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1. 04:21 AM - Preheating 912 (Rick Pearce)
2. 04:34 AM - Head sets (Rick Pearce)
3. 05:27 AM - Re: Need 503 help! (John Jung)
4. 05:29 AM - Re: Preheating 912 (snuffy@usol.com)
5. 05:32 AM - Re: Head sets (John Jung)
6. 05:33 AM - Snuffy: Flying over you ()
7. 06:48 AM - Re: Dave's accident (John Hauck)
8. 06:56 AM - Re: Preheating 912 (J.D. Stewart)
9. 07:03 AM - Re: Dave's accident (J.D. Stewart)
10. 07:07 AM - Re: Firestar Fuel Tank (Thom Riddle)
11. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: Need 503 help! (possums)
12. 07:52 AM - Straight out Cessna (Richard Pike)
13. 08:40 AM - Re: Dave's accident (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
14. 09:31 AM - Re: Dave's accident (robert bean)
15. 10:30 AM - E-box gears for sale (Paul Petty)
16. 10:40 AM - Re: Head sets (Richard Girard)
17. 11:18 AM - Re: Patterns (Erik Grabowski)
18. 11:31 AM - Re: Dave's accident (John Hauck)
19. 11:32 AM - Re: Dave's accident (pat ladd)
20. 11:37 AM - Re: Firestar Fuel Tank (pat ladd)
21. 11:43 AM - Re: Dave's accident (John Hauck)
22. 11:51 AM - Re: Pilot In Charge (WillUribe@aol.com)
23. 12:54 PM - Re: Check out Low and slow - Google Video (WillUribe@aol.com)
24. 02:26 PM - Re: Patterns (possums)
25. 02:40 PM - Re: Straight out Cessna (russ kinne)
26. 02:41 PM - Re: Patterns (Arksey@aol.com)
27. 02:55 PM - Re: Dave's accident (russ kinne)
28. 03:00 PM - Re: Dave's accident (russ kinne)
29. 03:09 PM - Re: Check out Low and slow - Google Video (Bob Noyer)
30. 03:27 PM - Re: Patterns (John Hauck)
31. 03:33 PM - Re: Check out Low and slow - Google Video (Russ Kinne)
32. 03:34 PM - Re: Straight out Cessna (John Hauck)
33. 03:44 PM - Re: Dave's accident (John Hauck)
34. 04:52 PM - Re: Check out Low and slow - Google Video (Bob Dalton)
35. 04:53 PM - Re: Patterns (grabo172)
36. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: Patterns (possums)
37. 05:29 PM - Re: Patterns (thumb)
38. 05:33 PM - New Pilot (Charles Davis)
39. 05:44 PM - 532 engine ignition (blackbird)
40. 06:46 PM - Picture of Homer Kolb (Bill Vincent)
41. 06:57 PM - Re: Picture of Homer Kolb (Richard Pike)
42. 07:15 PM - FSII Pictures (Richard Pike)
43. 07:46 PM - Re: FSII Pictures (Bill Vincent)
44. 09:14 PM - 447 EGT? (grabo172)
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Now that cold weather is up on us I need to come up with a way to
preheat my 912 on Mark3 Classic Instead of reinventing the wheel I
figured I would ask the list and see how other people are doing it.
Rick Pearce
do not archieve
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I just recieved my BT-101 intercom yesterday. I noticed that it
only has a hook up for one lead for the head sets. I have have Flightcom
(Blackhawk) Model 50X they have two plugs. Am I screwed or do I have
order some kind of adptor? Rick Pearce Mark3C 912ULS
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Need 503 help! |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> John J:
>
> Don't remember what the book says about spark plug gap. We also use a
> Ducati ignition on the 912 series engines. The book calls for .028",
> but many of us run with .020 to .022" gap because there are times the
> standard gap will not fire during start up. Might try closing the gap
> up a bit and see if that helps.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Plugs are at .014 - .018 per the book for a 503 Ducati. I will be doing some testing
to try to find out what is going on with the engine. It seems to be getting
fussy and I am losing confidence it it.
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John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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Subject: | Re: Preheating 912 |
I've never preheated a 912 but did so on a Continental 4 banger. I
got one of those small catylitic heaters that screw on to a propane
bottle. Hunters and ice fisherman use them up here in the cold north.
Then I got some 6 inch diameter expanding aluminum ducting. I could
position it so it ran up under the cowling and up next to the oil sump.
I'd then place the propane bottle on the ground, light the burner and
put the ducting over the burner. Worked quite well.
> Now that cold weather is up on us I need to come up with a way
to
> preheat my 912 on Mark3 Classic Instead of reinventing the wheel I
> figured I would ask the list and see how other people are doing it.
> Rick Pearce
> do not archieve
do not archieve
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This would be a good question for Comtronics. I don't think that they are compatable.
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John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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Subject: | Snuffy: Flying over you |
Hey, Kirk!
It's nice to see a post from you. I'm leaving for the airport now (circa
0830) to meet up with Mark and Grey for a flight up to Frankenmuth. We'll be
departing Ray at 10a. Wave at us as we go over!
-Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: <snuffy@usol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Preheating 912
>
> I've never preheated a 912 but did so on a Continental 4 banger. I
> got one of those small catylitic heaters that screw on to a propane
> bottle. Hunters and ice fisherman use them up here in the cold north.
> Then I got some 6 inch diameter expanding aluminum ducting. I could
> position it so it ran up under the cowling and up next to the oil sump.
> I'd then place the propane bottle on the ground, light the burner and
> put the ducting over the burner. Worked quite well.
>
> > Now that cold weather is up on us I need to come up with a way
> to
> > preheat my 912 on Mark3 Classic Instead of reinventing the wheel I
> > figured I would ask the list and see how other people are doing it.
> > Rick Pearce
> > do not archieve
> do not archieve
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
| experimental... in my minds eye, that's how I see it, anyway.
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| -- Robert
Robert:
Thought you were flying a MKIII?
john h
mkIII
N101AB
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Use one of those stick-on engine heater pads on your oil tank.
After a few seconds warm oil is running all through your engine. I found
them at Bomgaars, Tractor Supply, but I would bet auto parts stores would
have them too.
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
www.ultrafunairsports.com
>
> I've never preheated a 912 but did so on a Continental 4
> banger. I got one of those small catylitic heaters that
> screw on to a propane bottle. Hunters and ice fisherman use
> them up here in the cold north.
> Then I got some 6 inch diameter expanding aluminum ducting. I
> could position it so it ran up under the cowling and up next
> to the oil sump.
> I'd then place the propane bottle on the ground, light the
> burner and put the ducting over the burner. Worked quite well.
>
> > Now that cold weather is up on us I need to come up with a way
> to
> > preheat my 912 on Mark3 Classic Instead of reinventing the wheel I
> > figured I would ask the list and see how other people are doing it.
> > Rick Pearce
> > do not archieve
> do not archieve
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I almost didn't pass my PPL practical test because I turned crosswind at
the same point I normally would in my Titan or Challenger, just past the end
of the runway. I was flying a C-152 for the practical, and the CFI stressed
to me that I don't turn crosswind until I have reached pattern altitude. It
didn't matter that it was 90 degrees out, that we could only put 9 gallons
of gas in it to avoid going over gross, and that it would take 3~4 miles to
get to 1000'. We were going to head straight out until we got there.
With most Kolb's amazing climb, 1000' shouldn't take more than a minute
anyway.
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
www.ultrafunairsports.com
Hey guy's, here is the way I see it. Number one 1000ft AGL is the
standard pattern altitude as long as you are in the pattern doing TAG or
what ever. You should be 500 ft before turning cross wind and maintain a
safe airspeed at all times. There are a lot of accidents that happen in the
pattern, sticking to regulations makes all of us safer. And it keeps the GA
pilots happy . And remember altitude is good Ins. To have something go wrong
at 200 to 300 ft you don't have much time to react.. Fly safe...
Bill Futrell
No, Why would you clime up to 1000 ft Agl shooting touch and goes in the
pattern.
George
On 11/17/06, David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
It seems that it would be quite adventuresome to be making pattern turns at
relatively high gross weight at 2-300 feet AGL altitude. IF something goes
wrong there is no time to react or salvage the situation...
Is that what I am hearing?
Maybe I got left out of something somewhere along the lines, but am I the
only person who flies the pattern at field altitude+1000 feet? Granted, I'm
doing descending turns for base and final, but my turn for final is between
600 and 800 feet.
It certainly doesn't sound like something an experienced Kolb pilot would be
doing.
-- Robert
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Subject: | Re: Firestar Fuel Tank |
Alternative aluminum fuel tank leak fix (aluminium, for Pat).
When I was driving a Titan, built by someone else, the home-built
aluminum fuel tank sprung a couple leaks at the welded seams. I used
Pro-Seal to fix the leaks and it worked great. It is my understanding
that this is the stuff that many airlines use to patch their aluminum
fuel tank leaks. It is available from Aircraft Spruce, maybe others
too. Not cheap and messy to work with but it does work very well.
Thom in Buffalo
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Subject: | Re: Need 503 help! |
At 08:56 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote:
>
>I looked up the how to test the ignition system, did all the tests
>and everything passed. My flying buddy, Chuck, sugested that maybe
>there was spark but I didn't see it because of too much daylight. I
>put everything back together today, closed the hanger doors, and
>sure enough, I had spark on all plugs. To satisfy myself, I opened
>the doors again and repeated the test. No visable spark.
>
>So, I learned a lesson about Ducati ignitions, but now I still need
>to find out why my engine didn't start.
>
>--------
>John Jung
Might want to make sure the "vent lines" aren't clogged up.
If it's a single carb, it won't start if the the holes in the bottom
of theses little tubes are clogged.
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Subject: | Straight out Cessna |
Years ago in my former life as an air traffic controller, we had an
instructor flying out of TRI with that straight-out-till-1,000'-mindset.
One day I had him doing a touch and go with an FAA Flight Check
Saberliner about three miles behind him as he crossed the fence. If you
have ever been around Flat Chick planes, they lock onto the
localizer/glide slope for ILS calibration runs, and will not deviate off
unless absolutely necessary because it screws up their data.
Well, the C152 was approaching the departure end as the Saberliner was
on short final for a low approach, and I told the Cessna to start a
turn. Got a Roger, but no turn. Told him again, got a Roger, but no
turn. Then the Saberliner pilot piped up and said "Let him go tower, we
haven't cold-nosed a Cessna in a while, and he'll do just fine." Saw the
wing promptly come up on the Cessna...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
And on another light note, will be taking off in a couple hours to go
shoot pictures of the Santa Train coming out of the mountains into
Kingsport. Allison Krauss is on it, but I doubt that she is into waving
at Kolbs...
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: J.D. Stewart
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:01 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Dave's accident
I almost didn't pass my PPL practical test because I turned
crosswind at the same point I normally would in my Titan or Challenger,
just past the end of the runway. I was flying a C-152 for the
practical, and the CFI stressed to me that I don't turn crosswind until
I have reached pattern altitude. It didn't matter that it was 90
degrees out, that we could only put 9 gallons of gas in it to avoid
going over gross, and that it would take 3~4 miles to get to 1000'. We
were going to head straight out until we got there.
With most Kolb's amazing climb, 1000' shouldn't take more than a
minute anyway.
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
www.ultrafunairsports.com
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Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
John/All
When I first started flying I flew a Weedhopper, it was a ultralight
because it was capable of being foot launched and landed. Later the FAA got
very liberal and defined ultralights by part 103 which most of us at that
time figured was too heavy, fast etc. When ultralights got popular people
were getting killed. The FAA allowed the use of two place ultralights to
save lives. For a short time people bought these two place airplanes and
used them for training. It has now gotten sooo.... bad that people feel they
have the right to fly anything short of a 172 without a pilots license. The
general public, most pilots and even police officers think these big
airplanes are ultralights. With the final dates for the implementation of
the sport pilot coming up I assume that the FAA is gearing up for a crack
down on all those illegal airplanes. I see a number of our group getting
their licenses and this is a very good thing. If you are one that hasn't
started on your license, well it would have been easer if your took
advantage of the grandfather options but it isn't too late. If you plan to
continue flying with out a license don't complain if you get slammed with a
big penalty. The penalty might include a restriction on a future license.
Also John remember we fly our experimental Kolbs into Oshkosh as ultralights
and land at the "ultralight strip"
I will get off my soapbox and duck behind a fire proof wall to avoid the
flames and yes Do Not Archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dave's accident
>
>
>
>
> Robert:
>
> Thought you were flying a MKIII?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> N101AB
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
Rick, I wonder too, how many will continue on the same as usual.
They may find some problems with that approach, some may elect to
drop out of the sport.
That said, the flavor of your neighborhood and/or airport will also
effect your type of flying. Busy airport, adherence is wise and safe.
My strip is quite close to but legal to use near a class C airport so I
fly my pattern 600' agl to avoid problems. Been that way for 35 years.
If you have a 10,000 acre spread in Montana, buy whatever you want
and fly it anyway you want, screw the laws. (as long as you stay near
home)
BB do not archive
On 18, Nov 2006, at 11:38 AM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> John/All
>
> When I first started flying I flew a Weedhopper, it was a ultralight
> because it was capable of being foot launched and landed. Later the
> FAA got very liberal and defined ultralights by part 103 which most of
> us at that time figured was too heavy, fast etc. When ultralights got
> popular people were getting killed. The FAA allowed the use of two
> place ultralights to save lives. For a short time people bought these
> two place airplanes and used them for training. It has now gotten
> sooo.... bad that people feel they have the right to fly anything
> short of a 172 without a pilots license. The general public, most
> pilots and even police officers think these big airplanes are
> ultralights. With the final dates for the implementation of the sport
> pilot coming up I assume that the FAA is gearing up for a crack down
> on all those illegal airplanes. I see a number of our group getting
> their licenses and this is a very good thing. If you are one that
> hasn't started on your license, well it would have been easer if your
> took advantage of the grandfather options but it isn't too late. If
> you plan to continue flying with out a license don't complain if you
> get slammed with a big penalty. The penalty might include a
> restriction on a future license.
>
> Also John remember we fly our experimental Kolbs into Oshkosh as
> ultralights and land at the "ultralight strip"
>
> I will get off my soapbox and duck behind a fire proof wall to avoid
> the flames and yes Do Not Archive
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dave's accident
>
>
>>
>>
>> | I have always tried hard to fly my UL as if it were an N-numbered
>> | experimental... in my minds eye, that's how I see it, anyway.
>> |
>> | -- Robert
>>
>>
>> Robert:
>>
>> Thought you were flying a MKIII?
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> N101AB
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | E-box gears for sale |
Hi Gang,
Buddy of mine has been trying to get the right combo for his warp prop and new
582. Think he has it right now and has 2 sets of very low time gear sets for a
E-box he wants to sell. 1 is a 3.47 ratio and the other is 2.62. They cost 500
bucks new any one needing a set will find a good deal here. I am going to post
them on e-bay next week for him but wanted to see if my kolb brothers needed
them first! if interested call me @ 601-480-9979 or e-mail. Make offer.
Paul
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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If the intercom is wired to use helicopter style single plugs you can get
adapters from David Clark.
Rick
On 11/18/06, Rick Pearce <rap@isp.com> wrote:
>
> I just recieved my BT-101 intercom yesterday. I noticed that it
> only has a hook up for one lead for the head sets. I have have Flightcom
> (Blackhawk) Model 50X they have two plugs. Am I screwed or do I have order
> some kind of adptor? Rick Pearce Mark3C 912ULS
> Do not archive
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
| Also John remember we fly our experimental Kolbs into Oshkosh as
ultralights
| and land at the "ultralight strip"
| Rick Neilsen
Thought it was an airstrip for light planes, ultralights, rotorcraft,
flying bed sheets, trikes, and rag bags.
Rick, you need to explain your statement above.
Folks, don't forget, many of us fly out of cow pastures, back yards,
deserts, desert roads, gravel bars, hay fields, borrow pits, and
parking lots, etc.
I fly in and out of my cow pasture in a routine manner. Usually, the
same procedure each time, except when the wind changes my landing
direction. Does it look like a traffic pattern at an airport.
Probably not in the least. I don't know the first thing about the
airstrip AZ Dave was flying out of, other than an abandoned WWII
field. Probably nothing out there but the old strip and desert.
Doubt if many GA aircraft fly in and out of there, but I may be wrong.
AZ George can enlighten us on the airstrip at Paulden.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with 100 or 200 ft pattern
altitude at Paulden, if it is not an official FAA recognized airport.
Kolbs are more than happy flying at that altitude as they are at 1,000
feet. Kolbs don't stall because of insufficient altitude, but
insufficient airspeed. From the few photos I saw of the area, looked
like a lot of flat high desert to me. I could be wrong though.
Plenty places to do an off field landing, if necessary. I believe
Dave did one a year or so ago and busted his mkIII.
Some of us have flown coast to coast, low level, and I don't mean less
than 10,000 feet.
When I fly in and out of airports, I fly the traffic pattern, usually
not nearly as big as the GA guys. Why, because I don't need to. Many
times I have landed ahead of GA (150, 152, etc.) aircraft that were
flying B-52 type traffic patterns, even though they entered the
traffic pattern long before I did. At my local airport, 08A, I can
fly 3 or 4 Kolb traffic patterns before a 152 flies a single pattern.
Its been a while since I went through primary flight training, but if
I remember correctly (and if I don't, John W will certainly correct
me), I can turn cross wind when I clear the departure end of the
runway, turn down wind when I reach traffic pattern altitude, turn
base and start my descent when I am 45 degrees from the approach end
of the runway, and turn final so I'll roll out lined up on the center
line of the runway. Maybe ya'll do it different now. ;-)
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
Hi,
re pattern flying. 1000ft seems awfully high. In the UK there is usually
an ultralight pattern at 6 or 800 ft and smaller than the regular GA
pattern leading to a grass runway parallel to the main tarmac.
In my own field I fly lower and my approach is of the `turn left behind
the big elm tree` variety. Partly because I like doing it and partly
because I learned to fly in gliders and they generally fly a pretty
loosely defined sort of pattern like that.
I wouldn`t dream of doing that at a `proper` field. Ultralighters have
a bad enough name anyway without deliberately acting in a stupid, and
probably dangerous manner.
Whoever suggested flying without a license, in whatever circumstances
should be locked up for the benefit of the rest of us. Imagine the
headlines. Uninsured and unlicenced pilot crashes on house killing
mother of 4 children.
The general public think we should be grounded when they discover that
we have no radio and file no flight plans, let alone fly without a
licence. The entire movement would be crucified and regulations would be
piled on evryone. Just look at the demands to stop GA flights down the
river after that plane flew into the skyscaper.
As for `showing off my super climb rate`....fine in your own field with
your mates..on a GA field you are nuts. Traffic on a field is planned
on the basis of everyone having roughly similar perfomances and if you
suddenly climb at twice the usual rate you upset the expectations of
every other pilot in the pattern and throw off their planning.
Perhaps it is a function of the space you have in the States and the
fact that you can fly a long, long way from any authority but
happenstance will get you in the end.
Cheers
Pat
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Alternative aluminum fuel tank leak fix (aluminium, for Pat).>>
Hi Thom,
thank you for you consideraton.
Cheers
Pat
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happenstance will get you in the end.
Cheers
Pat
Patrick:
What does a "happenstance" look like?
john h
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A long time ago I was doing touch and goes in my 172 and my uncle was riding
shot gun. As we were on final the wind shifted and we lost airspeed.
Instinctively I pushed the throttle forward and the noise down. To my surprise
the controls were locked. We stalled and hit the runway so hard we bounced back
into the air then started drifting to the side of the runway while I was
fighting the controls. This is when I noticed my uncle had the controls. I
didn't noticed he had grabbed the controls until after we bounced. This all
happened in a matter of seconds but my first thought was the controls froze up
on
me. I wasn't about to elbow my uncle in the face but I did scream as hard as
I could to let go of the controls. To his dying days he talked about the
time he saved us from me flying the Cessna into the ground. I miss the flights
I had with him, it was always an adventure and very memorable.
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Martha Neilsen
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:57 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Pilot In Charge
I'm truly saddened by Dave's death. I only talked to him a few times at
Monument Valley 2005 but he appeared to be a great guy.
None of us know what happened and we may never know but this may be a good
time to discuss pilot in charge procedures. When I first flew with my basic
training instructor he went over the basics. The drill was, I'm the pilot, I
will give you the controls by saying "your airplane" when I need to take
control I will say "my airplane" and you will immediately take your hands off
the
controls. When you fly with someone else you need to go over these rules. The
last thing you want is to be fighting over the controls in a bad situation
close to the ground. But just because you go over this doesn't mean they will
follow through. You could still find your self fighting a fear stricken
passenger fighting the controls. Be prepared to elbow them in the kidneys and
maybe
the face. What ever you do you may need to do it quickly. Remember this
isn't a popularity contest it could be the only thing that saves both of your
lives.
My $.02 worth
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Subject: | Re: Check out Low and slow - Google Video |
Hi Larry,
I did some asking around and found out the roads were cut for colonias. The
city could not afford to annex them because once annexed the city would have
to install all infrastructure. This was a thorn in it's side because they
couldn't expand it's tax base. After the roads were cut colonias were outlawed,
a law was passed prohibiting the sale of small lots unless they had
utilities. In a nut shell, depriving low income families from affording property.
Colonias lack essential elements of infrastructure. They are unincorporated
community located within 150 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border, with a
population of less than 10,000 that is low and very low income, and which lacks
safe,
sanitary and sound housing, as well as services such as potable water,
adequate sewage systems, drainage, streets and utilities.
Colonias are usually found in rural areas. Subdivisions are usually created
out of cheap desert land. Usually it is not in a city's interest to annex a
colonia because it would subsequently be required to provide it with such city
services as water, electricity, and sewage, even though the tax revenue from
annexed colonias would probably not cover the cost of installation and use
of services. Counties, under whose jurisdiction colonias tend to be, are
usually not required to render such services.
In contrast with shantytowns in other parts of the world, however, most
residents actually do legally own the land on which they reside
To make this post Kolb relevant here are some pictures flying over the
desert taken a couple of weeks ago.
Regards,
Will
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Check out Low and slow - Google Video
Why in the world did they cut so many roads in the desert? New subdivision?
Larry, Oregon
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Our airport has an "Ultralight" pattern different from
the GA pattern. Stay below 600 ft AGL, shorter turns,
inside of GA planes, use the middle half of the runway, etc.
Cartersville VPC field elevation is 759 MSL.
UL pattern is 1,300 ft MSL.
Guess old dogs can learn 'new tricks.
http://www.georgiasportflyers.com/pages/patterns.htm
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Subject: | Re: Straight out Cessna |
I've always tried to keep the ATC happy, but also my fellow pilots as
well. Several times at big airports I've had a lot of planes behind
me, all waiting to takeoff. When tower clears me, I'll ask if they
want me to "expedite" -- they usually say yes, and when I get to
2-300' I make a gentle turn crosswind -- BUT this is in a dependable
plane I know very well, and in an area where I could successfully
land if the fan quit. But it does free Tower up to clear the next guy
behind me in line and speed things up for everybody. At least half
the time they've said "Thanks for the turn " afterward.
Worked at St John's NFLD, Stewart NY, Bradley CT, White Plains NY,
Bangor ME as I recall, others.
I can't imagine a CFI insisting on 1000' in a low-performance
aircraft --
Russ K
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On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
> Years ago in my former life as an air traffic controller, we had an
> instructor flying out of TRI with that straight-out-till-1,000'-
> mindset. One day I had him doing a touch and go with an FAA Flight
> Check Saberliner about three miles behind him as he crossed the
> fence. If you have ever been around Flat Chick planes, they lock
> onto the localizer/glide slope for ILS calibration runs, and will
> not deviate off unless absolutely necessary because it screws up
> their data.
>
> Well, the C152 was approaching the departure end as the Saberliner
> was on short final for a low approach, and I told the Cessna to
> start a turn. Got a Roger, but no turn. Told him again, got a
> Roger, but no turn. Then the Saberliner pilot piped up and said
> "Let him go tower, we haven't cold-nosed a Cessna in a while, and
> he'll do just fine." Saw the wing promptly come up on the Cessna...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> And on another light note, will be taking off in a couple hours to
> go shoot pictures of the Santa Train coming out of the mountains
> into Kingsport. Allison Krauss is on it, but I doubt that she is
> into waving at Kolbs...
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J.D. Stewart
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:01 AM
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Dave's accident
>
> I almost didn't pass my PPL practical test because I turned
> crosswind at the same point I normally would in my Titan or
> Challenger, just past the end of the runway. I was flying a C-152
> for the practical, and the CFI stressed to me that I don't turn
> crosswind until I have reached pattern altitude. It didn't matter
> that it was 90 degrees out, that we could only put 9 gallons of gas
> in it to avoid going over gross, and that it would take 3~4 miles
> to get to 1000'. We were going to head straight out until we got
> there.
> With most Kolb's amazing climb, 1000' shouldn't take more than
> a minute anyway.
> J.D. Stewart
> UltraFun AirSports, LLC
> www.ultrafunairsports.com
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Eric,
thanks for posting the pattern diagram...I agree when operating out of
public airports...but at a private field just do what is safer depending on
approach terrain and departure terrain and areas for successful forced landings
if required. I like to have the altitude to make the field if the engine
quits. Barn yard logic or common sense seems a good thing to apply.. yep my
2
cents worth.
jim swan firestar ll michigan
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Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
Most well said John!
I hope all of our pilots read and heed
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On Nov 18, 2006, at 2:30 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> ultralights
>
>
> Thought it was an airstrip for light planes, ultralights, rotorcraft,
> flying bed sheets, trikes, and rag bags.
>
> Rick, you need to explain your statement above.
>
> Folks, don't forget, many of us fly out of cow pastures, back yards,
> deserts, desert roads, gravel bars, hay fields, borrow pits, and
> parking lots, etc.
>
> I fly in and out of my cow pasture in a routine manner. Usually, the
> same procedure each time, except when the wind changes my landing
> direction. Does it look like a traffic pattern at an airport.
> Probably not in the least. I don't know the first thing about the
> airstrip AZ Dave was flying out of, other than an abandoned WWII
> field. Probably nothing out there but the old strip and desert.
> Doubt if many GA aircraft fly in and out of there, but I may be wrong.
> AZ George can enlighten us on the airstrip at Paulden.
>
> Personally, I don't see anything wrong with 100 or 200 ft pattern
> altitude at Paulden, if it is not an official FAA recognized airport.
> Kolbs are more than happy flying at that altitude as they are at 1,000
> feet. Kolbs don't stall because of insufficient altitude, but
> insufficient airspeed. From the few photos I saw of the area, looked
> like a lot of flat high desert to me. I could be wrong though.
> Plenty places to do an off field landing, if necessary. I believe
> Dave did one a year or so ago and busted his mkIII.
>
> Some of us have flown coast to coast, low level, and I don't mean less
> than 10,000 feet.
>
> When I fly in and out of airports, I fly the traffic pattern, usually
> not nearly as big as the GA guys. Why, because I don't need to. Many
> times I have landed ahead of GA (150, 152, etc.) aircraft that were
> flying B-52 type traffic patterns, even though they entered the
> traffic pattern long before I did. At my local airport, 08A, I can
> fly 3 or 4 Kolb traffic patterns before a 152 flies a single pattern.
>
> Its been a while since I went through primary flight training, but if
> I remember correctly (and if I don't, John W will certainly correct
> me), I can turn cross wind when I clear the departure end of the
> runway, turn down wind when I reach traffic pattern altitude, turn
> base and start my descent when I am 45 degrees from the approach end
> of the runway, and turn final so I'll roll out lined up on the center
> line of the runway. Maybe ya'll do it different now. ;-)
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
i think "happenstance" may be a large purple-faced gentleman with
steam coming out of his ears and a clipboard (or summons book) in his
hand, wearing a cap that says "FAA", approaching your aircraft after
landing --
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On Nov 18, 2006, at 2:43 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> happenstance will get you in the end.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
> Patrick:
>
> What does a "happenstance" look like?
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
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Subject: | Re: Check out Low and slow - Google Video |
Why don't we all chip in and buy Will some gas? All his pix shown a
stopped prop...oh, I know, I know...
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Guess old dogs can learn 'new tricks.
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| http://www.georgiasportflyers.com/pages/patterns.htm
Thanks Stan:
I like that UL Pattern.
Well, hell,.................I like Carterville. ;-)
john h
mkIII
PS: Official Possum.
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Subject: | Re: Check out Low and slow - Google Video |
That's because he spent too much money on a good camera instead of
Avgas!
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On Nov 18, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Bob Noyer wrote:
> Why don't we all chip in and buy Will some gas? All his pix shown a
> stopped prop...oh, I know, I know...
>
> regards,
> Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
>
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Subject: | Re: Straight out Cessna |
dependable
| plane I know very well, and in an area where I could successfully
| land if the fan quit.
Russ K:
Are you insinuating some of us fly aircraft that are not dependable?
Most of us don't fly in tower controlled airports, unless we have to.
Easy to spot a GA type with little or no UL/Light Plane experience.
;-) It oozes out between the cracks.
Promise I won't say anything about dependable spam cans, the ones I
read about daily in the FAA Daily Accident Briefs. Most of those
accidents are bent, broken, failed, landing gear because the GA pilot
blew the landing.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Dave's accident |
purple-faced gentleman with
| steam coming out of his ears and a clipboard (or summons book) in
his
| hand, wearing a cap that says "FAA", approaching your aircraft after
| landing --
Russ K:
Know what that is. Couple years ago, John W, Gary H, and I, got
nailed by one of those when we arrived at the UL airstrip, Sun and
Fun, Lakeland, FL. What an ass hole, pardon my French. Luckily we
had John W with us. John W squared this short, fat, ill mannered SOB
away in short order. John asked him if he had read the NOTAM for the
UL airstrip. FAA type replied, negative. John said there were more
than 30 pages for the main airport and one paragraph of a few lines
for the UL airstrip. What the FAA type was trying to nail us on,
illegal low pass was not in the UL NOTAM. The airstrip was closed,
except for arrivals. I was flying lead on a three ship formation.
Was my duty to drag the field to insure it was safe to land. All
three of us drug the field, but we stayed south of the ditch that
parallels the airstrip, which is covered in the daily briefings at
Lakeland each year. End of story, FAA type departed in his little
golf cart never to bother us again, I hope. ;-)
Take care,
john h
mkIII
PS: What was the question?
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Subject: | Check out Low and slow - Google Video |
Interesting Will, thanks.
Bob D.
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WillUribe@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Check out Low and slow - Google Video
Hi Larry,
I did some asking around and found out the roads were cut for colonias. The
city could not afford to annex them because once annexed the city would have
to install all infrastructure. This was a thorn in it's side because they
couldn't expand it's tax base. After the roads were cut colonias were
outlawed, a law was passed prohibiting the sale of small lots unless they
had utilities. In a nut shell, depriving low income families from affording
property.
Regards,
Will
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Check out Low and slow - Google Video
Why in the world did they cut so many roads in the desert? New subdivision?
Larry, Oregon
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You're welcome for the diagram... Of course that's for any standard airport...
I think that UL patter from the other post is a good example of what we would
be expected to do in our planes...
Those who land at other than a standard airport of course have to modify the standard
pattern to fit terrain and field length and so on.
Speaking of... I'm curious because this is something that I'm wanting to learn
how to do... when you all do land wherever, such as a creek bank or sand bar
or cow pasture, do you generally know the owners of the land or know the public
places where you won't bother anyone?
Every once in a while I see a nice place that I'd like to stop by, land, and see
on the ground but never do because I'd hate to get in someone's land and have
them call the police or something...
--------
-Erik Grabowski
Kolb Firestar N197BG
CFI/CFII
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At 07:53 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote:
>nd at other than a standard airport of course have to modify the
>standard pattern to fit terrain and field length and so on.
>
>Speaking of... I'm curious because this is something that I'm
>wanting to learn how to do... when you all do land wherever, such as
>a creek bank or sand bar or cow pasture, do you generally know the
>owners of the land or know the public places where you won't bother anyone?
>
>--------
>-Erik Grabowski
My old Firestar had a large decal on the boom tube.
People would look - but never seemed to bother me.
Worked pretty good when I had my helmet camera on.
Not that I would suggest this to anyone else.
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Well if any of you guys visit the airport I fly from it is best to
stick to regulations. Pattern altitude 1000 FT AGL , We have some jet
traffic in and out of here, we have a Sheriff Department flying out of here,
National Guard Helicopter base at the field, the Coast guard use it also
with their C-130 and some kind of big Helicopter, Helicopter ambulance
service ,several Ultralites and Exp at the field and we all get along just
fine. The field is un uncontrolled, Unicom only 123.00. The Helicopters fly
500 ft AGL and fly right hand pattern which is standard , except the
Sheriff and Medical copters and they are pretty much from all direction but
they hold 500 ft AGL. Light twins fly the pattern at 1500 ft AGL ,of course
the faster aircraft fly a larger pattern than we do and we also identify
yourself rather slow aircraft or Ultralite. We have an ILS system on runway
9 and we know if there is someone out there shooting an ILS approach
because they will report in 8 to 10 miles out . So far we have had only
complaint from one guy and he is a C172 owner and one of our EAA club
members , but he is coming around. The only bad thing about flying at an
airport like this is you get spoiled. Our runways are concrete 7000 X 150
and 5000 X 150 . This airport was built to fly the B-29 and B-25 out of.
Stop in and come over for a coffee anytime. I live right across the
road from the airport. 352-754-2780 Take Care
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From: "possums" <possums@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Patterns
>
> Our airport has an "Ultralight" pattern different from
> the GA pattern. Stay below 600 ft AGL, shorter turns,
> inside of GA planes, use the middle half of the runway, etc.
>
> Cartersville VPC field elevation is 759 MSL.
> UL pattern is 1,300 ft MSL.
>
> Guess old dogs can learn 'new tricks.
>
> http://www.georgiasportflyers.com/pages/patterns.htm
>
>
>
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Well,
A month ago I passed my sport pilot written. Today I passed my
practical and am now a Sport Pilot. Total "N-Number" time, 9.5 hours,
thanks to the registered UL exemptions.
41 years too late, but still happy to get it done.
If you can't fly a kolb, I highly recommend an Evecktor Sportstar.
Now, there's only to scrape togetehr the $$$...
http://www.sportaircraftinternational.com/
Chuck
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Subject: | 532 engine ignition |
Ok guys,
Today at our meeting I tried to fly my 532 engine again....It has Steve Beattys
aftermarket ignition system in it.....The pickup coil has gone again (behind
the flywheel)..Is their anything I can do besides replace the engine ....It runs
great ...till no spark....
And yes its the coil......I unwound the thing to find a broken wire on the winding....
Do NOT want to take the engine off of the Kolbra to fly this aircraft....Is points
better.......Maybe they will at least sputter.....
Thanks....
WT
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Subject: | Picture of Homer Kolb |
Hi Gang
For the new List members who have not seen this picture, I thought it
was worthy to resend.
The picture is of Homer Kolb with a 1956 design powered by 4 chainsaw
engines, I guess this proves once and for all who the "real father" of
ultralights really is.....
Bill Vincent Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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Subject: | Re: Picture of Homer Kolb |
It looks as if he is looking at his left hand. Probably making sure all
his fingers are still there.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: Bill Vincent
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Picture of Homer Kolb
Hi Gang
For the new List members who have not seen this picture, I thought it
was worthy to resend.
The picture is of Homer Kolb with a 1956 design powered by 4 chainsaw
engines, I guess this proves once and for all who the "real father" of
ultralights really is.....
Bill Vincent Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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Took some pictures of Ed's Firestar II this afternoon, some of them came out pretty
good.
After we got back on the ground, took my MKIII apart and put it in the garage,
time for some winter maintenance, fix that cranky radio that quit working, and
put some dihedral in the wings. Going to see if the MKIII can be made to fly
hands off like the FSII does.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: FSII Pictures |
Hi Richard
Thanks for posting the pics...I am amazed at how much dihedral there is on
the wings.
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From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: FSII Pictures
>
> Took some pictures of Ed's Firestar II this afternoon, some of them came
> out pretty good.
> After we got back on the ground, took my MKIII apart and put it in the
> garage, time for some winter maintenance, fix that cranky radio that quit
> working, and put some dihedral in the wings. Going to see if the MKIII can
> be made to fly hands off like the FSII does.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020256_large_139.jpg
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Hey all,
Since I've piped up a bit today, I think I'll ask a question too...
Why doesn't the 447 have an EGT spec? Just wondering...
Thanks!
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-Erik Grabowski
Kolb Firestar N197BG
CFI/CFII
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