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1. 06:32 AM - sebring (robert bean)
2. 07:20 AM - Re: Tail wheel strut bending (David Kulp)
3. 08:07 AM - This Morning's FAA Report... (David Lehman)
4. 08:16 AM - mkIII accident (John Hauck)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: Tail wheel strut bending (Vic Peters)
6. 08:42 AM - Re: Tail wheel strut bending (Rex Rodebush)
7. 08:52 AM - Re: Tail wheel strut bending (John Hauck)
8. 09:17 AM - Re: mkIII accident (John Williamson)
9. 10:15 AM - Re: Tail wheel strut bending (Dana Hague)
10. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: mkIII accident (TheWanderingWench)
11. 10:30 AM - Re: mkIII accident (TheWanderingWench)
12. 10:34 AM - Re: mkIII accident (Mike Welch)
13. 10:43 AM - So long trusty Firestar! (Ralph Hoover)
14. 10:54 AM - Pilot's name in Utah accident (Mike Welch)
15. 12:40 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (pat ladd)
16. 12:53 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (Robert Laird)
17. 12:57 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (John Hauck)
18. 01:12 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (Mike Welch)
19. 01:14 PM - Re: LDS (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
20. 02:08 PM - Re: Tail wheel strut bending (David Kulp)
21. 02:09 PM - Re: LDS (Wayne T. McCullough)
22. 02:21 PM - Re: Tail wheel strut bending (Dana Hague)
23. 02:22 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (John Hauck)
24. 03:09 PM - South Western Va Kolbs (Herb Gayheart)
25. 04:11 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (Larry Bourne)
26. 07:19 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (Mike Welch)
27. 07:34 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (Larry Bourne)
28. 08:29 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (knowvne@aol.com)
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Howdy Kolbers, struggling here with a sick Mac that appears to have a
heart
condition. In to the shop tomorrow.
I did make it to the LSA Expo. Pretty breezy but as you can see, I did
manage
to test drive something anyway. Lots of planes in attendance, some one
of
a kind that hope they will be noticed. My guess is that maybe 20% will
be
around five years from now.
It was a worthwhile sidetrip and I got to see Lake Okeechobee (sp) on
the
drive back to Jupiter.
BB
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel strut bending |
Sorry, but this is incorrect. Surface tension is a phenomenon relating
only to liquids, not to solids. A solid's strength is a function
of
stress, or force per cross sectional area. A solid bar is always
stronger
(and stiffer) than the same diameter tubing. Actually, in
bending, it's a
matter of moment of inertia. For the same weight, a tube will be
stiffer,
yes, because you can make it larger diameter.
Dana, I'm not a metalurgist, but you contradict one I've discussed it
with.
Regards,
Dave
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| Subject: | This Morning's FAA Report... |
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** Report created 1/22/2007 Record
4 **
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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 3456F Make/Model: EXP Description: TWINSTAR MK III
EXP
Date: 01/20/2007 Time: 1920
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Minor
LOCATION
City: HURRICANE State: UT Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT ON LANDING, WENT INTO A DITCH, HURRICANE, UT
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
WEATHER: KSGU METAR 201935Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 04/M12 A2998
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER
Departed: HURRICANE, UT Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: HURRICANE, UT Flt Plan: Wx Briefing:
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:
FAA FSDO: SALT LAKE CITY, UT (NM07) Entry date: 01/22/2007
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We have anyone in Hurricane, UT?
ACFT ON LANDING, WENT INTO A DITCH, HURRICANE, UT
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel strut bending |
Would you rather break the tail rod (easily replaceable) or tear off the
lower verticl stab.
Vic
Me.
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel strut bending |
Yes, the solid rod is stronger and stiffer than a tube of the same diameter. However,
the strength to weight ratio of the tube is much higher.
Rex Rodebush
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel strut bending |
Would you rather break the tail rod (easily replaceable) or tear off
the lower verticl stab.
Vic
Hi Ya'll:
Don't want to do either.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: mkIII accident |
The FAA Registry says:
RUNYAN, PAUL L
2209 NW BENTON ST
CAMAS, WASHINGTON 98607
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel strut bending |
At 10:19 AM 1/22/2007, David Kulp wrote:
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>Dana, I'm not a metalurgist, but you contradict one I've discussed it with.
>
Perhaps he misunderstood your question, or you misunderstood his answer
(the solid bar is stronger but the strength to weight ratio of the tube is
higher as I said). I'm not a metallurgist but I _am_ an aerospace engineer.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: mkIII accident |
I know Paul well - he's a member of our UFO
(Ultralight Flyers Organization) club which has
members throughout the Portland area. I'll contact
him - but my guess is that he sold the Kolb and wasn't
the pilot.
Arty
--- John Williamson <kolbrapilot1@comcast.net> wrote:
> <kolbrapilot1@comcast.net>
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> The FAA Registry says:
> RUNYAN, PAUL L
> 2209 NW BENTON ST
> CAMAS, WASHINGTON 98607
>
> --------
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolbra, 912ULS
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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| Subject: | Re: mkIII accident |
I just talked to Paul Runyan. He sold his Kolb -
dissassembled - 4 years ago to a fellow in Utah, who
re-built it. Paul doesn't have any knowledge about
the accident. Interesting side note - about a year
ago Paul got an inquiry about the Kolb from the FAA;
he wrote them and said it had been disassembled and
sold for parts. Apparently the FAA's data base
doesn't reflect this.
Arty
--- John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> We have anyone in Hurricane, UT?
>
> ACFT ON LANDING, WENT INTO A DITCH, HURRICANE, UT
>
>
> john h
> mkIII
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Yes, I live about 20-30 minute drive from Hurricane. I live in St. George.
Why? I haven't heard any details of what you're talking about. ???
Mike in Utah
>From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: mkIII accident
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:15:45 -0600
>
>
>We have anyone in Hurricane, UT?
>
>ACFT ON LANDING, WENT INTO A DITCH, HURRICANE, UT
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>
>john h
>mkIII
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| Subject: | So long trusty Firestar! |
Well with my re-healing from my Aorta, abdominal Aneurism now three months in the
making (a world record, by the way, as I flat lined), my interests and needs
have changed. The Kolb with trailer goes on the block effective today.
I really wanted to continue, however, with intermittence dizzy spells that may
re-occur, I am reluctant to get in the air by myself.
I realize this isn't the place to sell my Kolb, but if anyone knows anyone that
would be interested, this would be the place to ask. I have had a lot of fun
with it and this web site, including the intermittent attitudes (water unstirred
becomes stagnant).
The Firestar is a 1991 with a 503 DIDC Rotax engine with 317 hours. It is great
in every way as I have had it examined by a rotax mechanic here at my field.
The plane has new duel fuel pumps with check valves, new six gallon fuel tank,
new wiring, new glass panel gauges for both flight and engin information, nearly
new IVO two blade adjustable prop with spacer, backup 3-1/4" ASI, battery,
electronic digital compass and new gap seal assembly. It will be sold with a
open 14 foot trailer which is a brand new single axle. The asking price for everything
is $ 6,500. I am located in Central Ohio and my phone number is 740-936-6025.
If I am not there, leave a message after pressing the digit "one". E-mail
address is flht99reh@columbus.rr.com I have the history from the build time
to present.
Ohio Ralph
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| Subject: | Pilot's name in Utah accident |
As I stated in a previous message I live only a few minutes drive to
Hurricane, Utah. Although I'm
new to the area I do think I can call a couple of people and find out some
specific facts.
I can tell you one thing, though. I worked outside all day moving some
garage and yard stuff to my storage unit on Saturday, and the weather was
absolutely beautiful...(it's like that almost every day!!)
ps. I moved some stuff to storage to clear my yard so that I can begin
construction on my "airplane shop". I am going to build a 20' X 44' shop in
my backyard. I also have to build my wife a pool. That's the deal...shop
for me, pool for her.
In case you aren't aware....St George is in the southwest corner of the
state. Near Grand Canyon, Las Vegas, etc. We're usually 15 degrees
warmer than the rest of the state. There are about 50% mormon people here
(they prefer to be called "LDS"'s). I'm NOT an LDS, but they sure are NICE
people!! They go out of their way to be friendly and help out!!
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
There are about 50% mormon people here (they prefer to be called "LDS"'s).
>>
Hi Mike,
I am sure I will regret asking this but, what are LDS`s. Local Defence
Supporters? Lords Dam Surveyors? Huh?
As you are pretty close I suppose you will be at Monument Valley in May for
the Disorganised Annual Kolb Fly-In.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
Latter Day Saints.
On 1/22/07, pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> There are about 50% mormon people here (they prefer to be called "LDS"'s).
> >>
>
> Hi Mike,
> I am sure I will regret asking this but, what are LDS`s. Local Defence
> Supporters? Lords Dam Surveyors? Huh?
>
> As you are pretty close I suppose you will be at Monument Valley in May
> for
> the Disorganised Annual Kolb Fly-In.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
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| Pat
Patrick:
It is the 2007 Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Monument Valley Flyin.
"Disorganized" makes us look like we don't know what we are doing.
;-)
john h
mkIII
PS: Latter Day Saints/Mormons
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
Well, Pat,
After I got up off the floor from falling out of my chair laughing....LDS
stands for Church of Jesus Christ and the "Latter Day Saints". They
consider themselves "Latter Day Saints". I think that must be why they feel
the need to go door-knocking so strongly! They must think they're on God's
Mission....who knows?? Like I said, I'm not one, but they are good people!
Please tell me more about the Monument Valley Fly-In. Wasn't aware of it.
As I said, I'm new here.
I absolutely will be there, especially if I can fly my Cessna to it.
Mike formerly from California, now in Utah
>From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:40:26 -0000
>
>
>There are about 50% mormon people here (they prefer to be called "LDS"'s).
> >>
>
>Hi Mike,
>I am sure I will regret asking this but, what are LDS`s. Local Defence
>Supporters? Lords Dam Surveyors? Huh?
>
>As you are pretty close I suppose you will be at Monument Valley in May for
>the Disorganised Annual Kolb Fly-In.
>
>Cheers
>
>Pat
>
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>
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Pat/Gang,
LDS stands for Latter-Day-Saint. The official name is "The Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints". The name "Mormon" is a slang name
mainly for the beleif in the Book of Mormon as well as the Bible to be
the word of God.
Nice God fearing people who love their God, Country and Family.
Tim Gherkins
FSII
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pat ladd
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
There are about 50% mormon people here (they prefer to be called
"LDS"'s).
>>
Hi Mike,
I am sure I will regret asking this but, what are LDS`s. Local Defence
Supporters? Lords Dam Surveyors? Huh?
As you are pretty close I suppose you will be at Monument Valley in May
for the Disorganised Annual Kolb Fly-In.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel strut bending |
Sorry, but this is incorrect. Surface tension is a phenomenon relating
only to liquids, not to solids. A solid's strength is a function
of
stress, or force per cross sectional area. A solid bar is always
stronger
(and stiffer) than the same diameter tubing. Actually, in
bending, it's a
matter of moment of inertia. For the same weight, a tube will be
stiffer,
yes, because you can make it larger diameter.Dana, I stand
corrected. I feel as if I've been had, or maybe the individual I was
discussing it with attempted to put his knowledge into "layman's" terms
for me. Since I don't know what your qualifications are, I called a
copper tube factory closeby and spoke with an engineer and he backed up
what you said about tubing may be ALMOST as strong, but never stronger.
He also asked the logical question, "If tubing were stronger than a rod,
why would anyone ever use a rod?"Makes me wonder about the time I was
working on my US and an electrical engineer flew in. He saw me
soldering joints for extra strength and he admonished me to crimp ONLY.
He said that the solder would fracture with the vibration but the simple
crimp wouldn't. When does one believe an expert??Dave KulpBethlehem,
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You know,
I nearly fell out of MY chair laughing.........at this acroynm?....Good
grief....I'm glad to know that I am not the only one paying attention.....
I just love all of the Kolb lurkers out there...........
Still here..
WT
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel strut bending |
At 05:06 PM 1/22/2007, David Kulp wrote:
>Makes me wonder about the time I was working on my US and an electrical
>engineer flew in. He saw me soldering joints for extra strength and he
>admonished me to crimp ONLY. He said that the solder would fracture with
>the vibration but the simple crimp wouldn't. When does one believe an expert??
He has a good point. When you solder a connection, the solder flows into
the wires and you have what's essentially a solid wire... which isn't as
flexible as the original multi stranded wire.
I still tend to solder wires, though... maybe because I don't have a good
crimping tool. Too many of my crimped connections pull out of the
terminal... but the wire doesn't break.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
it.
| Mike
Mike:
We don't know if you can fly your Cessna there or not. Can you?
They do have a 4,000 air strip at Gouldings where we hole our flyin.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | South Western Va Kolbs |
Guys
Promised a fellow in the Roanoke Va area to ask if anyone knows if
there is any training available in that area.. He has a Kolb.. Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
Mike Welch.........did you ever live in the Los Angeles area ??
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
>
> Well, Pat,
> After I got up off the floor from falling out of my chair laughing....LDS
> stands for Church of Jesus Christ and the "Latter Day Saints". They
> consider themselves "Latter Day Saints". I think that must be why they
> feel the need to go door-knocking so strongly! They must think they're on
> God's Mission....who knows?? Like I said, I'm not one, but they are good
> people!
>
> Please tell me more about the Monument Valley Fly-In. Wasn't aware of it.
> As I said, I'm new here.
> I absolutely will be there, especially if I can fly my Cessna to it.
> Mike formerly from California, now in Utah
>
>
>>From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
>>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:40:26 -0000
>>
>>
>>There are about 50% mormon people here (they prefer to be called "LDS"'s).
>> >>
>>
>>Hi Mike,
>>I am sure I will regret asking this but, what are LDS`s. Local Defence
>>Supporters? Lords Dam Surveyors? Huh?
>>
>>As you are pretty close I suppose you will be at Monument Valley in May
>>for the Disorganised Annual Kolb Fly-In.
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Pat
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
No, Larry. Only from the North end of the state. Vacaville, just a little
southwest of Sacramento. Mike in Utah
>From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:10:20 -0800
>
>
>Mike Welch.........did you ever live in the Los Angeles area ?? Lar.
> Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Santa Fe, NM
>www.gogittum.com
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:11 PM
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
>
>
>>
>>Well, Pat,
>> After I got up off the floor from falling out of my chair
>>laughing....LDS stands for Church of Jesus Christ and the "Latter Day
>>Saints". They consider themselves "Latter Day Saints". I think that
>>must be why they feel the need to go door-knocking so strongly! They must
>>think they're on God's Mission....who knows?? Like I said, I'm not one,
>>but they are good people!
>>
>>Please tell me more about the Monument Valley Fly-In. Wasn't aware of it.
>>As I said, I'm new here.
>>I absolutely will be there, especially if I can fly my Cessna to it.
>> Mike formerly from California, now in Utah
>>
>>
>>>From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
>>>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:40:26 -0000
>>>
>>>
>>>There are about 50% mormon people here (they prefer to be called
>>>"LDS"'s).
>>> >>
>>>
>>>Hi Mike,
>>>I am sure I will regret asking this but, what are LDS`s. Local Defence
>>>Supporters? Lords Dam Surveyors? Huh?
>>>
>>>As you are pretty close I suppose you will be at Monument Valley in May
>>>for the Disorganised Annual Kolb Fly-In.
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>
>>>Pat
>>>
>>>do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Thanks. I always like to make the try, cause once in a while it pays off.
40 years ago, a Mike Welch used to visit my neighbors in The Malibu.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
>
> No, Larry. Only from the North end of the state. Vacaville, just a
> little southwest of Sacramento. Mike in Utah
>
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HI to all
I'm a newbie to this list and not a Kolb pilot YET! but I am
interested in the craft and hoping to learn as much
as possible so I know what to look for when the time is right to build
or purchase used...
I'm looking at the Kolb II so I can take up a passenger now and
then.... My wife at 4ft 11" should just fit 8-)
Would also like to do some XC but do worry about using a 2 Cycle power
plant.... Whats the TBO and the reliability record
of the Rotax 503 I read 300 hrs but hear of it going much longer
before they blow.... I'm hearing it's the most reliable of
the 3 used but may not be the most Economical to run...
Coming from a GA back ground I'm very interested in performance
numbers for the Kolb II with a Rotax 503 at Gross
Does the UL community rely on or even use such info?
A little back ground history...... I hold a non current Private ticket
a little over 100 hours logged in c152 - c172
and Piper Tomahawks... Have been flying HangGliders for the past 20
years with over 1,500 hours logged in 14
different gliders ( Trainers, Tandems and High performance Wings... My
longest XC in a HangGlider is 81 miles
and my highest Altitude to date is 9,570 ft msl ... I've also logged 2
hours of dual in a Sail plane.....
Looking forward to lurking and learning from all of you KOLB Pros...
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
<mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
No, Larry. Only from the North end of the state. Vacaville, just a
little southwest of Sacramento. Mike in Utah
>From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:10:20 -0800
>
>
>Mike Welch.........did you ever live in the Los Angeles area ?? Lar.
> Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Santa Fe, NM
>www.gogittum.com
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Welch"
<mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:11 PM
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
>
>
<mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
>>
>>Well, Pat,
>> After I got up off the floor from falling out of my chair
>>laughing....LDS stands for Church of Jesus Christ and the "Latter Day
>>Saints". They consider themselves "Latter Day Saints". I think that
>>must be why they feel the need to go door-knocking so strongly! They
must >>think they're on God's Mission....who knows?? Like I said, I'm
not one, >>but they are good people!
>>
>>Please tell me more about the Monument Valley Fly-In. Wasn't aware
of it. >>As I said, I'm new here.
>>I absolutely will be there, especially if I can fly my Cessna to it.
>> Mike formerly from California, now in Utah
>>
>>
>>>From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
>>>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:40:26 -0000
>>>
<pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>>>
>>>There are about 50% mormon people here (they prefer to be called
>>>"LDS"'s).
>>> >>
>>>
>>>Hi Mike,
>>>I am sure I will regret asking this but, what are LDS`s. Local
Defence >>>Supporters? Lords Dam Surveyors? Huh?
>>>
>>>As you are pretty close I suppose you will be at Monument Valley in
May >>>for the Disorganised Annual Kolb Fly-In.
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>
>>>Pat
>>>
>>>do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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