doing descending turns for base and final, but my turn for final is between
600 and 800 feet.
It certainly doesn't sound like something an experienced Kolb pilot would be
doing.
-- Robert
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
Robert --
Then, my condolences to his friend, Chris. It's not a happy time for
anyone.
-- Robert
On 11/17/06, Robert Mason <masonclan@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> Chris Wolf and Mike Maikowski are separate people. They were very close
> friends. Mike and Chris were in the process of purchasing my Kolb Mark
> 3X.
> Robert Mason
>
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I'm truly saddened by Dave's death. I only talked to him a few times at
Monument Valley 2005 but he appeared to be a great guy.
None of us know what happened and we may never know but this may be a
good time to discuss pilot in charge procedures. When I first flew with
my basic training instructor he went over the basics. The drill was, I'm
the pilot, I will give you the controls by saying "your airplane" when I
need to take control I will say "my airplane" and you will immediately
take your hands off the controls. When you fly with someone else you
need to go over these rules. The last thing you want is to be fighting
over the controls in a bad situation close to the ground. But just
because you go over this doesn't mean they will follow through. You
could still find your self fighting a fear stricken passenger fighting
the controls. Be prepared to elbow them in the kidneys and maybe the
face. What ever you do you may need to do it quickly. Remember this
isn't a popularity contest it could be the only thing that saves both of
your lives.
My $.02 worth
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot In Charge |
Richard, that was VERY well said. I'm often appalled by the lack of
safety procedures in many facets of small-aircraft flying.
What you describe should be absolutely mandatory before any flight
with passengers, ever.
Russ K
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On Nov 17, 2006, at 7:57 PM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
> I'm truly saddened by Dave's death. I only talked to him a few
> times at Monument Valley 2005 but he appeared to be a great guy.
>
> None of us know what happened and we may never know but this may be
> a good time to discuss pilot in charge procedures. When I first
> flew with my basic training instructor he went over the basics. The
> drill was, I'm the pilot, I will give you the controls by saying
> "your airplane" when I need to take control I will say "my
> airplane" and you will immediately take your hands off the
> controls. When you fly with someone else you need to go over these
> rules. The last thing you want is to be fighting over the controls
> in a bad situation close to the ground. But just because you go
> over this doesn't mean they will follow through. You could still
> find your self fighting a fear stricken passenger fighting the
> controls. Be prepared to elbow them in the kidneys and maybe the
> face. What ever you do you may need to do it quickly. Remember this
> isn't a popularity contest it could be the only thing that saves
> both of your lives.
>
> My $.02 worth
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
No, Why would you clime up to 1000 ft Agl shooting touch and goes in the
pattern.
George
----- Original M
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From: Robert Laird
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dave's accident
On 11/17/06, David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
It seems that it would be quite adventuresome to be making pattern
turns at relatively high gross weight at 2-300 feet AGL altitude. IF
something goes wrong there is no time to react or salvage the
situation...
Is that what I am hearing?
Maybe I got left out of something somewhere along the lines, but am I
the only person who flies the pattern at field altitude+1000 feet?
Granted, I'm doing descending turns for base and final, but my turn for
final is between 600 and 800 feet.
It certainly doesn't sound like something an experienced Kolb pilot
would be doing.
-- Robert
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
because it takes less than a minute and it could save your life... is that
the right answer?
>From: "George Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dave's accident
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:25:26 -0700
>
>No, Why would you clime up to 1000 ft Agl shooting touch and goes in the
>pattern.
> George
> ----- Original M
> Do not archiveessage -----
> From: Robert Laird
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dave's accident
>
>
> On 11/17/06, David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It seems that it would be quite adventuresome to be making pattern
>turns at relatively high gross weight at 2-300 feet AGL altitude. IF
>something goes wrong there is no time to react or salvage the situation...
>
> Is that what I am hearing?
>
> Maybe I got left out of something somewhere along the lines, but am I
>the only person who flies the pattern at field altitude+1000 feet?
>Granted, I'm doing descending turns for base and final, but my turn for
>final is between 600 and 800 feet.
>
> It certainly doesn't sound like something an experienced Kolb pilot
>would be doing.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
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>
>
>11/16/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
Hey guy's, here is the way I see it. Number one 1000ft AGL is the
standard pattern altitude as long as you are in the pattern doing TAG or
what ever. You should be 500 ft before turning cross wind and maintain a
safe airspeed at all times. There are a lot of accidents that happen in
the pattern, sticking to regulations makes all of us safer. And it keeps
the GA pilots happy . And remember altitude is good Ins. To have
something go wrong at 200 to 300 ft you don't have much time to react..
Fly safe...
Bill Futrell
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From: George Thompson
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dave's accident
No, Why would you clime up to 1000 ft Agl shooting touch and goes in
the pattern.
George
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From: Robert Laird
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dave's accident
On 11/17/06, David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
It seems that it would be quite adventuresome to be making pattern
turns at relatively high gross weight at 2-300 feet AGL altitude. IF
something goes wrong there is no time to react or salvage the
situation...
Is that what I am hearing?
Maybe I got left out of something somewhere along the lines, but am
I the only person who flies the pattern at field altitude+1000 feet?
Granted, I'm doing descending turns for base and final, but my turn for
final is between 600 and 800 feet.
It certainly doesn't sound like something an experienced Kolb pilot
would be doing.
-- Robert
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| Subject: | Re: Need 503 help! |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> JJ:
> Get the Rotax book off the internet that has the procedure for
> checking ignition modules, coils, alternator stator, etc.
>
Thanks, John H.
I looked up the how to test the ignition system, did all the tests and everything
passed. My flying buddy, Chuck, sugested that maybe there was spark but I didn't
see it because of too much daylight. I put everything back together today,
closed the hanger doors, and sure enough, I had spark on all plugs. To satisfy
myself, I opened the doors again and repeated the test. No visable spark.
So, I learned a lesson about Ducati ignitions, but now I still need to find out
why my engine didn't start.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75366#75366
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| Subject: | Re: Check out Low and slow - Google Video |
I don't know, it has been like that for a least 30 years. I guess someone
tried to start a new subdivision when gas was less expensive and just didn't
make a go of it.
Regards,
Will
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Check out Low and slow - Google Video
Why in the world did they cut so many roads in the desert? New subdivision?
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Need 503 help! |
| So, I learned a lesson about Ducati ignitions, but now I still need
to find out why my engine didn't start.
|
| --------
| John Jung
John J:
Don't remember what the book says about spark plug gap. We also use a
Ducati ignition on the 912 series engines. The book calls for .028",
but many of us run with .020 to .022" gap because there are times the
standard gap will not fire during start up. Might try closing the gap
up a bit and see if that helps.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
On 11/17/06, George Thompson <eagle1@commspeed.net> wrote:
>
> No, Why would you clime up to 1000 ft Agl shooting touch and goes in the
> pattern.
>
George -
That's been answered by a couple others here, and it would sound trite to
say it was "because that's the way I was taught." However, if an instructor
teaches you how to do a particular maneuver, do you always just blow it
off? Don't you think there's a good reason why s/he, and every other
instructor, teaches that maneuver that way? The reason for that "maneuver"
has been addressed, and my instructor addressed it, too, when I was
training. But unless I have many years of experience AND good cause to
alter the way a maneuver was taught to me, then I'll typically do it that
way indefinitely. "Good cause", to me, FYI, does NOT include "convenient"
or "faster" or "easier"... all those things stack up and spell "complacent."
I have always tried hard to fly my UL as if it were an N-numbered
experimental... in my minds eye, that's how I see it, anyway. Typically, I
find I get a lot more respect from ALL pilots when I behave that way.
-- Robert
P.S. Besides, with a climb rate the envy of all my GA neighbors, it's fun
to show it off at each touch-n-go! :-)
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