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1. 09:20 AM - Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs switching (David Lucas)
2. 09:29 AM - Radar technicians (Robert Laird)
3. 09:56 AM - Re: Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs switching (David Lehman)
4. 10:04 AM - Hanger location (Ralph Hoover)
5. 10:12 AM - Re: Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs switching (Richard Pike)
6. 10:48 AM - Re: q (russ kinne)
7. 10:48 AM - Re: q (russ kinne)
8. 11:11 AM - Hanger location (Jim Dunn)
9. 11:47 AM - Re: Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs switching (Jim Dunn)
10. 12:03 PM - Re: Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs switching (robert bean)
11. 02:19 PM - Re: q aka tie downs (Bob Noyer)
12. 02:32 PM - Re: Hanger location (planecrazzzy)
13. 03:05 PM - Re: Hanger location (J carter)
14. 04:24 PM - Re: Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs switching (Larry Bourne)
15. 05:48 PM - Re: Hanger location (Charlie England)
16. 08:50 PM - Re: Hanger location (Jerry Deckard)
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| Subject: | Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs switching |
My curiosity gets the better of me. I've been flying profesionally for a long
time. Initially as a copilot and then later as Captain. In my copilot days in
the Right Seat, and during manual flight (ie. non autopilot flight) I would have
my Right hand on the controls and my Left hand on the throttles. Other switching,
radio's or systems etc, is usually done by the other pilot but if necessary
I would do it with my Left hand (my Right hand staying on the control column).
On moving to the Left seat it all changed of course, with the Left Hand
now on the controls and the right hand on the throttles and, as and if necesary,
switching the required knob.
Now I'm Right handed, so the Left seat style is very comfortable for me as the
Right hand is more accurate for those fiddly little jobs like selecting a particular
frequency, altimeter setting etc. I think 'dexterity' is the right word
for it. I even notice my Righthanded copilots leaning across to switch an item
with their Right hand (during autopilot flight) rather that using their Left
hand even though it would have been closer to the appropriate control.
I've noticed on the KOLB's and many similar types, especialy single seat or tandum,
that both options have been used, sometimes throttle control on the Right
and sometimes on the Left (assuming stick in the middle).
So my question (to satisfy my curiousity) is; What layout do you prefer given
your Left or Right handedness and why, or is it even an issue ?
I think my default position for this Right-hander would be Stick in the Left hand
and Throttle handling and other switches etc done with the Right Hand.
What do you think ?
David.
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| Subject: | Radar technicians |
Sorry for this not being directly Kolb related, but, many here seem to
have a good background in aviation... so.....
I'd like to hook up with anyone or a friend of someone here who is,
has been, or knows someone that is a professional radar technician --
the kind of weather radar found in the larger aircraft. If you have a
name, phone number and/or email of someone like that, I'd greatly
appreciate it if you'd send it to me off-line at:
rlaird@cavediver.com
Thanks!
Now back to the regularly scheduled forum....
-- Robert
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| Subject: | Re: Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs switching |
David...
I'm a lefty, but it's never been a problem either way... I flew my Luscombes
with my right hand on the stick and my Cubs, Mooney Mite, BT-13s, AT-6,
B1-RD, Kolb, etc. with the left... You just seem to adapt to whatever
configuration you're in...
DVD
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On 12/19/06, David Lucas <d_a_lucas@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> My curiosity gets the better of me. I've been flying profesionally for a
> long time. Initially as a copilot and then later as Captain. In my copilot
> days in the Right Seat, and during manual flight (ie. non autopilot flight)
> I would have my Right hand on the controls and my Left hand on the
> throttles. Other switching, radio's or systems etc, is usually done by the
> other pilot but if necessary I would do it with my Left hand (my Right hand
> staying on the control column). On moving to the Left seat it all changed of
> course, with the Left Hand now on the controls and the right hand on the
> throttles and, as and if necesary, switching the required knob.
>
> Now I'm Right handed, so the Left seat style is very comfortable for me as
> the Right hand is more accurate for those fiddly little jobs like selecting
> a particular frequency, altimeter setting etc. I think 'dexterity' is the
> right word for it. I even notice my Righthanded copilots leaning across to
> switch an item with their Right hand (during autopilot flight) rather that
> using their Left hand even though it would have been closer to the
> appropriate control.
>
> I've noticed on the KOLB's and many similar types, especialy single seat
> or tandum, that both options have been used, sometimes throttle control on
> the Right and sometimes on the Left (assuming stick in the middle).
>
> So my question (to satisfy my curiousity) is; What layout do you prefer
> given your Left or Right handedness and why, or is it even an issue ?
>
> I think my default position for this Right-hander would be Stick in the
> Left hand and Throttle handling and other switches etc done with the Right
> Hand.
>
> What do you think ?
>
> David.
>
>
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Per a quote on the subject "q" as noted below:
"Leaving an airplane outside, even tied down, makes me nervous, and
I did it myself a long time ago. A shelter also needs some protection.
I built my open front, steel pole shed 30 years ago for about $800.
The main winds hit at a rear quarter and have to encounter an earthern
berm first which helps ramp them up and over. The ramp is hidden
within a fencerow thicket.
On a windy day scarcely a breeze can be felt standing outside the open
front."
I have a question regarding hangers. There seem to be several self hanger builders
on this site and I was wondering which direction would one have the "opened"
ends positioned"? A friend is building a metal hanger, much like a quansit
hut" that is 27 feet wide by 30 feet long, and will, at least in the begining,
leave bothe ends open. He will store his Titan in it and I will have my Firestar
facing the opposit direction (head to toe). We can locate it in any direction
and all directions, with the exception of West has open corn /soy fields.
The West direction has a hanger about 40 feet from where we would locate our new
hanger.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ohio Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs switching |
Unless you have an awful lot of "stuff" in your airplane, probably not an
issue. I have a transponder, mode C, 720 radio, GPS, lights, strobes, the
usual stuff, and mostly it is a non-issue. Throttle is by the left hand,
stick at the right, but if it was reversed, mostly I "reach out and touch"
that stuff so seldom it doesn't matter.
Here's my layout, not pretty, but functional.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg4.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 12:19 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs
switching
>
> My curiosity gets the better of me. I've been flying profesionally for a
> long time. Initially as a copilot and then later as Captain. In my copilot
> days in the Right Seat, and during manual flight (ie. non autopilot
> flight) I would have my Right hand on the controls and my Left hand on the
> throttles. Other switching, radio's or systems etc, is usually done by the
> other pilot but if necessary I would do it with my Left hand (my Right
> hand staying on the control column). On moving to the Left seat it all
> changed of course, with the Left Hand now on the controls and the right
> hand on the throttles and, as and if necesary, switching the required
> knob.
>
> Now I'm Right handed, so the Left seat style is very comfortable for me as
> the Right hand is more accurate for those fiddly little jobs like
> selecting a particular frequency, altimeter setting etc. I think
> 'dexterity' is the right word for it. I even notice my Righthanded
> copilots leaning across to switch an item with their Right hand (during
> autopilot flight) rather that using their Left hand even though it would
> have been closer to the appropriate control.
>
> I've noticed on the KOLB's and many similar types, especialy single seat
> or tandum, that both options have been used, sometimes throttle control on
> the Right and sometimes on the Left (assuming stick in the middle).
>
> So my question (to satisfy my curiousity) is; What layout do you prefer
> given your Left or Right handedness and why, or is it even an issue ?
>
> I think my default position for this Right-hander would be Stick in the
> Left hand and Throttle handling and other switches etc done with the Right
> Hand.
>
> What do you think ?
>
> David.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82455#82455
>
>
>
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Yes, the tiedown rings are often the weak link. But a friend's Cessna
went on its back when the ring-weld broke. Since I heard that I put
the rope thru the ring, then over the strut, then tie it. Should be
doubly safe.
I have broken 1/2":poly tiedown ropes by hand -- they'd been in the
sun all summer. Good to check.
On Dec 17, 2006, at 9:55 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> russ kinne wrote:
>
>> In re recent talk about tie-down ropes -- this may be more
>> academic than practical, but there have been recent MAJOR changes
>> in cordage (ropes, strings, cables, whatever) that may interest
>> the List.
>> I just researched this subject for a boating magazine, and found
>> that the new synthetics are nothing short of amazing.
>> We all know nylon & dacron & polyester -- but the latter is very
>> seriously weakened by UV; sunlight. Dont trust it.
>> There are a lot of new fibers now, and some are FIFTEEN times
>> stronger than steel. A half-inch rope will theoretically hold TEN
>> TONS! (but dont stand under it)
>> But theyre all different. Some are stretchy (we dont want that)
>> or very non-stretchy. Most are UV - sensitive and must be
>> protected from sunlight by a woven cover of nylon or dacron. No
>> big deal.
>> The fibers named SPECTRA or DYNEEMA are reportedly the strongest
>> fibers ever created. Others are brait, vectran, lycra, twaron,
>> PEN, PBO, zylon, technora and others. All with different specs.
>> The bottom line is that there are some VERY strong ropes available
>> now. But of course theres a price. As Ive said, most of them are
>> UV sensitive and should be protected. None of them like being
>> knotted very much; use splices and fittings whenever possible. And
>> of course theyre expensive -- but you wont need a lot for your
>> tie-down ropes. And an adequately=strong rope may be too thin to
>> grab hold of and haul on.
>> The best place to find them is in marine stores like West
>> Products, or if by any chance you have access to a local
>> sailmaker, pay them a visit and ask some questions. And bring your
>> checkbook; something may be irrestible.
>> Russ K
>
>
> Finding something that's uv-proof is a good idea, but super
> strength isn't likely to do much good beyond regular ropes. I lost
> a Thorp T-18 to wind in Oklahoma about 14 years ago in a storm that
> destroyed over 20 other planes. Many of the certified planes
> (Cessnas, Pipers, etc) left their ropes at the tiedowns when the
> tiedown rings ripped out of the wing structures.
>
> Charlie
>
>
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At the Cessna factory they always (used to, at least) use chains with
over- center levers to cinch the wings down TIGHT. No chance for any
give or play or stretch.
I assume they knew what they were doing -- but you never know.
I appreciate the comments in re lycra-dacron-polyester, but I do
disagree. And I believe the UHMW fibers ARE 15x as strong as steel --
but I haven't personally tested them, I'm not gonna argue, and if I'm
wrong I'm wrong
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On Dec 18, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Dana Hague wrote:
>
> At 09:55 PM 12/17/2006, Charlie England wrote:
>> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> russ kinne wrote:
>>> We all know nylon & dacron & polyester -- but the latter is very
>>> seriously weakened by UV; sunlight. Don't trust it.
>>> There are a lot of new fibers now, and some are FIFTEEN times
>>> stronger than steel...
>>> The fibers named SPECTRA or DYNEEMA are reportedly the strongest
>>> fibers ever created. Others are brait, vectran, lycra, twaron,
>>> PEN, PBO, zylon, technora and others. All with different specs....
>
> FWIW, Dacron, Lycra and polyester are the same thing (Darcon and
> Lycra are trade names). Spectra and Dyneema are two trade names
> for ultra high molecular weight (UHMW) polyethylene. Kevlar,
> Twaron, and Technora are aramids, with Technora being slightly
> stretchier than the other two. The liquid crystal polymers include
> PBO and Zylon (same thing) and Vectran. Most of these are
> available with a woven cover to protect the core fibers from UV.
>
> None are "15X stronger than steel" overall, but the strength to
> weight ratio is much higher than steel.
>
> You do want some stretch; an aircraft rocking against a rigid
> tiedown (e.g. chain) can hammer itself to death.
>
>> Finding something that's uv-proof is a good idea, but super
>> strength isn't likely to do much good beyond regular ropes. I lost
>> a Thorp T-18 to wind in Oklahoma about 14 years ago in a storm
>> that destroyed over 20 other planes. Many of the certified planes
>> (Cessnas, Pipers, etc) left their ropes at the tiedowns when the
>> tiedown rings ripped out of the wing structures.
>
> When I had a T-Craft I wrapped the tiedown ropes around the wing
> strut, using the ring only as a guide... and I bought good nylon
> rope, replacing it every two years. I once had a girlfriend with
> her own T-Craft; some years later she lost the plane in a windstorm
> when the ropes broke (cheap rope, AND she hadn't bothered to
> replace them).
>
> -Dana
> --
> --
> I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who endowed us
> with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their
> use. -- Galileo Galilei
>
>
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You want the hangar to take the wind, not the aircraft inside so I would
put the doors 90 degrees to the wind. I have an enclosed hangar with a
door on 1 side and I am sometimes concerned about the wind with the
ultralights sitting inside and the door open.
If I were to build my hangar again, I would put a few tie-downs in the
concrete on the floor (probably along the centerline). The lift-up kind
that fall flush when not in use. They can be used as an anchor for
winching, or tie down in windy conditions with the door open, etc.
>
> I have a question regarding hangers. There seem to be several self hanger
> builders on this site and I was wondering which direction would one have
> the "opened" ends positioned"?
>
> Ohio Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs |
switching
For things done low, e.g., in the pattern, I would rather keep my right
hand on the stick and make the changes with my left (I would prefer the
flap handle on the left side).
For things done on the ground or at altitude (i.e., cruise) I would rather
switch my left hand to the stick and change freqs, altimeter setting, etc
with my right.
Jim
N. Idaho
> So my question (to satisfy my curiousity) is; What layout do you prefer
> given your Left or Right handedness and why, or is it even an issue ?
>
> I think my default position for this Right-hander would be Stick in the
> Left hand and Throttle handling and other switches etc done with the Right
> Hand.
>
> What do you think ?
>
> David.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs |
switching
Being a bachelor enhances one's ambidexterity.
Right Lar?
BB definitely do not archive
On 19, Dec 2006, at 2:46 PM, Jim Dunn wrote:
>
> For things done low, e.g., in the pattern, I would rather keep my right
> hand on the stick and make the changes with my left (I would prefer the
> flap handle on the left side).
>
> For things done on the ground or at altitude (i.e., cruise) I would
> rather
> switch my left hand to the stick and change freqs, altimeter setting,
> etc
> with my right.
>
> Jim
> N. Idaho
>
>> So my question (to satisfy my curiousity) is; What layout do you
>> prefer
>> given your Left or Right handedness and why, or is it even an issue ?
>>
>> I think my default position for this Right-hander would be Stick in
>> the
>> Left hand and Throttle handling and other switches etc done with the
>> Right
>> Hand.
>>
>> What do you think ?
>>
>> David.
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: q aka tie downs |
Eons back, I was told to never cinch down tight manila rope, if you
were tieing a cub or similar airframe...reason being that if the rope
get wet, it will/may? shrink and possibly break the wing. For old
married guys, just use the long leash you're on!
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger location |
Hey Ralph,
How ya been.... I see you were "Hide'n out" for the fund raiser....He
he he
Anyway, your "Runway" has the answer your looking for....
usually a "Study" is done to determine which direction the wind "USUALLY" blows....Then
you stick a runway in front of it....
You would probly want to postion you hanger the opposite of your MAIN
runway.....
Make cents ? ( at least 2 of them - mine )
Now drop and gemme 50
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger location |
Ralph, Hope all going well for you..In answer to your question as to hanger
Direction,,Contact Wilinmton Nat Wx Service, they will have the Wind
Direction % for the year, Then you can figure which way to place it so it
will be best protected from Wind & Rain, Ect. Hope all well and it is Ok
here in E Liverpool, Have my Winter cover & heater working on My KXP Lt Sp
Exp Kolb (91) warm on cold days . Merry X May & update some time Jay Carter
East Liverpool Oh(right up here to W Va/Pa Line)...---- Original
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From: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:04 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Hanger location
<flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
>
> Per a quote on the subject "q" as noted below:
>
> "Leaving an airplane outside, even tied down, makes me nervous, and
> I did it myself a long time ago. A shelter also needs some protection.
> I built my open front, steel pole shed 30 years ago for about $800.
> The main winds hit at a rear quarter and have to encounter an earthern
> berm first which helps ramp them up and over. The ramp is hidden
> within a fencerow thicket.
> On a windy day scarcely a breeze can be felt standing outside the open
> front."
>
> I have a question regarding hangers. There seem to be several self hanger
builders on this site and I was wondering which direction would one have the
"opened" ends positioned"? A friend is building a metal hanger, much like a
quansit hut" that is 27 feet wide by 30 feet long, and will, at least in the
begining, leave bothe ends open. He will store his Titan in it and I will
have my Firestar facing the opposit direction (head to toe). We can locate
it in any direction and all directions, with the exception of West has open
corn /soy fields. The West direction has a hanger about 40 feet from where
we would locate our new hanger.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Ohio Ralph
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82468#82468
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs |
switching
It's more efficient to grab with either hand. :-) Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Left/Right handedness V's control stick and knobs
switching
>
> Being a bachelor enhances one's ambidexterity.
> Right Lar?
> BB definitely do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger location |
Ralph Hoover wrote:
>
>Per a quote on the subject "q" as noted below:
>
>"Leaving an airplane outside, even tied down, makes me nervous, and
>I did it myself a long time ago. A shelter also needs some protection.
>I built my open front, steel pole shed 30 years ago for about $800.
>The main winds hit at a rear quarter and have to encounter an earthern
>berm first which helps ramp them up and over. The ramp is hidden
>within a fencerow thicket.
>On a windy day scarcely a breeze can be felt standing outside the open
>front."
>
>I have a question regarding hangers. There seem to be several self hanger builders
on this site and I was wondering which direction would one have the "opened"
ends positioned"? A friend is building a metal hanger, much like a quansit
hut" that is 27 feet wide by 30 feet long, and will, at least in the begining,
leave bothe ends open. He will store his Titan in it and I will have my Firestar
facing the opposit direction (head to toe). We can locate it in any direction
and all directions, with the exception of West has open corn /soy fields.
The West direction has a hanger about 40 feet from where we would locate our
new hanger.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Ohio Ralph
>
If you leave both ends open, definitely put tiedowns inside for the
planes. If you close one end, it minimizes the risk.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is to look at the direction of your
*severe* weather, not just prevailing wind.
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger location |
My hanger has sliding doors, wood frame. The doors face the wind. In strong
winds I am concerned about the doors blowing in on the plane. I would rather
have the back or side on the strong wind side.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:10 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Hanger location
>
> You want the hangar to take the wind, not the aircraft inside so I would
> put the doors 90 degrees to the wind. I have an enclosed hangar with a
> door on 1 side and I am sometimes concerned about the wind with the
> ultralights sitting inside and the door open.
>
> If I were to build my hangar again, I would put a few tie-downs in the
> concrete on the floor (probably along the centerline). The lift-up kind
> that fall flush when not in use. They can be used as an anchor for
> winching, or tie down in windy conditions with the door open, etc.
>
>>
>> I have a question regarding hangers. There seem to be several self hanger
>> builders on this site and I was wondering which direction would one have
>> the "opened" ends positioned"?
>>
>> Ohio Ralph
>
>
>
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