---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/23/06: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: Flight Info (ron wehba) 2. 06:10 AM - Re: Re: Flight Info (Denny Rowe) 3. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Flight Info (robert bean) 4. 07:30 AM - Re: English vs. Ahmurican (Russ Kinne) 5. 08:14 AM - Black Friday (possums) 6. 08:38 AM - Where is everybody (Jim Kmet) 7. 09:05 AM - Re: Where is everybody (John Hauck) 8. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Flight Info (possums) 9. 09:32 AM - Re: Flight Info (possums) 10. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: Flight Info (possums) 11. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Flight Info (russ kinne) 12. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Flight Info (possums) 13. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Flight Info (russ kinne) 14. 01:09 PM - Re: Where is everybody (Steven Green) 15. 01:41 PM - Spark Plug Gap Question (John Murr) 16. 02:03 PM - Re: Spark Plug Gap Question (John Hauck) 17. 02:18 PM - Re: Spark Plug Gap Question (John Murr) 18. 02:53 PM - Re: Spark Plug Gap Question (HShack@aol.com) 19. 05:09 PM - Re: Where is everybody (Charlie England) 20. 05:46 PM - Re: Where is everybody (Mike Schnabel) 21. 06:05 PM - Re: Hangar update (Mike Schnabel) 22. 07:44 PM - Re: Spark Plug Gap Question (John Jung) 23. 08:25 PM - Re: Re: Spark Plug Gap Question (HShack@aol.com) 24. 08:33 PM - Re: Re: Spark Plug Gap Question (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:12 AM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info anyone got this figgered out? ----- Original Message ----- From: "possums" Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:50 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info > > At 12:21 AM 11/23/2006, you wrote: >> >>Perty kewl trick, senor. >> >>Larry Bourne > Sorry - didn't mean to send it to "you". > > > But it does look better outside - in the sun. > http://www.icaruseffect.com/home.html > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:38 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info No, I am always a little slow on the uptake. Myself and my kids would appreciate anyone wanting to explain the trick. :-) Happy Thanksgiving to all. Denny Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron wehba" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info > > anyone got this figgered out? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "possums" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info > > >> >> At 12:21 AM 11/23/2006, you wrote: >>> >>>Perty kewl trick, senor. >>> >>>Larry Bourne >> Sorry - didn't mean to send it to "you". >> >> >> But it does look better outside - in the sun. >> http://www.icaruseffect.com/home.html > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:19 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info One of the posts linked to a guy outing the trick. There's a fake shoe and pantleg front, notice the legs are always together. Fun illusion though. do not archive happy T day all On 23, Nov 2006, at 8:47 AM, ron wehba wrote: > > anyone got this figgered out? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "possums" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info > > >> At 12:21 AM 11/23/2006, you wrote: >>> >>> Perty kewl trick, senor. >>> >>> Larry Bourne >> Sorry - didn't mean to send it to "you". >> But it does look better outside - in the sun. >> http://www.icaruseffect.com/home.html > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:20 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: English vs. Ahmurican Pat You're absolutely right about pilots magnetically drawing together at parties, meetings, etc. Richard Bach wrote quite a bit about this. Good also that old enemies can socialize peacefully & friendly-ly. But many of the poor Args in the Falklands didn't even know where they were, or why. No reason for them to bristle at the Brits Can't imagine anyone butchering the English language worse than some of us Ameddicans do -- Best, Russ do not archive On Nov 19, 2006, at 6:00 PM, pat ladd wrote: > > enthusiasm for thing that fly might qualify as the great uniter.>> > > You could be right Thom. I collect signed aviation prints and went > to a recent `signing` and there were the old boys, German and > English who fought each other in their Spits and Hurricanes against > the Me 109 and Fw 190`s all chatting away and getting along famously. > Last weekend there was a seminar at one of our Universities where > the Argentinians who invaded the Falklands and the Brits who took > it back met up for the weekend. All buddies. > > Carlisle???? they speak worse English up there than you do.... > Heh! Heh! > > Cheers > > Pat :-) > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:36 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: Black Friday Not Kolb related - delete do not archive But if you guys want to save a lot of time and misery shopping (guys hate to shop) You can do it this morning on-line before they sell out and avoid sending your wives to the malls in the morning. http://www.blackfriday.info/online/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:07 AM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Kolb-List: Where is everybody Hi all, As a relatively new member to this list, ( MK-3 owner, for a year in 1996 ), & recently acquired MK-3 owner again), I see posting from people all over the place, with hints of who has what plane & their locations. For instance, the guy that has a MK-# 2 miles off of I-81 & the guy in Nashville thinking of building a MK-3. My question is this, is there a map, or listing available that shows who`s got what Kolb model & geographically where they are? Thanks, Jim In Cookeville, TN ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:22 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Where is everybody My question is this, is there a map, or listing available that shows who`s got what Kolb model & geographically where they are? Thanks, Jim In Cookeville, TN Jim: Try this: http://www.frappr.com/kolbaircraft john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:26 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info At 09:18 AM 11/23/2006, you wrote: > >One of the posts linked to a guy outing the trick. >There's a fake shoe and pantleg front, notice the legs are always >together. Fun illusion though. >do not archive: Most people that out the trick - don't know the trick and have never seen the trick. Not so much the pant leg as the magnets. That's why it cost so much. This is not for the inexperienced. These can break fingers if a mistake is made. This is absolutely the strongest, most dangerous product they carry. Please, don't buy these unless you know what you're doing and are prepared to store it carefully away from children and other folks inexperienced with large, dangerous magnets. I'm not outing the trick either - it's way too expensive for what you get in materials, but you'll never figure it out yourself. And yes - like Larry says "Possums, you are so full of crap" That would be me. http://www.forcefieldmagnets.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=87 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:53 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info I forgot - don't order this thing or the parts and put it anywhere near your computer, else your hard drive will be "reformatted" erased etc. - for free. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:11 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info At 12:16 PM 11/23/2006, you wrote: > >At 09:18 AM 11/23/2006, you wrote: >> >>One of the posts linked to a guy outing the trick. And you'll need two of these too. http://www.forcefieldmagnets.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=165 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:17 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info Remember strong magnets will wipe credit cards clean! -- no fair sticking a couple in your wife's purse. do not archive On Nov 23, 2006, at 12:16 PM, possums wrote: > > At 09:18 AM 11/23/2006, you wrote: >> >> One of the posts linked to a guy outing the trick. >> There's a fake shoe and pantleg front, notice the legs are always >> together. Fun illusion though. >> do not archive: > > Most people that out the trick - don't know the trick and > have never seen the trick. > Not so much the pant leg as the magnets. > That's why it cost so much. > This is not for the inexperienced. These can break fingers if a > mistake is made. This is absolutely the strongest, most dangerous > product they carry. Please, don't buy these unless you know what > you're doing and are prepared to store it carefully away from > children and other folks inexperienced with large, dangerous magnets. > I'm not outing the trick either - it's way too expensive for what > you get in materials, but > you'll never figure it out yourself. > And yes - like Larry says "Possums, you are so full of crap" > That would be me. > > http://www.forcefieldmagnets.com/catalog/product_info.php? > products_id=87 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:50 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info At 12:49 PM 11/23/2006, you wrote: > >Remember strong magnets will wipe credit cards clean! -- no fair >sticking a couple in your wife's purse. >do not archive No Russ - that's what these are usually ordered for. They don't need to be "in her purse" Just put them within 15 feet of her purse. January credit card statements are a lot nicer. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:46 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Info Possums You have MAAAHVELLOUS ideas! Thanx do not archive On Nov 23, 2006, at 1:09 PM, possums wrote: > > At 12:49 PM 11/23/2006, you wrote: >> >> Remember strong magnets will wipe credit cards clean! -- no fair >> sticking a couple in your wife's purse. >> do not archive > > No Russ - that's what these are usually ordered for. > They don't need to be "in her purse" > Just put them within 15 feet of her purse. > January credit card statements are a lot nicer. > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:04 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Where is everybody Jim, My computer or my dialup connection doesn't agree with the website referenced below so I probably am not listed on it. I am located in Etowah, TN, just a few miles SE of you and I fly a MK 3 with 912 engine. Kip Laurie did have a database that was very useful for the info you are looking for but I think it is down now. Anyone know about the database? Steven Green Etowah, TN N58SG do not archive > My question is this, is there a map, or listing available that shows > who`s got what Kolb model & geographically where they are? > > Thanks, Jim In Cookeville, TN > > Jim: > > Try this: > > http://www.frappr.com/kolbaircraft > > john h > mkIII > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:53 PM PST US From: "John Murr" Subject: Kolb-List: Spark Plug Gap Question Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I'm changing plugs in my 503 and I was wondering what the gap should be? The plugs are NGK BR8ES. Thank you! John Murr Original Firestar 503 DCDI ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:38 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spark Plug Gap Question should be? | The plugs are NGK BR8ES. | | John Murr John M: Kodiak has all the manuals for all the engines on the web. Download and check it out: http://www.kodiakbs.com/tiintro.htm john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:07 PM PST US From: "John Murr" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spark Plug Gap Question Thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spark Plug Gap Question > > > should be? > > > John M: > > Kodiak has all the manuals for all the engines on the web. Download > and check it out: > > http://www.kodiakbs.com/tiintro.htm > > john h > mkIII > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:58 PM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spark Plug Gap Question In a message dated 11/23/2006 4:42:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, jdm@wideworld.net writes: I'm changing plugs in my 503 and I was wondering what the gap should be? The plugs are NGK BR8ES. Thank you! John Murr My book says ".016- .020". I use a flat feeler guage & set to a snug .017". Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:33 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Where is everybody The various frapper sites I've visited take a looooong time to load on dialup. Charlie Steven Green wrote: > >Jim, > >My computer or my dialup connection doesn't agree with the website >referenced below so I probably am not listed on it. I am located in Etowah, >TN, just a few miles SE of you and I fly a MK 3 with 912 engine. > >Kip Laurie did have a database that was very useful for the info you are >looking for but I think it is down now. Anyone know about the database? > >Steven Green >Etowah, TN >N58SG > >do not archive > > >> My question is this, is there a map, or listing available that shows >>who`s got what Kolb model & geographically where they are? >> >>Thanks, Jim In Cookeville, TN >> >>Jim: >> >>Try this: >> >>http://www.frappr.com/kolbaircraft >> >>john h >>mkIII >> >> ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:52 PM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Where is everybody Hello Jim, Welcome back to Kolb flying! I am a newbie myself, picked up a Firestar II with 503 about a year ago, but still am working on finding the time to get some training before I take her up. Has been my favorite line of aircraft for many years walking the vendor section at Oshkosh, and finally have one in the backyard! I am located in Manchester, not very far from you. GPS coords 3529.59N 08602.44W I built a small grass strip here and am currently working on the hangar. About half way complete with that project. I think you will find this email group to be very informative and helpful... with a great sense of humor and an occasional surprise or two! Its full of great folks who love flying Kolbs. There is a great flying club in the Nashville area I would highly recommend you check out, Middle Tennessee Ultralight Group. They usually meet the 3rd Thursday each month at BNA. Talk a look at their website http://www.mtug.us/index.php Maybe will see you at a meeting soon! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive Jim Kmet wrote: Hi all, As a relatively new member to this list, ( MK-3 owner, for a year in 1996 ), & recently acquired MK-3 owner again), I see posting from people all over the place, with hints of who has what plane & their locations. For instance, the guy that has a MK-# 2 miles off of I-81 & the guy in Nashville thinking of building a MK-3. My question is this, is there a map, or listing available that shows who`s got what Kolb model & geographically where they are? Thanks, Jim In Cookeville, TN --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:01 PM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hangar update Jerb, Thanks for the comments on the shop construction. You are very observant, yes, the building sidewalls are nested in a trough groove along the foundation. Your concerns about water damage is a legitimate one, were the walls to be left standing in the open trough. But once the building is completed, squared, level and bolts tightened these troughs will be filled in with a concrete grout. Attached is a picture of my brother in laws building we erected over 10 years ago showing the grouted in wall. The grout fills in the trough area both inside and outside the wall. This is one of this buildings strong points, as after the grouting process the building has been rated to withstand 125 MPH winds. Its overall design is an extremely strong method of construction and very easy to assemble without the need for a professional crew (me, my dad, sisters, nieces and nephews are putting this up ourselves!). The sheet metal skin acts as the structure so there are no beams, poles or other structure needed. After building my bro in laws, I was quick to buy one for myself but it took me 10 years to find the right place to set it up! Glad its finally going up! If anyone has any question about its construction, please feel free to ask. Will post a few more pics as work progresses. Sure hope all are having a great holiday weekend! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 Do not archive jerb wrote: Mike, Like the looks of your building. Please excuse this silly question but looking at your pad it appears you have a U channel at the edge in which the hangar side wall rest. Question is the channel temporary during erection or will it stay there. The reason I ask will not rain travel down the wall and fill it up channel - being at the same level as floor inside will not water come inside. A difference in height between the wall and inside floor is a good design to minimize that occurring, but with the outside edge it forms a channel with both being the same height might cause you water problems. I see where the channel would help during erection. If the outside perimeter of the channel were slightly lower than the level of the floor, it might prevent water migrating inside but I would be concerned about a rust problem over time with your wall setting in a trough of water and dirt. jerb At 06:20 AM 11/22/2006, you wrote: Good morning gang, Its been a while since i could send a message via this Yahoo email server... screwy software! Think i have it fixed, so heres a test message. After several long months waiting for the concrete work to be done, then weeks cleaning and prepping the building components (after over 9 years in storage), things are finally taking shape! With the weather being very favorable the next few days, hope to complete the major part of construction in that time. That is as long as my crew can hang in that long! (Family, free labor, cant complain!) I hope everyone has an enjoyable, happy and safe holiday weekend! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive Click now to apply --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:10 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Spark Plug Gap Question From: "John Jung" > I'm changing plugs in my 503 and I was wondering what the gap should be? > My 503 with gual Ducati ignition is supposed to have plug gaps of .014 - .018 per the manual. I can be hard to start if the plug gap is larger than spec. -------- John Jung Firestar II N6163J Surprise, AZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76625#76625 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:37 PM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Spark Plug Gap Question In a message dated 11/23/2006 10:44:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, jrjungjr@yahoo.com writes: My 503 with gual Ducati ignition is supposed to have plug gaps of .014 - .018 per the manual. I can be hard to start if the plug gap is larger than spec. -------- John Jung Firestar II N6163J Surprise, AZ The manual I have came with my 503 DCDI purchased in late '98; I wonder if Rotax changed the gap spec. sometime after that........... Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:53 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Spark Plug Gap Question wonder if | Rotax changed the gap spec. sometime after that........... | | Howard Shackleford Shack: Look it up here: http://www.kodiakbs.com/tiintro.htm john h mkIII ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.