---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/23/06: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:09 AM - Xmas (pat ladd) 2. 11:23 AM - Az Bald Eagle article in the January issue of "Arizona Highways (Arksey@aol.com) 3. 01:10 PM - MKIII Dihedral (Richard Pike) 4. 01:18 PM - Re: MKIII Xtra Speeds (pat ladd) 5. 01:49 PM - Kold in Fl (riquenkelly@aol.com) 6. 02:59 PM - Re: Kold in Fl (Cat36Fly@aol.com) 7. 04:04 PM - Brake option for light Kolbs (Richard Girard) 8. 04:38 PM - Full enclosure (planecrazzzy) 9. 05:31 PM - Re: Brake option for light Kolbs (Richard Girard) 10. 07:54 PM - Re: Full enclosure (jerb) 11. 08:11 PM - Miz Evelyn Bryan Johnson (Bob Noyer) 12. 08:41 PM - Prop Spacer - Has anyone ever seen anything like this ??? (JetPilot) 13. 09:40 PM - Re: Prop Spacer - Has anyone ever seen anything like this ??? (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:31 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: Xmas Hi Lar, sorry for the long silence but my confuser blew up on me around the first week of December and I only got back online this afternoon. Enjoyed the last lot of pics you sent. You just HAVE to get a book out sometime. I have been working busily through the accumulated backlog of posts, 1543 of them, deleting merrily away when I accidentally wiped something about a special deal at MV. Anyone have a note of what that was? Merry Christmas to everyone on the list from a fog bound UK Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:24 AM PST US From: Arksey@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Az Bald Eagle article in the January issue of "Arizona Highways Az bald Eagle, I just got the January issue of Aizona Highways, I see there is some wonderful pictures taken from the air in it...have not had time to look at them in detail...but will...thanks for bringing to our attention.. I flew the firestar ll the other day off the Sebring airport, used to be Hendricks air force base in world war ll, it was for training the B-17 crews...runways are a mile in length...the firestar seemed to act a bit more proud after a take off and landing from runway 36. I hauled the firestar down here to Florida from Michigan in a enclosed light weight trailer made for a firestar behind my Olds Silhouette van that has a 3.4 V-6 engine, while it is more work than driving without a trailer the plane had no damage and my wife has not divorced me ./.. yet... What a big advantage having a Kolb.... Happy holidays to all jim swan firestar ll michigan in Florida for the winter... do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:57 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: MKIII Dihedral From: "Richard Pike" Since the FSII flew hands off so well with a bunch of dihedral, decided to try it on the MKIII and see if it could also be made to fly hands off. You can see from the pictures how much dihedral is in the FSII, and how much is in the MKIII, but the results were not at all alike. Could not come up with a combination of trim or throttle settings that would enable hands off flight. It was better than before, but just barely, it was still impossible to pick up a low wing with rudder. There was a small amount of turbulence, but very small. Perhaps if I had a passenger so that it was balanced on each side, and the air was glass smooth, or maybe if I had a full fuselage that ran up to the base of the wing - who knows? Anyway, my initial tests show that dihedral is of no apparent value on this MKIII, your results may vary. None of the other flight characteristics seemed any different. Will probably put it back like it was. The gap seal fits better that way... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83264#83264 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020626_large_122.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020615_large_362.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020312_large_189.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:16 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Xtra Speeds Hi Mick, just a note to wish you both a Merry Christmas. I am back on line after being out since early December. Just cleared 1500 posts.! Mike Hanley has not collected the Kolb yet as he is tied up with the Spitfire testing at Perranporth and that is of course weather dependent. It has been awful here for weeks plus the fog of the last 4 days so expecting no movement in the near future. I assume that you have sent on to Mike the exhaust which you forgot to bring to the NEC . Shame that as I have had to pay over 100 for the hire of the van. Be in touch in the New Year. If you can send me a workable e-mail address, my messages to you keep getting bounced, I can write you off list. All the best or the Festive Season Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:17 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kold in Fl From: riquenkelly@aol.com Kolb experts, I just subscribed. I am seriously considering purchasing a Kolb Mark III kit or already constructed airplane. I just sold my last plane and am itching to get back into something. I like alot of the Kolb features on the website but I can't find one to see in person. I am in the Fl panhandle for the holidays and live in D.C. Anybody have a Kolb near me that would be willing to let me look? Also interested in info on making a Mark III into a float plane. Thanks for the help, Rique -----Original Message----- From: Arksey@aol.com Sent: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Az Bald Eagle article in the January issue of "Arizona Highways Az bald Eagle, I just got the January issue of Aizona Highways, I see there is some wonderful pictures taken from the air in it...have not had time to look at them in detail...but will...thanks for bringing to our attention.. I flew the firestar ll the other day off the Sebring airport, used to be Hendricks air force base in world war ll, it was for training the B-17 crews...runways are a mile in length...the firestar seemed to act a bit more proud after a take off and landing from runway 36. I hauled the firestar down here to Florida from Michigan in a enclosed light weight trailer made for a firestar behind my Olds Silhouette van that has a 3.4 V-6 engine, while it is more work than driving without a trailer the plane had no damage and my wife has not divorced me ./.. yet... What a big advantage having a Kolb.... Happy holidays to all jim swan firestar ll michigan in Florida for the winter... do not archive ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:20 PM PST US From: Cat36Fly@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kold in Fl There is a MKlllx about hrs driving time north of in Md. If you are interested I can give you directions or you could fly into MD1 (Massey Aerodrome) in Massey Md. Larry Tasker MKlllx 582 N615RT ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:31 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Kolb-List: Brake option for light Kolbs I'm helping a buddy build a recumbant trike and he purchased disk brakes from Bike Nashbar for the project. http://www.nashbar.com/ Very light, but might be good on Firestar for ground manuevering and light braking. At $75 a pair the price certainly is attractive. Merry Christmas everybody, Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Full enclosure From: "planecrazzzy" Hey Guys, I started working on my Full Enclosure today.... I'm off work til next year ( use it or lose it ) Anyway , out in the garage using my NEW Tig machine to weld the aluminum angle contraption.....I had a little over 400lbs of Argon , so I figured it would get me over these next 3 days.... I got most of the nose cone piece finished....I was going to add a little weld to radius a corner....Weld was coming out dirty......What the...... Checked my gas......said 400lbs......Hit the button.......Nothin Ran out gas , seems the flow meter gauge that came with the Tig machine is a little on the cheap side..... I've got a few pictures to share..... "My" full enclosure is going to be done in sections.....That way pieces can be changed easy and cheaper than replacing the whole thing... in the pictures is my Front mounting bracket for the main wind screen... It'll have two main tubes welded to it , and doors will hinge off of them, or Fly without the doors... Gotta Fly... -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83290#83290 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/firestar_full_encloser_outside_view_of_angle_04_175.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/firestar_full_encloser_angle_wrapped_around_nose_cone_03_197.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/firestar_fitting_angle_around_nose_cone_02_152.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/firestar_fitting_angle_around_nose_cone_01_110.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:06 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Brake option for light Kolbs Somehow, I forgot the picture so a PS On 12/23/06, Richard Girard wrote: > > I'm helping a buddy build a recumbant trike and he purchased disk brakes > from Bike Nashbar for the project. > > http://www.nashbar.com/ > > Very light, but might be good on Firestar for ground manuevering and light > braking. At $75 a pair the price certainly is attractive. > > Merry Christmas everybody, > Rick > > -- > Rick Girard > "Ya'll drop on in" > takes on a whole new meaning > when you live at the airport. > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:39 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full enclosure How are you forming your curved surfaces? They look beautiful. jerb At 06:38 PM 12/23/2006, you wrote: > >Hey Guys, > I started working on my Full Enclosure today.... > > I'm off work til next year ( use it or lose it ) > > Anyway , out in the garage using my NEW Tig machine to weld the > >aluminum angle contraption.....I had a little over 400lbs of Argon , so I > >figured it would get me over these next 3 days.... > > I got most of the nose cone piece finished....I was going to add a little > >weld to radius a corner....Weld was coming out dirty......What the...... > > Checked my gas......said 400lbs......Hit the button.......Nothin > > > Ran out gas , seems the flow meter gauge that came with the Tig > >machine is a little on the cheap side..... > > I've got a few pictures to share..... > > "My" full enclosure is going to be done in sections.....That way pieces can > >be changed easy and cheaper than replacing the whole thing... > > in the pictures is my Front mounting bracket for the main wind screen... > >It'll have two main tubes welded to it , and doors will hinge off of them, > >or Fly without the doors... > > > Gotta Fly... > >-------- >. >. >. >. >. >Do Not Archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83290#83290 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/firestar_full_encloser_outside_view_of_angle_04_175.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/firestar_full_encloser_angle_wrapped_around_nose_cone_03_197.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/firestar_fitting_angle_around_nose_cone_02_152.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/firestar_fitting_angle_around_nose_cone_01_110.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:04 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Kolb-List: Miz Evelyn Bryan Johnson Miz Evelyn's xmas card announces that she will be honored at the July 21st National Aviation Hall of Fame, along with Steve Fossett, Walter Boyne, Sally K. Ride, and Frederick W. Smith. She is a flight instructor who has logged more flight hours, trained more pilots, and given more FAA exams than any other pilot, retiring at age 95! All of us extend our congratulations to Miz Evelyn Bryan Johnson. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Prop Spacer - Has anyone ever seen anything like this ??? From: "JetPilot" Here is a picture of the prop spacer that goes from my Rotax 912-S to the Kiev Hot Prop. It is made out of aluminum and the shaft is tapered to only two inches at its narrow point. All the spacers I have ever seen have the prop bolts go all the way through from the prop hub to the steel engine output flange. With this spacer the entire load is transmitted to the prop through 2 inches of aluminum. After reading stories of high streingth bolts breaking on occasion, I am wonding how just 2 inches of aluminum could be safe to transmit 100 HP to the prop. Has anyone ever seen a prop adapter / spacer like this ? Is this very likely to fail and let the entire prop fly into the back of my Kolb ? Would you guys trust this ? Any thought you may have would be appreciated. Michael A. Bigelow -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83328#83328 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbpropspacer12_19_2006_41_825.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbdetail12_20_2006_112_147.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:42 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Spacer - Has anyone ever seen anything like this ??? Michael, The thimble style prop extension is the standard for the "Lyconosaurus" engines, although I've never seen one with a wasp waste like yours. The Lycon extensions have a tapered hole through the middle, so if yours is solid, it would be a similar cross sectional area. Rick On 12/23/06, JetPilot wrote: > > > Here is a picture of the prop spacer that goes from my Rotax 912-S to the > Kiev Hot Prop. It is made out of aluminum and the shaft is tapered to only > two inches at its narrow point. > > All the spacers I have ever seen have the prop bolts go all the way > through from the prop hub to the steel engine output flange. With this > spacer the entire load is transmitted to the prop through 2 inches of > aluminum. After reading stories of high streingth bolts breaking on > occasion, I am wonding how just 2 inches of aluminum could be safe to > transmit 100 HP to the prop. Has anyone ever seen a prop adapter / spacer > like this ? Is this very likely to fail and let the entire prop fly into > the back of my Kolb ? Would you guys trust this ? Any thought you may > have would be appreciated. > > Michael A. Bigelow > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have > !!! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83328#83328 > > > Attachments: > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbpropspacer12_19_2006_41_825.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbdetail12_20_2006_112_147.jpg > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.