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1. 05:25 AM - Re: wings (planecrazzzy)
2. 05:35 AM - mk111 in Lancaster PA area? (Ulflyer73@aol.com)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: new video (John Hauck)
4. 06:30 AM - Re: wings (Richard Pike)
5. 06:37 AM - Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise (Terry)
6. 06:50 AM - Re: mk111 in Lancaster PA area? (Terry)
7. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: wings (Richard Pike)
8. 07:01 AM - Re: wings (John Hauck)
9. 07:34 AM - Re: wings (Richard Pike)
10. 07:39 AM - Rib Stitching (Mike Welch)
11. 08:16 AM - Re: wings (Mike Welch)
12. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum and routers (Vic Peters)
13. 08:27 AM - nick names (boyd)
14. 08:28 AM - Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings (planecrazzzy)
15. 08:28 AM - flaperons (boyd)
16. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: new video (Vic Peters)
17. 08:49 AM - Re: wings (John Hauck)
18. 08:50 AM - Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise (Jim Dunn)
19. 09:04 AM - Re: flaperons (Jim Dunn)
20. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings (kolbdriver@mlsharp.com)
21. 09:23 AM - Re: 8Hauck3J (Todd Fredricks)
22. 09:23 AM - Re: flaperons (John Hauck)
23. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels (Russ Kinne)
24. 09:25 AM - air speed markings. (boyd)
25. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum and routers (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
26. 11:42 AM - Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
27. 12:07 PM - Re: new video (R. Hankins)
28. 12:24 PM - Re: wings (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
29. 12:32 PM - Re: wings (planecrazzzy)
30. 12:44 PM - Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise (Jeremy Casey)
31. 12:51 PM - Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise (jim)
32. 01:01 PM - Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise (David Lehman)
33. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum and routers (Dana Hague)
34. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise (Dana Hague)
35. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels (Larry Bourne)
36. 03:39 PM - Re: 8Hauck3J (Larry Bourne)
37. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Best Oil Filter for the 912 (Larry Bourne)
38. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise (Mike Welch)
39. 04:54 PM - Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise (DAquaNut@aol.com)
40. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels (russ kinne)
41. 05:15 PM - Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels (planecrazzzy)
42. 05:16 PM - Re: new video (John Williamson)
43. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels (Larry Bourne)
44. 06:24 PM - Re: Kolb History (Richard Swiderski)
45. 07:09 PM - WING"S (stitch or rivets) ()
46. 09:52 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
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Hi Richard,
Just wondering.....on a Tractor , the rib stitching needs to
be "more" in the area of the prop blast.....
Did you just keep the same pattern all the way , since it's a pusher ?
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | mk111 in Lancaster PA area? |
I'm searching for someone who has a Mk111 in the Lancaster PA area that
would be willing to take me for a demo(will pay for fuel & time). I've got 150+
hrs in GA, less than 20 in ultralights(Quicksilver) but considering
purchasing a kolb. Any help is GREATLY appreciated.
Jason
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Here are some sheep from last year.
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| Nice videos Larry.
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| Roger in Oregon
Roger:
Did you take that photo last May, when we all flew over to the Alvord
from the Rock House?
Great shot, getting that close to the sheep.
john h
mkIII
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But you were correct the first time.
There is no indication of weakened ribs because of rib stitching... <grin>
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wings
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> Hi Gang:
>
> Made a boo boo. The above is incorrect. Should have said, "No
> indication of weakened ribs because of drilling for fabric rivets."
>
> Xin loi!!
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> john h
> mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/25/2007 2:31:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> tkrolfe@usadatanet.net writes:
>
>
> I get about 2 gph on my FireFly. I swing a 66" Tennessee Prop and
> can
> go about 120 miles before having to set down for more fuel
> depending on
> the air density and my flying maneuvers. Great mileage now, but
> cold!!!!!
>
> Enjoy your FireFly!!!
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
>
> Terry,
>
> What speed are you cruising to get 2 gph? I burn 3.5-
> 3.45 gph at 60-65 mph
>
> Ed (In Houston FF#62) Where we had A sunny day for the
> first time in 2 weeks!
>
>
Ed,
What's your hurry? I like to fly slow and gawk, that's why I built a
FireFly ultralight. I normally cruise at 5,000 to 5,200 rpm which
translates into 50 mph to 52 mph. Sometimes at 4,800 rpm if interested
in a particular place and want to enjoy. I can go faster, but don't
need to. Flying for pleasure, not to get somewhere. This is with an
open cockpit, probably could do a little better with a full enclosure.
Also, the number of takeoff's really increases the fuel burn rate.
Fuel consumption goes up in mid summer with the loss of air density.
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: mk111 in Lancaster PA area? |
Ulflyer73@aol.com wrote:
> I'm searching for someone who has a Mk111 in the Lancaster PA area
> that would be willing to take me for a demo(will pay for fuel &
> time). I've got 150+ hrs in GA, less than 20 in
> ultralights(Quicksilver) but considering purchasing a kolb. Any help
> is GREATLY appreciated.
>
> Jason
Jason,
The only Mark III I know of in the Lancaster, PA area is folded up in a
hanger gathering dirt for the last couple of years. Not flight worthy
at this point. There are two FireStar II, a Mark II and a SlingShot in
this area that fly regularly.
Terry - FireFly #95
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Yep. But I put a few extra on the tail surfaces. Probably more than
necessary...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: wings
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> Hi Richard,
> Just wondering.....on a Tractor , the rib stitching needs
> to
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> be "more" in the area of the prop blast.....
>
> Did you just keep the same pattern all the way , since it's a pusher ?
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
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| There is no indication of weakened ribs because of rib stitching...
<grin>
| Richard Pike
Morning Richard:
I agree.
Last night, after I went to bed, I remembered what I was trying to
think of about the comparison of rib stitching and fabric rivets. It
has to do with grip and pull.
Wooden rib caps are usually flat and wide. Rib stiching does a good
job of covering the same width of fabric and reinforcing tape as the
width of the rib cap.
On the other hand, rib stitching a 5/16" tube presents a problem or
two. First, if we grab the same amount of reinforcing tape and fabric
as the width of the rib, the rib stitch will pull the fabric down
around the round rib cap. Second, if we grab the apex of the round
rib cap, we may not have sufficient material to secure it correctly.
I may be wrong, but that is what was running through my head when I
went to sleep last night.
Now, which system is quicker? Probably depends on the operator.
However, it doesn't take long to mark and drill the rivet holes before
the fabric goes on. Then a quick once over with the pencil soldering
iron to burn through the reinforcing tape and fabric. Setting and
popping the rivets is quick. All this requires one man.
I have very little rib stitching experience. I stitched the rear
longerons of the mkIII fuselage in the area of prop drumming. Was
made more difficult because I had already installed the fuel tank and
most of the stitching was "blind" stitching. Don't want to do that
again.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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Correct on all counts. If you are going to rib stitch 5/16" tubing, you want
1/4" wide reinforcing tape.
Perhaps the most important thing is your mentioning that rivits take one
man. If you are going to do it by yourself, by all means, use rivits.
If you have the luxury of a companion to talk to while you poke the needle
back and forth from one side of the wing to the other, with a cup of coffee
sitting on the stool next to you, rib stitching becomes more appealing.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wings
>
>
> <grin>
>
> Morning Richard:
>
> I agree.
>
> Last night, after I went to bed, I remembered what I was trying to
> think of about the comparison of rib stitching and fabric rivets. It
> has to do with grip and pull.
>
> Wooden rib caps are usually flat and wide. Rib stiching does a good
> job of covering the same width of fabric and reinforcing tape as the
> width of the rib cap.
>
> On the other hand, rib stitching a 5/16" tube presents a problem or
> two. First, if we grab the same amount of reinforcing tape and fabric
> as the width of the rib, the rib stitch will pull the fabric down
> around the round rib cap. Second, if we grab the apex of the round
> rib cap, we may not have sufficient material to secure it correctly.
>
> I may be wrong, but that is what was running through my head when I
> went to sleep last night.
>
> Now, which system is quicker? Probably depends on the operator.
> However, it doesn't take long to mark and drill the rivet holes before
> the fabric goes on. Then a quick once over with the pencil soldering
> iron to burn through the reinforcing tape and fabric. Setting and
> popping the rivets is quick. All this requires one man.
>
> I have very little rib stitching experience. I stitched the rear
> longerons of the mkIII fuselage in the area of prop drumming. Was
> made more difficult because I had already installed the fuel tank and
> most of the stitching was "blind" stitching. Don't want to do that
> again.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
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Rob,
I decided to do rib-stiching, instead of rivets on my MKIII Classic. I
have covered the upper half of one wing, and that was about 4 years ago.
I'm actually going to uncover it---and recover with new materal all the same
age on all surfaces. (I haven't finished building the plane, yet. but
soon, I hope)
As far as I know, maybe rivets are ok, I've never seen a riveted fabric
wing. But I felt stitching would give me the ability to increase the attach
points, and make a slightly smoother ridge.
Not here to criticize rivets, just chose my own preference.
I can tell you one thing....rib-stiching by yourself is a joke. Running
in circles around the wing is a diizzying nightmare. You REALLY want to
find a competant helper if you are going to rib-stitch. But, if I can't
find a helper, then I'm going to rivet!!!!
Oh, BTW, Dondi recommends the narrower reinforcing tape than the 1/2" wide
stuff we're normally supplied with, for stitching.
Yay!!!! Yesterday, I went down to the local building dept. and picked up
the permit for my (airplane) shop. Picked up the pool permit on Wednesday.
So, officially today I begin tractor work
on my pool and shop. (I've been a concrete and general contractor for 30+
years)
Have a pleasant day all. I, for one, hear a tractor calling my
name..............Mike in Utah
FYI I saw on the weather this morning, we in St. George are about double
Salt Lake City's temp.
We should get to 59, they'll see 31 degrees. We're kind of the balmy part
of the state.....much like Vegas weather...........gotta go.
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For what it's worth...
John H. has some important points re: stitching, and bunching of
tape, etc. And as I already stated, stitching is really a two man job.
Although I intended on rib-stitching, my mind can easily be changed!!!!
My only question is: Are the rivets very noticable when the wing is
finished???
If they aren't, then I will go back to the rivet method. It will be a LOT
less work, that's for sure.
Mike in Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum and routers |
I tried the router table trick with 3/8" aluminun, free hand. Not too
bright but it worked great. First cut it out with a jig saw and cutting
oil (the type you would use with a drill press). Without the oil you
could only get about an inch of cut.
Then I tried the 1/8" instrument panel that comes with the Extra's pod.
That plate fetched up on the bit jumped in the air fell back on the bit
busted it and bound up stopping the motor. The only thing I could do was
yank the power plug.
Believe it or not all was saved except the bit ofcourse. I finished
it with gloves on. If you have a router table and like your fingers use
a clamping system.
Vic
912 EXRA
Me.
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There are about 50% mormon people here
(they prefer to be called "LDS"'s). I'm NOT an LDS, but they sure are NICE
people!! They go out of their way to be friendly and help out!!
We, I mean us Mormons, by the way is a nick name because of the
"Book of Mormon" we believe is Another Testament of Jesus Christ.
The name we prefer to go by is " Members of the 'Church Of Jesus
Christ of Latter Day Saints'"
That is all I am going to say on the list, but wanted to make it clear.
If anyone wants to continue this dialog,,, please do so off list
Do not archive
Boyd Young
by0ung@brigham.net
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| Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings |
Hey Guys,
I'm amazed how so many people in our line of hobbie that
don't know about this book.....A packet for Homebuilts is "FREE" from the
FAA ....it's some guide lines to get yer plane in the air....
Here's a copy of the front cover , and page 11 , where they talk about
marking the glass on the instrument .....They say "paint" , but my Tape
worked to pass the inspection.
The book Number ....AC NO 90-89A
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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The Xtra wing uses flaperons.
The Classic wing uses seperate flaps and ailerons.
Was the use of flaperons to save weight, complexity, or parts count???
And would the flaperons cause a bit more adverse yaw than ailerons?
Boyd
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Cool videos and pics guys, I see the sheep but I don't see no
steeeenking horses.
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Vic
Me.
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| My only question is: Are the rivets very noticable when the wing
is
| finished???
Mike:
Take a look.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
It performs pretty well with the 503 but I haven't flown a FF with a 447
to compare it with. The previous owner cut a new IVO 3-bladed prop down
to 54" diameter. Performance would probably be better with a new 62"
3-bladed Ivo, but I'm not sure it would be worth $550+ to find out. I
have a used Ivo Left hand prop in great condition (3 blades only) if
someone wants to trade with me I can find out. This Spring I will do more
flying, testing, and tweeking to try to determine its performance. There
is also another Firefly owner about 90 miles N of me. Maybe we could get
together for a race to 5000'. I have seen his plane fly (with 2-bladed
Tenessee prop) and I think he would win.
BTW, I really like the oil injection. It saves a lot of mess and now if I
don't use my UL fuel fast enough, I can dump it in my car. I can also buy
Avgas on a XC without the mess and worry of mixing correctly.
> | > My Firefly has a 503 DCDI.
>
>
> Earl:
>
> I get a rush flying a 447 FF. The 503 would blow my mind.
>
> john h
> mkIII
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Just guessing here, but I would think flaperons would be used to get the
best of both worlds: Maximum surface area for flaps (lower stall speed),
and maxiumum roll authority.
Jim
N. Idaho
>
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> The Xtra wing uses flaperons.
> The Classic wing uses seperate flaps and ailerons.
>
>
> Was the use of flaperons to save weight, complexity, or parts count???
>
> And would the flaperons cause a bit more adverse yaw than ailerons?
>
> Boyd
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings |
You can get that guideline from the FAA website in PDF format... I have it if anyone
would like me to forward it to you...
Mike
Oak Grove Missouri..
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----- Original Message ----
From: planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:27:56 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings
Hey Guys,
I'm amazed how so many people in our line of hobbie that
don't know about this book.....A packet for Homebuilts is "FREE" from the
FAA ....it's some guide lines to get yer plane in the air....
Here's a copy of the front cover , and page 11 , where they talk about
marking the glass on the instrument .....They say "paint" , but my Tape
worked to pass the inspection.
The book Number ....AC NO 90-89A
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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John:
Can you send me that picture of Miss P'Fer in larger format?
Todd
On 1/26/07 11:48 AM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> ?
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get the
| best of both worlds: Maximum surface area for flaps (lower stall
speed),
| and maxiumum roll authority.
|
| Jim
Jim:
In the real world of Kolb, it works just the opposite.
Flaps and ailerons perform better on the mkIII.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels |
"Way back in the beginnings of Vamoose?" -- I didn't think routers
had even been invented that long ago --
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On Jan 25, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Larry Bourne wrote:
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> Way back in the beginnings of Vamoose, some "friend" told me to use
> a router to cut thin sheet aluminum, so I gave it a go. It
> worked ! ! ! Cut that there alumineeum like cheese.........but
> cleanup was a beast. Man, did that ever make a
> mess. Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Santa Fe, NM
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy"
> <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:13 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels
>
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>> <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
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>> Why would you use a Diamond wheel to cut Aluminum ????
>>
>> Seems like it would just "Gum" it up....
>>
>> They make stuff that coats an abrasive wheel so that it won't gum up
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>> Sometimes WD-40 will work too....
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>> Gotta Fly...
>> Mike in MN
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| Subject: | air speed markings. |
I see in a lot of pictures you guys have nice, perfect looking white, red
and green
arcs on your airspeed indicators.
Being that every plane is different, im assuming that you put these markings
on
yourself ? How did you guys do this ?
it seems I went into paint and found the circle drawing tool, made some
concentric circles and played with the end points and did a paint fill to
put the colors down. Printed it on sticky labels, cut the excess and
pasted on the glass of the asi.
Boyd.
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum and routers |
Vic
I know I gotta come up there and watch you for a while that sounded like it
was really something to watch I have a Milling machine to cut your panel out
on you know and a Metal Shear and a 8' metal Break is available here too
Thanks for the Entertainment though
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
Jim Dunn wrote:
>
> It performs pretty well with the 503 but I haven't flown a FF with a 447
> to compare it with. The previous owner cut a new IVO 3-bladed prop down
> to 54" diameter. Performance would probably be better with a new 62"
> 3-bladed Ivo, but I'm not sure it would be worth $550+ to find out.
Put a two blade 66" or 68" prop. on and it would be a pocket rocket!
I fly with a guy who has FF with 447 two blade IVO 62" or 64", and the
older larger cord ailerons and I believe his climb rate is well over
1000 fpm. ~ Earl
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John:
Yes, these are the sheep we saw just north of the Alvord. The twelve-X zoom and
image stabilizer on the Panasonic FZ-5 make shots like this possible (and safe).
I'll post a few more on Monday if anyone would like to see them. I'll
be away from the computer 'til then. Hope to fly from my home base to the Rock
House get together this year. I need to get my fishing pole and tackle box
out of Larry's hanger.
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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<< Has anyone chose to rib stitch instead of riveting the skin to the
wing's? I'm thinking it will leave the rib's stronger this way as
apposed to drilling into them. Any thought's -- Rob. >>
Rob - I rib stitched the fabric to the wings of my Kolb. I like to
think it was less work than drilling a thousand holes in 5/16" tubes.
Plus, the finish is less bumpy. Like you, my thoughts are that it will
be much easier to remove the old fabric if I ever have to replace the
wing fabric.
But best of all, learning & perfecting the rib stitching technique was
an enjoyable and very gratifying part of the building process for me!
Learning the special finishing knot was fun.
If you are even mildly considering rib stitching over rivets, my advice
is, "Go for the rib stitching!"
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, 63 hrs
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A Thousand Holes...?
.
There's your problem.... You drilled 750 holes too many.....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland. wrote:
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>
> Rob - I rib stitched the fabric to the wings of my Kolb. I like to
> think it was less work than drilling a thousand holes in 5/16" tubes.
> Plus, the finish is less bumpy. Like you, my thoughts are that it will
> be much easier to remove the old fabric if I ever have to replace the
> wing fabric.
>
> But best of all, learning & perfecting the rib stitching technique was
> an enjoyable and very gratifying part of the building process for me!
> Learning the special finishing knot was fun.
>
> If you are even mildly considering rib stitching over rivets, my advice
> is, "Go for the rib stitching!"
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-III, 912ul, 63 hrs
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow at Cruise |
So your telling me that same plane, same engine, same airspeed got 1 GPH
better fuel consumption with a single carb instead of 2?
Jeremy
-----Original Message-----
From: David Lehman [mailto:david@davidlehman.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Flow at Cruise
Original dirty Firestar...
3-3.5+/- GPH, single carb. 503, indicate 67@SL...
4-4.5+/- GPH, dual carb. 503, indicate 67@SL...
DVD
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
I don't think a 66 or 68" 2-bladed prop will fit in the enclosed trailer that came
with the Firefly. After I get everything the way I want it and the weather
warms up, I'll make some quantitative tests. If it doesn't do at least 1000fpm
ROC with the existing prop, I will probably go to the longest 3-bladed prop
that will fit in the trailer (I'm hoping 62").
>From what I've heard, 3 bladed props give better climb and 2-bladed better cruise.
With the FF climb performance is not a problem so I'd rather have a 2-bladed
prop to reduce weight and increase cruise. Unfortunately, if need to go
to a new one I think space requirements will dictate a 3-bladed prop.
Thanks,
Jim
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N. Idaho
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
That's correct...
Big difference is in takeoff roll and initial ROC... Same 66X34 Tennessee
woody gives me 6800 RPM with two carbs., 6400 RPM with one...
DVD
On 1/26/07, Jeremy Casey <1planeguy@kilocharlie.us> wrote:
>
> So your telling me that same plane, same engine, same airspeed got 1 GPH
> better fuel consumption with a single carb instead of 2?
>
>
> Jeremy
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum and routers |
At 11:21 AM 1/26/2007, Vic Peters wrote:
>I tried the router table trick with 3/8" aluminun, free hand. Not too
>bright but it worked...
For straight cuts...
When I built my PPG I used a radial arm saw with a metal/plastic cutting
blade to cut all the aluminum. You have to use stick wax and push the
blade into the work (rather than pulling like you do with wood), but it
worked OK for sheet and tubing. The few small curves I needed I did with
short cuts and a belt sander.
I need a band saw!
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
At 03:51 PM 1/26/2007, jim wrote:
>I don't think a 66 or 68" 2-bladed prop will fit in the enclosed trailer
>that came with the Firefly...
How can you fold the wings with a 3-blade prop?
> From what I've heard, 3 bladed props give better climb and 2-bladed
> better cruise...
That sorta makes sense. All other things being equal, a 2-blade prop is
more efficient (a 1 blade is even better, but obviously raises other
issues). However, if you're limited by diameter for how much power the
prop can absorb, adding a blade will give better full throttle
performance. At reduced cruise power settings, the efficiency gain of the
2-blade is more important.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels |
Now yer pickin' on me again. :-) Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Kinne" <russ@rkiphoto.com>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels
>
> "Way back in the beginnings of Vamoose?" -- I didn't think routers had
> even been invented that long ago --
>
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If he can't, I can. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Fredricks" <flyingfox@copper.net>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 8Hauck3J
>
> John:
>
> Can you send me that picture of Miss P'Fer in larger format?
>
> Todd
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Best Oil Filter for the 912 |
That's all well and good, but you might want to listen to what Dodge has to
say about using Fram filters on the Cummins diesel. Why take a chance ??
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Best Oil Filter for the 912
>
>
> exact same results that Robert did.
>
>
> Hi Mike:
>
> IIRC I have already given you my opinion and the product I use on this
> issue.
>
> I read all these "less than scientic" "unprofessional" reports that
> you posted some time ago, well before Roger Lee posted reference 912
> oil filters. I just now scanned through them very quickly. Did not
> see any info on first pass or one pass percentage of filtration. The
> filter I use is 98%. I have been flying more than 2,000 hours with
> the Fram filters. The one I use now is the Fram TG3614. If I want to
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
Ah ha Jim!
There's your problem....you have to wait for the weather to warm up!!!
HeHe
Mike in Utah (60 degrees today, I actually started sweating
while doing tractor work)
>From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:51:40 -0800
>
>
>I don't think a 66 or 68" 2-bladed prop will fit in the enclosed trailer
>that came with the Firefly. After I get everything the way I want it and
>the weather warms up, I'll make some quantitative tests. If it doesn't do
>at least 1000fpm ROC with the existing prop, I will probably go to the
>longest 3-bladed prop that will fit in the trailer (I'm hoping 62").
>
> >From what I've heard, 3 bladed props give better climb and 2-bladed
>better cruise. With the FF climb performance is not a problem so I'd
>rather have a 2-bladed prop to reduce weight and increase cruise.
>Unfortunately, if need to go to a new one I think space requirements will
>dictate a 3-bladed prop.
>
>Thanks,
>Jim
>
>--------
>Jim
>N. Idaho
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90680#90680
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
In a message dated 1/26/2007 8:38:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,
tkrolfe@usadatanet.net writes:
Ed,
What's your hurry? I like to fly slow and gawk, that's why I built a
FireFly ultralight. I normally cruise at 5,000 to 5,200 rpm which translates
into
50 mph to 52 mph. Sometimes at 4,800 rpm if interested in a particular
place and want to enjoy. I can go faster, but don't need to. Flying for
pleasure, not to get somewhere. This is with an open cockpit, probably could
do a
little better with a full enclosure. Also, the number of takeoff's really
increases the fuel burn rate.
Fuel consumption goes up in mid summer with the loss of air density.
Terry - FireFly #95
Terry,
When you said you could go 120 miles before refueling, I assumed you
were flying to get somewhere. So you figure if I held my RPMS to 5200 I should
be able to go 100 miles on a tank? I havent tried going that slow when going
cross country!
Ed (Firefly #62)
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels |
Only in a friendly manner! -- you know that
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On Jan 26, 2007, at 7:33 PM, Larry Bourne wrote:
>
> Now yer pickin' on me again. :-) Lar. Do
> not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Santa Fe, NM
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Kinne" <russ@rkiphoto.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting
> wheels
>
>
>>
>> "Way back in the beginnings of Vamoose?" -- I didn't think
>> routers had even been invented that long ago --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels |
Hey Big Lar,
What's the word on the Bird....
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.
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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here are some of the wild horses.
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot2/horses.MOV
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels |
Right now, the bird lives in California, and the Lar lives in New Mexico.
Not likely to change for a month or 3. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels
>
> Hey Big Lar,
> What's the word on the Bird....
> .
> .
> .
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
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> .
> .
> .
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb History |
Mike,
Do you know when those pictures where taken of my old UltraStar? I sure
was glad to get hold of them, Thanks.
Richard Swiderski
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| Subject: | WING"S (stitch or rivets) |
OK, Thank's for all the input. I think I will stitch it. I will stitch it because
I think it will leave the wing's a little bit stronger and If I ever have
to re cover the plane I can't imagine drilling all the hole's AGAIN and putting
rivet's back into what now will probably be a larger sloppy hole (which now
will be even weaker) and fly it with confidence. This is just my opinion. I
have a beautiful sexy wife that would love to help guide my needle into the hole
in the wing's fabric......... smiling
--
Rob.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
2 Blade prop Better all around Climb and Cruse
Ellery
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