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1. 02:55 AM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (pat ladd)
2. 02:56 AM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (pat ladd)
3. 03:55 AM - kolb list (tc1917)
4. 04:49 AM - Mark Vaughn (David Key)
5. 05:23 AM - Kolb glider (flykolb)
6. 05:45 AM - Re: Kolb glider (David Key)
7. 06:04 AM - Re: Mark Vaughn (knowvne@aol.com)
8. 06:19 AM - Re: Kolb glider (APilot@webtv.net)
9. 06:42 AM - FLAME OUTS (knowvne@aol.com)
10. 06:43 AM - Re: Kolb glider (APilot@webtv.net)
11. 06:46 AM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (Vic Peters)
12. 06:48 AM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (Vic Peters)
13. 06:56 AM - Re: Tail wheel strut bending (Vic Peters)
14. 07:53 AM - Re: Kolb glider (n27sb@aol.com)
15. 08:17 AM - Re: Kolb glider (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
16. 08:32 AM - On the way to the Fly-In (Mike Welch)
17. 08:47 AM - Re: On the way to the Fly-In (John Williamson)
18. 08:50 AM - Re: Kolb glider (David Key)
19. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: On the way to the Fly-In (Mike Welch)
20. 09:07 AM - Rockwell Collins Smacular Valve Displacement Metric Inocculator System M... (David Lehman)
21. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: On the way to the Fly-In (John Hauck)
22. 09:49 AM - Re: Kolb glider (Eugene Zimmerman)
23. 10:10 AM - Re: Rockwell Collins Smacular Valve Displacement Metric Inocculator System M... (Bob Noyer)
24. 10:16 AM - Re: Kolb glider (Dana Hague)
25. 10:19 AM - 447 torque values (olendorf)
26. 10:19 AM - Re: Rockwell Collins Smacular Valve Displacement Metric Inocculator System M... (knowvne@aol.com)
27. 10:22 AM - Re: Kolb glider (Dana Hague)
28. 10:46 AM - Re: Kolb glider (Jim Dunn)
29. 11:26 AM - Re: Kolb glider (flykolb)
30. 12:06 PM - Re: Kolb glider (N111KX (Kip))
31. 12:07 PM - Re: Kolb glider (Bob Noyer)
32. 12:25 PM - Re: On the way to the Fly-In (pat ladd)
33. 12:38 PM - Re: Kolb glider (pat ladd)
34. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: Kolb glider (GeoR38@aol.com)
35. 01:00 PM - KOLB FIRE STAR L/D (knowvne@aol.com)
36. 01:45 PM - Mark-II for Sale (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
37. 02:06 PM - Re: Kolb glider (Dana Hague)
38. 02:16 PM - Re: Mark-II for Sale (knowvne@aol.com)
39. 03:04 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (GeoR38@aol.com)
40. 03:28 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (Jim Kmet)
41. 03:30 PM - Re: Kolb glider (possums)
42. 03:34 PM - Re: Kolb glider (planecrazzzy)
43. 03:50 PM - Re: Kolb glider (John Hauck)
44. 03:53 PM - Re: Kolb glider (John Hauck)
45. 04:07 PM - Re: 447 torque values (John Hauck)
46. 04:10 PM - Re: FLAME OUTS (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
47. 04:43 PM - Re: Kolb glider (APilot@webtv.net)
48. 05:21 PM - Re: FLAME OUTS (APilot@webtv.net)
49. 05:31 PM - Re: FLAME OUTS (knowvne@aol.com)
50. 05:37 PM - Re: FLAME OUTS (APilot@webtv.net)
51. 05:58 PM - Re: FLAME OUTS (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
52. 06:00 PM - Re: FLAME OUTS (Larry Bourne)
53. 06:02 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (GeoR38@aol.com)
54. 06:03 PM - Re: FLAME OUTS (knowvne@aol.com)
55. 06:07 PM - Re: FLAME OUTS (knowvne@aol.com)
56. 06:10 PM - Sport Pilot (Larry Cottrell)
57. 06:19 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
58. 06:25 PM - Re: Kolb glider (Jeremy Casey)
59. 06:30 PM - Re: 447 torque values (olendorf)
60. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: On the way to the Fly-In (Larry Cottrell)
61. 06:46 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (Larry Bourne)
62. 06:46 PM - Re: Kolb glider (Dana Hague)
63. 06:51 PM - Re: FLAME OUTS (Dana Hague)
64. 06:55 PM - Re: Kolb glider (Kolbdriver)
65. 07:00 PM - Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident (DAquaNut@aol.com)
66. 07:17 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (Wayne Boyter)
67. 07:17 PM - Re: Kolb glider (possums)
68. 07:33 PM - Re: Kolb glider (John Hauck)
69. 07:43 PM - Re: Kolb glider (Eugene Zimmerman)
70. 07:47 PM - Re: Kolb glider (possums)
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
Please tell me more about the Monument Valley Fly-In>>
Hi Mike,
other listers will probably give you chapter and verse on this.
Wendy and I are coming from the UK to have a holiday in USA and the hook
that I am hanging it on is the fly-in. I have never been before but from
what I gather from the general chat on the list is that anyone who can fly,
trail or visit Gouldings campground for the weekend of May 19/20th does so.
Listers begin to drift in around Thursday and they fly and talk etc. and
leave on Sunday. All depending on the weather etc. There is no formal
organisation.
I am flying into LA around 5th, spending a few days here and there, San
Diego, Palm Springs, Las Vegas, Bryce, Sion and going down to Santa Fe after
the fly in for a few days, then fly to Denver and then home.
I think most people use RVs or tents. Gouldings Hotel is, I believe, full,
but we have booked a cabin.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
"Disorganized" makes us look like we don't know what we are doing. ;-) >>
We don`t want anyone to get that idea do we John? Looking forward to it.
Pat
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just got me an old classic, the twinstar. has some damage to a wing but not
a big problem when you recover it. it is in really excellent shape for its
age. gonna fix it up and whatever, keep or sell, depending. still have a
Mk III frame and boom in my hanger to start work on. dont really know what
it is worth but I have seen it fly. with a 503 it flys like a KOLB. love
the idea of the drop down nose cone. you dont get any easier than that. it
is truely an open flying plane. will put the extra support angles in the
wing when I do it. or, is anyone interested in doing it themselves. Not
adverse to selling it right now. Ted Cowan, Alabama
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I'm not a Kolb Pro but the 503 is a great engine, good median between power
and GPH. Be sure to get large gas tanks (>10 gal total) if you plan on
XCing.
It's much easier to set up a Kolb than a hang glider, have you been to
Wallaby Ranch? I have some time doing hang gliding there got up to 6k agl
and have a 75 mile XC.
I think there's another Hanggliding pilot on the list. The Kolbs drop like a
rock so look down for a field if something happens not out for a field.
Consider the Firestar II with a 503. If you hanglide you might want the
visibility and openness.
My wife is 4'11 too if you go with the Mark II or III then look into getting
one of those 3 inch seat pads for her.
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"The Kolbs drop like a rock" - not really! Granted, it is not like a
glider, but having experienced at least ten "engine outs" from as low as
300 feet to as high as 2000 feet, the Mark III does give you some time
to land. But in any plane, even a GA, it is always a good idea (read
life saver) to have a potential landing site picked out.
Jim
Mark III
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Let me rephrase it then, I don't know many other planes that have a worse
glide ratio.
>From: "flykolb" <flykolb@wowway.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb glider
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:27:50 -0500
>
>"The Kolbs drop like a rock" - not really! Granted, it is not like a
>glider, but having experienced at least ten "engine outs" from as low as
>300 feet to as high as 2000 feet, the Mark III does give you some time to
>land. But in any plane, even a GA, it is always a good idea (read life
>saver) to have a potential landing site picked out.
>
>Jim
>Mark III
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HAVE I BEEN TO WALLABY HAHAHAHAHAHA
SEE ATTACHED 8-) ANYTHING LOOK FAMILURE? 8-)
BY THE WAY I'M ALSO A COMMERCIAL PHOTOGRAPHER...
I VISIT WALLABY JUST ABOUT EVERY SPRING TO SHAKE OFF THE WINTER RUST
IN PREP FOR OUR NEW ENGLAND FLYING SEASON...
ACTUALLY I MAY BE DOWN AGAIN THIS SPRING TO TRY AND SELL MY CURRENT HG
AND EYEBALL THE NEW KOLBS AT SUN-N-FUN....
THANKS FOR THE INFO... I WAS ALREADY CONSIDERING THE KOLB II WITH A 20
GALLON TANK 8-)
Mark Vaughn
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From: dhkey@msn.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 7:48 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark Vaughn
=C2-
I'm not a Kolb Pro but the 503 is a great engine, good median between
power and GPH. Be sure to get large gas tanks (>10 gal total) if you
plan on XCing.=C2-
=C2-
It's much easier to set up a Kolb than a hang glider, have you been to
Wallaby Ranch? I have some time doing hang gliding there got up to 6k
agl and have a 75 mile XC.=C2-
=C2-
I think there's another Hanggliding pilot on the list. The Kolbs drop
like a rock so look down for a field if something happens not out for a
field.=C2-
=C2-
Consider the Firestar II with a 503. If you hanglide you might want
the visibility and openness.=C2-
=C2-
My wife is 4'11 too if you go with the Mark II or III then look into
getting one of those 3 inch seat pads for her.=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
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=C2-
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Very good point. Another reason to become proficient at the 180 degree
turn back to the runway. Practice at altitude - use it in an emergency.
I have had well over a dozen engine outs in ultralights which were all
my fault. And two in Cessna 150's and one was my fault. But, no matter
whose fault it is, it is good to have a safe place to land when to ole
beater quits..
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This raises a question in my mind regarding flame outs in a Kolb...
IF your high enough to do the 180 you'll be down wind...
Is the Kolb Firestar Rated for Side Slipping so to get as close to the
end of he field as possible ????
I notice they don't have flaps but flaperons.... Can you slip one to
the deck...
I did this in 152s all the time...
BTW
Given youve had so many flame outs and they've all been your fault
maybe you should take up Hang Gliding... 8-)
Mark Vaughn
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From: APilot@webtv.net
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb glider
Very good point. Another reason to become proficient at the 180 degree
turn back to the runway. Practice at altitude - use it in an emergency.
I have had well over a dozen engine outs in ultralights which were all
my fault. And two in Cessna 150's and one was my fault. But, no matter
whose fault it is, it is good to have a safe place to land when to ole
beater quits..
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Race for worst glide ratio..........Ercoupe or Piper Colt or Kolb?
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
As you are pretty close I suppose you will be at Monument Valley in May
for
the Disorganised Annual Kolb Fly-In.
Cheers
Pat
Hey Pat ,Don't you mean DAKFI
I'd guess Latter Day Saints to your other ques.
Vic
Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
Sorry Pat,
UUKMVF
Vic
Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel strut bending |
"I still tend to solder wires, though... maybe because I don't have a
good crimping tool. Too many of my crimped connections pull out of the
terminal... but the wire doesn't break."
-Dana
I'm with you on the soldered wires. Solder may crack but won't fall or
pull out of the terminal. I simply go the extra mile and put 2 layers of
heat shrink past any solder in the wire for better flex.
Vic
Me.
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To be Fair in this comparison I think you need to add in the factor of available
landing sites that offer no damage to the aircraft. My Long-EZ had a glide ratio
of over 20 to 1 with the blades stopped but there are few and far between
landing sites. In comparison, my Firefly on floats probably has less than 8 to
1 but even at an altitude of 100 ft I can land with no damage 99.99999% of
the time. Point is, There are other factors more important than Glide ratio.
Steve
FF #007 on Floats
-----Original Message-----
From: flykolb@wowway.com
Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 8:27 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb glider
"The Kolbs drop like a rock" - not really! Granted, it is not like a glider, but
having experienced at least ten "engine outs" from as low as 300 feet to as
high as 2000 feet, the Mark III does give you some time to land. But in any plane,
even a GA, it is always a good idea (read life saver) to have a potential
landing site picked out.
Jim
Mark III
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David
Kolbs are ultra low speed STOL airplanes. They have very large props for
their size and weight that create considerable drag when they stop. But it
is that large prop that makes these airplanes fly as well as they do. If you
compare a Kolb to a similar type of aircraft they do fairly well. You appear
to be comparing them to gliders or other streamlined GA aircraft. In a
airplane everything is a tradeoff. If we were to compare the features that
these planes were designed for against most any other airplane we would blow
them away. Again everything is a trade off and comparisons with other
categories of aircraft just don't make sense.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb glider
>
> Let me rephrase it then, I don't know many other planes that have a worse
> glide ratio.
>
>
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| Subject: | On the way to the Fly-In |
Hey Pat,
It would be nice if you dropped by and said 'Hi" on your way to the
Fly-In. Like I said, I live in the southwest corner of Utah, really close
to Zion (with a Z) & Bryce National Parks. From Las Vegas, you have to
drive through St. George, anyway, to get to where you're headed.
To the rest of the Kolbers intending on being at the Monument Valley
Fly-In....is there a "staff"
that oversees some of the safety issues?? I ask this, because I was a
member of a light plane/ultralight organization, and we had many local
fly-ins. We also had some near disasters!!!!
Example: at one particular location (we even asked the local newspaper to
attend...for good PR)
we had TWO (!!!!) airplanes try to take off at the exact same time (on
crossing runways). One airplane lifted off, the other had to yank a hard
right into the grass, almost tipping over. Man, I'm telling ya', this was
really close to two airplanes driving into each other. And one of them was
an instructor WITH a student pilot.
I said all that to say this: There absolutely HAS to be some order to a
fly-in, otherwise it will indeed be "disorganized" and people can very
easily be hurt. It was after a couple of incidents like this that we (our
club) formulated "RULES" of safely. We had a designated Safety Officer
responsible for who came and went, and only when he said it was okay to do
so. This type of approach to safety, without a doubt, improved everyones
well-being, gave peace of mind, and helped put our fly-ins in the
"Organized" catagory.
To give you an idea of the kind of rules we came up with, here are a
couple:
1) Upon arriving at the airfield, you have to adhere to the previously
established traffic pattern.
2) Once you've landed, you will NOT start your engine and taxi unless the
Safety Officer says you can.
3) If you take off during the Fly-In, the Safety Officer must know your
intensions. Like; are you leaving to go home, do some pleasure flying,
pattern work, etc. This let others know what you're up to.
We had a couple of other rules, but you get the idea. I have been
(flown my Cessna 172) to many airshows. At "Golden State Airshow" at
Merced, CA, there were at least 10 (!!!) airplanes in the pattern at any
given time. Yet, it was very well organized and quite safe.
If I were given the choice of "flying versus driving" to a Fly-In, I'd
rather drive.....if there are NO RULES. But that just me..... : )
Mike in Utah
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| Subject: | Re: On the way to the Fly-In |
Mike and All,
The 5th Annual Monument Valley Kolb Gathering has no staff, we don't want no staff
and don't need no staff.
Everyone that shows up at Goulding's is responsible for everthing they do or want
to do.
We have lots of rules.... They are called the FAR's. Everyone has to fly by them.
When you do you stay safe. Goulding's is a Private Airport so their rules apply
also.
I can imagine that if anyone tried to be in charge, they would be run off by the
the rest of the laid back Kolber's.
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89760#89760
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sometimes when someone is new to Kolbs it's a wise idea to clue them into
the fact that they wont have as much glide as they did in other aircraft.
People tend to compare things that they shouldn't especially when they don't
have experience with them. I'm sticking with they drop like a rock and
that's where I'll look for my fields, you do whatever works for you. ;-)
>From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb glider
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:17:10 -0500
>
><NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
>David
>
>Kolbs are ultra low speed STOL airplanes. They have very large props for
>their size and weight that create considerable drag when they stop. But it
>is that large prop that makes these airplanes fly as well as they do. If
>you compare a Kolb to a similar type of aircraft they do fairly well. You
>appear to be comparing them to gliders or other streamlined GA aircraft. In
>a airplane everything is a tradeoff. If we were to compare the features
>that these planes were designed for against most any other airplane we
>would blow them away. Again everything is a trade off and comparisons with
>other categories of aircraft just don't make sense.
>
>Rick Neilsen
>Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:45 AM
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb glider
>
>
>>
>>Let me rephrase it then, I don't know many other planes that have a worse
>>glide ratio.
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: On the way to the Fly-In |
John,
No one said a damn thing about "taking charge". And if that's what you got
out of my question, then you weren't listening. Mike in Utah
>From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1@comcast.net>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: On the way to the Fly-In
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:47:08 -0800
>
><kolbrapilot1@comcast.net>
>
>Mike and All,
>
>The 5th Annual Monument Valley Kolb Gathering has no staff, we don't want
>no staff and don't need no staff.
>
>Everyone that shows up at Goulding's is responsible for everthing they do
>or want to do.
>
>We have lots of rules.... They are called the FAR's. Everyone has to fly by
>them. When you do you stay safe. Goulding's is a Private Airport so their
>rules apply also.
>
>I can imagine that if anyone tried to be in charge, they would be run off
>by the the rest of the laid back Kolber's.
>
>--------
>John Williamson
>Arlington, TX
>
>Kolbra, 912ULS
>http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89760#89760
>
>
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| Subject: | Rockwell Collins Smacular Valve Displacement Metric Inocculator |
System M...
Obviously they will have to miniaturize it before we can install them in
Kolbs, but what a breakthrough in the melding of physics and engineering!...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxF8MIJf0_U
;-) DVD
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| Subject: | Re: On the way to the Fly-In |
don't want no staff and don't need no staff.
| John Williamson
John W:
Thanks, John W!
Folks attending our little flyin are pretty much self-policing. We
fly by the FAR's, Gouldings policies, and our own judgement, as mature
pilots. Some of us are pushing the overly "mature" bracket. ;-)
Us Kolbers are sort of like a big family. We invite newcomers, but we
do not readily invite change, especially for the sake of change.
Spent too much time in the Army to put up with that stuff now.
If you are driving in, really doesn't make much difference how us
pilots that fly in from all over CONUS conduct our flyin. Remember,
it is a flyin, not a drivein. However, everyone is welcome to attend.
Take care,
john h
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Hello,
My advise to all Kolb newbees,
Please ignore the advise of "the experts" who claim to have
experienced 10 or 12 engine outs.
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| Subject: | Re: Rockwell Collins Smacular Valve Displacement Metric Inocculator |
System M...
Dang, Dave. Now you tell me. In the dim past I was dir product
support fer old Collins Radio, later snuffed up by RockyWell. Had to
do lot of Dog&Pony Shows about like the movie. Thanks fer the laffs.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
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At 09:43 AM 1/23/2007, APilot@webtv.net wrote:
>
>Race for worst glide ratio..........Ercoupe or Piper Colt or Kolb?
Hah! I haven't flown my Kolb yet, but it CAN'T be worse than the
Quicksilver I was flying last year!
OTOH, I actually soared my T-Craft a couple of times with the engine off....
-Dana
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| Subject: | 447 torque values |
Guys, I'm looking for bolt torque specs for the crankcase bolts for the new style
447. I found a few references to crankcase screws in CPS catalogs and elsewhere
but it doesn't seem to jive. I have bolts with 13mm heads and that doesn't
match anything on the list. Can someone with an Authorized Rotax manual
post the numbers here?
Thanks so much.
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| Subject: | Re: Rockwell Collins Smacular Valve Displacement Metric Inocculator |
System M...
DAME!!!!
I gots to get me one of thoseHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Mark Vaughn
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From: david@davidlehman.net
Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:07 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Rockwell Collins Smacular Valve Displacement Metric
Inocculator System M...
Obviously they will have to miniaturize it before we can install
them in Kolbs, but what a breakthrough in the melding of physics and
engineering!...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxF8MIJf0_U
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At 10:52 AM 1/23/2007, n27sb@aol.com wrote:
>To be Fair in this comparison I think you need to add in the factor of
>available landing sites that offer no damage...my Firefly on floats
>probably has less than 8 to 1 but even at an altitude of 100 ft I can land
>with no damage 99.99999% of the time. Point is, There are other factors
>more important than Glide ratio.
True, I fly PPG too... an unpowered PG does about 8:1 but it's probably
closer to 6:1 with a stopped motor... but when you can fly a 50' circle and
land with a few running steps even in no wind, you have a large pick of
landing sites even with the crappy ratio.
-Dana
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I sold my Quicksilver MX in Aug 2006 to buy a Kolb Firefly (which I got in
October). I expected the Firefly to glide better, but it's actually
worse.
>
> Hah! I haven't flown my Kolb yet, but it CAN'T be worse than the
> Quicksilver I was flying last year!
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I certainly do not claim to be an "expert" nor do I "claim" to have had at
least 10 engines out - it's a fact Jack!
All I'm saying is that a Kolb does not "drop like a rock" - which is
straight down! Many on the Kolb list have experienced engine failure and
have "glided" to a safe landing. Some have not but even those did not "drop
like a rock". I just don't want to scare people who think that when an
engine quits on any plane it "drops out of the sky". Always have a good
landing site picked out no matter what you fly.
Peace and good flying.
Jim
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From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb glider
>
> Hello,
>
> My advise to all Kolb newbees,
>
> Please ignore the advise of "the experts" who claim to have
> experienced 10 or 12 engine outs.
>
>
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There are some dead-stick videos here where, for a rock, I have lot's of time to
enjoy the view...
Kip
http://gyrobuilder.homelinux.org/gallery2/v/monarch_flight/july2006/?g2_page=4
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Firestar II (born September 2000)
Atlanta, GA
N111KX
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TriPacer worse than Colt...dang nose thing-y grabs a load of wind.
BUTT, I got the FireFly to fly with "power," which it does as an
airplane (=vehicle in faa-speak). Anything else is just gravy/gravity.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
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| Subject: | Re: On the way to the Fly-In |
It would be nice if you dropped by and said 'Hi">>
Hi Mike,
let me have an address and a contact number and we might do that. We are
travelling on a fairly flexible timetable (or date table come to that) so no
promises but I guarantee not to turn up with no notice. Thanks very much
for the invitation.
Regarding the rest of your post as far as I can gather there are no rules,
at least I hope not. Gouldings is a private strip and their rules plus the
usual aviation rules are all I expect. Of course I shall be driving so this
is not really applicable to me but that is the way I gather things operate.
What flying I have done has all been in gliders and ultralights and mostly
non radio. Thats the way I like it. Keep your eyes outside the cockpit and
use your common sense. You ain`t flying in to O`Hare.
I got gently rowelled by John for using `disorganised` rather than
`unorganised`. Mea culpa!
Cheers
Pat
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my Firefly on floats probably has less than 8 to 1 but even at an
altitude of 100 ft I can land with no damage 99.99999% of the time..>>
well if you only fly over water all you have to do is wait a bit and
then flare. Heh Heh.
I have had to land quickly twice in my Challenger when the toothed belt
drive to the prop shed its teeth. Similar sort of glide performance as a
Firefly I should think. It doesn`t `drop like a rock` but from the sort
of height I usually fly, under 2000 ft, you look for a landing place in
an emergency right underneath you because you are not going to have
time to fly around searching for a spot. By the time you have flown a
360 looking for a place you had better be lined up on finals.
Cheers
Pat
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In a message dated 1/23/2007 3:07:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
n111kx@mindspring.com writes:
http://gyrobuilder.homelinux.org/gallery2/v/monarch_flight/july2006/?g2_page=4
I can't let you guys get away with such bad press on the Kolb glide, which
admittedly is by no means superior, but it is not as bad as the sound of your
dialog. I am a glider pilot, albeit way back in '80 in El Paso and Las Cruzes
NM, so I actually know the L/D that real gliders have.
my time in the Schweizer 233 and the 126 produced 20 to 1 or 25 to 1 L/D. On
the field was an old old glider used before the Big One in the '30s and it
had an L/D of 11 to 1. It was actually built a little like the Firestar
inasmuch as it was a high wing with a boom going back to the tail and a semi-open
cockpit.
It was a glider only.
And it was 11:1.
I have tested my Firestar KX many times and it always tests our at 9 or 9.5
to1. But every test was with the engine at idle.You could tell that the
spinning prop was a brake as it was necessary to fire up the RPMs quite high,
at
least above 3000 rpm,Afore any assist was felt on the airframe., And I do not
mean the aircraft was anywhere near climb mode. It was still mushing, but
it seemed that the prop was not offering drag around that rpm.
I have never killed power completely, but I suspect that if the prop were
stopped, the L/D would probably increase to at least 10:1....which is close to
that ol training glider on my field way back in '80
My Firestar only has a 5 rib wing and is probably a little liter than the
KXP, but a heavier glider has more penetration so ....who knows what the KXP
has?
Firestar Driver from The Villages Florida
George Randolph
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| Subject: | KOLB FIRE STAR L/D |
WHEN FLYING MY HANG GLIDER THE TOP OF EVERY THERMAL OR CLOUD BASE (
WHICH EVER COMES FIRST )
IS A FLAME OUT...... MY GLIDERS L/D IS 15:1 in...
WHAT I'LL NEED TO LEARN IS WHAT THE L/D OF A FLAMED OUT KOLB FIRESTAR
2 IS....
HAVE ANY OF YOU ONE EVER TRIED USING A DRAG CHUTE FOR GETTING INTO A
TIGHT LZ ??????
AND I DON'T MEAN YOUR BRS 8-)
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: flykolb@wowway.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb glider
I certainly do not claim to be an "expert" nor do I "claim" to have
had at
least 10 engines out - it's a fact Jack!
All I'm saying is that a Kolb does not "drop like a rock" - which is
straight down! Many on the Kolb list have experienced engine failure
and
have "glided" to a safe landing. Some have not but even those did not
"drop
like a rock". I just don't want to scare people who think that when an
engine quits on any plane it "drops out of the sky". Always have a good
landing site picked out no matter what you fly.
Peace and good flying.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <etzim62@earthlink.net>
To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb glider
<etzim62@earthlink.net>
>
> Hello,
>
> My advise to all Kolb newbees,
>
> Please ignore the advise of "the experts" who claim to have
> experienced 10 or 12 engine outs.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Mark-II for Sale |
Kolb Friends -
An acquaintance of mine has a Kolb Twinstar Mark-II for sale. I offered
to post details on this List, as he is not a List member. Our newest
List member, Mark Vaughn, is looking for a "Kolb II." Could this be the
one?
Dennis Kirby
$8500 (it has no engine)
Completely reworked 2 years ago, everything new.
Fully enclosed, custom fiberglass nosecone (more pointed than stock)
Full span ailerons, (no flaps - it's a Mark-II).
Electric trim, strobe, dual controls, nice seats & interior.
Ad & pictures are listed in Barnstormers.
Owner: Duane Brooks, Stapleton GA, (706)547-6900.
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At 01:45 PM 1/23/2007, Jim Dunn wrote:
>
>I sold my Quicksilver MX in Aug 2006 to buy a Kolb Firefly (which I got in
>October). I expected the Firefly to glide better, but it's actually
>worse.
Hmmm, one of the guys I was sharing an MX with flew my Ultrastar a few
times (before I bought it) and said compared to the MX, "it's a real
floater". I don't know how the US glide compares to the Firefly, though.
Hopefully in a month or two I'll see for myself...
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Mark-II for Sale |
Actally I'm interested in a firestar 2 ...
Not ready to write the check yet...
Must wake up my Private Ticket first....
Just trying to learn what I can before hand..
Thanks
Mark Vaughn
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From: Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil
Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark-II for Sale
<Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Kolb Friends -
An acquaintance of mine has a Kolb Twinstar Mark-II for sale. I offered
to post details on this List, as he is not a List member. Our newest
List member, Mark Vaughn, is looking for a "Kolb II." Could this be the
one?
Dennis Kirby
$8500 (it has no engine)
Completely reworked 2 years ago, everything new.
Fully enclosed, custom fiberglass nosecone (more pointed than stock)
Full span ailerons, (no flaps - it's a Mark-II).
Electric trim, strobe, dual controls, nice seats & interior.
Ad & pictures are listed in Barnstormers.
Owner: Duane Brooks, Stapleton GA, (706)547-6900.
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
hey pat if you have the time, as I know you will have the urge,as a glider
pilot, to go to La Jolla, just north of San Diego and go to the top of the
cliff overlooking the Pacific ocean just over "Black beach". You will be
amazed.... if it hasn't fallen into the ocean yet. To anyone who appreciates
challenging mother nature ... successfully, that is, the soaring done there is
phenomenal.... if it is still going on, does anyone know?
George Randolph
Firestar driver from the Villages in Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
I was there in Feb 2005 & they were Flying then! Jim
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From: GeoR38@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
hey pat if you have the time, as I know you will have the urge,as a
glider pilot, to go to La Jolla, just north of San Diego and go to the
top of the cliff overlooking the Pacific ocean just over "Black beach".
You will be amazed.... if it hasn't fallen into the ocean yet. To anyone
who appreciates challenging mother nature ... successfully, that is, the
soaring done there is phenomenal.... if it is still going on, does
anyone know?
George Randolph
Firestar driver from the Villages in Fl
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At 11:50 AM 1/23/2007, you wrote:
>
>I'm sticking with they drop like a rock and that's where I'll look
>for my fields, you do whatever works for you. ;-)
Maybe a rock with "wings"?
Get to post my tired old video again!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9177096133625180462&hl=en
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I don't think they saw your video...otherwise they'd be sing'n a different tune...
Lotsa time , lota glide.....HEY , You got Helium in dat thing ???
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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got in
| October). I expected the Firefly to glide better, but it's actually
| worse.
Jim D:
You musta got a bad one. The good ones fly pretty darn good, like
all Kolb airplanes.
john h
mkIII
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| Please ignore the advise of "the experts" who claim to have
| experienced 10 or 12 engine outs.
Eugene Z:
I respresent that remark.
Next you all will be talking about "Kolb quit", the dreaded Kolb
malady that sneaks up on the unsuspecting when the Kolb stops flying.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: 447 torque values |
for the new style 447.
| --------
| Scott Olendorf
Scott:
Should be able to find what you are looking for here:
http://www.kodiakbs.com/tiintro.htm
john h
mkIII
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I side slip my firestar on a regular basis it sslips right in there with
anyother flying machine without Flaps
Ellery in Maine
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Re: soaring the T-craft. I too, use to try and soar my PA-11 Cub
Special. I was successful only once, but it was a fun time. I had no
electric start so I had to have a least 1500 feet to get the engine
fired up again. Nice airplane. Wish that I still had it. But, my Mark
III Classic is lots of fun too. With my newly designed wing tips and my
sensitive variometer, I hope to soar it this summer. At least I will
have the luxury of being able to re-start my G10 engine without diving
the Bee-Jesus out of it.
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I would think any Kolb will side slip safely. My Mark III does nicely.
The downwind situation is true, but it is less of a problem when one
lets the plane drift to the downwind side on climb out, just in case a
180 is necessary. If there is a crosswind, then the turn will be less
than 180. Also, as one rolls out the potential stall the use of flaps
will help, if the airplane has flaps. I know of some who have tried the
180 turn back to the runway and are now history. Sad but true.
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Hi Ellery
Do you know if it's an approved manuver for the firestar ?
I use to slip in a flight schools 172 till I learned it wasn't rated
for it...... 8-/
Mark Vaughn
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From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FLAME OUTS
I side slip my firestar on a regular basis it sslips right in there
with anyother flying machine without Flaps
Ellery in Maine
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Re: Hang gliding......great sport and a wonderful way to fly. I love
it.
Vic in Sacramento (Hang III)
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I never heard anyone disaprove of side slipping a kolb. and I am sure if I am
doing something wrong I will sure hear about it after this post
I have let others take my little bird for a spin around the field and they
tell me they had to try a slip seeing me do it alot they tell me it looks like
a helicopter dropping in and they wer quite inmpressed with how it sliped
Ellery In Maine
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I had most of my training and have done most of my flying in a C-172, and,
as I recall, they're fine in slips - but not with flaps. I believe the
flaps change the airflow characteristics to where you can stall the tail
while slipping at low speeds. On short final, that's not a thing you need
real bad. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
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Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FLAME OUTS
>
> Hi Ellery
> Do you know if it's an approved manuver for the firestar ?
>
> I use to slip in a flight schools 172 till I learned it wasn't rated for
> it...... 8-/
>
> Mark Vaughn
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
In a message dated 1/23/2007 8:46:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jlsk1@frontiernet.net writes:
I was there in Feb 2005 & they were Flying then! Jim
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From: _GeoR38@aol.com_ (mailto:GeoR38@aol.com)
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
hey pat if you have the time, as I know you will have the urge,as a glider
pilot, to go to La Jolla, just north of San Diego and go to the top of the
cliff overlooking the Pacific ocean just over "Black beach". You will be
amazed.... if it hasn't fallen into the ocean yet. To anyone who appreciates
challenging mother nature ... successfully, that is, the soaring done there is
phenomenal.... if it is still going on, does anyone know?
Good Jim, I was sooooo impressed that I consider the place a national
treasure......but .......sadly.......I guess I'm the only one. Some of those
hang
gliders would ride the wave seemingly all the way down to La Jolla and back
without dropping a drop of petrol. Even the RC gliders would go a long ways as
well....and everything would come back and rise up to the lip of the cliff
and land right next to you. I merely say wow.
George Randolph
Firestar driver.......er...at least will be soon again
The Villages Fl
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Well its a good trick to keep handy in the bag of tricks...
sounds like it performs it well.... 8-)
Mark Vaughn
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From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FLAME OUTS
I never heard anyone disaprove of side slipping a kolb. and I am
sure if I am doing something wrong I will sure hear about it after
this post
I have let others take my little bird for a spin around the field and
they tell me they had to try a slip seeing me do it alot they tell me
it looks like a helicopter dropping in and they wer quite inmpressed
with how it sliped
Ellery In Maine
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That might very well have been my situation... I was a new pilot at the
time with less than a 100 hr....
This was 20 yrs ago so my story could be off a bit..
thanks for that FYI...
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: biglar@gogittum.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FLAME OUTS
I had most of my training and have done most of my flying in a C-172,
and, as I recall, they're fine in slips - but not with flaps. I believe
the flaps change the airflow characteristics to where you can stall the
tail while slipping at low speeds. On short final, that's not a thing
you need real bad. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message ----- From: <knowvne@aol.com>
To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FLAME OUTS
>
> Hi Ellery
> Do you know if it's an approved manuver for the firestar ?
>
> I use to slip in a flight schools 172 till I learned it wasn't rated
for > it...... 8-/
>
> Mark Vaughn
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Well friends, a journey begun 9 years, 10 months and 17 days ago has
finally come to an end. Or in the immortal words of our departed
(hopefully) aerial scholar. "Seeks mons ago I culdent evn spel Spor Pile
it and now I are one!" A promise that I made to the missus when I
started talking about flying was that I would get a Pilots Certificate,
is now fulfilled. Now, much sweat, stress and of course $money$ later I
can relax and enjoy flying. I think that I have more than 270 hours as a
UL Pilot, 20 hours dual instruction in a GA plane, so I shouldn't have
had much concern. However I had to fly a Quad City Challenger whose only
saving grace is that it lands like a kitten. The wind when we started
was almost a full sock, but it was only about 6 degrees off my right
wing. The plane to me has a real tendency to want to stick its tail in
the front rather than following along behind as it should. If you didn't
stay on top of it, the only way that you could get it back in line was
full left rudder and aileron full right. Which still doesn't seem right,
but it was what you had to do. With the wind like it was the poor stick
was being moved around like it was part of a butter churn, but none of
that showed on the outside and I am very pleased to report that both of
us were very happy with the outcome of the flight. I normally do wheel
landings in my Kolb at whatever altitude suits me, but very little of it
more than 200 feet off the ground. I of course had to learn to do it
properly from 1000 feet agl. I am used to landing in a restricted
distance, but really in a totally non professional manner. So it was a
bit of a shock to me that I actually had to pick a spot rather than a
runway. :-) However today all my landings were no further than 50 feet
from the spot.
Now I shall collapse!
Larry, Oregon , SPORT PILOT!
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Congrats Larry Im hoping im not to far behind you in the SP licensing
Ellery
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I certainly do not claim to be an "expert" nor do I "claim" to have had
at
least 10 engines out - it's a fact Jack!
All I'm saying is that a Kolb does not "drop like a rock" - which is
straight down! Many on the Kolb list have experienced engine failure and
have "glided" to a safe landing. Some have not but even those did not
"drop
like a rock". I just don't want to scare people who think that when an
engine quits on any plane it "drops out of the sky". Always have a good
landing site picked out no matter what you fly.
Peace and good flying.
Jim
<snip>
OK..."drops like a rock" is a commonly used exaggeration that means
"doesn't glide exceedingly well" not "instantly falls from sky"...that
being said, here is the best advice you'll get on the subject. "Know
thine OWN best glide speed (and stall speed, and ...etc.)" Those who
take the time and do a few tests with the engine at idle will know the
worst case for their aircraft. Some like to debate it but having tested
3 different planes both engine idle and engine off, they all glided
better engine off. So if you get a good idea of how far you can glide
engine idle, if the dreaded forced landing ever becomes a reality,
you'll get at least as good a glide rate as when you practiced engine
idle...
And worth what you paid for it...
Jeremy Casey
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| Subject: | Re: 447 torque values |
Great!
I looked there but didn't notice in the PARTS CATALOG it shows the torque values.
I probably skipped by it because it's all in German or Austrian, if there
is a difference. The pictures and part #s I can read though. :D
I'll be getting this back in the air really soon now.
Thanks much.
=================================
Should be able to find what you are looking for here:
http://www.kodiakbs.com/tiintro.htm
=================================
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89947#89947
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| Subject: | Re: On the way to the Fly-In |
Mike,
If it were to be regulated and have all the rules that you mention, we
would then have to have insurance, permission, and most of us would not be
interested in attending. We like to think that we as Kolb Pilots and even
"wanna be's" are not the "hey watch this" type, and if we run into one,
somehow there is a general tendency to bring him around. We like the list to
be a friendly place to share knowledge. It of course is not always that way,
and a lot of us belly ache and bitch until it returns that way. Most of us
are "old farts", that really hate anything organized as they are generally
structured towards people that do not have the common sense to behave
themselves and not bring unwanted attention to the sport. The cost and
requirements to make this an organized event is not within our ability. So
don't get too sensitive about it. It is nothing personal.
Larry, Oregon
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: On the way to the Fly-In
>
> John,
> No one said a damn thing about "taking charge". And if that's what you
> got out of my question, then you weren't listening. Mike in Utah
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Congratulations, Larry. Good going. Lar.
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Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
Well friends, a journey begun 9 years, 10 months and 17 days ago has
finally come to an end. Or in the immortal words of our departed
(hopefully) aerial scholar. "Seeks mons ago I culdent evn spel Spor Pile
it and now I are one!" A promise that I made to the missus when I
started talking about flying was that I would get a Pilots Certificate,
is now fulfilled. Now, much sweat, stress and of course $money$ later I
can relax and enjoy flying. I think that I have more than 270 hours as a
UL Pilot, 20 hours dual instruction in a GA plane, so I shouldn't have
had much concern. However I had to fly a Quad City Challenger whose only
saving grace is that it lands like a kitten. The wind when we started
was almost a full sock, but it was only about 6 degrees off my right
wing. The plane to me has a real tendency to want to stick its tail in
the front rather than following along behind as it should. If you didn't
stay on top of it, the only way that you could get it back in line was
full left rudder and aileron full right. Which still doesn't seem right,
but it was what you had to do. With the wind like it was the poor stick
was being moved around like it was part of a butter churn, but none of
that showed on the outside and I am very pleased to report that both of
us were very happy with the outcome of the flight. I normally do wheel
landings in my Kolb at whatever altitude suits me, but very little of it
more than 200 feet off the ground. I of course had to learn to do it
properly from 1000 feet agl. I am used to landing in a restricted
distance, but really in a totally non professional manner. So it was a
bit of a shock to me that I actually had to pick a spot rather than a
runway. :-) However today all my landings were no further than 50 feet
from the spot.
Now I shall collapse!
Larry, Oregon , SPORT PILOT!
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At 07:41 PM 1/23/2007, APilot@webtv.net wrote:
>
>...I had no
>electric start so I had to have a least 1500 feet to get the engine
>fired up again...At least I will
>have the luxury of being able to re-start my G10 engine without diving
>the Bee-Jesus out of it.
Yeah, same in the T-Craf, IIRC the prop would start spinning again just
below Vne... I suspect my US will take more than Vne to turn over a
2-stroke with reduction drive... not sure if I can pull start it from the seat.
-Dana
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At 08:31 PM 1/23/2007, knowvne@aol.com wrote:
>
>I use to slip in a flight schools 172 till I learned it wasn't rated for
>it...... 8-/
You can slip a 172, there's just not that much point to it because the
rudder isn't all that effective. As I recall, the manual said "avoid slips
with flaps extended" because it blanked the tail somewhat... not bad, but
there would be a bit of buffeting.
I would have expected that slips in a Kolb would be less useful than other
aircraft, since there's not much fuselage side area to offer drag. At
least there's no dihedral; in the Quicksilver MX you *can't* slip it
because there's so much dihedral that a tiny bit of rudder has more roll
authority than full aileron. The T-Craft, OTOH, you could stand it up on a
wingtip and drop like a ROCK.
-Dana
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True John but it won't happen if you give her a shot of SeaFoam!!!!
Please Do Not Archive....
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb glider
|
| Please ignore the advise of "the experts" who claim to have
| experienced 10 or 12 engine outs.
Eugene Z:
I respresent that remark.
Next you all will be talking about "Kolb quit", the dreaded Kolb
malady that sneaks up on the unsuspecting when the Kolb stops flying.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
In a message dated 1/23/2007 5:06:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
GeoR38@aol.com writes:
if it is still going on, does anyone know?
George Randolph
George,
I was at the Torry Pines Rec area in June of 2006 and they had the para
gliders running off the cliff and soaring as long as they cared to,then landing
back where they took off. I think that is near Blacks Beach.
Ed Diebel
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Congratulations, Larry Do not Archive.
Wayne Boyter
Roseburg,OR
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bourne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
Congratulations, Larry. Good going. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot
Well friends, a journey begun 9 years, 10 months and 17 days ago has
finally come to an end. Or in the immortal words of our departed
(hopefully) aerial scholar. "Seeks mons ago I culdent evn spel Spor Pile
it and now I are one!" A promise that I made to the missus when I
started talking about flying was that I would get a Pilots Certificate,
is now fulfilled. Now, much sweat, stress and of course $money$ later I
can relax and enjoy flying. I think that I have more than 270 hours as a
UL Pilot, 20 hours dual instruction in a GA plane, so I shouldn't have
had much concern. However I had to fly a Quad City Challenger whose only
saving grace is that it lands like a kitten. The wind when we started
was almost a full sock, but it was only about 6 degrees off my right
wing. The plane to me has a real tendency to want to stick its tail in
the front rather than following along behind as it should. If you didn't
stay on top of it, the only way that you could get it back in line was
full left rudder and aileron full right. Which still doesn't seem right,
but it was what you had to do. With the wind like it was the poor stick
was being moved around like it was part of a butter churn, but none of
that showed on the outside and I am very pleased to report that both of
us were very happy with the outcome of the flight. I normally do wheel
landings in my Kolb at whatever altitude suits me, but very little of it
more than 200 feet off the ground. I of course had to learn to do it
properly from 1000 feet agl. I am used to landing in a restricted
distance, but really in a totally non professional manner. So it was a
bit of a shock to me that I actually had to pick a spot rather than a
runway. :-) However today all my landings were no further than 50 feet
from the spot.
Now I shall collapse!
Larry, Oregon , SPORT PILOT!
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I think 8 to 1 glide is about right for mine at 50 mph.
20 mph over stall. Not so good with floats through.
At least "lotus floats" I'm sure Steve's are better.
But you can still gettum out of the trees with out too much damage.
"The last Possum" ..........except for John H. of course.
Greg finally sold his plane last weekend.
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| Greg finally sold his plane last weekend.
Possum:
You got that right.
I have two zero ground roll landings. One in the Ultrastar and one in
the Firestar. The US was a single point landing. The nose went into
the mud. The Firestar stopped its descent six inches prior to tough
down. Both landings were nose down and vertical through the trees.
Did Greg use a parachute or stall it into the trees?
I cheated and used a hand deployed butt saver both times.
john h
mkIII
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John,
How smart is it for a new guy to take advise from guys whose "success
" is the distinction of having "at least ten engine outs" ,
when we have men like you, and others with great success and
experience without that dubious distinction of "fact"?
For me the dreaded "Kolb quit" happens after sunset of a beautiful
flying day and I close the hanger door.
On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:53 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> | My advise to all Kolb newbees,
>
>
> Eugene Z:
>
> I respresent that remark.
>
> Next you all will be talking about "Kolb quit", the dreaded Kolb
> malady that sneaks up on the unsuspecting when the Kolb stops flying.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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At 09:41 PM 1/23/2007, you wrote:
>
>>...I had no
>>electric start so I had to have a least 1500 feet to get the engine
>>fired up again...At least I will
>>have the luxury of being able to re-start my G10 engine without diving
>>the Bee-Jesus out of it.
I'd bet you couldn't get a Kolb to re-start, even diving the
"Bee-Jesus" out of it ....at least a 2-Stroke.
E-Gear Boxes are nice to have if you want to play around
and are not comfortable taking it all the way to the ground.
I think it's great to just turn the switch off at say ... 8,000 ft. and
see how long you can keep it floating till you want to
restart or just land. It always bumps up my heart rate when
I turn the key off. No matter how many times I've done it before!
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