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1. 07:16 AM - LSA expo (robert bean)
2. 09:52 AM - To Transition to E-LSA or Not (TheWanderingWench)
3. 10:21 AM - Re: LSA expo (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
4. 10:24 AM - Re: To Transition to E-LSA or Not (Jim Kmet)
5. 02:56 PM - Re: Electric Carb Heater? (planecrazzzy)
6. 04:01 PM - Re: To Transition to E-LSA or Not (TheWanderingWench)
7. 04:17 PM - Re: To Transition to E-LSA or Not (David Lehman)
8. 05:17 PM - Re: To Transition to E-LSA or Not (Dana Hague)
9. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: Electric Carb Heater? (Dana Hague)
10. 06:07 PM - Re: Electric Carb Heater? (planecrazzzy)
11. 09:00 PM - Re: To Transition to E-LSA or Not (David Lehman)
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Group, this looks like an interesting event to view the new and
improved competition and ideas in the LSA market:
http://www.sport-aviation-expo.com/index.htm
I'll be on Jupiter Island that week and plan to drive over for a
looksee.
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| Subject: | To Transition to E-LSA or Not |
A number of Kolbers have written about getting their
Sport Pilot license and converting their Kolbs to
E-SLA. I got an e-mail from a friend asking about
whether he should go the Sport Pilot route with his
Firestar. Here is my response - which might be of
interest to others who are facing the same choice.
Hi Roger,
You asked if you should consider transitioning to
Sport Pilot. If
you want the privileges of flying as a Sport Pilot,
then the answer is yes. Primary advantage is being
able to fly over congested areas - and not having to
give way to spam cans in the pattern. PLUS not having
to worry about being ramp checked and fined if you're
flying illegally...flying a "fat" single seater, (or,
after 1-31-2010, a 2-seater.)
But - if you don't care about those advantages and
you've got a legal ultralight, you might want to
continue flying as an ultralight. The disadvantage to
Light Sport is cost,
cost, cost. Here's what it cost me out-of-pocket - not
to mention the study and prep time and the stress!!
Airworthiness certificate - $ 0
BUT - the FAA out of the Hillsboro FSDO did my
inspection . If you don't have an FAA inspector close
by, you'll have to find a volunteer DAR (usually an
EAA member) or pay a DAR to do the inspection.
N-Number $15
I spent $10 to reserve the N-number I wanted, and $5
to register it.
EAA's package to transition your ultralight. $20
This takes you step-by-step through the process and I
found it well worth the money.
Now - the cost for a Sport Pilot license. (None of
this is applicable if you already have a Private Pilot
license. If so, you only need a proficiency checkride
and endorsement to fly an E-SLA.)
Study materials for the Sport Pilot license.
Gleim books for the Knowledge test and the
oral/practical: $40 ($20 each)
King Video course (for the Knowledge exam alone) $139
(I see that King has raised their cost to $239.)
Knowledge exam $90
I took the computerized exam taken at a local
community
college. LazerGrade coordinates the exam with the
college and charges the fee. You can also take it at
many FBOs. Check on-line for what's available in
your area.
Oral and flight exam $750
Brian and Carol Carpenter came to Sandy River Airport
so I could take my exam in my Drifter. If you go to
their FBO in Corning, they charge $375. BUT you'll
probably need transition training in their trainer to
take the flight exam - and I don't know what their
hourly charge is.
There are 4 DPEs in Orgon who can give you the oral
and flight exam - I don't know what they charge. Be
sure to ask about transition training time and costs
if you won't be taking the exam in your own plane.
If you transition your ultralight to an E-LSA you'll
definitely want to take a Repairman Inspection 16 hr.
course so you can do your own annuals instead of
trying to find an A & P who will do it (and who will
almost certainly charge you for it.)
Rainbow Aviation's course $375
They gave the course in Independence, OR 2 weeks ago,
and I was fortunate enough to be able to stay at a
friend's house instead of making the 1 3/4 hr. commute
each day. If you have to go to Corning, CA you'll be
adding in the cost of travel & lodging.
So my total cost for aircraft and pilot transition was
$1429...and a LOT of study prep time.
Arty
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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Bob et al:
Third year for this event. Can only get better. Currently, I plan to
attend Saturday, 13 Jan 07. Any interest, we could designate a time/place
for any Kolbers who are there to convene.
George
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:16 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: LSA expo
Group, this looks like an interesting event to view the new and improved
competition and ideas in the LSA market:
http://www.sport-aviation-expo.com/index.htm
I'll be on Jupiter Island that week and plan to drive over for a looksee.
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| Subject: | Re: To Transition to E-LSA or Not |
Arty, you mentioned that if you already Have a pilots liscense, all you need
is a" proficiency checkride & an endorsement." to fly an E-SLA" I have not
kept up with the regs that close on LSA, but I thought Private pilots could
exercise LSA privelidges, if they were already current, (BFR )? Could you
please verify I understood you correctly? Thanks, Jim
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From: "TheWanderingWench" <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: To Transition to E-LSA or Not
> <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
>
> A number of Kolbers have written about getting their
> Sport Pilot license and converting their Kolbs to
> E-SLA. I got an e-mail from a friend asking about
> whether he should go the Sport Pilot route with his
> Firestar. Here is my response - which might be of
> interest to others who are facing the same choice.
>
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> You asked if you should consider transitioning to
> Sport Pilot. If
> you want the privileges of flying as a Sport Pilot,
> then the answer is yes. Primary advantage is being
> able to fly over congested areas - and not having to
> give way to spam cans in the pattern. PLUS not having
> to worry about being ramp checked and fined if you're
> flying illegally...flying a "fat" single seater, (or,
> after 1-31-2010, a 2-seater.)
>
> But - if you don't care about those advantages and
> you've got a legal ultralight, you might want to
> continue flying as an ultralight. The disadvantage to
> Light Sport is cost,
> cost, cost. Here's what it cost me out-of-pocket - not
> to mention the study and prep time and the stress!!
>
> Airworthiness certificate - $ 0
> BUT - the FAA out of the Hillsboro FSDO did my
> inspection . If you don't have an FAA inspector close
> by, you'll have to find a volunteer DAR (usually an
> EAA member) or pay a DAR to do the inspection.
>
> N-Number $15
> I spent $10 to reserve the N-number I wanted, and $5
> to register it.
>
> EAA's package to transition your ultralight. $20
> This takes you step-by-step through the process and I
> found it well worth the money.
>
> Now - the cost for a Sport Pilot license. (None of
> this is applicable if you already have a Private Pilot
> license. If so, you only need a proficiency checkride
> and endorsement to fly an E-SLA.)
>
> Study materials for the Sport Pilot license.
> Gleim books for the Knowledge test and the
> oral/practical: $40 ($20 each)
> King Video course (for the Knowledge exam alone) $139
> (I see that King has raised their cost to $239. )
>
> Knowledge exam $90
> I took the computerized exam taken at a local
> community
> college. LazerGrade coordinates the exam with the
> college and charges the fee. You can also take it at
> many FBOs. Check on-line for what's available in
> your area.
>
> Oral and flight exam $750
> Brian and Carol Carpenter came to Sandy River Airport
> so I could take my exam in my Drifter. If you go to
> their FBO in Corning, they charge $375. BUT you'll
> probably need transition training in their trainer to
> take the flight exam - and I don't know what their
> hourly charge is.
> There are 4 DPEs in Orgon who can give you the oral
> and flight exam - I don't know what they charge. Be
> sure to ask about transition training time and costs
> if you won't be taking the exam in your own plane.
>
> If you transition your ultralight to an E-LSA you'll
> definitely want to take a Repairman Inspection 16 hr.
> course so you can do your own annuals instead of
> trying to find an A & P who will do it (and who will
> almost certainly charge you for it.)
>
> Rainbow Aviation's course $375
> They gave the course in Independence, OR 2 weeks ago,
> and I was fortunate enough to be able to stay at a
> friend's house instead of making the 1 3/4 hr. commute
> each day. If you have to go to Corning, CA you'll be
> adding in the cost of travel & lodging.
>
> So my total cost for aircraft and pilot transition was
> $1429...and a LOT of study prep time.
>
> Arty
>
>
> www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
>
> "Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
> Helen Keller
>
> "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Carb Heater? |
Hi John,
Back when I had to "put Down" because Carb Ice had my engine running
slow & ruff , I started looking into a Carb Heat...
I thought it was Aircraft Spruce who stocked them....for around $350
( Dual Carbs )
I "DID" talk to somebody that had them on their carbs , they said that it robbed
a little power , but he hadn't had the problem again....
it's more or less an electric "vest" for your carbs....
I guess the power loss is from warm air....?
I'm gonna see if I can hunt down the ones I'm talking about.....
and they were made for ROTAX
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
PS a picture of my new TIG machine / Next plane W-10 Tailwind
John Hauck wrote:
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> Mike:
>
> Do they work?
>
> john h
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| Subject: | Re: To Transition to E-LSA or Not |
Let me clarify. According to the FAA inspector who
did my airworthiness certificate, many PPL's are
suprised to find out that in order to fly an E-LSA or
S-LSA using their PPL with a driver's license (instead
of a current medical) they need a proficiency
checkride and a log book endorsement. That doesn't
apply to PPLs who have a current medial - they can fly
LSAs, both Experimental and Special without the
checkride and endorsement.
Arty
--- Jim Kmet <jlsk1@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> <jlsk1@frontiernet.net>
>
> Arty, you mentioned that if you already Have a
> pilots liscense, all you need
> is a" proficiency checkride & an endorsement." to
> fly an E-SLA" I have not
> kept up with the regs that close on LSA, but I
> thought Private pilots could
> exercise LSA privelidges, if they were already
> current, (BFR )? Could you
> please verify I understood you correctly? Thanks,
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TheWanderingWench"
> <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:51 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: To Transition to E-LSA or Not
>
>
>
> > <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
> >
> > A number of Kolbers have written about getting
> their
> > Sport Pilot license and converting their Kolbs to
> > E-SLA. I got an e-mail from a friend asking about
> > whether he should go the Sport Pilot route with
> his
> > Firestar. Here is my response - which might be of
> > interest to others who are facing the same choice.
> >
> >
> > Hi Roger,
> >
> > You asked if you should consider transitioning to
> > Sport Pilot. If
> > you want the privileges of flying as a Sport
> Pilot,
> > then the answer is yes. Primary advantage is being
> > able to fly over congested areas - and not having
> to
> > give way to spam cans in the pattern. PLUS not
> having
> > to worry about being ramp checked and fined if
> you're
> > flying illegally...flying a "fat" single seater,
> (or,
> > after 1-31-2010, a 2-seater.)
> >
> > But - if you don't care about those advantages and
> > you've got a legal ultralight, you might want to
> > continue flying as an ultralight. The disadvantage
> to
> > Light Sport is cost,
> > cost, cost. Here's what it cost me out-of-pocket -
> not
> > to mention the study and prep time and the
> stress!!
> >
> > Airworthiness certificate - $ 0
> > BUT - the FAA out of the Hillsboro FSDO did my
> > inspection . If you don't have an FAA inspector
> close
> > by, you'll have to find a volunteer DAR (usually
> an
> > EAA member) or pay a DAR to do the inspection.
> >
> > N-Number $15
> > I spent $10 to reserve the N-number I wanted, and
> $5
> > to register it.
> >
> > EAA's package to transition your ultralight. $20
> > This takes you step-by-step through the process
> and I
> > found it well worth the money.
> >
> > Now - the cost for a Sport Pilot license. (None
> of
> > this is applicable if you already have a Private
> Pilot
> > license. If so, you only need a proficiency
> checkride
> > and endorsement to fly an E-SLA.)
> >
> > Study materials for the Sport Pilot license.
> > Gleim books for the Knowledge test and the
> > oral/practical: $40 ($20 each)
> > King Video course (for the Knowledge exam alone)
> $139
> > (I see that King has raised their cost to $239. )
> >
> > Knowledge exam $90
> > I took the computerized exam taken at a local
> > community
> > college. LazerGrade coordinates the exam with the
> > college and charges the fee. You can also take it
> at
> > many FBOs. Check on-line for what's available in
> > your area.
> >
> > Oral and flight exam $750
> > Brian and Carol Carpenter came to Sandy River
> Airport
> > so I could take my exam in my Drifter. If you go
> to
> > their FBO in Corning, they charge $375. BUT
> you'll
> > probably need transition training in their trainer
> to
> > take the flight exam - and I don't know what their
> > hourly charge is.
> > There are 4 DPEs in Orgon who can give you the
> oral
> > and flight exam - I don't know what they charge.
> Be
> > sure to ask about transition training time and
> costs
> > if you won't be taking the exam in your own plane.
> >
> > If you transition your ultralight to an E-LSA
> you'll
> > definitely want to take a Repairman Inspection 16
> hr.
> > course so you can do your own annuals instead of
> > trying to find an A & P who will do it (and who
> will
> > almost certainly charge you for it.)
> >
> > Rainbow Aviation's course $375
> > They gave the course in Independence, OR 2 weeks
> ago,
> > and I was fortunate enough to be able to stay at a
> > friend's house instead of making the 1 3/4 hr.
> commute
> > each day. If you have to go to Corning, CA you'll
> be
> > adding in the cost of travel & lodging.
> >
> > So my total cost for aircraft and pilot transition
> was
> > $1429...and a LOT of study prep time.
> >
> > Arty
> >
> >
> > www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
> >
> > "Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
> > Helen Keller
> >
> > "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive
> safely at death."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To Transition to E-LSA or Not |
Arty...
Would you please give us the FAR that requires the "proficiency
checkride"...
Thanx...
DVD
On 12/12/06, TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
>
> Let me clarify. According to the FAA inspector who
> did my airworthiness certificate, many PPL's are
> suprised to find out that in order to fly an E-LSA or
> S-LSA using their PPL with a driver's license (instead
> of a current medical) they need a proficiency
> checkride and a log book endorsement. That doesn't
> apply to PPLs who have a current medial - they can fly
> LSAs, both Experimental and Special without the
> checkride and endorsement.
>
> Arty
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To Transition to E-LSA or Not |
It's the same logic they've always used. To exercise the privileges of a
commercial certificate, you need a class II medical. That's good for one
year. After one year, you can continue to fly operations that require a
class III medical (e.g. Private)... essentially a class II reverts to a
class III after one year, and is good for another year as a class III,
though that's not how they word it.
Same thing here. A Private pilot with a class III medical can exercise the
privileges of a Private pilot. With no medical, he can fly operations that
don't require a medical, i.e. SP privileges... with the attendant
restrictions. It DOES seem kinda silly.
Hmmm... what if you have plenty of logged time in a LSA while flying with a
Private and a medical, do you need to get a logbook endorsement the day
your medical expires? I think your BFR is good for both, though.
-Dana
At 07:17 PM 12/12/2006, David Lehman wrote:
>Arty...
>
>Would you please give us the FAR that requires the "proficiency checkride"...
>
>Thanx...
>
>DVD
>
>
>On 12/12/06, TheWanderingWench
><<mailto:thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>thewanderingwench@yahoo.com> wrote:
><<mailto:thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>thewanderingwench@yahoo.com >
>
>Let me clarify. According to the FAA inspector who
>did my airworthiness certificate, many PPL's are
>suprised to find out that in order to fly an E-LSA or
>S-LSA using their PPL with a driver's license (instead
>of a current medical) they need a proficiency
>checkride and a log book endorsement. That doesn't
>apply to PPLs who have a current medial - they can fly
>LSAs, both Experimental and Special without the
>checkride and endorsement.
>
>Arty
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Carb Heater? |
At 05:55 PM 12/12/2006, planecrazzzy wrote:
> I "DID" talk to somebody that had them on their carbs , they said that
> it robbed a little power , but he hadn't had the problem again....
>
> it's more or less an electric "vest" for your carbs....
>
> I guess the power loss is from warm air....?
Sure, you will have some power loss when you use carb heat; in fact that's
how you check that it's working (rpm drop) during your runup. But you
don't use it all the time, just for partial throttle operations (i.e.
descent and landing) since that's when you're susceptible to carb icing...
it's rarely a problem at cruise power or above.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Carb Heater? |
When I got "My" Carb Ice....it was on Take-off
The Carb Heat that I was trying to look up can't be found.... I do remember that
it was on "all" the time....
I saw the one listed in L.E.A.F. , I like the stuff that goes with it....A switch
and indicator light... That way you wouldn't have to have it on all the time....
When I got carb ice , I circled back to the runway.....hoping that the engine
would "Clear" , but it didn't , I circled a couple of times , but I was coming
down....not enough power.... I haven't gotten carb ice since...
( that was my Powered Parachute / 582 )
But I think the carb heat would have had time to work....
I don't think it would be that hard to make a carb heat box , using a little plumbing
from the exaust tubing....
I think I saw the temp needed is around 90 degrees , that shouldn't be hard to
do...
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: To Transition to E-LSA or Not |
Dana...
Your last statement covers it, the BFR is all that is required...
David
On 12/12/06, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> It's the same logic they've always used. To exercise the privileges of a
> commercial certificate, you need a class II medical. That's good for one
> year. After one year, you can continue to fly operations that require a
> class III medical (e.g. Private)... essentially a class II reverts to a
> class III after one year, and is good for another year as a class III,
> though that's not how they word it.
>
> Same thing here. A Private pilot with a class III medical can exercise
> the privileges of a Private pilot. With no medical, he can fly operations
> that don't require a medical, i.e. SP privileges... with the attendant
> restrictions. It DOES seem kinda silly.
>
> Hmmm... what if you have plenty of logged time in a LSA while flying with
> a Private and a medical, do you need to get a logbook endorsement the day
> your medical expires? I think your BFR is good for both, though.
>
> -Dana
>
>
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