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1. 03:00 AM - Re: Dual Elevator Cables (noel anderson)
2. 03:46 AM - Re: Dual Elevator Cables (pat ladd)
3. 05:19 AM - Re: Dual Elevator Cables (David Lehman)
4. 05:19 AM - Used 582 engine for sale (Eugene Zimmerman)
5. 05:41 AM - Re: Used 582 engine for sale (David Lehman)
6. 06:09 AM - Re: Firestar Rudder Cables (John Hauck)
7. 06:20 AM - Re: Firestar Rudder Cables (John Hauck)
8. 06:51 AM - Cables, pulleys and nico press swages (Richard Girard)
9. 06:55 AM - Re: Control Cable (Thom Riddle)
10. 07:01 AM - Re: Used 582 engine for sale (Eugene Zimmerman)
11. 08:12 AM - Re: Dual Elevator Cables (pat ladd)
12. 08:16 AM - Re: carburetor ice question (hillstw)
13. 08:41 AM - Re: Dual Elevator Cables (David Lehman)
14. 08:46 AM - Re: Dual Elevator Cables (Richard Pike)
15. 08:47 AM - Re: Dual Elevator Cables (robert bean)
16. 09:38 AM - Re: Dual Elevator Cables (FS2Kolb@aol.com)
17. 10:10 AM - Ultrastar (Dana Hague)
18. 10:17 AM - Re: Dual Elevator Cables (Ed Chmielewski)
19. 10:40 AM - Re: Cables, pulleys and nico press swages (Jim Baker)
20. 11:23 AM - Re: Cables, pulleys and nico press swages (John Hauck)
21. 12:24 PM - Re: Cables, pulleys and nico press swages (Richard Girard)
22. 12:32 PM - Re: Control Cable (Ralph)
23. 01:46 PM - Re: Dual Elevator Cables (George Thompson)
24. 06:33 PM - Re: Control Cable (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
25. 07:11 PM - Re: Dual Elevator Cables (N27SB@aol.com)
26. 08:30 PM - Rudder Cables (Edward Bonsell)
27. 11:31 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
28. 11:36 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Elevator Cables |
Hi List. Is it the cable it's self that breaks, or the crimping?? John H.
is right, it's hard to break "The Cable"in normal use!!! There is a
possability that the cable at, or in, the crimp could "work harden" over
time and snap a number of strands, thus reducing the strength. Just my
$0.02. Fly safe. Noel
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dual Elevator Cables
>
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> Anybody know of a yahoo breaking a 3/32" aircraft cable on an elevator
> on a mkIII? That cable has a breaking strength of 920 lbs.
>
> If you double your 3/32" cable you will end up with about 1840 lbs.
>
> If you go to a single 1/8" cable you will have to exert 1700 lbs to
> break that cable.
>
> Tell me, please. How the hell is anyone going to exert that much load
> on that little bitty elevator???
>
> Another note. Don't think Homer Kolb would have put us in jeopardy by
> using a cable that was not strong enough to do the job. I am not a
> mathematician or an engineer, so I don't know how much load is
> possible to apply to the elevator. I have an idea though, that those
> little 5/16" aluminum tubes in the elevator are going to bend and
> break long before one overloads the cable.
>
> Since I have a habit of breaking Homer's airplanes, I used a single
> 1/8" cable on my up elevator.
>
> Of note is my pitch trim system cable which is 1/16" cable. 1/16"
> cable has a breaking strength of 480 lbs. That is what we used for
> tail wire bracing on the Ultrastar. Normally, my nose up trim is
> carrying the up elevator flight load. That tiny cable has been doing
> all that work for more than 2500 hours without as much of a whine.
>
> But........if it makes you feel better, make'em redundant.
>
> Let's see. The Piper Cubs and other small Piper aircraft all use 1/8"
> elevator cable. Taylorcraft, same same. Wonder why the FAA did not
> make them go redundant?
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Elevator Cables |
Sure would love to know what DID happen>>
Hi Earl,
isn`t there an automatic FAA investigation in the case of an accident,
particularly a fatal one. There would here in the UK so that in the case of
a mechanical or structural failure being found a mod. or a warning could be
circulated. In the worst case of course all planes of that type would be
grounded until the cause of the crash was determined.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Elevator Cables |
Pat...
It works a little differently here... The FAA does indeed investigate most
"N" numbered accidents, but because amateur-built aircraft are not built to
a "standard" like "store bought" aircraft, they don't issue airworthiness
directives and/or "ground" amateur-builts...
In the past, the NTSOB hasn't hands-on investigated amateur-built aircraft
accidents (unless they were high exposure, ala John Denver), but lately
there seems to be a little more interest in them...
DVD
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On 12/1/06, pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sure would love to know what DID happen>>
>
> Hi Earl,
>
> isn`t there an automatic FAA investigation in the case of an accident,
> particularly a fatal one. There would here in the UK so that in the case
> of
> a mechanical or structural failure being found a mod. or a warning could
> be
> circulated. In the worst case of course all planes of that type would be
> grounded until the cause of the crash was determined.
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Used 582 engine for sale |
If any one is looking for a used 582 Rotax engine I have the one on
my Firestar for sale on E-Bay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/COMPLETE-ROTAX-582-ULTRALIGHT-AIRCRAFT-ENGINE-
WITH-
PROP_W0QQitemZ270059742602QQihZ017QQcategoryZ26437QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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| Subject: | Re: Used 582 engine for sale |
Eugene...
This link will work better...
*http://tinyurl.com/tx27z*
DVD
On 12/1/06, Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> If any one is looking for a used 582 Rotax engine I have the one on
> my Firestar for sale on E-Bay.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/COMPLETE-ROTAX-582-ULTRALIGHT-AIRCRAFT-ENGINE-
> WITH-
> PROP_W0QQitemZ270059742602QQihZ017QQcategoryZ26437QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Rudder Cables |
The last time it came up I believe it was best to leave a little bit
of the cable end sticking out after the 2nd nicopress? Do I remember
that correctly?
Ed
Morning Ed:
That's the way I do it.
Here is a diagram off the NICOPRESS web site.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Rudder Cables |
Ed B:
Forgot to mention, get a Go/No Go Gauge to check your Nicopress Sleeve
crimps to insure you have made a good one.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Cables, pulleys and nico press swages |
All snowed in and no where to go here on the Great Grass Desert.
First, a single nico sleeve of the proper size and properly swaged is as
strong as the cable it is installed on. A second nico actually decreases the
cables strength. If you leave cable sticking out of the second one, then it
has no purpose whatsoever. Its only function is to keep you from getting
those nasty little holes in your finger.
Those who have mentioned finding broken strands don't say what type of cable
they have. 7 X 7? 7 X 19? 1 X 19? Each type of construction has its own
place. Since pulleys are mentioned, it probably isn't 1 X 19. This is what
throttle and choke cables are made from because it's pretty stiff and will
take a bit of a compression load when the cable is pushed instead of pulled.
7 X 19 on the other hand is very soft, relatively speaking, and will work
better when a small pulley must be used. Generally speaking 7 X 7
construction is probably what most of us have. Incidentally, the numbers
refer to the number of wires in each bundle and the number of bundles in the
cable. 1 X 19 has 1 wire in each bundle and 19 bundles in the cable. 7 X 19
has 7 wires per bundle and 19 bundles per cable.
What material? Common aircraft cable is just carbon steel, hence the oil to
protect it from corrosion. Stainless Steel is dry, usually, and if you get
it from a boat shop, like West Marine, is usually pre stretched. Whenever
possible I try to use pre stretched SS 7 X 7 rather than carbon steel
because the lubricant attracts dirt and gets all over everything it touches.
Pulleys are sized by the cable and degree of bend the cable must make. Too
small a pulley increases the internal strain on the individual wire in the
cable, and eventually these little wires give up. All of this can be found
in FAA publication AC 43.13 1b and 2a, "Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and
Practices - Aircraft Inspection and Repair", about $20 from ASA and
available from shops like Sporty's. It's also available on line at FAA.gov.
Go to Advisory Circulars (AC's).
Cable strengths are deceiving, the numbers sound high but don't take into
account dynamic loads. In the early days of hang gliding at least one
manufacturer used 1/8" 7 X 7 with swaged on terminals as a hang strap for
the pilot. They looked at the stregth of the cable and thought 9G load,
perfect. What they didn't count on was the dynamic loads produced, in this
case, when the aircraft was transitioning the shear at the boundary of a
thermal. The pilot would go weightless and put slack in the cable, when he
fell back the cable snapped. Those who had backup hang straps of tubular
nylon strap lived to tell the tale, others didn't. My point here is don't
look at breaking strength, look at safe working load and use that number
instead.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Control Cable |
For those of you who do not have your very own AC 43.13, here is a link to the
section about aircraft cables. Very informative.
http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH7_8.pdf
Here it is in as a Tiny URL, in case the previous one line wraps.
http://tinyurl.com/ymlu68
--------
Thom in Buffalo
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78391#78391
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| Subject: | Re: Used 582 engine for sale |
Thanks Dave,
On Dec 1, 2006, at 8:41 AM, David Lehman wrote:
> Eugene...
>
> This link will work better...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/tx27z
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Elevator Cables |
because amateur-built aircraft are not built to a "standard" like "store
bought" aircraft, >>
Hi David,
does that mean that anyone can build a plane (within the ultralight
limits) and just fly it? No one checks the validity of the design or
the workmanship?
Here the CAA has devolved inspection/certification etc to the Popular
Flying Assoc. Roughly like the EAA. You can certainly build your own
design if you wish but the plans will have to be passed by the PFA and
the building will be checked at intervals by an PFA Inspector. In the
case of ulralights by the British Microlight Assoc.
No one can just build and fly what they like if it has an engine. If you
want to build a glider and have a large farm then you can get away with
it.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: carburetor ice question |
Arksey:
Hope you are in warm Florida, enjoying the Kolb. Did you get the engine
stoppage figured out?
It is very cold and snowy here--about 10-12" on the ground. --no time
to be flying.
Best regards.
Jimmy Hill
----- Original Message -----
From: Arksey@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: carburetor ice question
Hello Group,
Has anyone had carburetor ice problems running a 503 rotax? I had
to land in a hayfield today, engine was running sporadic, pulled on some
enricher and that did not seem to help, could not reach to primer or i
would have tried that, kept loosing RPM, engine quit when I throttled
back to land. After landing I pulled engine thru and it was not seized
up so i checked things over, there seemed to be fuel in the carb. when I
pumped the primer bulb so i tried to start engine and it started ran ok
and developed full RPM's I checked the mags and took off as I was
only about 1 mile from my strip. It ran fine. However I now want to
determine what was wrong...The condition's was excellent for carb.
icing, but I have not much time on 2 cycle engines and am not familiar
with them as pertaining to carb. ice.
Thanks in advance for your imput....and by the way the Kolb
handled a wet hay field very good.
firestar ll 503 dual carb and ing.
jim swan MI
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Elevator Cables |
Pat...
The FAA says that you're building it for your "education and recreation"...
Want to use garage doors for wings, no problem, but your operating
limitations will probably state that your test time/area will be 100 hours
within a 1 mile radius of Nowhere... The EAA did an excellent job of
lobbying the CAA/FAA to allow builders to be creative, the FAA's primary
concern in this arena is to protect persons (not particularly the pilot) and
property from the aircraft, therefore the limitations...
All that said, I'm referring to "N" numbered aircraft, ultralights all but
don't exist in the FAA's eyes... Ultralights have to live within our Part
103 regulations, but the FAA doesn't expend much of their resources to check
compliance...
DVD
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On 12/1/06, pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> because amateur-built aircraft are not built to a "standard" like "store
> bought" aircraft, >>
>
> Hi David,
>
> does that mean that anyone can build a plane (within the ultralight
> limits) and just fly it? No one checks the validity of the design or the
> workmanship?
>
> Here the CAA has devolved inspection/certification etc to the Popular
> Flying Assoc. Roughly like the EAA. You can certainly build your own design
> if you wish but the plans will have to be passed by the PFA and the
> building will be checked at intervals by an PFA Inspector. In the case of
> ulralights by the British Microlight Assoc.
> No one can just build and fly what they like if it has an engine. If you
> want to build a glider and have a large farm then you can get away with it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Elevator Cables |
That is correct. We can build and attempt to fly anything we like, as
long as it meets the specs of FAR 103. Our government still allows us
the freedom to do what we want (even be stupid) as long as we don't hurt
someone else in the process. And I guess it is working - How many
innocent bystanders/uninvolved third parties have been taken out by a
legal ultralight? Some? A few? None?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: pat ladd
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dual Elevator Cables
because amateur-built aircraft are not built to a "standard" like
"store bought" aircraft, >>
Hi David,
does that mean that anyone can build a plane (within the ultralight
limits) and just fly it? No one checks the validity of the design or
the workmanship?
<snip>
Cheers
Pat
DNA
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Elevator Cables |
I think we could carve an airplane from a block of cheese and pass
inspection
if it had a good W &B. Don't have to meet noise standards like in Yurp.
No emissions requirements either although Limburger might offend the
neighbors.
-vermont sharp cheddar lover
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On 1, Dec 2006, at 11:10 AM, pat ladd wrote:
> because amateur-built aircraft are not built to a "standard" like
> "store bought" aircraft, >>
> -
> Hi David,
> -
> does that mean that anyone can build a plane (within the ultralight
> limits) and just fly it?- No one checks the validity of the design
or
> the workmanship?
> -
> Here the CAA has devolved inspection/certification etc to the Popular
> Flying Assoc. Roughly like the EAA. You can certainly build your own
> design if you wish but the plans will have to be passed by the PFA and
> the building-will be checked at intervals by an PFA Inspector.-In
the
> case of ulralights by the British Microlight Assoc.
> No one can just build and fly what they like if it has an engine. If
> you want to build a glider and have a large farm then you can get away
> with it.
> -
> Cheers
> -
> Pat
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Elevator Cables |
In a message dated 12/1/2006 9:14:42 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
does that mean that anyone can build a plane (within the ultralight limits)
and just fly it? No one checks the validity of the design or the workmanship?
That's right..
God Bless American, land of the free.
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Hi all,
I'm new to this list. I have an opportunity to buy an Ultrastar
locally. As far as I know it's in very good condition, always hangared,
Cuyuna engine, $3000 with an enclosed trailer which I gather is a pretty
good price (might be even less). The impression I get from the archives is
that everybody seems to love these birds. Anyway, a few questions:
Will it be a "true legal" 103 machine (<254#)?
Would it still make weight if the engine was replaced, say, with a 447?
How long does it take to fold / unfold the wings with one person? Is it
feasible to expect to keep it at home and set it up every time I want to
fly it? Alternately, I may be able keep it in a shared hangar cheaper, if
I keep it folded.
What kind of winds can it handle (with an experienced pilot)?
Anything special to look for before buying it?
By way of background, I've got hundreds of hours in a Taylorcraft (so the
tailwheel doesn't worry me) and enough time in Quicksilvers to be
comfortable at that end of the spectrum. Still working on the wife about
whether we can properly afford it, though...
Might also be a Firefly or two (I think that's what they are) available...
the airport is closing, and one of thse has been sitting in the hangar for
several years now, never seeing the light of day. Owner won't sell... but
he might, now, if he has no place to put it. Do the wings on those fold
just as easy?
-Dana
--
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The family that shoots together..... shouldn't be messed with!
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Elevator Cables |
Not so quick on the flag-wavin', there...
Aircraft returning from Europe (for sale here in the States) have some
improvements our Friendly Aviation Advisers didn't deem necessary in the
original design, i.e.; high-amp-draw warning lights, low oil-pressure
lights, etc.
We do, however, have the best government money can buy!
"A courtroom is the place where justice is dispensed with." - Horace
Rumpole, 'Rumpole of the Bailey'
I think John H. and Dennis S. have spoken volumes. I believe Homer's
designs are more than adequate, no need for dual cables. FWIW, I had a
3/16 SAS (Stability Augmentation System, sort of an artificial
stall-warning) cable on a Merlin IIIB fail. Not catastrophic, but goes
to show cables can fail when abused (this one was pinched). Electrical
problems in that bird got one's attention tho, as the full-flying stab
was only driven electrically.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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----- Original Message -----
From: FS2Kolb@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dual Elevator Cables
In a message dated 12/1/2006 9:14:42 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
does that mean that anyone can build a plane (within the ultralight
limits) and just fly it? No one checks the validity of the design or
the workmanship?
That's right..
God Bless American, land of the free.
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| Subject: | Re: Cables, pulleys and nico press swages |
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Rick has some good points.....
> A second nico actually decreases the cables strength.
Any supporting data? Testing?
If you leave cable sticking out
> of the second one, then it has no purpose whatsoever. Its only function is to
keep you from
> getting those nasty little holes in your finger.
Perhaps on the second but necessary on the first Nicopress
sleeve if that is the only one used. The sleeve elongates from
the press and having the end stick out ensures full coverage. I
suspect the second sleeve was to cover those who don't know
about proper procedures or didn't take the time to measure the
final swaged product for conformity.
> Stainless Steel is dry, usually, and if you get it from a boat shop, like West
Marine, is
> usually pre stretched.
Just for clarity.....
Elastic stretch is the result of the inherent elasticity, or
recoverable deformation, of the metal itself. Since the elastic
properties of a given cable can be determined, elongation due to
elastic stretch is predictable. This is not the pre-stretch
mentioned.
Constructional stretch occurs when cable is loaded for the first
time. When a cable is first loaded, the helically-wound wires
and strands are pulled more tightly together, compressing the
core and bringing all of the cable elements into closer contact.
This results in a slight reduction in diameter and a corresponding
increase in length. Some types of high strength cable, such as
prestressing strand,are commercially available with
constructional stretch removed by preloading at the factory.
Such cable will conform to the requirements for ASTM
Designation A586 (structural strand) or ASTM Designation A603
(structural rope), and will be clearly identified as prestretched
cable.
Unless I saw the ASTM designation for the cable involved, I'd
consider the seller's statement of pre-stretch as marketing hype.
Does pre-stretch make a difference in UL applications? Do the
math and see if you have any concerns....
Delta CS = (applied load / (.65 x Cable strength)) x (CS%) x (L)
CS in feet, CS% as given by the mfg, L in feet, and applied load
and cable strength in pounds.
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Cables, pulleys and nico press swages |
----- | If you leave cable sticking out
| > of the second one, then it has no purpose whatsoever. Its only
function is to keep you from
| > getting those nasty little holes in your finger.
Folks:
We went through this cable thing several years ago, especially leaving
a short piece of the cable tail extended past the sleeve.
If I understand correctly, keeping the tail inside the second sleeve
is like putting the cable in a shear. Most folks would cut the cable
end square. Then put this under tremendous load from the compression
tool on the sleeve against the other cable. What we have is a 90
degree shearing force from the tucked end on the opposite cable. I am
willing to take the nicks from the cable ends over the possibility of
weakening the splice with a tucked end. Through the years I have seen
several ultralight manufacturers tuck the ends of cables. Most
notably, Eipper. When questioned about this practice I got the
standard answer of, "that's the way we do it."
Some where I have read about using second sleeve for 3/32 and smaller
cable. Might have been Tony Bingelis' Book, or one of his books.
Have to get them out, dust them off, and do some refresher training.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Cables, pulleys and nico press swages |
John, I'll go with AC 43.13, National Telephone Co (the people who developed
the Nico process) and 20 years of flying Wills Wing hang gliders. Do the
swage right, leave the tail out, and use a piece of heavy, clear heat shrink
tubing to protect your fingers. Anything more is excess weight and work.
What can go wrong with a second swage? Bubbles, where the cable does not lay
back parallel to itself, and twists where the two nicos are not parallel.
Both will work the cable and are unacceptable workmanship. I still think
Mike Riggs had it right in the Seagull 3 plans. The second nico does nothing
but tie down the wire tail.
Rick
On 12/1/06, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> ----- | If you leave cable sticking out
> function is to keep you from
>
> Folks:
>
> We went through this cable thing several years ago, especially leaving
> a short piece of the cable tail extended past the sleeve.
>
> If I understand correctly, keeping the tail inside the second sleeve
> is like putting the cable in a shear. Most folks would cut the cable
> end square. Then put this under tremendous load from the compression
> tool on the sleeve against the other cable. What we have is a 90
> degree shearing force from the tucked end on the opposite cable. I am
> willing to take the nicks from the cable ends over the possibility of
> weakening the splice with a tucked end. Through the years I have seen
> several ultralight manufacturers tuck the ends of cables. Most
> notably, Eipper. When questioned about this practice I got the
> standard answer of, "that's the way we do it."
>
> Some where I have read about using second sleeve for 3/32 and smaller
> cable. Might have been Tony Bingelis' Book, or one of his books.
> Have to get them out, dust them off, and do some refresher training.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Control Cable |
I have two nicros at each end of the cable. The ends of the cable are
just inside the end of the last nicro in the uncompressed part.
Testing? Is 20 years 810 hours long enough?
I've noticed the cables have stretched. I will replace them in a
couple of years. There are no broken strands under the pulleys even
when they are twisted backwards. The cables have lasted a long time
due to the light load and the small angle around the pulleys.
Ralph
Original Firestar
20 years flying it
-- "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com> wrote:
John, sorry about not posting the hours. I have 810 hours on the
Firestar in 20 years. I'm a weekend flyer.
Ralph
Original Firestar
-- "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
20
| years of flying my Kolb. I've inspected them many times and they are
| still good.
|
| Ralph
Hi Ralph:
That is great!
Now, how does 20 years flying equate to hours flown?
Flight hours gives us a better idea of how much use/wear has been
placed on a piece of equipment. Most Kolb owners don't fly 50 hours
a
year, and many of them do not log their flight time.
Guess you are getting geared up to start flying off the ice. :-)
john h
mkIII
I change mine out about every 1,000 hours.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Elevator Cables |
The FAA-NTSB took the plane to Phoenix to be examined. However they said it
is way down the line on the list of planes to be looked at. I am afraid that
it will be months before we get any word on the cause.
George Thompson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dual Elevator Cables
>
> Sure would love to know what DID happen>>
>
> Hi Earl,
>
> isn`t there an automatic FAA investigation in the case of an accident,
> particularly a fatal one. There would here in the UK so that in the case
> of a mechanical or structural failure being found a mod. or a warning
> could be circulated. In the worst case of course all planes of that type
> would be grounded until the cause of the crash was determined.
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control Cable |
In a message dated 12/1/2006 3:35:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ul15rhb@juno.com writes:
Testing? Is 20 years 810 hours long enough?
Hi there Ralph,
I see that you are heeding John Haucks advice and including testing data
now. hehehe
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Elevator Cables |
In a message dated 12/1/2006 11:14:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
does that mean that anyone can build a plane (within the ultralight limits)
and just fly it?
"Land of the Free, Home of the Brave"
Hope it stays that way.
Steve
FF007
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Cables may not look bad at first sight. If you remove the cable and bend
it where it went around the pulley, some threads may break from bending
it the opposite way. Rubbing a piece of tissue on the cable will find
broken threads. It rips off on the sharp ends. Watch your fingers the
threads are sharp.
Also, Eugene said:
>To the best of my knowledge both planes had the cables that were
>supplied with the kits from kolb. I don't recall if they were
>stainless or galvanized but stainless definitely is inferior and
>should be avoided for this application IMHO.
Is this true? I got stainless cable to replace mine. Maybe I should have
gotten the Galvanized cable?
Ed
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| Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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