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1. 07:32 AM - Fw: Speaking of fabric (Vic Peters)
2. 07:33 AM - Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs (Rex Rodebush)
3. 07:44 AM - Re: Kolb Road (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
4. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs (John Hauck)
5. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs (John Hauck)
6. 08:30 AM - Re: Help DVD's (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
7. 08:31 AM - Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs (Rex Rodebush)
8. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs (Richard Girard)
9. 08:49 AM - Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs (Rex Rodebush)
10. 09:39 AM - antennas (boyd)
11. 09:55 AM - Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... (Paul Petty)
12. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... (kolbdriver@mlsharp.com)
13. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs (John Hauck)
14. 01:11 PM - Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs (Rex Rodebush)
15. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... (John Cooley)
16. 01:53 PM - Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... (Paul Petty)
17. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... (John Hauck)
18. 01:59 PM - Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... (Paul Petty)
19. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... (John Cooley)
20. 04:08 PM - Winter flying (need skis) (jim)
21. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... (Kolbdriver)
22. 06:05 PM - Re: Winter flying (need skis) (Vic Peters)
23. 06:23 PM - Charles Brown - Kolb Firestar II builder - Tucson, AZ area (John H Murphy)
24. 09:26 PM - Tractor Kolb Firefly ? (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
25. 10:04 PM - Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? (knowvne@aol.com)
26. 10:21 PM - Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Fw: Speaking of fabric |
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Peters
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: Speaking of fabric
How does one avoid a scalloped edge of fabric when folding over and
gluing the final edge of a fabric seam. I start with a clean cut
straight edge of fabric but going up and over any ribs that sit on top
of a tube causes it to look crooked. Their seems to be no way to cut a
crooked line that looks straight until its glued.
Any tricks?
Vic
912 Extra
Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
I think Kolb supplied two designs for the steel legs. A very flexible version
(I think Steve Green has these); and a very stiff, heat treated version which
I think is now the standard. I traded my old aluminum legs to Travis & bought
the new, stiff legs. I installed extensions so they go up to the top of the
"V" in the cage. I had to use carbide bits to drill these. They were very tough.
The deflection is minimal.
See attached pictures for the extensions and the legs.
Rex Rodebush
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<< Tucson, AZ. She ... told me there's a Kolb Rd. there. does
anyone know; is Kolb Road a coincidence?? Dave Kulp >>
Hey, Dave -
I grew up in Tucson. Kolb Road has been there forever - I'm sure there
is no relation to Homer and his humble airplanes. In the early-70s
(when I was in high school), Kolb Rd was WAY out on the outskirts of
Tucson - it was a favorite spot for drag racing and boony parties.
Today, it's all developed.
Dennis Kirby
New Mexico
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
| See attached pictures for the extensions and the legs.
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| Rex Rodebush
Rex:
I think you may be a bit confused on the steel gear legs.
Normalized 4130 is stiff. When bent, it will remain bent.
Heat treated 4130 is flexible. When bent, it will return to its
original shape. It is now a spring.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Rodebush
Rex:
Forgot to mention in previous post.
The heat treated legs will seem very stiff until there is some weight
on them. Once you get the engine, wings, fuel, and your body in the
airplane, the legs will get quite flexible. Without the weight, they
will seem like they will not bend.
john h
mkIII
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<< I was wondering if anyone on the list has watched them. If so, are
they worth the cost? Scott >>
Scott - I have not seen any of these Help DVDs, but I do know that they
are produced by former-Kolb-List member Jon Croke. So ... they're
probably excellent! (He used to own a Firestar. Flies a CH-701 now.)
Dennis Kirby
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Hi John,
My understanding is that if you take a piece of 4140 normalized and bend it it
will deflect to the yield point and then deform. If you take the same piece and
heat treat it (heat, quench and draw) to a higher yield it will then bend and
deflect but will require a much higher force to bend the same amount and will
therefore be stiffer (and also harder with the higher yield).
If I'm wrong on this let me know.
Rex Rodebush
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
John, One of the things that helped make up my mind to not install the steel
legs is the need to change the wing angle of incidence (according to the TNK
document that came with the legs). Did you do this and if so, how?
Rick
On 1/30/07, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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> Rodebush
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> Rex:
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> Forgot to mention in previous post.
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> The heat treated legs will seem very stiff until there is some weight
> on them. Once you get the engine, wings, fuel, and your body in the
> airplane, the legs will get quite flexible. Without the weight, they
> will seem like they will not bend.
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> john h
> mkIII
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Rex:
"Forgot to mention in previous post.
The heat treated legs will seem very stiff until there is some weight
on them. Once you get the engine, wings, fuel, and your body in the
airplane, the legs will get quite flexible. Without the weight, they..."
John,
I agree, I think we are saying the same thing.
Also, I did not change the wing incendence. These legs plus the fat tires will
set me up higher so I'm closer to a 3 point stall landing, which I want.
Rex
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Several years ago there was a great hue and cry about trimming/
adjusting VHF antennas and their associated transmission lines/coax
for exact SWRs. This so-called "problem" is greatly overrated at the
transmitter power levels found in our powerful 1-5 watters. And the
same obtains with the associated receiver. SWRs of 2:1, even 3:1
won't "blow" the final amp in the xmtr; nor will there be much
perceived loss of rcvr sensitivity. Antenna placement and altitude
are much larger factors.
Bob N.
You are exactly correct with regard to 2 to 1 and a properly tuned
antenna at 1 to 1 in the center of the band will probably have a 2 to 1 at
each end... but 3 to 1 is a stretch for me... and for those who don't
check it.... who knows what it really is.
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
Mike,
Are you sure a cat did this damage? I cant imagine a cats claw ripping the fabric
like that. If so you must have some pretty mean cats sir!
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
Yes, the wings are hanging in the garage about 7 feet off the ground. There is
the Son in Law's piano sitting underneath them. (another story) I imagine that
one or both of them tried to jump on the wing and slipped causing the slashes..
The sweet kitties are about 12 lbs each... There are other marks on the
top side, which the photo doesn't show, that is definite Feline sign...
Mike
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From: Paul Petty <paulpetty@myway.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:55:23 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Mike,
Are you sure a cat did this damage? I cant imagine a cats claw ripping the fabric
like that. If so you must have some pretty mean cats sir!
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
| John, One of the things that helped make up my mind to not install
the steel
| legs is the need to change the wing angle of incidence (according to
the TNK
| document that came with the legs). Did you do this and if so, how?
|
| Rick
Rick:
No, I didn't do that. First I heard of it.
My legs and main gear mounts were designed and fabricated by Brother
Jim. I left the incidence per what was called for in the plans.
Would be nice to have less incidence, probably pick up a few mph by
having the tail boom fly straight through the air, rather than at an
angle which increases drag. A little late for that at this time.
Don't want to change windshield, quarter windows, and lift struts.
I am pretty happy with 88 mph at 5,000 rpm empty with 10 gal fuel. Of
course this slows down to around 80 to 85 when I am seriously loaded
to go traveling. Still a decent cruise speed that has proven, if I am
patient, I can get there and get home.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
| John, One of the things that helped make up my mind to not install
the steel
| legs is the need to change the wing angle of incidence (according to
the TNK
| document that came with the legs). Did you do this and if so, how?
|
| Rick
Rick:
No, I didn't do that. First I heard of it.
John / Rick,
kolb is suppling a new rear wing attach fitting that is slightly wider than the
old one. This allows you to add washers on either side to raise or lower the
trailing edge. I wanted these just in case I needed them for fine tuning. I
think they were made so you could compensate for the new gear. Travis could
give you the details.
Rex
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
12lbs each?????!!!!!!! That's more like a bobcat or mountain lion. All you
folks suggesting the varmit calibers can forget it. Kitties that big need a
7mm mag.
I did have a similar tear in the top of my Firestar wing. It wasn't from
cats, it was self induced. I had the plane folded and under the open end of
my shop when a summer thunderstorm came through. The tailwheel was on a
small 3 wheeled dolly and a wind gust caught the wings and pushed them into
a 4x4 support post. The result was ugly and made me sick. The repairs, per
the polyfiber manual, are not too noticeable. Will attach a pic or two.
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John Cooley
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kolbdriver@mlsharp.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Yes, the wings are hanging in the garage about 7 feet off the ground. There
is the Son in Law's piano sitting underneath them. (another story) I
imagine that one or both of them tried to jump on the wing and slipped
causing the slashes.. The sweet kitties are about 12 lbs each... There are
other marks on the top side, which the photo doesn't show, that is definite
Feline sign...
Mike
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From: Paul Petty <paulpetty@myway.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:55:23 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Mike,
Are you sure a cat did this damage? I cant imagine a cats claw ripping the
fabric like that. If so you must have some pretty mean cats sir!
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
John,
Is that poly tone or areothane? So far I havent had the spots in the cub yellow
areothane.....knock on wood. Hows the mark3 coming along?
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Paul Petty
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Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
John C:
You did a good job on the wing repair. Really looks good.
Super important area for proper patching. To lose a patch in that
area in flight would blow all the fabric off the wing.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
Mike,
I trust you know what did the damage to the wing but I have a hard time beleving
a cat could do that type of damage. You dont have a pissed off girlfriend of
wife lurking in your shop do you? hehehe
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Paul Petty
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Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
Paul,
It is poly tone on the fabric. I have cub yellow areothane on the boom tube
and it has the spots too.
I will probably use the Air Tech system on the MK III based on information I
got from a guy that has done a good many cover jobs.
I know that most folks on here use the poly fiber system and Jim and Dondi
Miller are great folks but my experience with the cub yellow has really
turned me off. It has happened to me on two different planes and I have seen
the same spotting to a lesser degree in other poly fiber cub yellow paint
jobs. Besides, the Air Tech looks like will be easier to apply.
I hope to get started covering the MK III this summer. Speaking of covering
MK III's what weight fabric are you folks using?
Later,
John Cooley
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
John,
Is that poly tone or areothane? So far I havent had the spots in the cub
yellow areothane.....knock on wood. Hows the mark3 coming along?
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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| Subject: | Winter flying (need skis) |
Anybody fly in the winter? Any stories or pictures to share?
In N. Idaho, the highs are still below freezing but I still have to get my flyin'
fix. It's harder in the winter, where before you fly you have to plow the
runways, taxiways, and your hangar area. But it's still fun and worthwhile.
For next winter I want to get some skis for my Firefly. Anybody have any recommendations
for what skis to get and where?
Thanks,
Jim
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N. Idaho
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
Well that's reassuring.
I have a 243 and a 270 that should do the trick.....
Thanks for the info a pics... helps me to feel better....
Mike
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cooley
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
12lbs each?????!!!!!!! That's more like a bobcat or mountain lion. All you
folks suggesting the varmit calibers can forget it. Kitties that big need a
7mm mag.
I did have a similar tear in the top of my Firestar wing. It wasn't from
cats, it was self induced. I had the plane folded and under the open end of
my shop when a summer thunderstorm came through. The tailwheel was on a
small 3 wheeled dolly and a wind gust caught the wings and pushed them into
a 4x4 support post. The result was ugly and made me sick. The repairs, per
the polyfiber manual, are not too noticeable. Will attach a pic or two.
Please do not archive
John Cooley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kolbdriver@mlsharp.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Yes, the wings are hanging in the garage about 7 feet off the ground. There
is the Son in Law's piano sitting underneath them. (another story) I
imagine that one or both of them tried to jump on the wing and slipped
causing the slashes.. The sweet kitties are about 12 lbs each... There are
other marks on the top side, which the photo doesn't show, that is definite
Feline sign...
Mike
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Petty <paulpetty@myway.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:55:23 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Mike,
Are you sure a cat did this damage? I cant imagine a cats claw ripping the
fabric like that. If so you must have some pretty mean cats sir!
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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| Subject: | Re: Winter flying (need skis) |
Have Ellery make you a pair of skies, if he doesn't already have some
done.
I've seen them,held them,loved them, strong & light.
Vic
912Extra
Me.
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| Subject: | Charles Brown - Kolb Firestar II builder - Tucson, AZ area |
Anybody know a Charles Brown of Tucson, AZ? He built my Kolb Firestar II in 1996/1997.
The telephone listed on the owners manual is no longer valid. I have a
couple of questions I wanted to see if he could answer about my aircraft. Thanks~!
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| Subject: | Tractor Kolb Firefly ? |
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| Subject: | Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? |
Well that sure messed with the old CG didn't it HAHAHAHAHA
Mark Vaughn
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| Subject: | Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? |
Well that sure messed with the old CG didn't it HAHAHAHAHA
Mark Vaughn
Yes....lol.....Where is the Gas tank you suppose ??
Stephen Baxley
Kolb Firefly
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